danuchiha99 said: How come you didn't recommend WASAPI exclusive over Directsound, people have been saying it's better? And why is it that when I use reclock, the volume is somewhat lower than MPC's audio renderer? WASAPI better? Unless you have a source for that I can't trust it. In fact, I can't even use it. Everytime I set it to WASAPI my sounds disappears. As for the volume, I don't know what you're talking about because here is the same volume as always. Unless you messed up somewhere in the settings (like ReClock now playing window "Sound Adaptation") then you shouldn't hear any difference. |
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Parthian said: What about 64-bit codecs and filters? e.g. LAV filters 64-bit better than LAV filters 32-bit? Or other filters with 32-bit and 64-bit versions? It's just as I've said to you. When it comes to video playback x64 hardly makes any difference at all. x64 when implemented in the right way, will make your hardware use your full potential but that's still something that only make significant changes in apps that usually need more RAM (Photoshop, video encoding) etc. Parthian said: No... No... I talked about full version not lite version. Yes. We don't use the full version in this guide, so I still don't get the point in mentioning the update. |
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danuchiha99 said: How do I find the thing you said so I can disable it "(like ReClock now playing window "Sound Adaptation")? And how do I know if my sound card supports ""24 bit int padded to 32"? And should I force Reclock to be loaded as default renderer? Go to the filters list through right-click and click on "ReClock Audio Renderer" and see if you didn't mess with any "Sound Adaptation" options. Basically all modern (and some pretty old ones) support 24-bit int padded to 32. The fact that you can play without a error saying that it doesn't already proved it. That last option is up to your criteria. I use MPC-HC option of Audio renderer so it's useless to me. |
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| Hello Niyawa, I've been having trouble with my KCP install. I have the newest unstable version (5.1.6) and I am unable to play the audio of this release: http://utw.me/2010/03/14/1080p-release-plus-a-few-480p-changes/ I have no doubt it is due to their choice of audio format, but I am at a loss as to what to do. Is there anything I can do to fix this? |
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Reaper71 said: I have no doubt it is due to their choice of audio format, but I am at a loss as to what to do. Is there anything I can do to fix this? Heya. Try changing to LAV Splitter while you play that file. Haali doesn't support TrueHD files. This is also mentioned in this guide FAQ. danuchiha99 said: Can you help me provide the best sound quality, like what kind of filters do I have to use? By the way, I'm playing my videos on my Samsung Plasma HDTV which is connected to my computer, I don't have have any surround sounds or anything, it's meanly stereo for me all the way... And I'm using MPC for playback... Or am I suppose to follow the guide? I'm not sure I could. This guide goes beyond most to make sure you have the best quality playback possible - but that's still within a software level. Which means that for the best of best you'd have to go hardware mode - get a home theater for 5.1 and more, make numerous configurations between output, maybe use resampling or simply try bitexact. The same applies to video quality. You would need a monitor capable of giving a good choice of refresh rate (120 Hz would be my pick, since it's good for games and video playback), also a colorimeter in conjunction with a software so you could calibrate it to a advanced and accurate level. In the end, this guide is still for anime playback, so doing all of those hardly will make too much difference for the average user. |
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Niyawa said: Reaper71 said: I have no doubt it is due to their choice of audio format, but I am at a loss as to what to do. Is there anything I can do to fix this? Heya. Try changing to LAV Splitter while you play that file. Haali doesn't support TrueHD files. This is also mentioned in this guide FAQ. danuchiha99 said: Can you help me provide the best sound quality, like what kind of filters do I have to use? By the way, I'm playing my videos on my Samsung Plasma HDTV which is connected to my computer, I don't have have any surround sounds or anything, it's meanly stereo for me all the way... And I'm using MPC for playback... Or am I suppose to follow the guide? I'm not sure I could. This guide goes beyond most to make sure you have the best quality playback possible - but that's still within a software level. Which means that for the best of best you'd have to go hardware mode - get a home theater for 5.1 and more, make numerous configurations between output, maybe use resampling or simply try bitexact. The same applies to video quality. You would need a monitor capable of giving a good choice of refresh rate (120 Hz would be my pick, since it's good for games and video playback), also a colorimeter in conjunction with a software so you could calibrate it to a advanced and accurate level. In the end, this guide is still for anime playback, so doing all of those hardly will make too much difference for the average user. Thank you very much. I used Kawaii Codec Pack, so I didn't read the guide in-depth. |
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TocoToucan said: Why don't you use WASAPI Exclusive audio output in ReClock? I better explain this before people start asking. WASAPI AFAIK is a more advanced and improved version of DirectSound, but it also has it's drawbacks. One of them is what I already mentioned - the performance factor. Most audiophiles don't comment on this but WASAPI doesn't really go well with onboard sound cards for whatever reason (and that is what most people have). The other are some more annoying side effects such as the sound being exclusive to the player which means that when you're using WASAPI, Windows won't be able to get sound around anywhere else. There is also other things which I don't remember now since I'm not so interested in this, but you can always look up a little and learn about it. I will make a mention of it so people can be aware of the issues, but I'm not going to make it the default choice. HudsonHawk said: I guess the videocard is the weakest link in the laptop. What is your guess? Good to know you liked it! I always appreciate a positive feedback. Well, going by your GPU specs I would say "Mid" is the more appropriate for it. You can try "High" but you might get some frame drops while upscaling 720p with it (if you use upscale at all). |
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| Thx for this awesome guide. It's all working fine with the exception of some details. I don't really see that many options under madVR settings. However I do see the filters and I get the same confirmation when pressing ctrl + j There is indeed a better quality, at least on my laptop. I suppose the difference will be bigger on my HD tv. This should be made sticky. Thank you. I've been using CCCP + ZOOM player / GOM player for years now. |
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bloodlover said: I don't really see that many options under madVR settings. I'm happy to know that it's working for you. Could you be a little more specific about this? When you mean you don't see many options in madVR, what exactly I should be looking for in that? You don't literally see the option (they are always covered by a little arrow) or you mean it doesn't have that much of option customization? |
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| I don't have the Smooth option under Rendering. edit: Not really... I just took the download links from the first post. Is there a way to update it without reinstalling the whole thing all over again? edit nr 2: Seems that the version I had was up to date. Still can't see the option. Oh well... |
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bloodlover said: I don't have the Smooth option under Rendering. Heh... did you update your madVR? It was only implemented after version 0.86. Edit: Well, what you have to do is just paste all the new madVR files over the folder you installed and re-open the video to load the new ones. Make sure you're using version 0.86.1. Edit 2: Okay, give me a screenshot of your madVR window with all the arrows down (everything opened just like this). Also use a new post so I can get a notification, it's kinda hard having to check every 10 minutes. |
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bloodlover said: http://i.imgur.com/vZNshPi.jpg?1 There is definitely something wrong, are you sure you're really using the up to date version? Give me just another one like this. |
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| Ok this is strange. Says I am using the old version but I downloaded and installed the new one O.o I think I figured it though. I first installed KCP and then downloaded the rest of the apps individually. Could this be the problem? I'll just need to do a fresh install of everything I guess. |
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bloodlover said: I think I figured it though. I first installed KCP and then downloaded the rest of the apps individually. Could this be the problem? I thought it would be something like that. There's no problem using KCP but you need to make sure you put everything in the same folder KCP has been installed. If you installed KCP stable then you're currently using madVR 0.85.x, so what you will do (or should have done) is download the madVR 0.86.1 and extract it to the same folder of KCP's madVR. Not anywhere else. If you want I can do the job for you through remote support so everything will go alright. |
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| It worked ^.^ Thx a lot. edit: Can't wait to see the difference on the big screen tomorrow. |
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bloodlover said: It worked ^.^ Thx a lot. Good to know! Just for the record, the reason it didn't worked was because KCP had already registered madVR in it's folder, so it didn't matter where you put it, it had to be at the same place the filter was registered. Keep that in mind if you plan to update anything else like LAV filters later. |
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HudsonHawk said: Wow... Great and excellent tutorial / guide to set up MPC-HC! I used several different ones in the past, however most of them were (almost) never kept up to date. This is great. I will be using the "Recommended" setting my HTPC (which has enough power). For my laptop (which we use in the bedroom to watch movies), I think I have to choose the "Prefferred" option. What do you think? - Intel Core i7 2630QM (4C / 8T) - GeForce GT540M - 12 GB RAM I guess the videocard is the weakest link in the laptop. What is your guess? ...and once again thank you for thix excellent tutorial / guide! I have a laptop that is half the power of that (A10-4600m, 7660g, 8 GB RAM) and I can play 10 bit 1080p fine on the High preset of KCP. Highest presents some problems, but High is fine. I'd assume your machine is better. |
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Reaper71 said: I have a laptop that is half the power of that (A10-4600m, 7660g, 8 GB RAM) and I can play 10 bit 1080p fine on the High preset of KCP. Highest presents some problems, but High is fine. I'd assume your machine is better. Well, that laptop is using Trinity, so even with half the power, the new architecture makes up for it. But yeah, going a little more advance in the specs he would probably be fine with High too, I just don't know if he would be able to upscale up to 1080p using AR with Chroma Upscaling. |
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Niyawa said: Reaper71 said: I have a laptop that is half the power of that (A10-4600m, 7660g, 8 GB RAM) and I can play 10 bit 1080p fine on the High preset of KCP. Highest presents some problems, but High is fine. I'd assume your machine is better. Well, that laptop is using Trinity, so even with half the power, the new architecture makes up for it. But yeah, going a little more advance in the specs he would probably be fine with High too, I just don't know if he would be able to upscale up to 1080p using AR with Chroma Upscaling. My brother has a machine with a Sandy Bridge i7-2670QM and Intel HD Graphics 3000, and he can play 1080p 10bit on High as well. |
Reaper71Mar 20, 2013 8:16 PM
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Reaper71 said: My brother has a machine with a Sandy Bridge i7-2670QM and Intel HD Graphics 3000, and he can play 1080p 10bit on High as well. An Intel HD 4000 can play up to Highest with the right settings, I'm not surprised a 3000 which is about 20% less faster couldn't do the same at High. |
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Niyawa said: Reaper71 said: My brother has a machine with a Sandy Bridge i7-2670QM and Intel HD Graphics 3000, and he can play 1080p 10bit on High as well. An Intel HD 4000 can play up to Highest with the right settings, I'm not surprised a 3000 which is about 20% less faster couldn't do the same at High. Ahh, I see. Alright then. Thank you for answering my questions. |
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bloodlover said: http://i.imgur.com/vZNshPi.jpg?1 Off topic: bloodlover, what is this anime background picture? |
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blacklynx said: Off topic: bloodlover, what is this anime background picture? Never crossed in your mind that a comment on his profile or a PM would be WAY more effective than asking him in a thread whereas you don't have any idea he would see it or not? Also, that seems to be original animation, someone correct me if I'm wrong. Little update for everyone. I'm working on the version 5.3 and I have a new avatar. Yay. I'm not too happy about it, because I don't like the colors. If you all know a skilled artist - call me. I have some work for him. Back on topic. I'll be updating the chart to version 2.1 but it won't change that much aside from the explanations on the own image instead of the text. I'm looking for a way to make more clear how smooth motion works and what options would be best for it. But since it's still a new feature and it has some bugs on it I won't recommend it for everyday use especially if you have issues with it. The screenshots are also being worked on, I'm looking for a new style (I'm a sucker for looks) so expect a fresh look on some of them. I'm also working on a "side" version of this guide that has been totally rewrote from scratch to match the apps. As you all know, this current one is still based on nand's original so I can only go so long to extend it. The same will apply to the FAQ. It will be integrated in the guide itself. The reason I'm doing this is simply because people seem to forgot that I have a FAQ section at all. We see the same questions over and over in this thread. Most of them were already answered too. The most popular is regarding Haali compatibility with TrueHD files. You probably already memorized that one. Also... if you guys know any "real-time" bbcode editor, it would help a lot. It's hard to mess with everything through codes and even though I'm used to it. Time is not my friend now so I would like to have my workspace to be easiest as possible to deal with. I haven't found any app like that thus I'm asking for help looking for it. That's all I have for now. And as always, thanks for using this guide. |
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SolunaKitty said: Fonts do not show up properly using Haali, so when there are ordered chapters, I have to decide between having the OP/ED and using the intended font. I hope that this gets fixed. This is out of my reach. Haali is the one who doesn't get updated, so your only solution is to use LAV Splitter. Soon we'll have LAV supporting O.C so deal with that workaround for a while. Hollow_Byakuya said: thank YOU for making this guide ^^ Okay, thanks myself. |
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Parthian said: Niyawa, I watch Naruto Shippuuden releases from Taka Fansubs. My archive is 480p and Taka releases are both 480p and 720p. Good to switch from 480p to 720p? If you have a CRT monitor then the differences between them won't be as much as noticeable than a LCD one. Also, Naruto is natively 480p, which means that the 720p version is actually an upscale. Parthian said: Does PotPlayer has same bugs like KMPlayer? Or it's a improved KMPlayer? PotPlayer is an improved version of KMPlayer. If I recall correctly it's also done from the same developer. I will probably make a PotPlayer guide but only after I make all the necessary changes and improvements I've been willing to do with MPC-HC guide. PotPlayer has way more options to personalize so it will take a lot more of my time to keep it updated and help other people especially since I'm not an everyday user of it. I'm not sure if it was you or someone else, but I was asked to a .pdf version of this guide. It's not gonna happen now, not from me at least. I don't have any PDF editor and I hardly have ever touched any. Learning how to deal with that right now is not in my schedule either. If someone wants to volunteer to do that then I would be happy to help in any way I can. |
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danuchiha99 said: When can we be expecting the updated of this guide? And what is the recommended media player for 10bit playback? I will update it when any of the said used components in this guide (aside from MPC-HC) is updated. Also, it's pretty clear this guide was made for MPC-HC playback by the title, thus meaning that is the one considered the best one for 10-bit playback. |
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| After following this guide after using the bishoujoproject guide I have noticed an overall improvement. However, It seems to be a hit and miss. Sometimes the video and audio playback will be perfect and others it will be jittery and lag. I'm using the reccomended settings you advised, so do you have any idea why this is happening? I have the Samsung NP700G7C, Intel Core i7 3610QM @2.3GHz and 16GB RAM so I should be able to achieve top playback? Cheers |
callannn said: I have the Samsung NP700G7C, Intel Core i7 3610QM @2.3GHz and 16GB RAM so I should be able to achieve top playback? You forgot to mention the most important of all others: GPU. But I'm a good guy so I made a search of the specs of that Samsung and you have a GTX 675M, which is a high-end card and pretty powerful. What I can tell you is that you may need to tune your settings a little to make sure you're using the GPU to it's full potential. Backbuffers, queues and other options in madVR will vary a lot the performance of your card. Check madVR OSD while messing with those and see which combination gives you the closest average miliseconds to 0.00. If you're using the Recommended settings, then make sure your laptop is charging. If you're using it only on battery, the GPU will enter in low-power mode (regardless of Windows settings) which will make some of your videos unwatchable. |
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Niyawa said: You forgot to mention the most important of all others: GPU. But I'm a good guy so I made a search of the specs of that Samsung and you have a GTX 675M, which is a high-end card and pretty powerful. Ahh I thought I thought I forgot to mention something important, but thank you for looking it up aha. Niyawa said: Check madVR OSD while messing with those and see which combination gives you the closest average miliseconds to 0.00. I'll definitely have a look at the settings and see what I can come up with. Niyawa said: If you're using the Recommended settings, then make sure your laptop is charging. If you're using it only on battery, the GPU will enter in low-power mode (regardless of Windows settings) which will make some of your videos unwatchable. I wasn't aware of this, which was probably the cause of the lag. I have just played back a video with charger plugged in and not in and the lag is definitely because of the lack of the charger. I will still have a look at MadVR's settings though just in case. Can I just quickly ask what the difference is between the MadVR settings you suggest and the one's suggested in the bishoujoproject guide? In the other guide he mentions that his settings are designed to get the most sharp picture, so what are the settings you suggest mainly aimed at as they seem to differ greatly from those? |
callannn said: Can I just quickly ask what the difference is between the MadVR settings you suggest and the one's suggested in the bishoujoproject guide? In the other guide he mentions that his settings are designed to get the most sharp picture, so what are the settings you suggest mainly aimed at as they seem to differ greatly from those? I and most people just want accurate picture. Bishoujou's configuration is based on a "what I can see" which is not exactly accurate. I made those 5 presets which will give you up to the technical level - the most accurate image possible. Not sharp or smooth, just accurate like it's supposed to be. With the help of madshi himself and other users of the Doom9 forum which gave suggestions regarding the performance needed for each one. Basically, if you follow Bishoujou's lead, you might like the image but that will give horrible ringing (even with AR on) in most cases and they use 4 taps which is a performance eater without any real clear gain. At least they mention that most GPUs won't be on par with that, so not so much of an issue. |
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danuchiha99 said: Do you recommend turning on the DXVA2 copy-back option in LAV Video Decoder, or will that make my videos look more uglier, because I have AMD stuff and my average dropped frame is about 20 (but I don't think that matters)... It will really depend on either your GPU is up or not for the job. I don't know what GPU you have though. |
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danuchiha99 said: Oh, sorry, um, my whole CPU is AMD A6- 3620, 8 GB ram, AMD HD Radeon 6530... that's basically it... But if you want to know more, I can give you a link? APU huh? Pretty low end. What preset for madVR are you using again? I wouldn't recommend anything higher than Low. |
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| danuchiha99, what speed RAM are you running? That makes a huge difference for the APU graphics. |
danuchiha99 said: Im actually using High lol Wtf that's impossible dude. Unless I misread the specs it should only go up to Mid... I should probably check some benchmarks then. danuchiha99 said: What do you mean by "Speed of RAM"? DDR2, or DDR3, and the MHz of it. I have a DDR2 RAM with 400 Mhz for example. You can usually only know with specific software like CPU-Z or Windows 8 Task Manager. |
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