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(FOR MANGA READERS) Would you like a different end for the anime?
Jan 11, 2022 3:19 PM
#51
Xacobe01 said: LordSozin said: FenzlockLord said: LordSozin said: Xacobe01 said: LordSozin said: Xacobe01 said: LordSozin said: Xacobe01 said: Holo_or_Horo said: Best things to come from this ending: - ereh simp crying beach scene - birb allen + tree aaron - suicidal lainah becomes letter sniffer - meekasa becomes horse fucker I wouldn't mind if the ending changed while keeping these, though mostly they need to change them ever having a fight against the past generation titans, that was hot garbage. Thank you for exposing your points, you just showed us that you didn't understand what AoT's themes are, nor Eren's character development or his goals in the story. Now please, if you don't mind, get out and let people who did understand the story talk. I don't think Holo misunderstood anything. Now, would you stop being a proud horseshit ending defender? His wording implies the opposite. Ending makes sense thematically, is logical, and only has minor pacing problems, that can be solved in the anime. Now, would you please go back to titanfolk's lair? Your "insults" will be better regarded there. Yet, people can argue that the consistency in regarding with pre-established themes and characterization is not. Sure, on the surface it looks logical, but if you were to re-read the manga, it doesn't. I've yet to see an argument regarding past chapters that makes it not logical. Most of those that you say are panels taken out of context or random dialogue lines that get completely debunked if you read the whole page. I think anyone with a none denial brain would see through the obvious contradictions. Tip here, watch more anime and read more manga that has a consistent ending. wanna expose what u see as contradictions for us? (just wanna understand your POV) This is spoiler for the anime only. Be warned. I don't want the point of view of a YouTuber, they tend to be full of shit, since they only want to generate polarizing content that generates discussions so that they can please the algorithm. I can also send you a video of 1hr telling why Eren's character was not assassinated, people just forgot who he was. I want to see your points. Christ, this man might be the saltiest thing on earth, even more salty than umi da. Goddamn asshole acting all high and mighty and that only he truly understands the thematic of AoT with his redditor brain "Now please, if you don't mind, get out and let people who did understand the story talk." If a post answers the topic regardless of opinion there shouldn't be any problems with whether or not someone "understands the theme" in the first place. How about you get off the internet while this show is airing? Nobody wants some salty ending defender who can't see clear flaws in the ending and pretends to understand everything. Even past the flaws in the ending, there are a lot things people would clearly not be happy about which they are trying to express in this discussion along if they wanted to see a different ending or not, so you're in the wrong place kiddo. |
Jan 11, 2022 3:25 PM
#52
I imagine it's because he's directly relating it to the anime for "anime ending" and not "manga ending". The "for manga readers" could just be a spoiler warning |
Jan 11, 2022 3:27 PM
#53
maybe because more users are using the mobile app so there is no manga feed and the manga section is dead anyway |
Jan 11, 2022 3:33 PM
#54
Holo_or_Horo said: I imagine it's because he's directly relating it to the anime for "anime ending" and not "manga ending". The "for manga readers" could just be a spoiler warning that makes sense, actually. i would still prefer it in the manga forum, but its not wrong here either. |
Jan 11, 2022 4:08 PM
#55
Holo_or_Horo said: Xacobe01 said: LordSozin said: FenzlockLord said: LordSozin said: Xacobe01 said: LordSozin said: Xacobe01 said: LordSozin said: Xacobe01 said: Holo_or_Horo said: Best things to come from this ending: - ereh simp crying beach scene - birb allen + tree aaron - suicidal lainah becomes letter sniffer - meekasa becomes horse fucker I wouldn't mind if the ending changed while keeping these, though mostly they need to change them ever having a fight against the past generation titans, that was hot garbage. Thank you for exposing your points, you just showed us that you didn't understand what AoT's themes are, nor Eren's character development or his goals in the story. Now please, if you don't mind, get out and let people who did understand the story talk. I don't think Holo misunderstood anything. Now, would you stop being a proud horseshit ending defender? His wording implies the opposite. Ending makes sense thematically, is logical, and only has minor pacing problems, that can be solved in the anime. Now, would you please go back to titanfolk's lair? Your "insults" will be better regarded there. Yet, people can argue that the consistency in regarding with pre-established themes and characterization is not. Sure, on the surface it looks logical, but if you were to re-read the manga, it doesn't. I've yet to see an argument regarding past chapters that makes it not logical. Most of those that you say are panels taken out of context or random dialogue lines that get completely debunked if you read the whole page. I think anyone with a none denial brain would see through the obvious contradictions. Tip here, watch more anime and read more manga that has a consistent ending. wanna expose what u see as contradictions for us? (just wanna understand your POV) This is spoiler for the anime only. Be warned. I don't want the point of view of a YouTuber, they tend to be full of shit, since they only want to generate polarizing content that generates discussions so that they can please the algorithm. I can also send you a video of 1hr telling why Eren's character was not assassinated, people just forgot who he was. I want to see your points. Christ, this man might be the saltiest thing on earth, even more salty than umi da. Goddamn asshole acting all high and mighty and that only he truly understands the thematic of AoT with his redditor brain "Now please, if you don't mind, get out and let people who did understand the story talk." If a post answers the topic regardless of opinion there shouldn't be any problems with whether or not someone "understands the theme" in the first place. How about you get off the internet while this show is airing? Nobody wants some salty ending defender who can't see clear flaws in the ending and pretends to understand everything. Even past the flaws in the ending, there are a lot things people would clearly not be happy about which they are trying to express in this discussion along if they wanted to see a different ending or not, so you're in the wrong place kiddo. I've yet to see those flaws. Nobody has presented them. I already mentioned, the problems with the ending rely more on pacing and dialogue options (due to pacing), I'm not saying that it's perfect, nor that I have a bigger brain than theirs, I just want to know the reason why they aren't happy with the ending, why it's shit, why editor Kun is a cuck. I'm not a defender, I am just tired of people spamming the same nonsense over and over again without thinking a bit for themselves. Give me one good reason why it doesn't make sense and I'll shut up. If you don't, theb you're should go to the titanfolk lair, you'll be welcomed there |
Xacobe01Jan 11, 2022 4:12 PM
Jan 11, 2022 5:04 PM
#56
better execution and choice of words, remove the low-key comedy moments since things revolve around genocide, it's uncalled for and out of place, no need to make Eren breaking down like that just to show he still can feel compassion and loves Mikasa as well, the execution could be better, it was juvenile When Eren said he would've continued the Rumbling if Armin and gang didn't stop him then Armin asked "why?" he said "i wanted to do that... i had to...", this is a very selfish and childish motivation from Eren, again we're talking about billions died by his hand. no need to reveal Paradis getting destroyed, yes it may not be the fault of the characters that we know but still one of the main goals of the rumbling was to protect Paradis, maybe revealing that there's a high political tension and struggle between 2 highly influential factions (centuries later) but not war within Paradis also without it getting destroyed would still deliver the same message "the cycle of conflict will always exist, peace is temporary" at least that's how i interpreted the 8 extra pages |
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Jan 11, 2022 5:29 PM
#57
Anyone voting for the third option is capping hard. The ending ain’t good as is. I personally have many problems with chapters that are outside of the infamous 3 (137, 138, 139) but still within the Rumbling arc, yet there’s a few things that they could change or flesh out more towards the end that would make the current manga ending a little better in the anime. - Show what happens to hallu-chan, don’t get rid of it off-screen with no explanation. - Do not even adapt or refer to the moment where Eren revealed to Armin that he controlled Dina to avoid Bertoto and kill Carla. It’s probably the worst thing Isayama wrote in 139 chapters. Especially with how Armin and Eren move past this piece of information like it’s not some nonsensical bombshell that ruins many previous moments. - Flesh out Ymir’s Stockholm syndrome, don’t gloss over it with a few lines of dialogue that includes “only Ymir knows”. - I’m fine with adapting the aftermath, as long as Reiner sniffing Historia’s letter is never shown. - How about showing a kiss or a romantic conclusion between Annie and Armin which is shoved in our face throughout the Rumbling yet they never get a single scene where they show affection towards each other outside of kindergarten blushing. Bonus that I personally wish for but know won’t happen: leave every eldian that transformed into titans in titan form or kill them instead of reverting them back a couple of minutes later. This moment will be absolutely horrible if adapted into a movie. |
Jan 11, 2022 5:45 PM
#58
We are getting the 2nd option, anyone hoping for anything else will be disappointed. |
Jan 11, 2022 6:30 PM
#59
Xacobe01 said: Holo_or_Horo said: Xacobe01 said: LordSozin said: FenzlockLord said: LordSozin said: Xacobe01 said: LordSozin said: Xacobe01 said: LordSozin said: Xacobe01 said: Holo_or_Horo said: Best things to come from this ending: - ereh simp crying beach scene - birb allen + tree aaron - suicidal lainah becomes letter sniffer - meekasa becomes horse fucker I wouldn't mind if the ending changed while keeping these, though mostly they need to change them ever having a fight against the past generation titans, that was hot garbage. Thank you for exposing your points, you just showed us that you didn't understand what AoT's themes are, nor Eren's character development or his goals in the story. Now please, if you don't mind, get out and let people who did understand the story talk. I don't think Holo misunderstood anything. Now, would you stop being a proud horseshit ending defender? His wording implies the opposite. Ending makes sense thematically, is logical, and only has minor pacing problems, that can be solved in the anime. Now, would you please go back to titanfolk's lair? Your "insults" will be better regarded there. Yet, people can argue that the consistency in regarding with pre-established themes and characterization is not. Sure, on the surface it looks logical, but if you were to re-read the manga, it doesn't. I've yet to see an argument regarding past chapters that makes it not logical. Most of those that you say are panels taken out of context or random dialogue lines that get completely debunked if you read the whole page. I think anyone with a none denial brain would see through the obvious contradictions. Tip here, watch more anime and read more manga that has a consistent ending. wanna expose what u see as contradictions for us? (just wanna understand your POV) This is spoiler for the anime only. Be warned. I don't want the point of view of a YouTuber, they tend to be full of shit, since they only want to generate polarizing content that generates discussions so that they can please the algorithm. I can also send you a video of 1hr telling why Eren's character was not assassinated, people just forgot who he was. I want to see your points. Christ, this man might be the saltiest thing on earth, even more salty than umi da. Goddamn asshole acting all high and mighty and that only he truly understands the thematic of AoT with his redditor brain "Now please, if you don't mind, get out and let people who did understand the story talk." If a post answers the topic regardless of opinion there shouldn't be any problems with whether or not someone "understands the theme" in the first place. How about you get off the internet while this show is airing? Nobody wants some salty ending defender who can't see clear flaws in the ending and pretends to understand everything. Even past the flaws in the ending, there are a lot things people would clearly not be happy about which they are trying to express in this discussion along if they wanted to see a different ending or not, so you're in the wrong place kiddo. I've yet to see those flaws. Nobody has presented them. I already mentioned, the problems with the ending rely more on pacing and dialogue options (due to pacing), I'm not saying that it's perfect, nor that I have a bigger brain than theirs, I just want to know the reason why they aren't happy with the ending, why it's shit, why editor Kun is a cuck. I'm not a defender, I am just tired of people spamming the same nonsense over and over again without thinking a bit for themselves. Give me one good reason why it doesn't make sense and I'll shut up. If you don't, theb you're should go to the titanfolk lair, you'll be welcomed there I'm sure you've read plenty of flaws people have countlessly pointed out in forums along with why they hated it, you've just decided discard them. You say you're not defending it as you are actively defending it, what are you on about? I could give you a lot of flaws aside from the ending: That final fight against the past generation titans was pretty horribly written with a ton of deus ex machina moments, eren's friends should've died countless times over realistically in the situations they were put in, it was honestly hard to follow considering how isayama had no issues killing off so many characters throughout the entire series, but that entire fight was written like a generic shounen. The reasoning behind why falco can turn into a bird is a horrible ass pull/flaw, used just so they can get out of any situation easily. Using that same logic, reiner had zeke's spinal fluid in him when historia sterilised his wound with the wine, why can't he turn into a bird? Why did everyone turn into a titan at the end just to turn back to normal magically a panel after? That entire worm scene had no reason to exist where it just turned everyone into a titan until it was mikasa who killed eren. Why could eren turn into a colossal titan at the ending just to have a fist fight with armin? That scene didn't need to exist and there wasn't any explanation for why it happened, at the time he should not have had access to the founder titan powers when he wasn't connected to monke or that worm. This entire series always had some sort of reasoning or explanation for all the crazy reveals that came out, but every point and twist here at the end was just made for a shock or suspense factor, with no other reasoning. I would call all these pretty big flaws, I guess you would call them AoT's theme of "the power of friendship" or "the power of eren's character development". |
Jan 11, 2022 6:36 PM
#60
My understanding of Armin's infamous quote is that he did tell that to make Eren feel better about himself before he died. That's what true friends do. |
CruicruiseJan 11, 2022 6:40 PM
Jan 11, 2022 9:42 PM
#61
Cruicruise said: My understanding of Armin's infamous quote is that he did tell that to make Eren feel better about himself before he died. That's what true friends do. that's a spoiler, actually |
Jan 11, 2022 10:18 PM
#63
Complete genocide ANR ending or bust, it's the only ending that makes any sense. The manga ending was completely irredeemable garbage. The only thing that will be shittier than the manga ending is the water in Isayama's Onsen if AOE doesn't happen. |
Jan 12, 2022 2:45 AM
#64
Holo_or_Horo said: Xacobe01 said: Holo_or_Horo said: Xacobe01 said: LordSozin said: FenzlockLord said: LordSozin said: Xacobe01 said: LordSozin said: Xacobe01 said: LordSozin said: Xacobe01 said: Holo_or_Horo said: Best things to come from this ending: - ereh simp crying beach scene - birb allen + tree aaron - suicidal lainah becomes letter sniffer - meekasa becomes horse fucker I wouldn't mind if the ending changed while keeping these, though mostly they need to change them ever having a fight against the past generation titans, that was hot garbage. Thank you for exposing your points, you just showed us that you didn't understand what AoT's themes are, nor Eren's character development or his goals in the story. Now please, if you don't mind, get out and let people who did understand the story talk. I don't think Holo misunderstood anything. Now, would you stop being a proud horseshit ending defender? His wording implies the opposite. Ending makes sense thematically, is logical, and only has minor pacing problems, that can be solved in the anime. Now, would you please go back to titanfolk's lair? Your "insults" will be better regarded there. Yet, people can argue that the consistency in regarding with pre-established themes and characterization is not. Sure, on the surface it looks logical, but if you were to re-read the manga, it doesn't. I've yet to see an argument regarding past chapters that makes it not logical. Most of those that you say are panels taken out of context or random dialogue lines that get completely debunked if you read the whole page. I think anyone with a none denial brain would see through the obvious contradictions. Tip here, watch more anime and read more manga that has a consistent ending. wanna expose what u see as contradictions for us? (just wanna understand your POV) This is spoiler for the anime only. Be warned. I don't want the point of view of a YouTuber, they tend to be full of shit, since they only want to generate polarizing content that generates discussions so that they can please the algorithm. I can also send you a video of 1hr telling why Eren's character was not assassinated, people just forgot who he was. I want to see your points. Christ, this man might be the saltiest thing on earth, even more salty than umi da. Goddamn asshole acting all high and mighty and that only he truly understands the thematic of AoT with his redditor brain "Now please, if you don't mind, get out and let people who did understand the story talk." If a post answers the topic regardless of opinion there shouldn't be any problems with whether or not someone "understands the theme" in the first place. How about you get off the internet while this show is airing? Nobody wants some salty ending defender who can't see clear flaws in the ending and pretends to understand everything. Even past the flaws in the ending, there are a lot things people would clearly not be happy about which they are trying to express in this discussion along if they wanted to see a different ending or not, so you're in the wrong place kiddo. I've yet to see those flaws. Nobody has presented them. I already mentioned, the problems with the ending rely more on pacing and dialogue options (due to pacing), I'm not saying that it's perfect, nor that I have a bigger brain than theirs, I just want to know the reason why they aren't happy with the ending, why it's shit, why editor Kun is a cuck. I'm not a defender, I am just tired of people spamming the same nonsense over and over again without thinking a bit for themselves. Give me one good reason why it doesn't make sense and I'll shut up. If you don't, theb you're should go to the titanfolk lair, you'll be welcomed there I'm sure you've read plenty of flaws people have countlessly pointed out in forums along with why they hated it, you've just decided discard them. You say you're not defending it as you are actively defending it, what are you on about? I could give you a lot of flaws aside from the ending: That final fight against the past generation titans was pretty horribly written with a ton of deus ex machina moments, eren's friends should've died countless times over realistically in the situations they were put in, it was honestly hard to follow considering how isayama had no issues killing off so many characters throughout the entire series, but that entire fight was written like a generic shounen. The reasoning behind why falco can turn into a bird is a horrible ass pull/flaw, used just so they can get out of any situation easily. Using that same logic, reiner had zeke's spinal fluid in him when historia sterilised his wound with the wine, why can't he turn into a bird? Why did everyone turn into a titan at the end just to turn back to normal magically a panel after? That entire worm scene had no reason to exist where it just turned everyone into a titan until it was mikasa who killed eren. Why could eren turn into a colossal titan at the ending just to have a fist fight with armin? That scene didn't need to exist and there wasn't any explanation for why it happened, at the time he should not have had access to the founder titan powers when he wasn't connected to monke or that worm. This entire series always had some sort of reasoning or explanation for all the crazy reveals that came out, but every point and twist here at the end was just made for a shock or suspense factor, with no other reasoning. I would call all these pretty big flaws, I guess you would call them AoT's theme of "the power of friendship" or "the power of eren's character development". Okay, let's adress this in parts: 1- Okay, reasonable criticism with the deux ex-machinas from the rumbling fights, but AoT has always had deus ex-machinas. The fucking Ackerman's are the definition of a deus ex, that can do it all by themselves because paths. 2- You don't seem to realize that Reiner is already a titan shifter, so he can't turn into a mindless titan since he already is a titan. That's why he couldn't turn into a bird, he already has the armored titan with him. Regarding falco, that's his form of the jaws titan, just more developed. 3-Because when Eren was killed by Mikasa, Ymir decided to lift the curse, since she realised that love and duty are completly compatible, and sometimes goe against one another. It seems like you didn't pay attention to chapter 139 did you? 4-Because in that way he could exchange blows directly with armin, and prepare the situation so that mikasa could kill him in front of Ymir, so that she could realise what I already told you in point 3. 5- Shock or suspense factor, sure, if you don't look into it and just wanted to see genocidal god AnR Eren go back to kill farmer-kun and fuck Historia to repoblate humanity, yeah, it's just shock factor. However, if you pay just a bit of attention... exactly, it makes complete sense. 6- AoT was always about the fight between freedom and destiny, and in the later chapters about humanity and power, which is what eren represents as a character, since he always believed himself to be free, when he was just the final string of Ymir's plan, and had all his life already planned out since birth, and him being concious about it since he kissed Historia. But sure, power of friendship, that's what you get from it. I encourage you to read again the manga, with less hate, and see that everything makes sense if you aren't blinded by rage. |
Jan 12, 2022 5:13 AM
#65
Cruicruise said: My understanding of Armin's infamous quote is that he did tell that to make Eren feel better about himself before he died. That's what true friends do. Of course. He even calls it an "error" but people like to cherry pick dialogues to hate. |
Jan 12, 2022 5:32 AM
#66
I definitely needs to be better paced and has to be more extended , like the conversation between eren and Armin was really short they have to add dialogues and extra scenes so it will have a better impact . Other that that these it was the best and most logical ending imo |
Jan 12, 2022 5:37 AM
#67
vdm35 said: lol I think you're damn right, first time I read it I really got confused, and I think it's because of the rushed 137-139, but when I looked at it a second and third time everything that I thought were plot holes or messy started to sound logical and right. Many ppl don't even give it a chance because it wasn't the ending they wantedThe end of the manga gets better with age like wine. When I look back, the finale in my mind is getting better and better day by day. Does this only happen to me? |
Jan 12, 2022 1:15 PM
#68
Honestly, the ending wasn’t that bad. I think that it can very easily be improved into something that will be cherished by the fandom. |
Jan 12, 2022 7:59 PM
#69
Nah that ending was terrible. I would rather something completely different. |
Even If We Painstakingly Piece Together Something Lost, It Doesn't Mean Things Will Ever go Back To How They Were - Guts |
Jan 12, 2022 8:08 PM
#70
Xacobe01 said: Holo_or_Horo said: Xacobe01 said: LordSozin said: FenzlockLord said: LordSozin said: Xacobe01 said: LordSozin said: Xacobe01 said: LordSozin said: Xacobe01 said: Holo_or_Horo said: Best things to come from this ending: - ereh simp crying beach scene - birb allen + tree aaron - suicidal lainah becomes letter sniffer - meekasa becomes horse fucker I wouldn't mind if the ending changed while keeping these, though mostly they need to change them ever having a fight against the past generation titans, that was hot garbage. Thank you for exposing your points, you just showed us that you didn't understand what AoT's themes are, nor Eren's character development or his goals in the story. Now please, if you don't mind, get out and let people who did understand the story talk. I don't think Holo misunderstood anything. Now, would you stop being a proud horseshit ending defender? His wording implies the opposite. Ending makes sense thematically, is logical, and only has minor pacing problems, that can be solved in the anime. Now, would you please go back to titanfolk's lair? Your "insults" will be better regarded there. Yet, people can argue that the consistency in regarding with pre-established themes and characterization is not. Sure, on the surface it looks logical, but if you were to re-read the manga, it doesn't. I've yet to see an argument regarding past chapters that makes it not logical. Most of those that you say are panels taken out of context or random dialogue lines that get completely debunked if you read the whole page. I think anyone with a none denial brain would see through the obvious contradictions. Tip here, watch more anime and read more manga that has a consistent ending. wanna expose what u see as contradictions for us? (just wanna understand your POV) This is spoiler for the anime only. Be warned. I don't want the point of view of a YouTuber, they tend to be full of shit, since they only want to generate polarizing content that generates discussions so that they can please the algorithm. I can also send you a video of 1hr telling why Eren's character was not assassinated, people just forgot who he was. I want to see your points. Christ, this man might be the saltiest thing on earth, even more salty than umi da. Goddamn asshole acting all high and mighty and that only he truly understands the thematic of AoT with his redditor brain "Now please, if you don't mind, get out and let people who did understand the story talk." If a post answers the topic regardless of opinion there shouldn't be any problems with whether or not someone "understands the theme" in the first place. How about you get off the internet while this show is airing? Nobody wants some salty ending defender who can't see clear flaws in the ending and pretends to understand everything. Even past the flaws in the ending, there are a lot things people would clearly not be happy about which they are trying to express in this discussion along if they wanted to see a different ending or not, so you're in the wrong place kiddo. I've yet to see those flaws. Nobody has presented them. I already mentioned, the problems with the ending rely more on pacing and dialogue options (due to pacing), I'm not saying that it's perfect, nor that I have a bigger brain than theirs, I just want to know the reason why they aren't happy with the ending, why it's shit, why editor Kun is a cuck. I'm not a defender, I am just tired of people spamming the same nonsense over and over again without thinking a bit for themselves. Give me one good reason why it doesn't make sense and I'll shut up. If you don't, theb you're should go to the titanfolk lair, you'll be welcomed there Let me give some of the flaws that have made ending not good for me and made me drop the rating of my favorite story from 10 to 8, lets see what counters you have. 1. Eren said to Zeke in Paths that you still have not seen the part where he ate his dad and the way it sounded strongly suggested that it is going to be something important but this was never touched again. 2. Entire battle with Past shifters was completely meaningless and I would even say fake battle with zero stakes. 3. Whats the point of titanizing people and then detitanizing them all in the next chapter. It would have been way better and sensible if all those turned into titans would have vaporized just like all titans do when killed. 4. Armin Annie love story came out extremely suddenly and then without ever touched again. However, this is much less important point. 5. Eren simping for Mikasa in the end came out of no where. Nowhere in the entire Manga we saw Eren actually displaying even the slightest hint of having romantic feelings towards Mikasa. 6. Whole Ymir in love with King Fritz this entire time also came out of no where and didn't get fleshed out even a bit. What's more bad is Eren was turned into a puppet of Ymir's unrequited love story. 7. I was very fine with the Idea that this entire time Eren was not free and being a slave of the future he saw, being a slave of predestined future that can't be changed at all but being a puppet to Ymir's game not only felt cheap but there was no hint for such thing. 8. In chapter 121 where he forced Grisha to kill Royal Family ultimately doing what has already happened in the past completely hinted that Eren can't change anything and is simply doing what is already fated to happen. Actually it would have made a lot more sense if both Eren and Ymir were bound by predestined future and couldn't do a thing to change it, it would have made sense that why in these 2000 years of history Ymir didn't do anything to defy the royal family, because she would have seen the future and how things ultimately resolves out. And in the fixed timeline of AOT world where future is destined to happen and there is nothing that Ymir does could change it, all she could do is wait and see things playing out the way she saw in future and wait for Eren Yeager to come and free her. The way she cried when Eren said her that she is a normal human being and she has a choice, it completely hinted that she was actually waiting for someone(Eren Yeager) to come and free her, she was waiting for 2000 years for this specific moment. All her frustration of being not able to anything so far got reflected in her face at that moment. What was this moment for? What did Eren actually do if it was actually Ymir that was controlling Eren's fate and ultimately trying to create a situation where Mikasa is forced into choosing whether to kill Eren or not? What was the point of her Cry? And how did it took Eren to just say this to Ymir that You get to decide what to do to convince her? Couldn't she have tried defying even once in last 2000 years, just like she did when she freed the pigs?Didn't she love King Fritz when she was freeing pigs and if so why she defied him that time? It only made sense when future was fixed and nothing could have been changed and all she could do was to wait for this particular moment. 8. How could killing Zeke lead to stopping of Rumbling when royal blood has been rendered obsolete after chapter 122. 9.Falco's flying titan execution done at very convenient timing making it completely seem like an ass pull even though it is still explainable. 10. What happened to Hallucegenia? Killed Off screen or Survived? 11. What happened to Ymir? Did she just disappear? At least she could have been given an ending. 12. The hallucegenia is supposed to be the original being responsible for the titan powers to appear.Before coming into contact with it even Ymir was a normal human, Right? Then how does gas emitted by Hallucegenia just turned Eldians into titans and not every other human being there including Marleyans? 13. How was Eren able to erase Mikasa's memories when she is an Ackerman? 14. Entire focus on Historia's pregnancy at the key moment was just red herring in the end. 15. Historia completely ignored in the last part. 16. How did the mindless shifter titans of the past who were attacking the alliance trying to kill them suddenly started helping them just after Armin Zeke conversation? Was it because of Zeke being royal blood? If so, then that still means Royal blood significance was never lost. 17. And one plot hole that chapter 122 opened I thought would get explain till the end never got explained. How are all Subjects of Ymir not of Royal blood if the entire lineage was started by 3 daughters of Ymir and all Eldians who can turn into titans are ultimately offspring of these 3 only. Ymir's obsession was with king Fritz and all 3 daughters were his real daughters with Ymir so eventually any offspring they bear would ultimately carry king fritz lineage only making all of the subjects of Ymir of royal blood. And to make it clear I am not even an ANR supporter. I always thought that alliance formation was a natural outcome of Eren's rumbling the entire world decision. I was always of the opinion that Eren should have been stopped before completing the entire rumbling. However the manner in which he got defeated was just half assed and completely inconceivable. |
zerotitanJan 12, 2022 8:13 PM
Jan 12, 2022 11:06 PM
#71
I am tired out of mind discussing the ending for months. So at this point I'll just go with anything. But still I'll choose the 2nd option here. |
Jan 12, 2022 11:59 PM
#72
Holo_or_Horo said: Xacobe01 said: Holo_or_Horo said: Xacobe01 said: Holo_or_Horo said: Xacobe01 said: LordSozin said: FenzlockLord said: LordSozin said: Xacobe01 said: LordSozin said: Xacobe01 said: LordSozin said: Xacobe01 said: Holo_or_Horo said: Best things to come from this ending: - ereh simp crying beach scene - birb allen + tree aaron - suicidal lainah becomes letter sniffer - meekasa becomes horse fucker I wouldn't mind if the ending changed while keeping these, though mostly they need to change them ever having a fight against the past generation titans, that was hot garbage. Thank you for exposing your points, you just showed us that you didn't understand what AoT's themes are, nor Eren's character development or his goals in the story. Now please, if you don't mind, get out and let people who did understand the story talk. I don't think Holo misunderstood anything. Now, would you stop being a proud horseshit ending defender? His wording implies the opposite. Ending makes sense thematically, is logical, and only has minor pacing problems, that can be solved in the anime. Now, would you please go back to titanfolk's lair? Your "insults" will be better regarded there. Yet, people can argue that the consistency in regarding with pre-established themes and characterization is not. Sure, on the surface it looks logical, but if you were to re-read the manga, it doesn't. I've yet to see an argument regarding past chapters that makes it not logical. Most of those that you say are panels taken out of context or random dialogue lines that get completely debunked if you read the whole page. I think anyone with a none denial brain would see through the obvious contradictions. Tip here, watch more anime and read more manga that has a consistent ending. wanna expose what u see as contradictions for us? (just wanna understand your POV) This is spoiler for the anime only. Be warned. I don't want the point of view of a YouTuber, they tend to be full of shit, since they only want to generate polarizing content that generates discussions so that they can please the algorithm. I can also send you a video of 1hr telling why Eren's character was not assassinated, people just forgot who he was. I want to see your points. Christ, this man might be the saltiest thing on earth, even more salty than umi da. Goddamn asshole acting all high and mighty and that only he truly understands the thematic of AoT with his redditor brain "Now please, if you don't mind, get out and let people who did understand the story talk." If a post answers the topic regardless of opinion there shouldn't be any problems with whether or not someone "understands the theme" in the first place. How about you get off the internet while this show is airing? Nobody wants some salty ending defender who can't see clear flaws in the ending and pretends to understand everything. Even past the flaws in the ending, there are a lot things people would clearly not be happy about which they are trying to express in this discussion along if they wanted to see a different ending or not, so you're in the wrong place kiddo. I've yet to see those flaws. Nobody has presented them. I already mentioned, the problems with the ending rely more on pacing and dialogue options (due to pacing), I'm not saying that it's perfect, nor that I have a bigger brain than theirs, I just want to know the reason why they aren't happy with the ending, why it's shit, why editor Kun is a cuck. I'm not a defender, I am just tired of people spamming the same nonsense over and over again without thinking a bit for themselves. Give me one good reason why it doesn't make sense and I'll shut up. If you don't, theb you're should go to the titanfolk lair, you'll be welcomed there I'm sure you've read plenty of flaws people have countlessly pointed out in forums along with why they hated it, you've just decided discard them. You say you're not defending it as you are actively defending it, what are you on about? I could give you a lot of flaws aside from the ending: That final fight against the past generation titans was pretty horribly written with a ton of deus ex machina moments, eren's friends should've died countless times over realistically in the situations they were put in, it was honestly hard to follow considering how isayama had no issues killing off so many characters throughout the entire series, but that entire fight was written like a generic shounen. The reasoning behind why falco can turn into a bird is a horrible ass pull/flaw, used just so they can get out of any situation easily. Using that same logic, reiner had zeke's spinal fluid in him when historia sterilised his wound with the wine, why can't he turn into a bird? Why did everyone turn into a titan at the end just to turn back to normal magically a panel after? That entire worm scene had no reason to exist where it just turned everyone into a titan until it was mikasa who killed eren. Why could eren turn into a colossal titan at the ending just to have a fist fight with armin? That scene didn't need to exist and there wasn't any explanation for why it happened, at the time he should not have had access to the founder titan powers when he wasn't connected to monke or that worm. This entire series always had some sort of reasoning or explanation for all the crazy reveals that came out, but every point and twist here at the end was just made for a shock or suspense factor, with no other reasoning. I would call all these pretty big flaws, I guess you would call them AoT's theme of "the power of friendship" or "the power of eren's character development". Okay, let's adress this in parts: 1- Okay, reasonable criticism with the deux ex-machinas from the rumbling fights, but AoT has always had deus ex-machinas. The fucking Ackerman's are the definition of a deus ex, that can do it all by themselves because paths. 2- You don't seem to realize that Reiner is already a titan shifter, so he can't turn into a mindless titan since he already is a titan. That's why he couldn't turn into a bird, he already has the armored titan with him. Regarding falco, that's his form of the jaws titan, just more developed. 3-Because when Eren was killed by Mikasa, Ymir decided to lift the curse, since she realised that love and duty are completly compatible, and sometimes goe against one another. It seems like you didn't pay attention to chapter 139 did you? 4-Because in that way he could exchange blows directly with armin, and prepare the situation so that mikasa could kill him in front of Ymir, so that she could realise what I already told you in point 3. 5- Shock or suspense factor, sure, if you don't look into it and just wanted to see genocidal god AnR Eren go back to kill farmer-kun and fuck Historia to repoblate humanity, yeah, it's just shock factor. However, if you pay just a bit of attention... exactly, it makes complete sense. 6- AoT was always about the fight between freedom and destiny, and in the later chapters about humanity and power, which is what eren represents as a character, since he always believed himself to be free, when he was just the final string of Ymir's plan, and had all his life already planned out since birth, and him being concious about it since he kissed Historia. But sure, power of friendship, that's what you get from it. I encourage you to read again the manga, with less hate, and see that everything makes sense if you aren't blinded by rage. I've read the ending more than once, I only questioned all these flaws mentioned the 2nd readthrough. I never implied I was angry or hated the ending at all so it's not like I read it with extreme bias or a skewed opinion that I missed all the points and misunderstood parts of the ending, it was just heavily flawed and badly executed. I read it very neutrally and accepted whatever shit isayama was going to write, since I always thought the series was good at being unpredictable, throwing in crazy reveals and twists which only made sense after. Can't say I'm invested enough in this series to try argue with you anymore, when you just disregarded most of the flaws I pointed out, with the claim to "read it again" because I was "blinded by rage". I ain't reading that shit again, why don't you just explain what it meant. Though I would like for you to try and explain the points the post above me mentioned, this guy doesn't seem to be "blinded by rage". I personally don't want to argue more either. We both have arguments and our view on the ending, and rightfully disagree, I also don't have energy for more arguing. Anyways, I can agree that dialogue was cheesy and pacing was rushed AF, buf imo the ending made sense thematically, and despite not being completely able to see it coming this way, it's true that it's in line with Eren's character if you start looking backwards. |
Jan 13, 2022 1:21 AM
#73
VERY IMPORTANT! do you people, who want a different ending know, that there is a chapter 139? mikasa kissing eren on the final page is NOT the ending. fsr chapter 139 is no in the official manga, but the extension is by the main writer as far as i know |
Jan 13, 2022 1:23 AM
#74
LeonYeager said: vdm35 said: lol I think you're damn right, first time I read it I really got confused, and I think it's because of the rushed 137-139, but when I looked at it a second and third time everything that I thought were plot holes or messy started to sound logical and right. Many ppl don't even give it a chance because it wasn't the ending they wantedThe end of the manga gets better with age like wine. When I look back, the finale in my mind is getting better and better day by day. Does this only happen to me? thats just what i thought, the ending doesnt feel rushed at all, it actually really makes sense |
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