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Feb 2, 2021 9:46 PM

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_afk_ said:
It is also the situation and environment that pushed them to such act.

Are you able to elaborate on what EXACTLY is the thing that "society" does that would force a person to commit RAPE?

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Feb 2, 2021 10:10 PM

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corvusking said:
Rape and cheating are not purely "flaws", they are actions he performed. Someone decides to rape or cheat. Someone can't really decide if they have a perverted mind. There's a difference between internal flaws and flawed actions. You can have a character that doesn't see the value in life, but still saves people. You can have a character that believes life is precious, but murders half the universe so it can avoid suffering.

As for the second part about cornering someone, the other guy was arguing that it's hard for rapists to get their life back on track. One would assume he's talking about the fact that they are put into a system along with the fact that people view them as risks. Do you want to know why they are viewed as risks? It's because they raped someone. Many rapists are opportunistic. They can go years without raping someone, but finally do when given the perfect opportunity. If someone has shown such behavior, why should it be ignored?

I think you still miss both my and his point. I clearly said "we can doubt him all we want", it doesn't mean we have to put a "criminal" label forever on that person. I personally will not try to get near an ex-criminal, but if the situation allows me to know more about the ex-criminal and his or her effort in redeeming his or her life, then there is no reason for me to think of the ex-criminal as a bad person. And I applaud European's prison system in putting effort in rehabilitating criminals rather than punishing them.

Once again, no one is born a rapist, no one is born a criminal. It is also the situation and environment that pushed them to such act. If you push all responsibilities of a person's crime on that criminal alone, you are missing the whole picture. The environment (around that criminal's upbringing) is created by society, thus you cannot seriously ignore society's fault in the matter. Either you have to be naive, or ignorant, and seriously condescending to believe that.

I'm talking about the way you group flaws and actions. However, we have a criminal records for a reason. The public deserve to know high risk individuals, plain and simple. If someone murdered someone in cold blood, why shouldn't I know about it and take that into account for whatever reason? Maybe my job is high-stress and I don't want someone who has proven to not be able to handle stress, working for me. Maybe I'm running a daycare and don't want a sex offender working for me. Is that treating them like a criminal or making a smart decision?

In this case (the anime), Paul raped someone while they were sleeping. He's not a criminal in their world, but at what point would you start trusting him as someone who wouldn't rape someone that was sleeping?

What environment pushes someone to rape? What part of society creates a rapist? There are plenty of wealthy people who rape and murder, so you can't say it's inequality. So if you are making this claim, please give me a good answer.

Feb 2, 2021 10:20 PM

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MyllerPhiem said:

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OtakuKakkoii said:
I was very sad because of this episode because I was really liking Paul because he helped the MC with his friend, but this is unforgivable I don't think it was really a rape because the maid was really seducing him but he had really raped when she was younger what makes me think also what this maid had in mind for seducing her former abuser to work in the house where he lives and stab the MC’s mother by the coast just for wanting to have sex since there were many other men in that village

Keep watching, you'll see how amazing Paul as a dad is

A rapist can become amazing if written he is amazing on a piece of paper ?

What happens when a convicted rapist saves the world? Will your head explode from the moral dilemma? 🤦‍♀️

So if someone sexually assaulted you and they went on to save the world, all would be forgiven?

How about when it's not you he raped but some random person? And he already went to jail. So saving the world has ZERO positive effect? Like, it wouldn't matter that he saved 7 billion people's lives because of raping one girl many years ago?

Are you for real?

It wouldn't wipe the slate clean. A rapist can still be a rapist that saved the world. It makes them no less deserving to be on a list because of their previous actions.

You think a proven rape becomes any less important/relevant due to time? The way you phrase it makes you sound disgusting. If the person is random, that makes no difference in my view, I'm asking if it makes a difference in your view. It must because you didn't answer the question.

I'm not going to look up to someone as a hero if they are also a rapist, no matter how long ago the rape was. And let's be real, you are using some silly extreme to try and argue a silly point.

And yet Vegeta is a hero, despite being a gruesome mass murderer.

But rape, THAT's unforgivable!!1 /s

Wow ...

The joke's on you. I don't like Vegeta either. Imagine going this far to defend rape. smh.

I'll defend CONVCICTED rapists any day, any time, chap. Because unlike you, I don't lack empathy.

And how weak of you to deflect with "I hate Vegeta, too". Who cares. The masses love Vegeta. THat's the point.

Lmao! Keep in mind you still never answered my question before, "So if someone sexually assaulted you and they went on to save the world, all would be forgiven?"

You just go from one thing to another. Plenty of people still love Bill Cosby and many supported Michael Jackson when he was accused. Those are real-world examples. How many real-world mass murderers are widely loved (not indirect but with their own hands).

We all know you're defending rapists. That's obvious.

Are you personally related to the victim? No? Then stop fucking condemn the CONVICTED rapist. He didn't do anything to you, he has made an effort to return to life, now let him.

It's people like you that make the world a worse place, why wars about petty shit are a thing. Why not tell us your strong opinion on why you support Israel?

So dumb ...

Lmao. The person who accomplished raping the person they wanted to rape now wants to go back to a normal life. Sorry, but the world doesn't work like that. They can get on as well as they can, but they performed an action and there are lasting consequences for that action, both for them and the victim (the true victim).

Imagine complaining that serving a few years and having a record that haunts them is too much for raping someone. Yeah, sure, I'm the one making the world a worse place, not the people who actually commit the crimes. Amazing.

Still haven't answered my question I see.

Feb 2, 2021 10:33 PM

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Sigh... I just want to enjoy an anime, I guess I shouldn't get myself deeper in this quagmire (inside pun intended).

From the glimpse of this thread, I see most source readers already answered the questions in the OP. What is left on the current discussion is going off on a tangent and I am not going to continue. Peace out and enjoy the series (if you aren't put off by the show so far). The original source is pretty dark (actually slightly edgy if you ask me) since it concerns various stuffs that is not PG-13, with cheating, rape and sexual harassment are just the surface.

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Feb 2, 2021 11:06 PM

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I don't understand why people make a big fuss about the matter. Different world, different cultures, different mindsets, different morality. Even within that world, people have different thinking as well. Instead of using Earth's 21st century POV to look at the series, why don't you just sit back and enjoy the show?

Sit back and enjoy the show? Like with a brain turned off? I get what you're trying to say, but controversial topics will always start a fuss. It's a fiction, not a documentary, so it's subject to criticism and discussion. Even if we're talking about fiction, subjects like rape or child-porn for instance, will not simply be "enjoyed" on the premise of "It's a different world, different cultures, different mindsets, different morality"

People have flaws, what matters the most is whether they fix those flaws or not. And Mushoku Tensei is pretty good at doing what we call "character development".

What I disagree on is again how lightly those flaws are treated, at least in the anime. There's basically no consequences. Paul just gets yelled at for some time, "sits in the corner of shame" - for a little while, and that's basically it. Considering the abundance of "fan-service", "ecchi" moments in just 4 episodes, people are starting to question the mindset of the author and if they're "promoting a certain agenda" perhaps.

From my own enjoyment with Mushoku Tensei's web novel, I come to like most of characters, even if that is a POS rapist like Paul. Even the main character was even worse than Paul, but we still come to like his reincarnation, Rudeus.

I'm not going to tell people to ignore any crime, like Paul's rape of Lilia or cheating on Zenith, but instead of focusing on those flaws, better see how the guy overcome those flaws.

Your point of view is understandable, but it can be hard to get attached, or like/be interested in characters who do immoral things and get light or no punishment at all. Most people would simply not care or may even dislike the characters more if the story shows in our mouths that "we should like these people". I mean, how many people would love to read the story of a rapist hero or a pedo-hero?

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
Dude's clearly messed up. He's trying so hard to redeem rapists that I'd add him to the "Potential suspect list" in real life; similarly to how the national security forces have "potential terrorists" list.

I think you missed his points. If a criminal has passed his due sentence then it is better to give that ex-criminal a second chance. Sure, we can doubt him all we want, but to corner somebody who put efforts in redeeming his or her life is not the way to go. If you corner a rat, the rat will bite back, and if you corner an ex-criminal, you are going to push him or her back to his criminal life.

I understand that even rapists can be redeemed, and agreed on the following:

One thing I can agree on, is that we should give these people a chance to re-enter life, by giving them opportunities to get a job once they've served the time.

But dude does a terrible job at phrasing his words - and other people agreed with me on this matter. I mean, come on, when you read something like this: convicted rapists have it so hard to find back into life. Then they see no other way, rape again Doesn't this rise an eyebrow?

Feb 2, 2021 11:25 PM

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You sound like the typical neopuritan authoritarian who wants anything banned that he doesn't like. Let me guess, you're a PlayStation-fan, eh?

No and no.

Your posting is dumb and ignorant on so many levels that it's hilarious.

Argument of an elementary grade child. Is the date of your birth on your profile correct?

1.) So if defend innocent pedophiles (who haven't committed any crime at all), will you call me a pedophile, too, then?

No. There are people who get payed to do the job. Why is this even a question? We disagree on defending CONVICTED RAPISTS, not innocent rapists (who haven't committed any crime at all).

2.) Society MOST CERTAINLY is at fault for rapists raping. Not entirely, but nobody is a rapist by nature, unless you can proof there is a "rape gene". You'd get the nobel prize for sure.

I think you need to quit mal and go seek professional help at this point. If I happen to meet you on the street and suddenly have an urge to stab you to death, it's the society's fault? not mine? Will you have empathy for me bleeding in the gutter?

3.) Your general lack of empathy is sickening. All you think about are the immediate victims. Yet you completely dismiss the fate of the perpetrator. At no point did I defend ongoing rapists, I was talking about CONVICTED rapists and I made that clear. When someone spent his time in jail and is deemed fit to walk free again, it is not yOUR position to make that person's life hell. At that point you're just guilty of driving that person into another corner. At best you're then guilty of driving someone into suicide, at worst you're guilty of causing him to rape again. THINK for one fucking second ...

And you seemed to have problems with the vision or can't read. I'm quoting myself here: One thing I can agree on, is that we should give these people a chance to re-enter life, by giving them opportunities to get a job once they've served the time. I wasn't the one saying bullshit such as convicted rapists have it so hard to find back into life. Then they see no other way, rape again. But now I see why you're so deranged. You blame society, not the predator, hence - seek help.

Feb 2, 2021 11:32 PM

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There are loads of people in the real world that stay with their cheating SO. It happens all the time. Hell we just had a president in the US who is still with his wife that he cheated on. The woman who ran against him in 2016 is still with her husband that cheated on her. This is a common occurrence even in modern times much less medieval society.

As for Paul, he is basically a gigachad in MT universe. He is incredibly handsome, an amazing swordsman, and a noble. Think of him more as a professional athlete or rock star. When Zenith married him, she knew exactly the type of person he was.

Paul is widely regarded as one of the best characters in the novels. But if you are someone who can't handle characters that aren't morally perfect, than this show might not be for you.

Feb 3, 2021 12:00 AM

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Sigmar-Unberogen said:
Sit back and enjoy the show? Like with a brain turned off? I get what you're trying to say, but controversial topics will always start a fuss. It's a fiction, not a documentary, so it's subject to criticism and discussion. Even if we're talking about fiction, subjects like rape or child-porn for instance, will not simply be "enjoyed" on the premise of "It's a different world, different cultures, different mindsets, different morality"

Once again, I'm not against discussion on controversial topics, but as I said we shouldn't use the POV of 21st century Earth to this isekai world.

From the content of 4th episode, it only brushes on the matter briefly (same as in the web novel), and we have a few parts cut so we can squeeze that much content in one episode. There are a little bit of details that delve deeper in Zenith's character that we are missing out on anime adaptation, which is a shame.

Once again, remember the current Paul's character. There are a lot of stuffs going on, and the series is quite slow paced during the first few volumes before the plot picking up. I like that the series will be long-running, since it is impossible to know the journey of Rudeus in only one or two seasons.

What I disagree on is again how lightly those flaws are treated, at least in the anime. There's basically no consequences. Paul just gets yelled at for some time, "sits in the corner of shame" - for a little while, and that's basically it. Considering the abundance of "fan-service", "ecchi" moments in just 4 episodes, people are starting to question the mindset of the author and if they're "promoting a certain agenda" perhaps.

You are thinking a bit too deep. Just saying, Zenith has known Paul for a long time, and she still married him despite knowing his nature. A small part of the source material got skipped which pretty much makes audience not know about how Zenith thought during the whole ordeal.

Also, "ecchi" and "fanservice" aren't anything new in anime, why are you picking up on this? On the other hand, this is pretty okay, as we know Rudeus's nature. He is trying to redeem himself, but his nature as a perverted character is unchanged. The most important point is that he is not committing hideous acts. Being a pervert with pedophile tendency is a flaw, but it is not like he is committing the act itself (unlike his previous self that had done something - btw this part got skipped in the anime). Also, slight spoiler, Rudeus is part of big boob camp. For his lolicon tendency, consider him as a "cultured" person like most weeaboos.

Your point of view is understandable, but it can be hard to get attached, or like/be interested in characters who do immoral things and get light or no punishment at all. Most people would simply not care or may even dislike the characters more if the story shows in our mouths that "we should like these people". I mean, how many people would love to read the story of a rapist hero or a pedo-hero?

The story is not telling you to like these people. But the story will draw out the charm of these characters despite flaws and crimes, which was what I meant.

Too bad that all of the defense on Paul that we, the source readers, tried to put up will make you hate him more. Even if without hating him, your expectation on him will be high as we already overhyped the character so much. And as we know, high expectation usually gives great disappointment. I hope that, should you continue to watch the show, don't look at Paul or the story with biased eyes or expectation. View him as an once-rapist, once-cheater, but with the story progresses, there are a lot to explore.

It is not like Paul doesn't get punished. Being shamed by his own wife is quite a big deal tbh. He gave into Lilia's seduction, and his experience of nearly destroying his own family as a consequence was big enough. It is not like Paul was irresponsible toward his family, as such this incidence was traumatic for him. Zenith felt betrayed by both Paul and Lilia, but she could not bring herself to give the death sentence to Lilia, and she neither wanted to see her family destroyed either. That was why she decided to stick with Paul even if he betrayed her once, and her friendship with Lilia also contributed to the decision of keeping Lilia. It clearly showed her character and not just part of Paul's harem.

_afk_Feb 3, 2021 12:18 AM

Feb 3, 2021 12:45 AM

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_afk_ said:

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
Sit back and enjoy the show? Like with a brain turned off? I get what you're trying to say, but controversial topics will always start a fuss. It's a fiction, not a documentary, so it's subject to criticism and discussion. Even if we're talking about fiction, subjects like rape or child-porn for instance, will not simply be "enjoyed" on the premise of "It's a different world, different cultures, different mindsets, different morality"

Once again, I'm not against discussion on controversial topics, but as I said we shouldn't use the POV of 21st century Earth to this isekai world.

From the content of 4th episode, it only brushes on the matter briefly (same as in the web novel), and we have a few parts cut so we can squeeze that much content in one episode. There are a little bit of details that delve deeper in Zenith's character that we are missing out on anime adaptation, which is a shame.

Once again, remember the current Paul's character. There are a lot of stuffs going on, and the series is quite slow paced during the first few volumes before the plot picking up. I like that the series will be long-running, since it is impossible to know the journey of Rudeus in only one or two seasons.

What I disagree on is again how lightly those flaws are treated, at least in the anime. There's basically no consequences. Paul just gets yelled at for some time, "sits in the corner of shame" - for a little while, and that's basically it. Considering the abundance of "fan-service", "ecchi" moments in just 4 episodes, people are starting to question the mindset of the author and if they're "promoting a certain agenda" perhaps.

You are thinking a bit too deep. Just saying, Zenith has known Paul for a long time, and she still married him despite knowing his nature. A small part of the source material got skipped which pretty much makes audience not know about how Zenith thought during the whole ordeal.

Also, "ecchi" and "fanservice" aren't anything new in anime, why are you picking up on this? On the other hand, this is pretty okay, as we know Rudeus's nature. He is trying to redeem himself, but his nature as a perverted character is unchanged. The most important point is that he is not committing hideous acts. Being a pervert with pedophile tendency is a flaw, but it is not like he is committing the act itself (unlike his previous self that had done something - btw this part got skipped in the anime). Also, slight spoiler, Rudeus is part of big boob camp. For his lolicon tendency, consider him as a "cultured" person like most weeaboos.

Your point of view is understandable, but it can be hard to get attached, or like/be interested in characters who do immoral things and get light or no punishment at all. Most people would simply not care or may even dislike the characters more if the story shows in our mouths that "we should like these people". I mean, how many people would love to read the story of a rapist hero or a pedo-hero?

The story is not telling you to like these people. But the story will draw out the charm of these characters despite flaws and crimes, which was what I meant.

Too bad that all of the defense on Paul that we, the source readers, tried to put up will make you hate him more. Even if without hating him, your expectation on him will be high as we already overhyped the character so much. And as we know, high expectation usually gives great disappointment. I hope that, should you continue to watch the show, don't look at Paul or the story with biased eyes or expectation. View him as an once-rapist, once-cheater, but with the story progresses, there are a lot to explore.

It is not like Paul doesn't get punished. Being shamed by his own wife is quite a big deal tbh. He gave into Lilia's seduction, and his experience of nearly destroying his own familyas a consequence was big enough. It is not like Paul was irresponsible toward his family.

Wow! Thank you for you answer, this is basically why I started this thread for. I wanted some more details from LN and you provided it. I didn't expect it to turn into rape-discussion lol. Anyways, I'm not going to drop the show, at least not yet. I don't think my overall POV on Paul will change, but now I understand him and Zenith more. Though, again, you say that Paul was shamed and that's a big deal. I think it was more jokingly treated in the anime. It just didn't feel like a big deal to me AT ALL. Also I can't agree that Paul wasn't irresponsible. I mean, if he was, he wouldn't risk impregnating the maid to begin with... but I get it, Paul is... Paul.

Regarding me using ecchi/fan-service. Well this may be a personal thing. I just have less tolerance of ecchi/fan-service in serious anime, and this anime takes itself pretty seriously, so I believe 2 instances of masturbation, cheating, rape accusation, MC's perversion is just too much too soon. Not enough to make me drop, but certainly makes me feel like this: -_-

Feb 3, 2021 1:00 AM

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Sigmar-Unberogen said:
Wow! Thank you for you answer, this is basically why I started this thread for. I wanted some more details from LN and you provided it. I didn't expect it to turn into rape-discussion lol. Anyways, I'm not going to drop the show, at least not yet. I don't think my overall POV on Paul will change, but now I understand him and Zenith more. Though, again, you say that Paul was shamed and that's a big deal. I think it was more jokingly treated in the anime. It just didn't feel like a big deal to me AT ALL. Also I can't agree that Paul wasn't irresponsible. I mean, if he was, he wouldn't risk impregnating the maid to begin with... but I get it, Paul is... Paul.

Regarding me using ecchi/fan-service. Well this may be a personal thing. I just have less tolerance of ecchi/fan-service in serious anime, and this anime takes itself pretty seriously, so I believe 2 instances of masturbation, cheating, rape accusation, MC's perversion is just too much too soon. Not enough to make me drop, but certainly makes me feel like this: -_-

No problem bro. Probably it is just me as an Asian, but there is a running joke that husbands are usually scared of their wife. So Paul's position in the family tanked to the ground is both a serious punishment and a joke by its own.

The first episode already sets the tone for the series. It is both serious and comedic, dark yet light-hearted at the same time, and so far the anime has handled it well. I have read the source materials over and over again, and for the anime I have been watching each episode twice, appreciating every detail in the series. It is actually a bit disappointing that the part where Rudeus was supposed to admit his lie to Zenith was skipped; this part is very brief, only one page long, but it did plenty to show Zenith's thought on the matter.

With episode 4 we arrive at end of volume 1, but there is also a larger part in volume 1 that I haven't seen in the anime yet. Probably it is left for future episode, so this is as far as I can say. I hope that it is not skipped... It has a large part on character development and world building, and related to the topic in the OP, thus it would be a big shame to skip that part.

Feb 3, 2021 1:16 AM

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skysurf said:

HaryKane_TXD said:
a woman that doesn't have sex for ages and in particular days like those 3-4 were there are high chances to get pregnant , trust them if they get excited or start thinking about having sex , the first (Paul in this case) guy or thing they can have sex with , it is very likely they will do it , no matter what happened in past in that case only as I can't tell about other cases right now.

Your saying that you can tell the difference of rape when it happens in 0AC and 2021 . They are not felt the same as people of 2000 years ago had a culture that is nothing like one we have now , what you wrote is true for 2021 not really if we talk about medieval or 1000BC or 1000AC , we are kinda lucky that we weren't born as female and not in those gloomy periods 😂

Rape victims actually wish they wouldn't see the face of the perpetrator ever again. No need to believe me, just talk to an actual victim or read articles where they express their views and feelings.

Considering you removed all the rest of what I wrote and are using modern mentality to judge , yes if we use what you wrote it is all right and unquestionable , unfortunately mine wasn't based on modern society and still is right go and check history FACTS before giving your opinion on what I write , assuming things is so wrong , have a great day :D

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Feb 3, 2021 1:36 AM

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HaryKane_TXD said:

Considering you removed all the rest of what I wrote and are using modern mentality to judge , yes if we use what you wrote it is all right and unquestionable , unfortunately mine wasn't based on modern society and still is right go and check history FACTS before giving your opinion on what I write , assuming things is so wrong

Interesting. Can you please provide or quote those "history FACTS" that backup your claim that rape victims will "very likely" want to have sex with the perpetrator if given the chance, simply because they haven't had sex for a while? Since you said you were not talking about modern times, feel free to provide evidence of such phenomenon at any age/period in human history of your preference.

I'll leave your words here again so you can keep track of what we're talking about:

HaryKane_TXD said:
a woman that doesn't have sex for ages and in particular days like those 3-4 were there are high chances to get pregnant , trust them if they get excited or start thinking about having sex , the first (Paul in this case) guy or thing they can have sex with , it is very likely they will do it , no matter what happened in past in that case only as I can't tell about other cases right now.

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Feb 3, 2021 1:40 AM

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skysurf said:

I'll leave your words here again so you can keep track of what we're talking about

Your saying that you can tell the difference of rape when it happens in 0AC and 2021 . They are not felt the same as people of 2000 years ago had a culture that is nothing like one we have now , what you wrote is true for 2021 not really if we talk about medieval or 1000BC or 1000AC , we are kinda lucky that we weren't born as female and not in those gloomy periods

Nice try conversarion manipulator , have a good time haha haha bye
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Feb 3, 2021 1:50 AM

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Sigmar-Unberogen said:

Dude's clearly messed up. He's trying so hard to redeem rapists that I'd add him to the "Potential suspect list" in real life; similarly to how the national security forces have "potential terrorists" list.

But dude does a terrible job at phrasing his words - and other people agreed with me on this matter. I mean, come on, when you read something like this: convicted rapists have it so hard to find back into life. Then they see no other way, rape again Doesn't this rise an eyebrow?

Yup agreed lol

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA sorry I was in the quote too , can I be added too ? XD

Beeing impartial and writing about rapists plus all this shit we have in our current society made this conversation sick ahahahahahahahahaha ... Fortunately other users were very capable to continue the conversation ... Reading it was very interesting !!! Thanks again for opening this thread !

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Feb 3, 2021 1:58 AM

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@HaryKane_TXD
As expected, you couldn't back up your embarrassing claims. Are your "HISTORY FACTS" based on hentai with fantasies about the rape victim wanting to have more sex with the perpetrator? Because it seems unlikely that you would have actual evidence on the psychology of rape victims "2000 yEarS agO".

But anyways, please don't reply to me anymore. I'll just leave a copy of your shameful words once again as a goodbye, so you can appreciate better your level of intelligence:

HaryKane_TXD said:
a woman that doesn't have sex for ages and in particular days like those 3-4 were there are high chances to get pregnant , trust them if they get excited or start thinking about having sex , the first (Paul in this case) guy or thing they can have sex with , it is very likely they will do it , no matter what happened in past in that case only as I can't tell about other cases right now.

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Feb 3, 2021 2:00 AM

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skysurf said:

HaryKane_TXD said:

My view : she become her maid , lets say if in that particular case virginity is a thing for that fantasy world she would find hard to find a better place were to live as her best choice would be staying with who raped her ... I will not write anything psychological related because it would become too complicated ... It depend mostly on mentality gave to the population of that fantasy world as in 2021 in our world she could have found someone else to stay with , and not have almost just 1 option or 0 (death is easy when alone in that type of world , at least for her unless I don't know something that makes her able to survive alone)

As you are clearly not able to debunk what I wrote here let me fix it for you

Bye bye smart guy :D

PS: I never wrote that the woman I wrote about has been raped and if I did was related to the anime story so go and waist someone else time 😎

no matter what happened in past in that case only as I can't tell about other cases right now ...
in that case only as I can't tell about other cases right now ...
I can't tell about other cases right now ...

You clearly manipulated this yet failed to make me write what you asked .

This said I really doubt your smart , have a nice day L :D

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Feb 3, 2021 2:17 AM

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ANYWAYS ALL MY WRITING IS ABOUT EVERYTHING RELATED TO WHAT HAPPENED IN THE ANIME .
ANY REFERENCE THAT IS RELATED TO OUR SOCIETY AT ANY POINT OF ITS HISTORY CAN'T BE USED TO JUDGE WHAT HAPPENED IN IT SO ALL THIS 21TH CENTURY CONVERSATION IS POINTLESS.
HAVE A GREAT DAY AND HAVE FUN .

IA_HuryKane_BTXDFeb 3, 2021 5:15 AM

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Feb 3, 2021 2:24 AM

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Sigmar-Unberogen said:
It seems like Paul's betrayal of his wife is already a closed subject in the anime; meaning we will likely get no additional info.

That is why, I'm wondering if LN had better info on how Paul survived this incident without breaking the family?

Rudy clarified to Zenith that it's all a lie and Zenith actually knows it's a lie from the start. Zenith knows that while Paul is hopeless womanizer he's also not low enough to use blackmail.. NOR DOES HE NEED TO. Even his rape victim Lilia doesn't really hold grudge over it,,
Basically he's hot guy and if you've read enough of those Josei smut you'll know that somehow chicks had fantasy of being raped by bossy, chad, handsome, muscular CEO/King/Prince/Oil Magnate, etc.

and on that topic

Sigmar-Unberogen said:

Is Zenith that fanatical of Paul that she's eager to forgive this betrayal? No self respect???

Yes and No. Zenith married Paul with the full resolve that one day some random kids or chicks will come and say that they're Paul secret child or wife. Zenith knows full well that Paul is a scum, He even try to attack Ghylsaine, their fellow party member at that time. Zenith knows full well that Paul is not believer in her religion that literally came from another CONTINENT. She is against Paul marrying other woman but if he do she'll probably just begrudgingly accept it.

What shocked her the most is not Paul cheating.. it's actually his partner Lilia since she trusted her like her best friend

In the Novel Zenith still mad at paul and sleep at different bed even way after Norn and Aisha are born. She only act amiable because she doesn't want to worry Rudy,, she's mom through and through.

Sigmar-Unberogen said:

It also boggles me to why the maid would reveal her pregnancy to everyone and not to Paul directly? What did those two morons expect? They both F'd up. She F'd up, and now wants to ruin the family too?
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Lilia wanted to (wo)man up and left the home for her action. She fess up because she felt guilty. Lilia and Paul only done the deed once and originally she thought once will be fine and none will be the wiser. Even then she actually still feels guilty for betraying Zenith.

Lilia is not a goody two shoes too. Her left leg are actually partially paralyzed and scarred from previous job and she lost her job for it. When he saw Paul notice looking for a maid she was about to blackmail him into the job to begin with (in case you have question why Lilia are working for her ex-rapist) She's the one who seduced Paul and kept silent about Rudy eerie behavior because she doesn't want to bother with that child even tho in that world a child filled with evil spirit exist AND IT CAN BRING DISASTER TO THE FAMILY.

So yes don't think for a second that she's just good ol' obedient maid that care about her employer.. at least not until this event that is... oh and on that topic

Sigmar-Unberogen said:

Why did the author even write this controversial shit to begin with? Paul has a hot wife, yet it took a glimpse of a naked female body for him to lose all sanity, morality, dignity and loyalty and impregnate a house servant in the process? wtf? To me it leaves an impression that author made Paul do this for the sake of shock value, and to maybe make MC feel better about himself, since he's not the only rotten/perverted POS in the family lol? - Otherwise, consequences should have been much more dire, no?

Uhh to avoid spoiler.. It's basically for Aisha.. or actually it become huge matters for the grand scheme of the whole story.. Again this is way too much spoiler but Aisha is no minor character (well Norn is, and to this date I still feel a shame that Norn is the only token character in this series)

Also it's important to establish the world. In that continent monogamy is not the norm except for Milis faith. In that world sex are way more casual. In that world if you're handsome and strong guy you're considered super attractive that you can get away with rape. In that world travelling is a huge fucking deal and can result in death. In that world hierarchy is important and a lowly maid can be sent to death to preserve noble family line or even get injured in line of duty (Lilia is combat maid for Ashura first princess. Her leg are semi-paralyzed by poison while attempting to thwart said princess assassination.. and she got fired for it). Quite a lot of thing are established from this one event.

Anyway hope this answer all the question

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Feb 3, 2021 2:56 AM

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Luthandorius said:
I do not think this is such a big deal - in a fantasy world. Probably common for guys to have secondary wifes. The thing with Zenith getting angry was probably mainly for the audience watching the anime. Cause most probably would find it harder to understand if she just ignored it.

Especially in the mediaval-like setting when the female has to take care of the kids (can't do other work and there is no social security lol) it is not uncommon that she just has to endure it. (And is used/okay with it cause it probably happens a lot as well in other families and they all know about it.)

In that world there's 4 continent.. and among 4 continent only 1 have religion that ban polygamy. Zenith came from that continent and are believer in Milis which is why she's angry.

But in novel it's established that the biggest reason she's angry is not because Paul is cheating (She married her knowing full well that she's massive womanizer) but rather that his partner is Lilia. Zenith trusted Lilia and treat her like family and best friend.. the double betrayal made her saw red.

Think of it like if your girl or guy cheated with your best friend.. it'll be many times worse than some random man you don't even know.

Feb 3, 2021 3:22 AM

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ImNOTAmOtaku said:
Ok enveryone is talking about the cheating and the explanation seems to make sense

But what about the fucking rape? He literally raped Lilia while she was sleeping in the past and she seems to don’t give a fuck and she has no problem telling this to Rudeus

That's because Lilia just doesn't mind it.

Ever heard that joke about the differences between sexual harassment and not are whether you're attractive or not? same thing.

I used to think those were joke but then I read some Josei smut and a lot of them cover fantasy about being raped forcefully by some hot rich guy.. y'know like 50 shades but more hardcore.

So Lilia mindset is not entirely impossible for me

Feb 3, 2021 3:42 AM

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HigekiTragedy said:

So Lilia mindset is not entirely impossible for me

Agreed also on everything I removed from what you wrote , finally someone that can understand outside the box 😎

ImNOTAmOtaku said:

I understand how he got always with this, but what I can't understand is how tf Lilia could still want to be with him and would want to have sex with him again

Doesn't matter the culture and society view on it, being raped *is always* a bad experience, even if other people might not care, it will always be extremely unpleasant for the victim, unless she's some kind of nynphomaniach and has some weird fetishes

He wrote also this but I'm not sure if that my explanation helped him .
Anyone else can explain it to him ?

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Feb 3, 2021 4:09 AM

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