PeenusWeenusCaim said: In case that you have played them, you have never completed one. Don't try to say you have, because there's no way in hell I'm believing it. What happened is that the game was too hard for you, so you dropped it. No problems with that, I'm not blaming you or anything, just don't criticize something if you know nothing about it.Lord_Sithis said: Pffft, LOLThere's no fun eh? You've probably never played one. And if you have, you have never completed one. Because you know, criticizing a game (an entire genre, better that way) without completing it is always a good idea. But it was probably too hard for you, I understand. "THESE GAMES R THE BAST WHAT? YOU SAID YOU PLAYED THEM BUT DIDN'T LIKE THEM? THEN YOU MUST HAVE NOT PLAYED THEM" Here you go, one size fits all.  |
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Lord_Sithis said: I have completed them though?PeenusWeenusCaim said: In case that you have played them, you have never completed one. Don't try to say you have, because there's no way in hell I'm believing it. What happened is that the game was too hard for you, so you dropped it. No problems with that, I'm not blaming you or anything, just don't criticize something if you know nothing about it.Pffft, LOL "THESE GAMES R THE BAST WHAT? YOU SAID YOU PLAYED THEM BUT DIDN'T LIKE THEM? THEN YOU MUST HAVE NOT PLAYED THEM" Here you go, one size fits all. Your fanboyism and denial is so blatantly obtuse at this point that it almost scares me.  Pick one, special buses for special ones in need. |
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PeenusWeenusCaim said: No, you have not completed a single one of them. Because in order to complete them, you need to dedicate dozens of hours to them, you see, they're not easy games. And you've said you dislike them and find them boring. Don't tell me now you played them for dozens of hours even though they're boring.Lord_Sithis said: I have completed them though?In case that you have played them, you have never completed one. Don't try to say you have, because there's no way in hell I'm believing it. What happened is that the game was too hard for you, so you dropped it. No problems with that, I'm not blaming you or anything, just don't criticize something if you know nothing about it. Your fanboyism and denial is so blatantly obtuse at this point that it almost scares me. Pick one, special buses for special ones in need. |
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Lord_Sithis said: LOLPeenusWeenusCaim said: No, you have not completed a single one of them. Because in order to complete them, you need to dedicate dozens of hours to them, you see, they're not easy games. And you've said you dislike them and find them boring. Don't tell me now you played them for dozens of hours even though they're boring.I have completed them though? Your fanboyism and denial is so blatantly obtuse at this point that it almost scares me. Pick one, special buses for special ones in need. Navigating a pixel through a wall of color-coded pixels may be boring and asinine gameplay, but it surely doesn't take dozens of hours. They aren't hard. Ever grew up in an arcade kid? |
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PeenusWeenusCaim said: They surely aren't hard when the True Last Boss of DoDonPachi SaiDaiOuJou has never been defeated, and DaiOuJou Death Label has only been cleared 3 times in the 13 years that have passed since release. Yeah, they're pretty easy. Now I'll proceed to ignore your posts since you clearly know nothing of what you're talking about.Lord_Sithis said: LOLNo, you have not completed a single one of them. Because in order to complete them, you need to dedicate dozens of hours to them, you see, they're not easy games. And you've said you dislike them and find them boring. Don't tell me now you played them for dozens of hours even though they're boring. Navigating a pixel through a wall of color-coded pixels may be boring and asinine gameplay, but it surely doesn't take dozens of hours. They aren't hard. Ever grew up in an arcade kid? |
PeenusWeenusCaim said: Syrup- said: Let me repeat that again.Star Ocean 3 Name me one (1) game with a terrible story and GOOD (emphasis on good) gameplay that can lasts for oved 200 hundred hours. Moving the goalposts isn't cool bro, and Star Ocean 3 can still easily last over 200 hours, even if you do. The gameplay in that game was actually pretty good for its time, considering there's a large following of autists who enjoyed it. It had incredibly difficult battle trophies, custom stat growth, skill customization and learning, a cryptic weapon crafting system, and several branches from the main story that allows for different party compositions as you go along. Unless you're trying to say it was the story that wasn't bad, because it was so bad it's actually good, in which case I might agree with you. In any case, you said "good," not "perfect" gameplay, so I don't think I need to go to the trouble to convince you that I won here. It's self-evident. Kinda sucks that I'd have to defend a game was ultimately ruined for me by the terrible story. Besides, this largely depends on what one determines to be good. Since I explained my position in this argument, I think it's fair to ask you to propose one (1) game with good gameplay as a standard to go by. Since you're not trolling, I think that's pretty easy for you to do. |
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Lord_Sithis said: Shut your mouth, you fucking secondary. Shmups are a fucking joke. I've 1cc'd every touhou game on lunatic. Do you play shmups? Cause you spend QUITE a lot of time posting the same lists over and over again.PeenusWeenusCaim said: There's no fun eh? You've probably never played one. And if you have, you have never completed one. Because you know, criticizing a game (an entire genre, better that way) without completing it is always a good idea. But it was probably too hard for you, I understand.I already played them. And I find them boring as fuck tbh. Again, there's really no fun in navigating a pixel through a wall of different color-coded pixels. If that's your idea of fun and good gameplay, something's wrong. inb4 "mooodddds he's bullying me!!11" if you spent even one second thinking about your arguments and making them different you might be able to get a discussion like caim and I are having in the previous post. Instead you're just wasting everyone's time yet again with your pathetic drivel. Let me know when you've graduated from babbys first shmups. |
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Lord_Sithis said: Going through the extra effort to beat a super secret optional hidden boss like Hibachi is not completing a game. It's autism. That's like saying you haven't really completed FFXII unless you beat Yiazmat which is retarded.PeenusWeenusCaim said: They surely aren't hard when the True Last Boss of DoDonPachi SaiDaiOuJou has never been defeated, and DaiOuJou Death Label has only been cleared 3 times in the 13 years that have passed since release. Yeah, they're pretty easy. Now I'll proceed to ignore your posts since you clearly know nothing of what you're talking about.LOL Navigating a pixel through a wall of color-coded pixels may be boring and asinine gameplay, but it surely doesn't take dozens of hours. They aren't hard. Ever grew up in an arcade kid? Unlike mentally ill shmup fans who find glee in navigating a pixel through a wall of color-coded pixels, I'm mentally sane enough to not even consider wasting my time going through with it. Does someone having a different opinion really bother you? |
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PeenusWeenusCaim said: I don't mean beating Hibachi, obviously. I'm not expecting most people on MAL to be able to beat Hibachi. I just mean a 1-ALL. That's not fully completing the game 100%, in fact, it's completing half. But you still beat the game. That's good enough.Lord_Sithis said: Going through the extra effort to beat a super secret optional hidden boss like Hibachi is not completing a game. It's autism. That's like saying you haven't really completed FFXII unless you beat Yiazmat which is retarded.They surely aren't hard when the True Last Boss of DoDonPachi SaiDaiOuJou has never been defeated, and DaiOuJou Death Label has only been cleared 3 times in the 13 years that have passed since release. Yeah, they're pretty easy. Now I'll proceed to ignore your posts since you clearly know nothing of what you're talking about. Unlike mentally ill shmup fans who find glee in navigating a pixel through a wall of color-coded pixels, I'm mentally sane enough to not even consider wasting my time going through with it. Does someone having a different opinion really bother you? The thing is, I'm not mentally ill, and in fact most superplayers I know are pretty stable and friendly. It doesn't bother me, you just said the gameplay was unfun and easy. And that is not true. Syrup- said: I really like your posts. They're amazing. Secondary is a word used when talking about Touhou, and I'm not focusing on Touhou here. Congratulations for you Lunatic 1cc's though, if you really have them. I do play shmups btw, I just got a DoDonPachi DaiFukkatsu 2-ALL with Type-C Strong and thought about checking my MAL. I can give you a pic to prove it.Lord_Sithis said: Shut your mouth, you fucking secondary. Shmups are a fucking joke. I've 1cc'd every touhou game on lunatic. Do you play shmups? Cause you spend QUITE a lot of time posting the same lists over and over again.There's no fun eh? You've probably never played one. And if you have, you have never completed one. Because you know, criticizing a game (an entire genre, better that way) without completing it is always a good idea. But it was probably too hard for you, I understand. inb4 "mooodddds he's bullying me!!11" if you spent even one second thinking about your arguments and making them different you might be able to get a discussion like caim and I are having in the previous post. Instead you're just wasting everyone's time yet again with your pathetic drivel. Let me know when you've graduated from babbys first shmups. I'm not going to call the mods, don't worry. I already graduated from Touhou if that's the one you mean. |
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Lord_Sithis said: And you think I don't know? PeenusWeenusCaim said: I don't mean beating Hibachi, obviously. I'm not expecting most people on MAL to be able to beat Hibachi. I just mean a 1-ALL. That's not fully completing the game 100%, in fact, it's completing half. But you still beat the game. That's good enough.Going through the extra effort to beat a super secret optional hidden boss like Hibachi is not completing a game. It's autism. That's like saying you haven't really completed FFXII unless you beat Yiazmat which is retarded. Unlike mentally ill shmup fans who find glee in navigating a pixel through a wall of color-coded pixels, I'm mentally sane enough to not even consider wasting my time going through with it. Does someone having a different opinion really bother you? The thing is, I'm not mentally ill, and in fact most superplayers I know are pretty stable and friendly. It doesn't bother me, you just said the gameplay was unfun and easy. And that is not true. 1CC/1-ALL are generally agreed upon as means of truly completing shmups without going into hardcore obssessive otaku mode. |
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PeenusWeenusCaim said: What hardcore obsessive otaku mode though?Lord_Sithis said: And you think I don't know? I don't mean beating Hibachi, obviously. I'm not expecting most people on MAL to be able to beat Hibachi. I just mean a 1-ALL. That's not fully completing the game 100%, in fact, it's completing half. But you still beat the game. That's good enough. The thing is, I'm not mentally ill, and in fact most superplayers I know are pretty stable and friendly. It doesn't bother me, you just said the gameplay was unfun and easy. And that is not true. 1CC/1-ALL are generally agreed upon as means of truly completing shmups without going into hardcore obssessive otaku mode. If you just credit feed through the whole game, shmups are top tier boring. If you go for the 1cc, they're fun. Unless you just dislike them because you do, but that's you. |
Lord_Sithis said: Have you thought that maybe, just maybe, it's because of gameplay habits?PeenusWeenusCaim said: What hardcore obsessive otaku mode though?And you think I don't know? 1CC/1-ALL are generally agreed upon as means of truly completing shmups without going into hardcore obssessive otaku mode. If you just credit feed through the whole game, shmups are top tier boring. If you go for the 1cc, they're fun. Unless you just dislike them because you do, but that's you. If you grew up with an arcade, being able to 1CC was the optimal way of playing at the arcade. You get to save coins and 1CCing also allowed you to hog the machine longer since you aren't in a position to give your seat up. Also, your worth as a kid back then was measured by how far you could get in the arcade games. That shit affects gameplay habits and one that certainly applies to me. Of course there are some people who 1CC for fun, sure, but not all of them. Some of them do it to brag about their 1CC to others, others do it to save money (like in the past or in places like Japan where the arcade is still alive), and some just do it out of habit (like me). So no, I don't enjoy shmup gameplay, but have I 1CC'd them? Of course, it's a habit of mine to 1CC shmups. Doesn't mean I enjoyed their gameplay. |
PeenusWeenusCaimDec 26, 2016 11:54 PM
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PeenusWeenusCaim said: No one (I mean no one) brags about 1ccs. No one. Because 1ccs aren't something to brag about. They're a really weak achievement. People brag about scores, not survival stuff. Maybe in the west, and especially with Touhou and that stuff. But 1cc is not an achievement you would brag about, and especially in an arcade.Lord_Sithis said: Have you thought that maybe, just maybe, it's because of gameplay habits?What hardcore obsessive otaku mode though? If you just credit feed through the whole game, shmups are top tier boring. If you go for the 1cc, they're fun. Unless you just dislike them because you do, but that's you. If you grew up with an arcade, being able to 1CC was the optimal way of playing at the arcade. You get to save coins and 1CCing also allowed you to hog the machine longer since you aren't in a position to give your seat up. Also, your worth as a kid back then was measured by how far you could get in the arcade games. That shit affects gameplay habits and one that certainly applies to me. Of course there are some people who 1CC for fun, sure, but not all of them. Some of them do it to brag about their 1CC to others, others do it to save money (like in the past or in places like Japan where the arcade is still alive), and some just do it out of habit (like me). So no, I don't enjoy shmup gameplay, but have I 1CC'd them? Of course, it's a habit of mine to complete 1CC shmups. Doesn't mean I enjoyed their gameplay. Now that is weird. Why would you 1cc (or even play) shmups if you don't enjoy them? |
Syrup- said: There is none. Good gameplay that can lasts for over 200 hours doesn't exist.Since I explained my position in this argument, I think it's fair to ask you to propose one (1) game with good gameplay as a standard to go by. Lord_Sithis said: No shit nobody brags about 1CCs anymore. You're missing the point.No one (I mean no one) brags about 1ccs. No one. Because 1ccs aren't something to brag about. They're a really weak achievement. People brag about scores, not survival stuff. Maybe in the west, and especially with Touhou and that stuff. But 1cc is not an achievement you would brag about, and especially in an arcade. Now that is weird. Why would you 1cc (or even play) shmups if you don't enjoy them? Is being a condescending fuck all you think about dude? Again, no fucking shit people brag about 1CCs anymore. Up until the internet happened, 1CC was only something you could brag about at the local arcade since you were mostly just playing with other kids who (most of the time) sucked ass and let the machines eat their quarters at the time. But that still doesn't change my point that 1CCing eventually becomes a habit and something you would consistently aim for in arcades because of already stated reasons. Which then affects your gameplay habits, to the point that you'd 1CC shmups regardless of whether you're playing it in an arcade or not. And no, you're wrong. Shmup gameplay is boring as fuck, but the graphics, sounds, music, and general aesthetic is pleasing and the only thing worth making a shmup playable nowadays. |
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Lord_Sithis said: Here we go again with the autism.PeenusWeenusCaim said: You are wrong. The only people who play for 1cc are people who aren't really into the genre and Touhou players. Everyone else plays for score, because 1cc is something simple that everyone can do. Scoring is a competition. A high score is a real achievement, not a 1cc.There is none. Good gameplay doesn't exist. No shit nobody brags about 1CCs anymore. You're missing the point. Is being a condescending fuck all you think about dude? Again, no fucking shit people brag about 1CCs anymore. Up until the internet happened, 1CC was only something you could brag about at the local arcade since you were mostly just playing with other kids who (most of the time) sucked ass and let the machines ate their quarters at the time. But that still doesn't change my point that 1CCing eventually becomes a habit and something you would consistently aim for in arcades because of already stated reasons. Which then affects your gameplay habits, to the point that you'd 1CC shmups regardless of whether you're playing it in an arcade or not. And no, you're wrong. Shmup gameplay is boring as fuck, but the graphics, sounds, music, and general aesthetic is pleasing and the only thing worth making a shmup playable nowadays. And what's wrong with that? Yeah, YOU find the gameplay boring. Most people I know who play shmups play specifically for the gameplay. No shit. Nobody brags about 1CC anymore. Now people only talk about scores. But In an era before the internet got big When achievements were compared to your gaming community at a local level (I have to bold here since you can't seem to comprehend) And the goal for kids like me back then Wasn't a high score But to get 1CC That was the only thing we consistently aimed for. And to get back at those faggot arcade owners who always ramped the difficulty on their machines just so they could take more of our money. Also stop with that fallacy faggotry. Anecdotal evidence does not counter anecdotal evidence. I don't care what your buddies think, shmups are boring. It's just navigating a pixel through a wall of flashy color-coded pixels. |
PeenusWeenusCaimDec 27, 2016 12:49 AM
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Lord_Sithis said: Uh no.PeenusWeenusCaim said: Yeah, that might be in your arcade with kids. In a serious arcade, everyone played for score. It didn't start with the Internet, it started with arcades themselves. In fact, Touhou is responsible for making survival a thing, because before it pretty much everyone played for score.Here we go again with the autism. No shit. Nobody brags about 1CC anymore. Now people only talk about scores. But In an era before the internet got big When achievements your gaming community was only at a local level (I have to bold here since you can't seem to comprehend) And the achievement for kids like me back then Wasn't a high score But to get 1CC That was the only thing we consistently aimed for. And to get back at those faggot arcade owners also always ramped the difficulty on their machines just so they could take more of our money. Also stop with that faggotry. Anecdotal evidence does not counter anecdotal evidence. For kids, maybe. But 1cc isn't a thing. Back then no serious player played for 1cc, simply because 1cc wasn't a real thing, you could only use one credit, so there was no 2cc or anything like that. Seriously, you're literally the only person I've seen who has 1cc'd a shmup and says the gameplay is not fun. I'm in Shmups Forum, that has a lot of users. I've never seen someone like that. Or in Discord servers. Anywhere. Back then it was survival first and then score later. When arcades were invented, they were made to simply be little novelties you'd enjoy at with a beer. It wasn't until later when arcades became mainstream that it went from survival to score attack. Which is also how someone starting off in arcades should always go; being able to survive the entire set of stages, then perfecting your later playthroughs so you could hit the scoreboard. Reaching the scoreboard is easy, you just had to refine your mechanics with each playthrough through constant practice. Surviving 1CC was what mattered though, because it's the learning process. 1CC was like your driver's licensing test. In the end, it isn't worth something to brag about as an adult since everybody else is now a driver but it was certainly a goal as a teenager and something you could brag about to your other high school buddies at the time. The point is, 1CC is a habit that came from the old arcade days where 1CC meant everything as a kid and now that I'm older and 1CCing is easy as fuck, it shouldn't take less than a day to 1CC a game even with gameplay you don't enjoy. Scmup gameplay is still boring as fuck and only worth for the pleasing aesthetic and music they tend to bring. Also shut the fuck up. Touhou didn't make survival a thing, survival in arcades existed long before ZUN shat Touhou out. |
PeenusWeenusCaimDec 27, 2016 2:29 AM
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PeenusWeenusCaim said: There are no games with good gameplay? Caim you're drunk again pls go to bed.Syrup- said: There is none. Good gameplay that can lasts for over 200 hours doesn't exist.Since I explained my position in this argument, I think it's fair to ask you to propose one (1) game with good gameplay as a standard to go by. |
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Lord_Sithis said: Just gonna step in here for a sec. I'm pretty sure I very clearly stated that I 1cc'd all the Touhou games on Lunatic, and said that they're boring games. You replied that Touhou is where the term 1cc comes from, so my point is invalid. Now you bring the term up again and apply it to shmups in general. Which is it? (edit: you said secondary, but my point still stands. You're basically trying to call Caim a secondary here because he thinks 1cc is important) Seriously, you're literally the only person I've seen who has 1cc'd a shmup and says the gameplay is not fun. I'm in Shmups Forum, that has a lot of users. I've never seen someone like that. Or in Discord servers. Anywhere. Also the reason you're going to have a hard time finding anyone who will say shmups are good is because they really aren't. Simple as that. If you wanna be mad, be mad at yourself for making 90% of your posts a single player circlejerk over the same list of shmups. You sound like those gamer girls who are like "Yeah I play games" "What's Zelda? I only play League of Legends" How to be Lord_Sithis: 1. Look at the Gaming forum on an anime weeb site 2. Is there a thread about a loose concept such as gameplay or replayability? 3. Open up notepad 4. Load your favourite list of games that you want people to think you have special taste for playing 5. Make sure they're all from the same genre to make it look like you're part of an elite culture of high skill gamerz 6. Copypasta 7. ??????? 8. Nobody replied to you so start back at step 1 and do it again until 7 = read replies. |
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Lord_Sithis said: Could you please put your age on your profile so we can just dismiss you as a speshul 14 year old? You have no ability to read past what is literally stated in words. That or you're really trying hard to bullshit everyone in this thread, cause you're being pretty blatant about trying to draw a line between you and Caim so you can stay unique. "If you pump credits it's boring, the way it's meant to be played is 1cc!" and then later you're all like "nobody does 1cc". You're completely transparent. @Syrup- Your post makes no sense. First, I never tried to call Caim a secondary. I don't have a hard time. I can go to Shmups Forum now, or Shmups Discord, and find thousands. And I always post the same shmups because they are my favorite. What do you want me to post? Battle Garegga, the best shmup ever? No. Ehm... yeah... what? I've never thought I have a special taste or part of an elite culture. I'm a fan of a dying genre, not a glorious one that everyone respects. What is the point of your posts? You add nothing to the discussion. If you don't have a hard time finding shmup fans that will put up with you, why are you here? Nobody here gives two shits about shmups but you've made it your mission to post this not only on your about me but in every thread. "Hey guys look I play shmups." Nobody cares. You're as annoying as that idiot who keeps inserting Dragon Quest into EVERY fucking post he makes, even if it's not related to the topic. At least you're not a compulsive liar like him. |
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| Some games are focused on the story, like Heavy Rain, where I couldn't care less about the game mechanics, because the story is awesome, on the other hand, if the gameplay rocks I don't need a story at all. I'd say, it depends on the weight, if I have to pick one, I'd say gameplay is more important to me than a story. |
Lord_Sithis said: Wrong, survival existed long before ZUN shat out Touhou. Hell, arcades were dying before ZUN released the first Touhou on PC-98 in 1996.PeenusWeenusCaim said: The analogy is great. You can brag for your 1cc as a kid, but serious players brag about their three letters over everyone else's three letters. Or even world records.Uh no. Back then it was survival first and then score later. When arcades were invented, they were made to simply be little novelties you'd enjoy at with a beer. It wasn't until later when arcades became mainstream that it went from survival to score attack. Which is also how someone starting off in arcades should always go; being able to survive the entire set of stages, then perfecting your later playthroughs so you could hit the scoreboard. Reaching the scoreboard is easy, you just had to refine your mechanics with each playthrough through constant practice. Surviving 1CC was what mattered though, because it's the learning process. 1CC was like your driver's licensing test. In the end, it isn't worth something to brag about as an adult since everybody else is now a driver but it was certainly a goal as a teenager and something you could brag about to your other high school buddies at the time. The point is, 1CC is a habit that came from the old arcade days where 1CC meant everything as a kid and now that I'm older and 1CCing is easy as fuck, it shouldn't take less than a day to 1CC a game even with gameplay you don't enjoy. Scmup gameplay is still boring as fuck and only worth for the pleasing aesthetic and music they tend to bring. Also shut the fuck up. Touhou didn't make survival a thing, survival in arcades existed long before ZUN shat Touhou out. Touhou didn't invent survival, Touhou popularized it. The thing is, why do you play shmups then? If you dislike the gameplay, why play? Just the aesthetic? Like... what? Sometimes aesthetics. Sometimes music. Sometimes characters even.I played Ikaruga for it's OST. |
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Lord_Sithis said: Touhou didn't popularize survival though. It was already a popular concept long before Touhou existed.PeenusWeenusCaim said: Yes, I'm not saying survival didn't exist. I'm saying that what popularized survival was Touhou.Wrong, survival existed long before ZUN shat out Touhou. Hell, arcades were dying before ZUN released the first Touhou on PC-98 in 1996. Sometimes aesthetics. Sometimes music. Sometimes characters even. I played Ikaruga for it's OST. Well, most people I know play for the gameplay. There are a lot of genres with better aesthetic than shmups, though I guess that's a YMMV thing. Ikaruga does have a great OST. So basically, you dislike shmup gameplay. OK. Doesn't mean they're boring though, just that you find them boring. And no, you really don't find aesthetics as good as shmups. In most genres, combat will always be basic as fuck. A sword will swing. A gun will shoot. There's no beauty to it. It's the same shit. In shmups, it's different though. Combat is done through patterns and they can be beautiful. In Touhou 12, you fight against an umbrella youkai so you get patterns that look and move like an umbrella. In Touhou 8, you fight against Kaguya, whose based on a famous Japanese folktale. A lot of her bullet patterns are based on the impossible items she asked suitors to obtain for her in the old legend from the fire rat robe to colorful gold jewels. Her last spells then become fully circular, moon-like patterns that also represent the end of the legend, where Kaguya left her home to go back to the moon. It's insane how Zun does this. He told the entire story of Kaguya through combat with bullet patterns. You never find this kind of stuff outside of shmups, which is why its unique and even beautiful. You worship shmups and yet you can't even see the beauty in it? I feel sorry for you. |
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Syrup- said: It's true though. No game can have gameplay that can lasts you for over 200 hours. Not even good gameplay with a good story. It's just impossible.PeenusWeenusCaim said: There are no games with good gameplay? Caim you're drunk again pls go to bed.There is none. Good gameplay that can lasts for over 200 hours doesn't exist. Now if we were just strictly talking about games with good gameplay though:  Super Metroid Oni Yakuza 0 Final Fight Super Castlevania IV Wario Land 2/3 I could list more but I'd have to kill you then. |
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Lord_Sithis said: In most genres, combat will always be basic as fuck. A sword will swing. A gun will shoot. There's no beauty to it. It's the same shit. Ofc not, both beu and shooters in general go for systemic depth rather than complexity turning fights into dances, shooters in particular have gun roles for different situations working with enemy and map design for different challenges in every room of doom/quake/online arenas. |
FondenteDec 27, 2016 1:57 PM
sunfire02 said: Quake? Maybe.Lord_Sithis said: In most genres, combat will always be basic as fuck. A sword will swing. A gun will shoot. There's no beauty to it. It's the same shit. Ofc not, both beu and shooters in general go for systemic depth rather than complexity turning fights into dances, shooters in particular have gun roles for different situations working with enemy design for different challenges in every room of doom/quake/online arenas. But Doom? No. The depth is as deep as a puddle. And I'm talking about aesthetics, not mechanics. |
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PeenusWeenusCaim said: sunfire02 said: Quake? Maybe.Ofc not, both beu and shooters in general go for systemic depth rather than complexity turning fights into dances, shooters in particular have gun roles for different situations working with enemy design for different challenges in every room of doom/quake/online arenas. But Doom? No. The depth is as deep as a puddle. And I'm talking about aesthetics, not mechanics. aesthetics as emotional player response?:P If you check 'mda framework' you need mechanics to evoke them |
| tic tac toe does like any other game but players won't find it fun after 5 minutes, can we move past this dropping this here to clear things on how your regular thing doesn't cover much of doom's ground after something like 20 years following the same steps, though there's plenty of stuff going for different experiences which doesn't mean they'll get very deep either |
FondenteDec 27, 2016 2:21 PM
| Systemic games don't have much of a story because they have what they need. It's just enough to justify things and not get in the way of gameplay. So quake arena has gods forcing baddies from all the galaxy to fight each other for amusement and that's all it needs. Story driven games bend everything to narrative-it has priority, which can have diminishing returns turning them less of games, when you don't write your story for consistent mechanics or are not be able to tell one with the mechanics already in place (hence cutscenes and stuff). It's not the writers having hard time (well there's hundreds of them and it's hard but nvm) as much as gaming as a whole ignoring good writing in story driven games so for some evil aligment of the planets gears of war has "the most poetic moment in gaming" and bullshit like that, and 99,99% of visual novels are crap, while proper stuff like The Talos principle etc is ignored, it's worse than anime. Haven't played TLOU but I heard it's good dlc included. |
FondenteDec 28, 2016 5:39 PM
| Battlefield 4 has a shitty campaign, but the multiplayer is out of range. |
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PeenusWeenusCaim said: I used to think not. I always thought good gameplay always prevails. As long as you have good gameplay, story can hardly matter. And then I played Yakuza 6. As a Yakuza fan...I hate you....but i ain't played the damn thing yet so I ain't gonna say anything else. MGSV had incomplete and crappyish story but the gameplay was insane! I spent over 85 hours on it and its going to go up as i [progress through the side ops so in a way, no, a bad story can't ruin a bad game but it can dampen the experience . |
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