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ExcalibSaber said:
Im still 2 episodes into the series but still Saber and shirou in fate stay night DEEN it was just to strong D;

CookingPriest said:


I am pretty sure that

KamiCity said:
Why do people keep saying that transplanting part of the magic crest breaks the rules of the universe when

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Am I missing something here, or is it something completely different that they are complaining about?

KamiCity said:
Why do people keep saying that transplanting part of the magic crest breaks the rules of the universe when

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Am I missing something here, or is it something completely different that they are complaining about?

mira-nyan said:


They're not saying it breaks the rules, they're just butthurt that Rin would rather give up her family's knowledge than just do the deed.

KamiCity said:

They said it breaks the rules of the universe before though, Harpe in rereads was saying something like that and people on here also said it also. Plus wasn't it only part of the crest? Why is it any different in one route and than in the other? I mean besides doing the deed in the original, there is nothing that breaks canon as far as I know.

mira-nyan said:


They're not saying it breaks the rules, they're just butthurt that Rin would rather give up her family's knowledge than just do the deed.

ChickenFry said:


Ok, Rin threw her father's precious pendant to save our herowannabe. That pendant worth how many years of accumulated mana?

Now a magic crest bother her? =.=

mira-nyan said:


Yes, but whilst her Father's pendant was supposed to be used in a serious situation in which it was needed greatly, a magus should never throw away, or give away their family's magic crest. Especially for an aspiring magus like Rin. :/

ChickenFry said:


Isn't Rin development basically: "fuck magus rules, I will live true to myself"?

mira-nyan said:

Yes, but she's practically useless without her magic crest. :/

I mean, it's not even a magus rule, it's just common sense.

ChickenFry said:


Just to remind you, Touko has no magic crest.

laidellent said:


You can consider her a very special case

mira-nyan said:

Yes, but she's practically useless without her magic crest. :/

I mean, it's not even a magus rule, it's just common sense.

ChickenFry said:

I can't recall anything special beside she is a genius.

ChickenFry said:


I can't recall anything special beside she is a genius.

KamiCity said:

As I stated before, doesn't she only give part of it away? I mean you can't say the damn little fish is anywhere near the same amount as her entire arm. Also again like I mentioned before
in HF

mira-nyan said:

Like I said, idk. I'm just saying that the idea of giving away the magic crest makes no sense. I'm not implying that Rin gave away her whole crest.

laidellent said:


IIRC,puppet mastery...literally splitting her soul or rather components of it in her various puppets..I think..there is only one in Nasuverse who can do that kind of "magecraft".

Rin is a genius amongst a more traditional magus setup as in yes,she is damn good but not something unique well unless you consider her origin which is a bit rare.

ChickenFry said:


And IIRC, the reason Touko is able to do that is because of years of research.

I don't think she could do that at birth...

ChickenFry said:

And IIRC, the reason Touko is able to do that is because of years of research.

I don't think she could do that at birth...

laidellent said:


That should be pretty obvious...your point is removing magic crests isn't a big deal for people of Rin's calibre,right?

Or is it something else?

mira-nyan said:


And guess what? Magic crests are made from years of research.

ChickenFry said:


No, my point is that there are people who don't have magic crest but still good at magic. Just to say magic crest isn't everything for a magus.

Ofc without her magic crest, she has to start anew. That would be a big hit for her.

But all I know is that she only gave a part of it.

KamiCity said:

I thought they contained years of research, and were essentially shortcuts for future mages. Meaning that Rin being a genius could continue where she left off even if she were to lose part of it. Since it is pretty much just advancing on someone elses research. At least that's what I got out of it, basically Rin should have no problem recreating and continuing the research.

mira-nyan said:


And guess what? Magic crests are made from years of research.

mira-nyan said:


Ofc it isn't. But, a magus will have to start from scratch if they didn't have one.

ChickenFry said:


Still, Touko has no magic crest...

ChickenFry said:


Well, ofc...

But that doesn't mean a dead-end for a magus. That's what I want to say.

mira-nyan said:


I see, but it doesn't change the fact that it's dumb to throw away decades of research. :I

mira-nyan said:

I see, but it doesn't change the fact that it's dumb to throw away decades of research. :I

ChickenFry said:


Sadly it's not out of character.

KamiCity said:


This is RIN we're talking about here lol

Oh 10 years worth of mana in a pendant, fuck it use it on the first night.

ChickenFry said:
For one thing, Waver sucks because his magic circuit is crap. Don't mix two things up.

And so they also don't recognize Touko. Oh wait...

mira-nyan said:

His circuit is crap because of his family's linage. Which also means he doesn't have a magic crest, or has one without much info. Either way, he's a third generation magus who doesn't have a crest. He's not looked down on simply for having shit circuits.

ChickenFry said:


But even he is shit like that, you do know what he has become by the time FSN happens. It only took him 10 years.

Once again prove my point.

KamiCity said:

Am I missing something here, or is it something completely different that they are complaining about?

ChickenFry said:

But even he is shit like that, you do know what he has become by the time FSN happens. It only took him 10 years.

Once again prove my point.

ChickenFry said:

If I remember correctly, in the "canon" version HF route, . Correct me if I'm wrong though.

ChickenFry said:

Ok, Rin threw her father's precious pendant to save our herowannabe. That pendant worth how many years of accumulated mana?

Now a magic crest bother her? =.=

Grey-Zone said:
Didn't Rin only use the crest for Gandr anyway? It's not like in the whole VN there was a single "succesful" use of it, aside from maybe chasing Shirou and testing out Kuzuki

Can't Rin still use Gems anyway? I never heard she needs her crest to fill them up with magic, so she probably still can do that. And when it comes to battle capabilities, I think Noble Phantasms by far exceed her Gandr, provided Shirou is close enough and they don't have to hide the RM at that moment.

Insertanamehere said:

A decade of mana to save a life when there's no viable alternative vs giving up over two centuries of research and knowledge when there is a simple alternative?

KamiCity said:


Yet she does it again

mira-nyan said:
So you want him to get a sealing designation?

Grey-Zone said:
provided Shirou is close enough and they don't have to hide the RM at that moment.

Grey-Zone said:
Didn't Rin only use the crest for Gandr anyway? It's not like in the whole VN there was a single "succesful" use of it, aside from maybe chasing Shirou and testing out Kuzuki

Can't Rin still use Gems anyway? I never heard she needs her crest to fill them up with magic, so she probably still can do that. And when it comes to battle capabilities, I think Noble Phantasms by far exceed her Gandr, provided Shirou is close enough and they don't have to hide the RM at that moment.

KamiCity said:


Yet she does it again

Insertanamehere said:

That's a procedure that doesn't break anything since she's only transplanting a tiny part of her crest as opposed to the whole thing. Note that it still causes him burning pain.

CapsuleCore said:
Not the same, because she doesn't sacrifice the entire crest there.

Insertanamehere said:

Quite weird you didn't read the part of the post addressed to you.

Insertanamehere said:
They'll always have to hide the fact he has a Reality Marble from almost everyone unless they're certain everyone who will see it will die.

Grey-Zone said:




For example by either killing all witnesses (if all of them are part of the bad guys they have to fight) or by manipulating their memories.

mira-nyan said:
Well
>Useless magus who can only do basics
>Magus who has lost their crest.

*Somehow manage to do that*

Yeah, totally not suspicious at all.

KamiCity said:

I didn't see her sacrifice the entire crest in UBW though, unless it's something i'm missing. I saw a fish that was about 1/8th of the size of her entire crest, so either Ufotable neglected to mention something or people just assumed it was the entire crest.
I haven't read the RN version of that scene to be sure.
My bad, idk how I missed it. Either way, i've only seen ufotables version of that scene and there is no indication she used the entire crest, from what i've seen most people speculate she only transplanted part of the crest due to the size difference.
Again I have no knowledge of the RN version

Grey-Zone said:


Rin can still use her gems. If fights for their lives don't happen too frequently, she is still able to fight battles properly. It's the "Tohsaka style" to use gems after all and those gems include strong enough magic to be considered A rank magic if filled up for long enough. If no one can tell about the battle itself, then it wouldn't be a surprise if Tohasaka's team won.