| I know this is suppose to be serious, but seeing the words “realistic isekai” just is so goofy lmao. |
| I guess, although still nothing as realistic as Grimgar and a child with the mind of 34 years old is one of the most unrealistic things ever. |
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DontCare69 said: Almost nothing about MT universe is realistic or similar to real medieval europe, is really that hard to the hive mind fanboys understand that the author just thought and wrote however he wanted. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1891771 Rinrinka said: I guess, although still nothing as realistic as Grimgar and a child with the mind of 34 years old is one of the most unrealistic things ever. What makes Grimgar so realistic? I might check out the Light Novels in the near future. |
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Winden said: Rinrinka said: I guess, although still nothing as realistic as Grimgar and a child with the mind of 34 years old is one of the most unrealistic things ever. What makes Grimgar so realistic? I might check out the Light Novels in the near future. Grimgar is like people from our world got thrown into fantasy world and only given basic fantasy skills to fight off monsters, and even tho they have fantasy skills they have trouble implementing it in real fight ,they all so struggling ganging up against just a single little goblin since they are just regular teenagers in modern world without any combat training in their world. The anime/LN shows the difficulty on surviving in fantasy world as realistic as possible, totally opposite of isekai anime with cheat or overpowered MC. Hope my explanation is clear enough :) |
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Rinrinka said: Winden said: What makes Grimgar so realistic? I might check out the Light Novels in the near future. Grimgar is like people from our world got thrown into fantasy world and only given basic fantasy skills to fight off monsters, and even tho they have fantasy skills they have trouble implementing it in real fight ,they all so struggling ganging up against just a single little goblin since they are just regular teenagers in modern world without any combat training in their world. The anime/LN shows the difficulty on surviving in fantasy world as realistic as possible, totally opposite of isekai anime with cheat or overpowered MC. Hope my explanation is clear enough :) Thank you! I read some reviews on the series and I heard that the quality of the series drastically drop off after a while. How true is this? At what point in the LN does it get really bad? |
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Winden said: Rinrinka said: Grimgar is like people from our world got thrown into fantasy world and only given basic fantasy skills to fight off monsters, and even tho they have fantasy skills they have trouble implementing it in real fight ,they all so struggling ganging up against just a single little goblin since they are just regular teenagers in modern world without any combat training in their world. The anime/LN shows the difficulty on surviving in fantasy world as realistic as possible, totally opposite of isekai anime with cheat or overpowered MC. Hope my explanation is clear enough :) Thank you! I read some reviews on the series and I heard that the quality of the series drastically drop off after a while. How true is this? At what point in the LN does it get really bad? I dont read LN so I dont know, sorry :) I think its better to just watch the anime since I dont see anything bad or something drastically story-quality drop in the anime version at least. |
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Rinrinka said: Winden said: What makes Grimgar so realistic? I might check out the Light Novels in the near future. Grimgar is like people from our world got thrown into fantasy world and only given basic fantasy skills to fight off monsters, and even tho they have fantasy skills they have trouble implementing it in real fight ,they all so struggling ganging up against just a single little goblin since they are just regular teenagers in modern world without any combat training in their world. The anime/LN shows the difficulty on surviving in fantasy world as realistic as possible, totally opposite of isekai anime with cheat or overpowered MC. Hope my explanation is clear enough :) This topic is pointless, because you can't compare those shows in a way of which is most or least "realistic". Grimgar is very different of MT as Isekai: Grimgar: - Summoned MCs - Brainwash, erased memories (a dick move from that show btw) - MMORPG and plot centered on Guild/Parties Mushoku: - Reincarnated MC - Total preserved mind, memories. - Long slice of Life and Family If the question was more objective: "Which Isekai has the most average powerless human as MC?" I would say Konosuba lol! Kazuma-san, the most realistic MC hahaha |
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Winden said: Unlike most Isekai where the main character is just summoned to the new world immediately with an auto-translator intact conveniently, this Isekai takes a different approach The main character, Rudeus, is reincarnated completely, so he has to learn how to read and write from scratch. It was smart of Rudeus to deduce that most people in the world were illiterate based on the lack of books in his household, which is factual in the medieval times. Him knowing how to read and write at such a young age gave him a massive competitive advantage over his peers, and thus he was able to secure a job tutoring for a wealthy noble. I enjoy the monologues that Rudeus give from time to time. For example, it was insightful to learn that he learn at such a fast paced because of his wisdom from his past life and his child mind. Another aspect I really like was the racial aspect. I don't remember any Isekai that does this, but Rudeus commented that his parents were of European descent. Which is a nice tidbit because in many Isekai, we just assume the characters are Japanese in a medieval setting. The author put in great efforts to create the fantasy world of MT similar to European medieval times. The only other Isekai that I have read that rivals MT in worldbuilding are Ascendance of a Bookworm and How a realist hero rebuilt a kingdom. Actually, I think those two Isekai might be a bit more detailed, but in terms of presentation, MT takes the cake with superior animation and soundtrack. I am still currently reading those two series, but they are also really good at worldbuilding. Based on reading the Light Novel and watching the first couple episodes of the anime, would you say that MT is one of the most realistic Isekai series out currently? OP, you are missing the point. As i said, you can't compare so different shows in this subjective way. Do an objective question. There is one thing about Mushoku Tensei in which this series is peculiar, compared to others: - The "Isekai" itself, the consequences of have a previous life in our world, and a new life in the fantasy, always is in the center of the plot. Starting by the "mind" of the old Rudeus, which is just there to remember, to compare, to "watch" the new Rudeus by a POV of a man from our "real" world. All the time. In other Isekais,ironically the Isekai element is just a escuse for whatever trope is in the center of the plot: - Overpower tropes and gags? - Harem gags? - Psychological exploitation? (Re:Zero) - Plot of revenge or overturn? (Shield, Arifureta) - All this togheter? And in all these kind of shows, you can do a simple test: Just erase the isekai element (now the MC is another person raised in that world) and see if something changes. It DON'T. But in Mushoku Tensei you can't do that without to "kill" Sugita-san voice, lol. |
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| Grimgar is not realistic. It's just a grimdark suffer porn in anime world. Don't confuse exposition and cruelty with realism. Re:Zero is pretty much in the same ballpark. Mushoku Tensei is not realistic either. However, it has a very good balance between satisfying plot and grounded, believable character development that is very rare in its genre. |
| what is realistic about Rudeus starting life with his old mind already fully working since he was born in new world?? and then quickly learn the new language because he's boosted with his old adult mind? lol! |
Winden said: So because he is an adult, you are saying he automatically should be able to speak in a completely different language in the new world? i think its not a completely different world and they don't speak a different language. some names like Betelgeuse is from our world so its possible the world have a connection to our world, and i haven't read the novel but my prediction is Subaru just teleported in time and didn't get isekaied and the language is still the same which is japanese, but it annoy me why he didn't thought about that, but again he is pretty stupid and he was exited that he "got isekaied" |
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| i would say its one of the most realistic but the most realistic out of there is Grimger imo |
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| well even the main character personality look realistic with his action and thoughts unlike other isekai with a fake boring personality |
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yoru-ke said: 1) What you said about how it doesn’t follow the rules of the world it is in is false and 2) People don’t call re zero realistic because of what you said. They call it realistic because of how they handle the charactersi enjoy re:zero, but do people really think that re:zero is realistic? i mean, yeah, it attempts to add a little bit of realism in it, but I've never thought that Re:Zero can be praised for its' natural way of the main character adapting in the new world. being realistic is not about *oh the main character tries to learn a language and read it*, it is more about the world and the way that main character interacts with it. the world in re:zero itself doesn't seem to follow a fixed set of rules that we are aware of, and even when plot expands, the world still feels like a very closed circus. there is no sense of adapting to the new world (watched till the 7th ep of season 2, part 2) |
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| I cba to read what all of you are talking about but given the fact that isekais aren't realistic in the first place it is one of the more realistic isekais that doesn't just shit on the fact that the character is being transported/summoned/reincarnated to another world and not some made up crap where they are spoon fed by plot convenience and don't have to do anything to assimilate into an entirely different world. |
heitoo said: Suffer porn..!? What. That its focus is more on their emotional turmoil does not make it "suffer porn" any more than other dramatic shows that deal with the concept of losing a loved one.Grimgar is not realistic. It's just a grimdark suffer porn in anime world. Don't confuse exposition and cruelty with realism. Re:Zero is pretty much in the same ballpark. Mushoku Tensei is not realistic either. However, it has a very good balance between satisfying plot and grounded, believable character development that is very rare in its genre. That it finds time in a lot of episodes to show us the beauty of their surroundings with serene music to boot... I'm...confused about this label. |
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Cyber_Falcon said: it's not like any of the "reviews." affect the shows also most the current negative "reviews" are in violation of the review rules so feel free to report most of them. especially as a lot of them target the people who enjoy the show which is a big no no for reviews on MAL. What's with all the trash SJW reviews plaguing this show? Do people not have anything better to do? |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
| Isekai is to me always just a wish Fulfillment Fantasy, or more crudely simply a gimmick at the start of a story so the MC is clueless about the world along with the audience. A being is transported to another world. The being can be a normal guy or gal or a pathetic guy or gal or anything. But after the Isekai The MC will overcome anything and fullfill all of their fantasy or fail at it depending the type of the series. Positive or Negative. In this series its a Fat guy who is completely inept in our world but as He gets Isekaied in the fantasy world is completely/or will be capable of anything. One of the biggest thing that all Isekai/Anime fiction always do is make the MC the ultimate hard worker, because if you work hard you will achieve anything. Easier to just write then to do in practice(in real life). In reality Any person if they were incapable in this world get isekaied in other fantasy world they will still be incapable there too. This is what I believe. So from my point of view no isekai will be realistic. But I am not watching/ reading this with an intention to fulfill a Realistic itch. I read actual history for that. As an entertainment product I know the MC's point of view will win at the end and he will have a harem. Its guaranteed in this product. If the question is Does this show have a great world building? That will also be No. The show/Manga/LN is very predictable, its the consistence of the characters and good pacing and just enough tease to make you comeback the next time after every arc. This is what this show does Good. Again according to me if this show was realistic the MC here or most of the Isekai will always fail miserably. But in Isekai the MC can start from anywhere he or she will always succeed the product itself demands it. But Talking about Realistic again MC can think like his adult self even as baby and with Regrets and man mistakes one can also find the courage to always be motivated. And if the motivation does goes down he Knows that Magic now exists and The fact that Miracle of being Isekaied can be a permanent Boost for any one to work hard and actually be like the Super Achievers of our own world. So now I consider this Realistic and the years passing by and the fact that its not quick is good too. So depending on the mood I think it is Realistic or not. |
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Dan_Endra said: Isekai is to me always just a wish Fulfillment Fantasy, or more crudely simply a gimmick at the start of a story so the MC is clueless about the world along with the audience. A being is transported to another world. The being can be a normal guy or gal or a pathetic guy or gal or anything. But after the Isekai The MC will overcome anything and fullfill all of their fantasy or fail at it depending the type of the series. Positive or Negative. In this series its a Fat guy who is completely inept in our world but as He gets Isekaied in the fantasy world is completely/or will be capable of anything. One of the biggest thing that all Isekai/Anime fiction always do is make the MC the ultimate hard worker, because if you work hard you will achieve anything. Easier to just write then to do in practice(in real life). In reality Any person if they were incapable in this world get isekaied in other fantasy world they will still be incapable there too. This is what I believe. So from my point of view no isekai will be realistic. But I am not watching/ reading this with an intention to fulfill a Realistic itch. I read actual history for that. As an entertainment product I know the MC's point of view will win at the end and he will have a harem. Its guaranteed in this product. If the question is Does this show have a great world building? That will also be No. The show/Manga/LN is very predictable, its the consistence of the characters and good pacing and just enough tease to make you comeback the next time after every arc. This is what this show does Good. Again according to me if this show was realistic the MC here or most of the Isekai will always fail miserably. But in Isekai the MC can start from anywhere he or she will always succeed the product itself demands it. But Talking about Realistic again MC can think like his adult self even as baby and with Regrets and man mistakes one can also find the courage to always be motivated. And if the motivation does goes down he Knows that Magic now exists and The fact that Miracle of being Isekaied can be a permanent Boost for any one to work hard and actually be like the Super Achievers of our own world. So now I consider this Realistic and the years passing by and the fact that its not quick is good too. So depending on the mood I think it is Realistic or not. For reference, the question phrased in this thread is if MT is one of the most realistic isekai. This means if it is relative to other isekai out there. Though, I do want to read some of your thoughts on why the series doesn't have good worldbuilding. |
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Winden said: Dan_Endra said: Isekai is to me always just a wish Fulfillment Fantasy, or more crudely simply a gimmick at the start of a story so the MC is clueless about the world along with the audience. A being is transported to another world. The being can be a normal guy or gal or a pathetic guy or gal or anything. But after the Isekai The MC will overcome anything and fullfill all of their fantasy or fail at it depending the type of the series. Positive or Negative. In this series its a Fat guy who is completely inept in our world but as He gets Isekaied in the fantasy world is completely/or will be capable of anything. One of the biggest thing that all Isekai/Anime fiction always do is make the MC the ultimate hard worker, because if you work hard you will achieve anything. Easier to just write then to do in practice(in real life). In reality Any person if they were incapable in this world get isekaied in other fantasy world they will still be incapable there too. This is what I believe. So from my point of view no isekai will be realistic. But I am not watching/ reading this with an intention to fulfill a Realistic itch. I read actual history for that. As an entertainment product I know the MC's point of view will win at the end and he will have a harem. Its guaranteed in this product. If the question is Does this show have a great world building? That will also be No. The show/Manga/LN is very predictable, its the consistence of the characters and good pacing and just enough tease to make you comeback the next time after every arc. This is what this show does Good. Again according to me if this show was realistic the MC here or most of the Isekai will always fail miserably. But in Isekai the MC can start from anywhere he or she will always succeed the product itself demands it. But Talking about Realistic again MC can think like his adult self even as baby and with Regrets and man mistakes one can also find the courage to always be motivated. And if the motivation does goes down he Knows that Magic now exists and The fact that Miracle of being Isekaied can be a permanent Boost for any one to work hard and actually be like the Super Achievers of our own world. So now I consider this Realistic and the years passing by and the fact that its not quick is good too. So depending on the mood I think it is Realistic or not. For reference, the question phrased in this thread is if MT is one of the most realistic isekai. This means if it is relative to other isekai out there. Though, I do want to read some of your thoughts on why the series doesn't have good worldbuilding. Its good. I think some of the praise for this series is because many say this was among the first of its kind. I can't say for that since I have experience it now. Relative to other Isekai out there its among the most consistent for me. That gives it a Realistic felling that I like and many others seem to enjoy. For me personally I will keep this similar to Bookworm and Overlord in quick thinking for me, may be more. There are many more shows that keep the character growth Realistic in similar skills if not better than this. I would say Rezero is also consistent as a result Realistic. Everyone has their gimmick and they are all realistic around it. In matter of worldbuilding just a personal sense, its just paper thin and will not stand any detailed examination. I don't believe that a world with this magic will be similar to European Middle ages. Or why similar to European middle ages. The culture of the world don't stand on their own they are just stereotypes of the terrain similar to our world. Talking animal people why well why not. No impact on how the culture or society exist. And its all just the same. Every Japanese Fantasy is almost similar with little bit of differences. Just like for Western Fantasy. The world has no character of there own. Some Shonen shows have better world building and are more unique. Fantasy entertainment just gets boring the older you get. As I get older the worldbuilding starts to seem thinner and just a set dressing and I am no longer as immersed I used to be because its all just similar. So unless something its very different its just there. Simply a side effect of age. I think. |
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| If Rudeus was as capable as he's shown then he wouldn't have been a jobless loser back in modern day Japan. It's just a power fantasy like every other isekai out there. It did a few things better than most JRPG based isekai out there but it's definitely not the best by a long shot. Bookworm is far more better than MT in every aspect so is Re:Zero. Not having an "auto-translator" doesn't make MT one of the best or realistic. Also women living in the medieval ages would never dress up like Ghislaine: Not to mention show her naked butt without a second thought when asked to. To add to it Rudeus just 10 or even less but both his father and Eris's father/grandfather approve of his perverted thoughts/actions. |
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Maou_heika said: If Rudeus was as capable as he's shown then he wouldn't have been a jobless loser back in modern day Japan. It's just a power fantasy like every other isekai out there. It did a few things better than most JRPG based isekai out there but it's definitely not the best by a long shot. Bookworm is far more better than MT in every aspect so is Re:Zero. Not having an "auto-translator" doesn't make MT one of the best or realistic. Also women living in the medieval ages would never dress up like Ghislaine: Not to mention show her naked butt without a second thought when asked to. To add to it Rudeus just 10 or even less but both his father and Eris's father/grandfather approve of his perverted thoughts/actions. If Rudeus was as capable as he's shown then he wouldn't have been a jobless loser back in modern day Japan. Most of Rudeus' problem stemmed from insecurity and trauma. The reasons why he is able to succeed in the new world even though he was a loser in his old one has been stated in the Light Novel numerous times. It's just a power fantasy like every other isekai out there. It is. Don't get me wrong, Rudeus does achieve quite a bit for someone in his world. Though, I attribute it more to his personality and his wisdom that got him to where he is currently, similar to Urano/Myme from Bookworm. Bookworm is far more better than MT in every aspect so is Re:Zero I am still reading the first volume of Bookworm, so I will need to hold on if it is more realistic. However, based on what I have read so far, I don't disagreed. The worldbuilding is decent so far. I will continue reading if it will surpass MT in the future. Hard disagree about Re:Zero so far. I will need to read more arguments to see why it is more realistic than MT. I agree about Ghyslaine's point though, but this is a relative comparison. I can find things in Re:Zero and maybe Bookworm that are unrealistic to balance that out. Also, I am not sure if the grandfather and/or Eris' father really know about Rudeus' perverted thoughts or actions. |
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Maou_heika said: If Rudeus was as capable as he's shown then he wouldn't have been a jobless loser back in modern day Japan. It's just a power fantasy like every other isekai out there. It did a few things better than most JRPG based isekai out there but it's definitely not the best by a long shot. Bookworm is far more better than MT in every aspect so is Re:Zero. Not having an "auto-translator" doesn't make MT one of the best or realistic. Also women living in the medieval ages would never dress up like Ghislaine: Not to mention show her naked butt without a second thought when asked to. To add to it Rudeus just 10 or even less but both his father and Eris's father/grandfather approve of his perverted thoughts/actions. Ghislaine was a literal tribewoman, she didn't even wear tops when she joined Paul's party. |
| The vulgar way that the men treat women and girls seems believable for the times. I'm not a history major or anything, so I can't give a reliable interpretation of the accuracy, sadly. |
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skysurf said: Let's see: The protagonist that has been living a reclusive life for decades is magically cured just by being escorted outside by a loli. The protagonist can think like an adult even in the body of a baby. Yeah, the neuroscience and psychology associations must be praising this show for how realistic this is 😂 And I thought that the only praiseworthy thing about this show was its "vulgarity". Guess I have to reconsider about that. Seriously dude if you not like the show just drop it why spoil the fun of others. I litteraly saw you in every discussion trashing the show :0. What did the show do to you? |
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NhtDesu said: skysurf said: Let's see: The protagonist that has been living a reclusive life for decades is magically cured just by being escorted outside by a loli. The protagonist can think like an adult even in the body of a baby. Yeah, the neuroscience and psychology associations must be praising this show for how realistic this is 😂 And I thought that the only praiseworthy thing about this show was its "vulgarity". Guess I have to reconsider about that. Seriously dude if you not like the show just drop it why spoil the fun of others. I litteraly saw you in every discussion trashing the show :0. What did the show do to you? I mean that guy is right, mushoku tensei is pretty boring and average isekai, i don't know what you hype or love so much about it. |
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Okeanix said: NhtDesu said: Seriously dude if you not like the show just drop it why spoil the fun of others. I litteraly saw you in every discussion trashing the show :0. What did the show do to you? I mean that guy is right, mushoku tensei is pretty boring and average isekai, i don't know what you hype or love so much about it. The fact that the MC has brain is already differentiate than any average isekai bro and I love that we can hear the thought of MC and watch him grown from a baby, It's something unique in itself minus the pervert part. I like this anime because the MC is always been thrown away to different environment from cozy home to high class noble to a dangerous demon continent so there always new things to discover new things to learn. Also the character in this anime feel real to me and I love them. It's never a dull moment in Mushoku Tensei. |
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xyro14 said: "one of the most realistic animes of all genres" is a bit too exaggerated from you. What you said about MT's world building is exactly why it's so unreal because nothing of that can ever happen in real life. After all, "isekai" and "realistic" cant go together. I can pick any SoL series and it'd feel more believable than this.Absolutely agreed and it's one of the most realistic animes not only on isekai medium but in all anime aswell ngl. I'm gonna add these up to further prove the claim; - Characters's environmental influence to their personas - Character dynamics - Portrayal of Rudeus as a former NEET - Other characters's development due to Rudeus - World building (includes races, lores, family system (Greyrats), medieval fantasy, fighthing system (both magic and swordmanship). there's probably more I havent mentioned) That's all I could think of atm but I probably can continue |
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