| Well, I wouldn't say toe to toe. He put on a struggle and was defeated. Also, it was stated that Roger had major luck during the fight with Shiki, as a giant storm came by and swept like 90% of Shiki's fleet, thus earning him the wheel in the head in all the chaos. So, it's all very relative. It's cool to compare, but I doubt we can give a clear picture and diagram of strength between the hc players. Also I was dissapointed in seeing nothing special in everyone of the "captains of the new world" in the war of the best. Not even one haki use. That whole war was highely imbalanced and subjective in approach. |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
| Anyone remember before the time-skip dragon telling Ivankov to prepare the captains or something similar? He mentioned that soon they would have to make their move with wb dead the balance in power had shifted to the government. Well that's been two years now, so they should be making their move soon I would think. |
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| ^ shifted to the government ? Think about the shichibukai and admirals. There's no Aokiji anymore. I would say it's a stalemate but no one is smart enough to realize it so it's a slaughter house now. I could even say the pirates have a slight advantage with Blackbeard going so far ahead |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
| In response to the initial question....I wanna see everything XD. But for starters I want to see SH vs someone equal in power so that we can see the true extents of their power level (like we saw them in Arabasta or in CP9 if you want). The 2nd thing I wanna see is the 2 new admirals. I honestly hope it's not Coby and Helmepo. I wonder if Oda will keep the theme of the 3 basic colours with the admirals(red/yellow/blue). I wanna see what abilities the new admirals will have that can match up to the older admirals (is oda really capapble of coming up with even more Logia whose level is at that of Ice and Magma?) |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
Kanic said: In response to the initial question....I wanna see everything XD. But for starters I want to see SH vs someone equal in power so that we can see the true extents of their power level (like we saw them in Arabasta or in CP9 if you want). The 2nd thing I wanna see is the 2 new admirals. I honestly hope it's not Coby and Helmepo. I wonder if Oda will keep the theme of the 3 basic colours with the admirals(red/yellow/blue). I wanna see what abilities the new admirals will have that can match up to the older admirals (is oda really capapble of coming up with even more Logia whose level is at that of Ice and Magma?) Same here. I wonder if Magellan could possibly be a contender for Admiral? I really really hope Coby and Helmeppo aren't admirals now. That would be ridiculous, as I still don't see Luffy beating an admiral for a while, and that would just be,.. lame. The only real other Logias I could think that would match those colors, would be water, lightning(almost impossible since enel is on the moon or something, besides Kizaru's still around) and for red, that's tough. We've already seen fire and magma, so.. idk. Maybe just a really powerful paramecia like explosion or something? Maybe a plasma logia? Plasma is in everything from lightning to lava, so that would be interesting. Though I don't really think that Oda would HAVE to keep them red,yellow,blue, though it would be cool. |
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luffydragneel said: Same here. I wonder if Magellan could possibly be a contender for Admiral? I really really hope Coby and Helmeppo aren't admirals now. That would be ridiculous, as I still don't see Luffy beating an admiral for a while, and that would just be,.. lame. The only real other Logias I could think that would match those colors, would be water, lightning(almost impossible since enel is on the moon or something, besides Kizaru's still around) and for red, that's tough. We've already seen fire and magma, so.. idk. Maybe just a really powerful paramecia like explosion or something? Maybe a plasma logia? Plasma is in everything from lightning to lava, so that would be interesting. Though I don't really think that Oda would HAVE to keep them red,yellow,blue, though it would be cool. In the side-stories(on the cover of the chapters) we saw what happened with Magelan. He became vice-warden and his previous assistant (what his name , that pharaoh looking guy, Hanyabal?? I think) became the warden. So Magelan retired giving the seat to his subordinate and in return Hanyabal rehired Magelan. So Magelan is a no. Well, during the BB-speculation thread we talked about how the Mera-Mera fruit might reincarnate itself soo, that's red maybe. As for blue..well, I dunno. I just hope that the new admirals aren't some disinteresting X-vice admirals that we have already seen and Rokushiki+Zoan is all they can do. Explosions have also been shown, it's Mr.5 from arabasta(bomb-man). I can see Plasma, though it's a bit too generic and abstract I can see it. |
KanicOct 13, 2012 5:05 AM
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
Kanic said: luffydragneel said: Same here. I wonder if Magellan could possibly be a contender for Admiral? I really really hope Coby and Helmeppo aren't admirals now. That would be ridiculous, as I still don't see Luffy beating an admiral for a while, and that would just be,.. lame. The only real other Logias I could think that would match those colors, would be water, lightning(almost impossible since enel is on the moon or something, besides Kizaru's still around) and for red, that's tough. We've already seen fire and magma, so.. idk. Maybe just a really powerful paramecia like explosion or something? Maybe a plasma logia? Plasma is in everything from lightning to lava, so that would be interesting. Though I don't really think that Oda would HAVE to keep them red,yellow,blue, though it would be cool. In the side-stories(on the cover of the chapters) we saw what happened with Magelan. He became vice-warden and his previous assistant (what his name , that pharaoh looking guy, Hanyabal?? I think) became the warden. So Magelan retired giving the seat to his subordinate and in return Hanyabal rehired Magelan. So Magelan is a no. Well, during the BB-speculation thread we talked about how the Mera-Mera fruit might reincarnate itself soo, that's red maybe. As for blue..well, I dunno. I just hope that the new admirals aren't some disinteresting X-vice admirals that we have already seen and Rokushiki+Zoan is all they can do. Explosions have also been shown, it's Mr.5 from arabasta(bomb-man). I can see Plasma, though it's a bit too generic and abstract I can see it. Oh right, I thought I'd seen explosions before but wasn't sure. I didn't see that side-story with Magellan, my bad. I've heard people mention that it takes 50 years for a fruit to reincarnate? Maybe they were just speculating or sth. That would be REALLY interesting though, for Luffy to have go up against his own brother's powers. Also, if Dragon doesn't have a wind/sky logia, then sky could technically be considered blue, right? Though wind is often depicted as green. |
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| ^Dragon: speculation about his fruit: Weather/Sky/Storm/Gale. If it's not sky then yeah, Sora-Sora no mi sounds good, but what would it's powers be if not weather(which is dragon's power). |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| Yeah I believe Dragon more than likely has weather control as a whole. He pinpointed a lightning bolt at buggy and has used wind to blow back soldiers, so that's a whole spectrum of weather. So yeah, most likely sky is out. I was gonna say maybe an air fruit, but caesar has already shown he can control the air within a certain distance. Though I guess it is possible for someone to have a sky fruit. Magma and fire are very similar, but one is just stronger than the other. Really I'm just spouting ideas lol, I don't know how Oda is gonna do it, but I have confidence that he will come up with something awesome. Maybe one of the next admirals will be a powerful zoan-type. I'm sure there are more mythical zoan types that could match those colors. EDIT: Also, these will have to be some talllllll-ass people to not look like idiots next to the other admirals. So I think that eliminates Coby and Helmepo for now. |
luffydragneelOct 13, 2012 5:44 AM
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| Yes, but there is also the issue of the 2 remaining Yonkou. Big mom and Kaidou. So that's four people in general that must have some sort of ability(cuz if any of them are similar to Shanks/Rayliegh then that style will get dull). |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| Damn, Oda has his work cut out for him. Big Mom reminds me of a rhino, or elephant lol. We already know Kaido is beast and we haven't even seen more than a glimpse of him yet. |
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| His face , when Garp was explaining for the first time the concept of Yonkou,, seemed a little similar to Joker, and ,well, we've seen a lot of fictional character based on him so I'm expecting sth good. Dunno what to assume. But Yonkou (particularly Kaidou) and the 2 admirals are my main interests and since Luffy is now a world famous criminal he might get admiral attention soon enough. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| I just had a thought. Can Bonney control the age of which she turns people into? If so, maybe the government wanted her so she could make the older marines back to their prime again. Like Garp. It would be hard to convince her to, since she could probably just use her ability to get away if she were allowed to use it. |
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| Interesting thinking though I think they just wanted to arrest her. And yes, she can control their age since she has already done that to some marines |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| Hm. Though, I wonder how her power exactly works. If she WERE to make Garp younger, would he actually be as powerful as he was in his prime? Or does only affect age and physical condition? If she were to age Luffy 10 years, would he be much more powerful, or just older and maybe slightly bigger. |
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| Both of what you are saying is exactly the same thing man. Garp is not in his prime to his physical condition deteriorating. If Luffy were to become 10 years older , I don't think he would learn new techniques that he might have learned during those 10 years. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| Yeah I should have worded that a little differently. What I meant for the most part, is wondering if by aging she actually just sent the body through time so-to-speak. Meaning anything the body knew from memory such as certain reflexes etc, would be retained. An aged luffy's body may be more instinctive and skilled. Though I doubt it lol. |
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| interesting thoughts. I like the ideas you're putting on the table. Though I think the color depiction of admirals is over now, to me the main point in blue/yellow/red was like a character developement for the marines and the Red won over blue/yellow as fleet, and red is often described as "agression, danger" which also matches up to what jimbei said about the new marines. I think it's time for some new metaphores to take place. Why? Because before the 3 colors the admiral was Sengoku, vice-admiral Garp (he was admiral lvl but refused the position) which is like a complete opposite of the pre-timeskip ones. I like how Bonney is considered dangerous and she obv. escaped the marines again after BB left her to Akainu. I see her in an alliance with 2-3 other supernovas though. I see the supernovas forming groups and uniting with each other for common goals sake. Or atleast I would like to see it. ALSO, expecting Moria to make a comback in the Kaidou arc! EDIT: So you guys are saying Bonney has a similar ability to the pills Hody and the fishman gang used? |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
| Idk what to think of Bonney's ability.lol If the gov knows the extent of her abilities, it would make sense for them to want her for the reason I mentioned. But they could just want her because she's a pirate ha. It would be cool to see some of the legends young again though. |
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| Boney used it on herself and she had the same brain capacity as she did normally. So consider sth similar to hormones rather than actual time-control. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| Yeah, good point there. Only Oda can give people such odd and absurd powers and make them cool. I love watching how different powers react to each other. It's like a giant game of rock paper scissors. |
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| Sth else that I'm interested in seeing is Boney's connection to WB. May I remind you that she was constantly crying during the war and her crying started the momment WB got stabed by spider-...what was his name again? Maybe she is his daughter without him knowing (like Ace being Roger's son). She was also screaming at Akainu saying you are the one I will never forgive etc etc |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| Hm, interesting idea. I also remember wondering what her affiliation with him was. I always kinda thought that she just admired him a lot, but there could be more to it like you suggested. |
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| Well pointed out Kanic, I also thought of it after reading WBW |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
| SQUADRO, his name is SQUADRO. Damn I'm so happy to have remembered |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| lol! I couldn't think of it either, I was like spider doesn't sound right... lol |
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| well, he is wortexx spider so that wasn't so far off :D |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
| Yeah when he said Squard I remembered that, Idk why I was thinking squire the maelstrom(lol), but it's like you said. |
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| When I think of the initial question of this thread more and more pop in my head. I would REALLY like a solid explanation by Oda as to how Haki operates especially against Logia, concerning certain details. For example, if Zoro were to cut-off Ceasar's arm would that remain detached or automatically turn to gas and regenerate itself back on the main body? And can Haki be equiped on anything besides weapons and body, e.g. Kizaru's beams and whatever ability Doflamingo uses to chop others to pieces and many other examples. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| I can't wait to know what happened in the 100 year void, and what the world government really is, and ofc the 2 new admirals, 2 new shichibukai and i can't wait to see Buggy and Crocodile |
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| That's a damn good question about caesar's arm. My guess, is that it would turn to gas, but if that's the case then I don't know how you would beat a logia then. So reconsidering, I think when you use haki, it can penetrate the ability and reach the physical body of the user, so then his arm would be cut off permanently. I'd like an explanation as well. I still have tons of questions and that I want him to explain too. How is BB able to take other's devil fruit powers? Where do the devil fruits come from? Is there an unlimited number? Such as, when one disappears does another reappear? What are the poneglyphs, and what are to come of the weapons? How many mythical zoan's are there? And things that I wanna see. DRAGON, DRAGON AND MORE DRAGON. What are Shanks and Mihawk doing after the time-skip? Just how powerful are the SH now? The list goes on.. |
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nijlpaard87 said: I can't wait to know what happened in the 100 year void, and what the world government really is, and ofc the 2 new admirals, 2 new shichibukai and i can't wait to see Buggy and Crocodile Definitely wanna know about Buggy and Croc. I think Buggy probably accepted a job in the gov lol. Croc should have gotten stronger, as well as daz bones. The SH willl probably be seeing them again soon. Wonder if Croc knows haki now too. If he does I'd love to see a showdown between him and Smoker. |
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| Well, the reason why Blackbeard can absorb other devil fruits has already be explained, it's his devil fruit that allows him to do that, like in his battle against Ace, he almost absorbed his powers, i think that explains also why he wanted it so desperately, he waited for decades, if it was just a random power, he wouldn't have. and poneglyphs were left behind by the previous kingdom as the only remains, and are indestructible, I'm really eager to learn more about 'em too. and I also wanna see Luffy's mother. and the secret behind the D |
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| I'd like to find out about the will of the D as well. But I wonder who knows now. Roger told WB, and they're both dead. Rayleigh prob knows, and we can assume Garp and Dragon knows. I wonder about Shanks, and BB. |
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| Also I knew that BB can absorb powers that interacts with his, but I thought it was still unknown how he can take the powers of those who have died. |
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| in the Viz translation of Volume 46, BB says in chapter 441: ''the other thing my darkness can absorb is the power of the devil fruits!" but its still quite vague, Marco said when Whitebeards got absorbed by bb, that his body is unusual |
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| Back to title topic. Nico Robin. How is it she doesn't know haki by now? She was with Dragon during the time-skip, and she's probably the smartest member of the crew. |
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| ^agree. Robin is underpowered, that's a big leak of continuation, she's 80mil bounty, she's one of the most notorious, yet Oda had to NOT give her haki in order to distinguish the monster trio as strongest, but in my opinion Robin greatly suffered from that as a character. Sh*t am I starting to get bad at this discussion things. |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
| ^Robin had 79 mil since she was 8. Weren't you the ones who said that Bounty doesn't matter in terms of power? Robin is the brightest example of said fact. She is a figure of important information and she has the knowledge to expand said information. Those things alone are a threat to the government. As for her power: she has a huge power at her disposal but let's be honest, aside from skill in terms of DF-usage she has nothing, not the physical ability (aka power or speed) that most people who have haki have shown. Robin having Haki would be irrational to my eyes. You make it sound as if Haki has a switch of on and off and anyone who is seemingly badass should just press the switch. It has been implied that it requiers rigorous training, and considering Lufy's physique and how he learned to use it in 1+1/2 year we could assume that Robin would need way more time than 2 years. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| ^ I guess so. But then again, I think she should atleast have a bit of that mantra (CoO haki), if we're expanding on her inteligence and all that. We all know how she received the bounty, but we also know she was a wanted criminal with just 8 years. She had to survive those 20 years, so yeah, she has to have some kind of "feeling" for danger, or it should've reawakened by now. I think it has to be just a little more to her than knowledge and besting physical strength against* idiots with her 100 arms. |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
| I think CoA would be too much of a power-up, if she could imbue it in every hand, she would be practically invincible. the only thing she would have to work would be speeding it up like Kanic said |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
| I don't believe physical strength is a requirement for haki, I mean didn't Coby show haki at marineford? I doubt he was that much physically stronger than Robin at the point, especially taking into account that she can also make her limbs larger. Coby held off Akainu for a couple seconds, but Robin held Aokiji for a bit, though he wasn't being serious. I always thought of haki as more of a psychological thing, combining instinct and technique. But maybe I'm wrong. |
luffydragneelOct 16, 2012 1:51 PM
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| ^Instinct and technique,though, are honed through combat and training. Robin's combat is a grapple style whose only factor is the DF ability and not her power in arms. Also Coby->Soru(in other words his physique is definetely superior to Robin's) |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| Those are good points. I still don't think strength is an actual requirement, but so far I don't have any proof to back it up, so I'll give the win to you for now. But I do see Robin as the next crew member to learn haki. I'm also really interested to know what Robin learned from Dragon. I would love to see her telling Luffy what his father is like. |
luffydragneelOct 17, 2012 2:42 PM
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| I thought about a funny thing after the time-skip on sabaody...Imagine BROOK having the conquerors disposal (I don't know why I thought of that as it makes no sense on the first look, but he can control large groups with only his music, in a way it's the same as controlling them with intimidation) just a sprout, I don't expect a boin plant to form from it. It's a funny thought nonetheless. |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
| I undesrtand yout point of view, though I wouldn't expect any explanation from Oda other than:"that's cuz his music is sick" XD and never connect it to Haki. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| BONE TO BE WILD, C'MON EVERYBODY !!! |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
| Brook needs to learn some badass support music like in the final fantasy games. Like morale boost and attack up. haha |
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| So after Zoro's last badass moment against Monet, I am now absolutely DYING to see Mihawk. So many questions. I really wanna know what his relationship with Zoro is like (does he think of him as his disciple, friend, rival etc) I can kinda picture Mihawk taking a Shanks-Luffy type relationship with Zoro, where he is pleased whenever he gets news about the Strawhats. Only Zoro plans on killing Mihawk someday, so a LITTLE different lol. Though Zoro is more of the serious type, and Mihawk seems that way too so it may have been strictly business and no personal like for each other even after 2 years. |
luffydragneelNov 1, 2012 5:05 AM
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