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| the first part was good with the fighting and all, but the way the fight ended, that was really lame and damn predictable... it was more than obvious that was how they were going to end it. i also didn't think that ichigo and zangetsu were going to fight but guess i was wrong. i don't think that muramasa is kenpachi's zanpakutou, because as was stated in this episode their are somehow pissed because the shinigami think they own their zanpakutou and kenpachi never talked to his zanpakutou he doesn't even know what his zanpakutou name is, so... if muramasa actually is kenpachi's zanpakutou, kenpachi doesn't knoe it and i'll be very curious of what muramasa's motives are!!! |
Monad said: Am i the only one not exited with this fillers? I'm not exited as well.. i actually think this filler is stupid, although it has potential... |
| Sode no Shirayuki's sort of a bitch :/ I don't really like her. I'd like to know why Zangetsu was fighting Ichigo though D: |
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Chimasternmay said: remember it doesn't have a normal form to return too, the size has nothing to do wit his large reatsu, that applied to his first form, which was so big because of it, but after it was fucked up by Rukia's brother, and when he trains with uruhara and Yurichi they tell him about it... Oh right... I must have forgotten that, I thank you for refreshing my memories XD |
| these fights are completely epic for filler |
| Where in this episode did i miss that zangestu was rejecting ichigo? edit: after the last song..duh |
| Stupid Rukia, of course Shikai won't work, Sode no Shirayuki is right in front of you!!! That was established with the initial Zanpakutou attack. BTW, Sode no Shirayuki really is pretty. Wow, I didn't think Zangetsu was going to fight Ichigo... next episode should be interesting. |
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| hm i think it's too much rukia-ichigo theme ... |
| "just take it easy xD" |
| Haven't enjoyed Bleach this much since the Grimmjow fights. Next week is Ichigo vs Zangetsu - I'm actually looking forward to a Bleach episode. |
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HB_I_eternity_I said: I think Muramasa is Kenpachi's Zanpakuto, look at the clues. For 1, He has motive since he is neglected amongst the Zanpakuto, 2 Muramasa is a type of sword that Kenpachi's looks very similar too. 3.... I can't remember anymore at the moment. your first clue is stupid because for all the zanpakutou to fight together against the shinigami they need to have similar motives and the episode today shows that it isn't because they were neglected. and about your second clue there was someone here that posted a spoiler with an image of muramasa's sword and it is not the same as kenpachi's |
stAtic91 said: I agree next week should be really interesting.Haven't enjoyed Bleach this much since the Grimmjow fights. Next week is Ichigo vs Zangetsu - I'm actually looking forward to a Bleach episode. |
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Danchou said: HB_I_eternity_I said: I think Muramasa is Kenpachi's Zanpakuto, look at the clues. For 1, He has motive since he is neglected amongst the Zanpakuto, 2 Muramasa is a type of sword that Kenpachi's looks very similar too. 3.... I can't remember anymore at the moment. your first clue is stupid because for all the zanpakutou to fight together against the shinigami they need to have similar motives and the episode today shows that it isn't because they were neglected. and about your second clue there was someone here that posted a spoiler with an image of muramasa's sword and it is not the same as kenpachi's what do you mean? it seems like a perfectly valid explanation to me. Muramasa is a name none of us have heard before so that must mean he has never been released by his user and the only main character that hasn't done that is Kenpachi. Also, Kenpachi is extremely abusive of his sword. He doesn't feel the need to depend on it's abilities so doesn't give a sh*t as to how it's feeling. as for the leaked image I have some opinions: 1) how a could an image be leeked when the episode hasn't been released in japan? unless it was leaked by someone inside the industry its nearly impossible. It's far more likely a very good work of fan art (I haven't this picture so I'm not sure) 2) Kenpachi's sword is in shreads. There is the possiblilty Muramasa is holding what the sword should look like with proper care. |
Dunkin said: I still hope for this ending I read somewhere on the net: The ending of Bleach will be... ...the entirety of Soul Society is destroyed by whomever the final Big Bad is, Ichigo and co. is out of commission, and all is lost. At least, until a single figure stands above the ruins, faces the bad guy. Zaraki Kenpachi stretches his shoulders, grins, and says "Ban....". Cut to black. The End. keeping kenpatchis bankai a mystery. note that this is not a spoiler but only fanfiction. Lol that would be hilarious! Although open endings usually keep bugging me but for a series like this there isn't really a possibility for a closed ending... As for the identity of Muramasa, someone mentioned in the thread about ep 230 that this is the name of some famous sword smith. Could it be zanpakutous and the bond they have with their shinigami were somehow 'created' in a distant past in some 12th squad like experiment and Muramasa was the first to be called into existence? I know it's just a wild hypothesis but it would kinda disappoint me if he was simply the zanpakutou of a known character. Although, if he was, Kenpachi is the most likely candidate indeed. |
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| Oh man, this is becoming so boring and predictable!!! If i were Rukia's Zanpaktou, i would just kill her after her speech. She's pratically saying: "Now that you're free, i'll set you free!" BAHHH and her Zanpaktou even pays attention to her. And what is this whole discussion about Muramasa being Kenpachi's Zanpaktou. THe last thing i would expect of Kenpachi's Zanpaktou, would be a skinny guy, but who knows.... |
RambaZamba91Aug 12, 2009 3:47 PM
| Would it not be funny, if Muramusa was Kenpachi's Zanpukto, they are both evil anyway! Plus Zaraki would be like I don't care and just beat him up, that is the ending for this filler, it pretty conspicuous lol XD! As for the episode it was good, the animation is really nice, high budget filler, or for the first few episode might I add. Ichigo should be alright, I don't see how he can use his hollow powers though, because is the hollow not in his Zanpukto? Good episode nonetheless! |
devastator said: hm i think it's too much rukia-ichigo theme ... I totally agree, it's the same structure, same storyline, same everything. Rukia losing and getting better just to fight again, Ichigo having his ass kicked just to, in the next episode do the same to his enemy.... and this goes on and on since the beginning of Bleach. I love Bleach, but this is really starting to get into my nerves!!! |
RambaZamba91 said: devastator said: hm i think it's too much rukia-ichigo theme ... I totally agree, it's the same structure, same storyline, same everything. Rukia losing and getting better just to fight again, Ichigo having his ass kicked just to, in the next episode do the same to his enemy.... and this goes on and on since the beginning of Bleach. I love Bleach, but this is really starting to get into my nerves!!! This happens in other animes as well, it the normal Shouenen style that everyone is familiar with, did you forget it was a filler and what else were you expecting, they cannot just go out there and start bringing in random themes, Ichigo is the protagonist. If you don't like it don't watch the filler, really simple solution for you! |
| I'm not saying it's bad at all, i'm saying they could at least vary a little... but it's still unknow what will happen, maybe they will surprise us, which would be great, altough i'm not very confident. |
| The best thing to do with Bleach fillers, is to always be pessimictic as to the quality of it, then you will not be dissapointed if it comes out rubbish, or you will be highly suprised and impressed if it come out good. I think you should know by now the quality of fillers in Bleach are rubbish enough to stop complaining about. XD |
Ri-chan said: Also, Kenpachi is extremely abusive of his sword. He doesn't feel the need to depend on it's abilities so doesn't give a sh*t as to how it's feeling. kenpachi can't release his zanpakutou not because he doesn't want to it's because he can't hear it he can't talk to it. At first it was as you said he never really cared but after fighting with ichigo for the first time he actually changes his opinion. |
| I wasn't expecting anything at the first place, i was just commentig on a reply. ^^" About the fillers you're completely right. Still i can find some joy in them. Excluding of course the bounto's arc!!! (ohhhh how i suffered in that time) XD |
Danchou said: HB_I_eternity_I said: I think Muramasa is Kenpachi's Zanpakuto, look at the clues. For 1, He has motive since he is neglected amongst the Zanpakuto, 2 Muramasa is a type of sword that Kenpachi's looks very similar too. 3.... I can't remember anymore at the moment. your first clue is stupid because for all the zanpakutou to fight together against the shinigami they need to have similar motives and the episode today shows that it isn't because they were neglected. and about your second clue there was someone here that posted a spoiler with an image of muramasa's sword and it is not the same as kenpachi's It's really rude of you to keep telling people their theories are stupid - I saw that in another thread too. It's not difficult to say you disagree without being antagonistic and childish. The theory does make perfect sense, the motive is clearly there. There's really no need for all the Zanpakutous to have similar motives to fight the shinigami. It's totally possible that Maramusa is a smooth talker and coaxed the others into joining him. "Fight with me and I will free you," how would that not have such an effect on beings that have, in a sense, been prisoners their entire lives. Do you always trust leaked images that have nothing official to back them up? As for this - Danchou said: Ri-chan said: Also, Kenpachi is extremely abusive of his sword. He doesn't feel the need to depend on it's abilities so doesn't give a sh*t as to how it's feeling. kenpachi can't release his zanpakutou not because he doesn't want to it's because he can't hear it he can't talk to it. At first it was as you said he never really cared but after fighting with ichigo for the first time he actually changes his opinion. Dude, Kenpachi doesn't give a damn about talking to his sword, he never has, and he never changed his mind. That man is incredibly powerful without the powers of a Zanpakutou. All he enjoys doing is fighting strong guys, so why would he even consider going out of his way to learn about his Zanpakutou? Adding the powers of a Zanpakutou is the last thing he would want, because it would make things even more boring for him. |
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| sry for having an opinion of my own... |
| Really good episode. To those who don't like this arc, take the Lurichiyo fillers for example, now which one do you prefer? I think these fillers are pretty decent, with good plot and art. Sode no Shirayuki really is beautiful.. personally I can't wait to see Yumichika's zanpakutou in action. And I really hope we get to know where Byakuya is. All in all it was a pretty impressive episode... the Arrancar encyclopedia at the end was fun. |
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| This discussion is becoming stupid and completely desctructive! Discussions should be constructive and not the opposite!!!! It's all about hearing other peoples thoughts and accepting them as they are. You can come up with your argument and persuade the other to join you in your theory but you can never say the other is wrong or that his idea is stupid!!! Sorry for the long lecture XD |
| I apologize, i didn't want to offend anyone. When i was writting stupid ( i only did it twice in this episode's forum, i think) I wasn't calling the writers that, i was just stating my opinion on their points of view, i respect them all although i don't agree with some, so i just write what comes to my mind. it was never meant to offend anyone. Again i apologize for those who were offended by my comments. And i'm sorry, but i'm not going to change the why i write things. I hope you can understand and respect that, if not again i'm sorry. ps: for future references if i offend anyone again with my comments i apologize. |
| I kind of agree about Kenpachi's sword. He treats it horribly... It's been through a lot. XD lol, released or not, if I were his sword, I'd be pissed. It could turn out to be anything though.... I was a bit confused as to why only Ichigo and Rukia were the only ones that went, because they're semi-useless without their zanpakutou. Why not Sado, Orihime, and Ishida? I suppose it's better to do things the hard way. |
LagTag said: Haha for once i felt Rukia wasn`t just the princess of the arc to save , she actually did something on her own for herself , was refreshing ! And well of course the big question is : Who does Muramasa belong to ? I`ll place my bet on Kenpachi, but just a wild guess ~~ |
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Ri-chan said: as for the leaked image I have some opinions: 1) how a could an image be leeked when the episode hasn't been released in japan? unless it was leaked by someone inside the industry its nearly impossible. It's far more likely a very good work of fan art (I haven't this picture so I'm not sure) 2) Kenpachi's sword is in shreads. There is the possiblilty Muramasa is holding what the sword should look like with proper care. Sayuri-Hime said: Do you always trust leaked images that have nothing official to back them up? It isn't leaked, it was in the preview for the next episode. |
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HNSeijin said: Ri-chan said: as for the leaked image I have some opinions: 1) how a could an image be leeked when the episode hasn't been released in japan? unless it was leaked by someone inside the industry its nearly impossible. It's far more likely a very good work of fan art (I haven't this picture so I'm not sure) 2) Kenpachi's sword is in shreads. There is the possiblilty Muramasa is holding what the sword should look like with proper care. Sayuri-Hime said: Do you always trust leaked images that have nothing official to back them up? It isn't leaked, it was in the preview for the next episode. cool, that backs my theorie up... |
| the episode was ok next one should be interesting |
| Technically Muramasa still could be Zaraki's sword, since the blade he was holding seemed to be a sealed one, while Zaraki's is constantly released due to his spirit pressure. But that would imply he has far less reiatsu, which is pretty anticlimactic. Besides, Muramasa doesn't fit Zaraki at all and his name implies he's much more than just some random shinigami's zanpakuto. The studio probably only left Zaraki out to use him as a plot device later. And to give the fans something to argue about. Sayuri-Hime said: Dude, Kenpachi doesn't give a damn about talking to his sword, he never has, and he never changed his mind. That man is incredibly powerful without the powers of a Zanpakutou. All he enjoys doing is fighting strong guys, so why would he even consider going out of his way to learn about his Zanpakutou? Adding the powers of a Zanpakutou is the last thing he would want, because it would make things even more boring for him. Read this chapter |
Nyuu3Aug 13, 2009 6:04 AM
| I agree, as i already said, Muramasa doesn't fit Kenpachi (sorry for stealing your words Mammoth) at all. He's a skinny guy who prefers to fight from the distance (as you can see in his special attack), while Kenpachi is a huge guy who loves a face to face combat! I personaly don't believe this two contradictory characters would be the "same". Normally the Zanpaktou has some resemblance to his wielder.This is not the case. |
| I think we are just unconsciously creating this illusion because Knepachi isn't present.... I believe they didn't put Kenpachi in this arc because they would have to show his Zanpaktou and i don't think they want or can show it right now..., but who knows?! If the artist was trying to surprise us he completley failed in his task! |
Mammoth said: Technically Muramasa still could be Zaraki's sword, since the blade he was holding seemed to be a sealed one, while Zaraki's is constantly released due to his spirit pressure. But that would imply he has far less reiatsu, which is pretty anticlimactic. Besides, Muramasa doesn't fit Zaraki at all and his name implies he's much more than just some random shinigami's zanpakuto. The studio probably only left Zaraki out to use him as a plot device later. And to give the fans something to argue about. Sayuri-Hime said: Dude, Kenpachi doesn't give a damn about talking to his sword, he never has, and he never changed his mind. That man is incredibly powerful without the powers of a Zanpakutou. All he enjoys doing is fighting strong guys, so why would he even consider going out of his way to learn about his Zanpakutou? Adding the powers of a Zanpakutou is the last thing he would want, because it would make things even more boring for him. Read this chapter : O |
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RambaZamba91 said: Kenpachi's definitely a difficult character for the authors to deal with in a story like this, but that could also be an opportunity. They seem to be putting more effort into this arc so they should know using such an excuse is just stupid. I think they'll work him into the story somehow, even if they can't show his zanpakuto. In the worst case, he can at least return in time for the final battles. I think we are just unconsciously creating this illusion because Knepachi isn't present.... I believe they didn't put Kenpachi in this arc because they would have to show his Zanpaktou and i don't think they want or can show it right now..., but who knows?! If the artist was trying to surprise us he completley failed in his task! They might just be trolling the fans with this, though. It's important to give them something to talk about. Sayuri-Hime said: lol, nice reaction.: O |
| Since this isn't the main storyline, just a filler, i don't believe it will be in this arc that Kenpachi will meet his Zanpaktou. If he appears, i think he will only do that in the end, to kick some Zanpaktou's ass lol. |
| maybe its Urahara's zampaktou Lol xD |
| I just realize something! What about Yoruichi, shouldn't she have a Zanpaktou or did i missed something? II know Muramasa couldn't be her Zanpaktou but just out of curiosity... |
| What a dramatic farewell. ; _ ; |
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| She was shown using a sword (or knife or something) in Soi Fon's flashback after their fight. No one knows what happened to it, though. |
| Really?! I don't remember seeing it. I have to take a look at that episode again. Thanks for the reply. |
| Now that i think about it i have some vague idea lol... |
| I'm so damn curious about who is that muramasa zanpakutou. anyway, i really loved this episode,it was kind of sad. rukia's zanpakutou is so beautiful! and she was almost convinced to give up when that muramasa guy showed up! Grrrrrr. |
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AceSoldia said: yea..surprisingly emotional..now lets see if hollow ichigo can beat zangetsu.. I don't think that hollow Ichigo will show up because these episodes were just tossed in the anime. I wouldn't be suprised if they never even said a thing about the hollow. |
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| yeah zangetsu its out but look at his sword it could be just his way of testing him again lol making sure he isnt gettng rusty |
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