TheBrainintheJar said: Mikasa said: There was a rumor in Muslim countries in the 2000s that Pokemon was an Israeli product. The fucking Minister of Education in Iraq had to go on TV to explain that Charmandee did not mean some Israeli subliminal message. In Jordan and Syria it was still ongoing until Digimon along. Lays was boycotted for having these gift-discs that featured pokemon collection pictures (they were popular) So, there you have it, entire nations offended by anime based on their beliefs. I'm far from being a fan of Islam, but you're putting out very lame strawman. A 'real Muslim' is already bad enough, especially because you don't bother to define it. I'd expect some knowledge of Islam before that. Then again, there are a lot of ultra-orthodox Jews who act like they never read the Ten Commandments. But it should be obvious Islam's beef (or pork? excuse me for the joke) is with religious drawings, not drawings in general and with sexuality. I wonder what yhunta's stance on sexual content, by the way - how far is too far for him. Younsound like some anti-semite. Islam's problem was with drawings in general. Yhunata lives in Maldives, far removed from the real "scene" of islam. Humans cannot be drawn. But forget that. Let's see facts, Arab countries boycotted anime for religious reasons, as did the people. |
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| Nah I don't really get offended by stuff like that honestly. I don't even think I've ever seen an anime where whoever god is, is actually a true force of good and whoever the devil is, is evil. For some reason they always seem to feel some need to reverse it as if it isn't usually that way in anime or something. It's just a story though, no need to get all upset about it I don't think. |
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| Hey I came here to read a nice flamewar and I actually get some very interesting posts ! TY to the people that are seriously discussing stuff here ;). So let's just say I'm atheist because apparently it turned into a religion thread. Since there aren't many pot-head new-age love-is-all all hail god anime out there, I can't be offended by that. But the title said beliefs and while I usually don't drop shows, I can be offended by the meaning of certain shows or scenes, especially since I like to dig a bit and slap a meaning onto everything. A simple example would be Eureka Seven. Yeah I know, it's a loved show, but I couldn't help thinking that the whole meaning of the show was "girls are weaklings in need of a white knight". The show was a pain because of that (not the only problem tbh), and I enjoyed very few parts of it :/. |
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| I wouldnt if it offended my beliefs, because it is FICTION 'All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.' same sort of thing but with beliefs. |
| No i wouldn't as long as the anime is good and the plot,characters are enjoyable i wouldn't drop it regardless of what my beliefs are. |
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| I thought this thread wouldn't be about religion ar first. The answer would depend, but mostly no. |
Mikasa said: TheBrainintheJar said: I'm far from being a fan of Islam, but you're putting out very lame strawman. A 'real Muslim' is already bad enough, especially because you don't bother to define it. I'd expect some knowledge of Islam before that. Then again, there are a lot of ultra-orthodox Jews who act like they never read the Ten Commandments. But it should be obvious Islam's beef (or pork? excuse me for the joke) is with religious drawings, not drawings in general and with sexuality. I wonder what yhunta's stance on sexual content, by the way - how far is too far for him. Younsound like some anti-semite. Islam's problem was with drawings in general. Yhunata lives in Maldives, far removed from the real "scene" of islam. Humans cannot be drawn. But forget that. Let's see facts, Arab countries boycotted anime for religious reasons, as did the people. "some Ultra-orthodox Jews" is vastly different than "All Jews". I live in Israel, so I often hear stories of violence by the Haredim at other groups (soldiers, Muslims, gays). If Islam has problems with all forms of drawing, I'd like to see evidence for it. What is the Quranic verse that forbids it? You don't have to work hard to convince me. I know plenty of Quranic verses against women and gays and other groups. I just haven't found one which is against all forms of visual art. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Mikasa said: Younsound like some anti-semite. Islam's problem was with drawings in general. Yhunata lives in Maldives, far removed from the real "scene" of islam. Humans cannot be drawn. But forget that. Let's see facts, Arab countries boycotted anime for religious reasons, as did the people. "some Ultra-orthodox Jews" is vastly different than "All Jews". I live in Israel, so I often hear stories of violence by the Haredim at other groups (soldiers, Muslims, gays). If Islam has problems with all forms of drawing, I'd like to see evidence for it. What is the Quranic verse that forbids it? You don't have to work hard to convince me. I know plenty of Quranic verses against women and gays and other groups. I just haven't found one which is against all forms of visual art. You have so e pretty cranked up logic. It's not about text, it's about how the group acts. Fact is, many muslims are against drawing humans whether it's written or not. Look up the controversies I mentioned above. Not gonna spoon feed you further. Clebardman said: Hey I came here to read a nice flamewar and I actually get some very interesting posts ! TY to the people that are seriously discussing stuff here ;). So let's just say I'm atheist because apparently it turned into a religion thread. Since there aren't many pot-head new-age love-is-all all hail god anime out there, I can't be offended by that. But the title said beliefs and while I usually don't drop shows, I can be offended by the meaning of certain shows or scenes, especially since I like to dig a bit and slap a meaning onto everything. A simple example would be Eureka Seven. Yeah I know, it's a loved show, but I couldn't help thinking that the whole meaning of the show was "girls are weaklings in need of a white knight". The show was a pain because of that (not the only problem tbh), and I enjoyed very few parts of it :/. Yeah I like to keep my threads mature and on point. No problem. So did you drop the show because it was sexist? |
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| [quote=Mikasa] TheBrainintheJar said: Yeah I like to keep my threads mature and on point. No problem. So did you drop the show because it was sexist? No, just like books I can't stop once I started a show. but I should have since with 50 episodes it's the longest show I've watched (let's not count DBZ). I had some hope for the MC but all he does is go through a never ending circle of "I'm not worthy of her/I will save her" while being the biggest douchebag ever. The fights were plagued by meh readability and ridiculously obvious plot immunity, and anything that looked meaningful in the serie was left on a shelf to catch dust 2 episodes later... |
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Mikasa said: TheBrainintheJar said: "some Ultra-orthodox Jews" is vastly different than "All Jews". I live in Israel, so I often hear stories of violence by the Haredim at other groups (soldiers, Muslims, gays). If Islam has problems with all forms of drawing, I'd like to see evidence for it. What is the Quranic verse that forbids it? You don't have to work hard to convince me. I know plenty of Quranic verses against women and gays and other groups. I just haven't found one which is against all forms of visual art. You have so e pretty cranked up logic. It's not about text, it's about how the group acts. Fact is, many muslims are against drawing humans whether it's written or not. Look up the controversies I mentioned above. Not gonna spoon feed you further. Clebardman said: Hey I came here to read a nice flamewar and I actually get some very interesting posts ! TY to the people that are seriously discussing stuff here ;). So let's just say I'm atheist because apparently it turned into a religion thread. Since there aren't many pot-head new-age love-is-all all hail god anime out there, I can't be offended by that. But the title said beliefs and while I usually don't drop shows, I can be offended by the meaning of certain shows or scenes, especially since I like to dig a bit and slap a meaning onto everything. A simple example would be Eureka Seven. Yeah I know, it's a loved show, but I couldn't help thinking that the whole meaning of the show was "girls are weaklings in need of a white knight". The show was a pain because of that (not the only problem tbh), and I enjoyed very few parts of it :/. Yeah I like to keep my threads mature and on point. No problem. So did you drop the show because it was sexist? Muslim behavior and Islamic teachings are too different things. They're related, of course. Muslim behavior should mirror Islamic teachings, but human beings are too varied and messy to follow them to closely. Sticking to your ideology 100% is very hard. You need to choose your topic. Muslim behavior, or Islamic teachings? |
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| If you read carefully, thread is about being offended by anime based on beliefs. Beliefs. Regardless of the source material. examples: The muslim controversy where they protested en masse. |
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| I never realised, but no I wouldn't. I DESPISE religion and yet I watch a lot of anime involving gods, angels, devils, and/or demons. Nicholas D. Wolfwood is also a favorite character of mine and his gun is shaped like the cross of christianity, the religion I detest the most. On the other hand, I did drop A Certain Magical Index because it's nothing but pedophilia... hmm. |
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| No, because I'm not insecure about my beliefs. But with that said, if the entire point of a series is merely to mock and ridicule things for no purpose but to mock and ridicule things, it's unlikely I'll pick it up in the first place. |
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| Of course not. FMA:B is my second favorite show, and the only show that I've seen (so far) that I consider to be a masterpiece. The protagonist is an atheist and in that second episode he points out almost all the major flaws of organized religion. I'm a devout Catholic and I'm absolutely fine about it. I find it worse when people of my faith don't acknowledge our religion's flaws and condemn every piece of criticism or any joke that comes our way. |
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| I like it when stuff challenges my beliefs so if the level of offence is within reason it would make me want to watch it even more if anything. |
| If my(I) belief(ve) is that the anime is bad enough and doesn't warrant a 'continue?', it's dropped. Witteh. But seriously though, seriously seriously, I can watch an anime that stigmatizes Mental Health and not be offended to actually drop it. So no. |
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| Never for more than feel offended, drop an anime would be even more offensive to my dignity. |
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| I wouldn't drop it since the only anime that has offended my belief system so far is Mob Psycho 100. |
| luckly there hasn't been too many instances of this but I remember dropping Vampire Holmes for this reason. |
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CapitalistGod said: I wouldn't drop it since the only anime that has offended my belief system so far is Mob Psycho 100. How the hell did a anime like Mob Psycho 100 did that? |
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HyperL said: CapitalistGod said: I wouldn't drop it since the only anime that has offended my belief system so far is Mob Psycho 100. How the hell did a anime like Mob Psycho 100 did that? It preaches humility as a virtue. In fact Reigen really hammers it at the head of Shigeo. I hate that. I consider pride too important of a virtue. |
CapitalistGod said: It preaches humility as a virtue. In fact Reigen really hammers it at the head of Shigeo. I hate that. I consider pride too important of a virtue. Would you then encourage Mob to use his more his powers and be proud of how he was born? |
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HyperL said: CapitalistGod said: It preaches humility as a virtue. In fact Reigen really hammers it at the head of Shigeo. I hate that. I consider pride too important of a virtue. Would you then encourage Mob to use his more his powers and be proud of how he was born? Of course. ANother thing I hate about the series is how it paints pride in the bad light. The various villains in this show has one thing in common and that is pride. |
Otaku-Gunso said: huh 0o what was so offensive in Vampire Holmes?luckly there hasn't been too many instances of this but I remember dropping Vampire Holmes for this reason. |
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| I am a muslim and there are animes defying Islam (not directly) but I am not offended because of that. I think everyone should believe what they like to believe. |
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| Nah I love to watch anime and haven't watched anything that made me offended in such a way :3 |
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CapitalistGod said: HyperL said: Would you then encourage Mob to use his more his powers and be proud of how he was born? Of course. ANother thing I hate about the series is how it paints pride in the bad light. The various villains in this show has one thing in common and that is pride. They do have pride, but that pride is mixed with fear from facing reality...Their pride is a mechanism to escape the fact that they're no better than anybody...And the message the anime teaches is that no matter who you are or what you can do, it doesn't justify any wrongdoings... |
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| i'm not sensitive westerner, so i wont get offended |
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Mikasa said: Yhunata lives in Maldives, far removed from the real "scene" of islam. I usually don't respond after so late, but this is just so outrageous, I can't keep quiet. The "real scene" of Islam? Maldives has been a 100% Islamic country for almost 900 years now. It's as much a "real scene" of Islam as any other. Seriously, stop speaking out your ass. |
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yhunata said: Mikasa said: Yhunata lives in Maldives, far removed from the real "scene" of islam. I usually don't respond after so late, but this is just so outrageous, I can't keep quiet. The "real scene" of Islam? Maldives has been a 100% Islamic country for almost 900 years now. It's as much a "real scene" of Islam as any other. Seriously, stop speaking out your ass. It's been an Islamic country for a long time, but is geographically isolated from its influences throughout the mainland regions. (e.g. ISIS) Just because it does not happen where you live doesn't mean it doesn't exist. All the more reason for its validity is that you represent a very small minority. Does Islam (or the overwhelming majority thereof) have a problem with portrayal of humans and art in general? Yes. Even Sculptures are viewed as "playing god." |
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Mikasa said: yhunata said: I usually don't respond after so late, but this is just so outrageous, I can't keep quiet. The "real scene" of Islam? Maldives has been a 100% Islamic country for almost 900 years now. It's as much a "real scene" of Islam as any other. Seriously, stop speaking out your ass. It's been an Islamic country for a long time, but is geographically isolated from its influences throughout the mainland regions. (e.g. ISIS) Just because it does not happen where you live doesn't mean it doesn't exist. All the more reason for its validity is that you represent a very small minority. Does Islam (or the overwhelming majority thereof) have a problem with portrayal of humans and art in general? Yes. Even Sculptures are viewed as "playing god." My problem here isn't with the teachings. My problem here is with the fact that you're dismissing almost 900 years of my country's history for some dumbass reason. The fact that Maldives is in South Asia does not make us any less "real" than Saudi Arabia. Also, while we're on this, if the viewing of anime is haram, then wouldn't the "real scene" of Islam have banned it? Yet, anime is incredibly popular in Saudi Arabia and it's clearly legal over there, since they do dub it in Arabic. As far as the teachings go, the entire thing is very complicated. For one, I can't find any verses that state that drawing is haram. I have found websites who says there are hadiths that drawing animated figures is haram, but that is the "Music is haram" thing all over again. |
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| Atheism isn't a belief lol... Anyway, no, nothing in fiction is really offensive to me, it's not real, so I cant care I've never even considered dropping an anime for a reason like that |
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| If I dropped every anime just because it offends me, about 3/4 of my list would have been in the 'dropped' category, especially Pokemon but I'm not going to get into that. I don't get offended by cartoons. They are entertainment, not to be taken seriously. Edit: People get offended by every damn thing nowadays. I live by the motto in my signature. |
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EcchiLordMamster said: Atheism isn't a belief lol... Anyway, no, nothing in fiction is really offensive to me, it's not real, so I cant care I've never even considered dropping an anime for a reason like that Yes, it is. It's the belief that there is no god. There is no proof that God doesn't exist, which means Atheists have faith that He doesn't exist. |
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Apoc_Revolution said: EcchiLordMamster said: Atheism isn't a belief lol... Anyway, no, nothing in fiction is really offensive to me, it's not real, so I cant care I've never even considered dropping an anime for a reason like that Yes, it is. It's the belief that there is no god. There is no proof that God doesn't exist, which means Atheists have faith that He doesn't exist. ok, clearly a troll answer.... so i won't even bother responding lol..... |
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EcchiLordMamster said: Apoc_Revolution said: Yes, it is. It's the belief that there is no god. There is no proof that God doesn't exist, which means Atheists have faith that He doesn't exist. ok, clearly a troll answer.... so i won't even bother responding lol..... You showed a good example of why the word 'troll' has lost its meaning. Anyone who disagrees is apparently a troll. |
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Apoc_Revolution said: You showed a good example of why the word 'troll' has lost its meaning. Anyone who disagrees is apparently a troll.[/color][/i] atheism is NOT a belief, its a lack of belief..... believing theres no god and not believing theres a god are NOT the same thing..... but both are atheism saying someone is not guilty is not the same thing as saying theyre innocent, most atheists are in the equivalent of not guilty, there for we do not necessarily believe there isn't a god, we just don't believe there is one |
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| I don't think there have been any religious controversies in anime fandom. Guess us anime fans are more intelligent than that. And anime has never hurt any of my "beliefs" (If I have any, I'm atheist) There is some pretty badass vibe about anime having religious theme them (if there is), Take NGE and Death Note for example. |
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EcchiLordMamster said: Apoc_Revolution said: You showed a good example of why the word 'troll' has lost its meaning. Anyone who disagrees is apparently a troll.[/color][/i] atheism is NOT a belief, its a lack of belief..... believing theres no god and not believing theres a god are NOT the same thing..... but both are atheism saying someone is not guilty is not the same thing as saying theyre innocent, most atheists are in the equivalent of not guilty, there for we do not necessarily believe there isn't a god, we just don't believe there is one EcchiLordMamster said: Apoc_Revolution said: You showed a good example of why the word 'troll' has lost its meaning. Anyone who disagrees is apparently a troll.[/color][/i] atheism is NOT a belief, its a lack of belief..... believing theres no god and not believing theres a god are NOT the same thing..... but both are atheism saying someone is not guilty is not the same thing as saying theyre innocent, most atheists are in the equivalent of not guilty, there for we do not necessarily believe there isn't a god, we just don't believe there is one I see your point, but what you're saying about believing there is no god and not believing there is a god makes no sense. It's essentially the same thing. The only difference is whether they lack belief or not. So in a way, Atheism is both belief and lack of belief. |
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Apoc_Revolution said: I see your point, but what you're saying about believing there is no god and not believing there is a god makes no sense. It's essentially the same thing. The only difference is whether they lack belief or not. So in a way, Atheism is both belief and lack of belief.[/color][/i] NO... not guilty and innocent are NOT essentially the same thing... a not guilty person can still be guilty, an innocent person cannot just because you don't believe someone is guilty doesn't mean you believe theyre innocent, it just means you can't prove theyre guilty again, almost all atheists fall into not guilty. almost no atheist is going to tell you they know for sure there is no god, no atheist can prove god isn't real, therefore its not a belief, its a lack of belief not believing something is not a belief @Phendrus dictionaries do not tell you what words mean, they tell you how words are used that is agnostic atheism agnosticism can be for both atheists and theists an agnostic atheist is almost every atheist an agnostic theist would be someone who believes theres a god but doesn't know for sure most theists claim to know for sure theres a god, most atheists do not claim to know for sure there isn't one you cannot be only agnostic, you have to be an agnostic for one or the other |
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EcchiLordMamster said: Apoc_Revolution said: I see your point, but what you're saying about believing there is no god and not believing there is a god makes no sense. It's essentially the same thing. The only difference is whether they lack belief or not. So in a way, Atheism is both belief and lack of belief.[/color][/i] NO... not guilty and innocent are NOT essentially the same thing... a not guilty person can still be guilty, an innocent person cannot just because you don't believe someone is guilty doesn't mean you believe theyre innocent, it just means you can't prove theyre guilty again, almost all atheists fall into not guilty. almost no atheist is going to tell you they know for sure there is no god, no atheist can prove god isn't real, therefore its not a belief, its a lack of belief not believing something is not a belief I didn't say that it was. This is about belief, not innocence. Again, what you're saying doesn't make sense. A not guilty person can only be "guilty" if people unjustly charge them for crimes they did not commit. In actuality, they're innocent. EcchiLordMamster said: @Phendrus dictionaries do not tell you what words mean, they tell you how words are used that is agnostic atheism agnosticism can be for both atheists and theists an agnostic atheist is almost every atheist an agnostic theist would be someone who believes theres a god but doesn't know for sure most theists claim to know for sure theres a god, most atheists do not claim to know for sure there isn't one you cannot be only agnostic, you have to be an agnostic for one or the other Actually, not all dictionary sites tell you how words are used. Only some, like Urban dictionary. You can't be an Agnostic and an Atheist or Theist at the same time, that's not logical. Like Phendrus said, the very definition of Agnosticism, is believing in neither without any bias. Obviously if you're an Atheist or Theist, that clashes. Oh, I've seen a lot of Atheists claiming that there is no god. Too many to count. |
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