| All anime I watched when I was a kid - DBZ , Pokemon, CCS... |
| lots, but ill just say my fav's tales of the abyss(game but anime got dubbed) mightiest disciple kenichi baccano durarara(YES I SAID IT) welcome to the NHK by a long shot, not cause sub was bad far form that its just the dub was that good |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Black Lagoon Dub- Revy's voice actor kicks the shit out of the japanese seiyuu (no offense to those who prefer the sub). |
EquivXchange said: Black Lagoon Dub- Revy's voice actor kicks the shit out of the japanese seiyuu (no offense to those who prefer the sub). Why do I never read this type of hype for the Japanese track of any anime? I bet a character could be designed and based on the actual seiyuu that's acting and if there was a dub many 'people would still say the English dubber was better suited for the role. |
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Onibokusu said: Yes, because I'm not a weeaboo and I think for myself. /thread lol, yeah weeabos are annoying at times so I agree. I prefer DBZ, Yu Yu Hakusho(really awesome and I love the things that Yusuke say in the dub as well as his voice), Fullmetal alchemist Brotherhood(I do love the VA for Ed in the japanese one but I still like the dub better), possibly 'Nana', Samurai Champloo(very fitting voices), Trigun(although Vash sounds awesome in the subbed too), Rurouni Kenshin(think he had a girl voice in the sub), Baccano(takes place in America so why not), Durarara(I feel like it's sort of bad but I just prefer it for some reason, don't ask lol), Darker Than Black, Death note, Honey and Clover, Soul eater, Black Lagoon(Revy sounded pretty Bad ass), Welcome to the NHK and other childhood anime such as Pokemon, Digimon and Yugioh. There are few dubs that I hate to death though like Bakuman's(check that piece of shit out guys), Nodame Cantabile(O_O) and a few others. |
Ollyx2OxenFreeDec 25, 2011 10:24 AM
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| Desert Punk. |
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| - IGPX - Cowboy Bebop - S.CRY.ed - Fullmetal Alchemist and tons of others, sometimes the englishes voices just fit better. \o/ |
| I actually tend to prefer dubs for the simple reason that a big part of what draws me to anime is the art. If I'm trying to read everything, that distracts me from the art (sadly, my Japanese was never good enough to follow an entire native episode). Further, I tend to dislike some of the more high-pitched and cutesy voices that Japanese voice actresses seem to use (not always the case, but there is a trend). And I note when characters are supposed to be intense or desperate, in Japanese they tend to get extremely shrill and just shriek everything (especially if the character is male). That does not really indicate good acting/emotion to me. There are some shows that I prefer the sub coughGunGravecough, and there are some that I think are equally good in both, but unless the dub is really bad or the script radically different, I usually stick with the dub so I can actually watch all the art/action. Weirdly enough, I think Blue Seed was best in Spanish. Far better voice acting. |
| a lot : Dragon Ball Z Yu Yu Hakusho Rurouni Kenshin Baccano! Death Note Sailor Moon Pokemon Fullmetal Alchemist InuYasha Mobile Fighter G Gundam etc. |
| Dragon Ball Z FLCL |
| Dont touch me I'm in despair. |
| I guess the only one that comes to mind is Death Note since the first time i watched was dubbed, then i watched in sud later on. |
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Tsumayouji said: If I'm trying to read everything, that distracts me from the art. How? Comics are words and art but the words don't drown out the art. Then how can just adding movement mean that words are now distracting to the art? What about when the art has words? Ugh, this is getting so close to sub v dub. Why not enter you comment there instead of steering this topic away. |
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| Yes. Hellsing Ultimate, Black Lagoon, Ghost in the Shell SAC all have better dubs than subs IMO. |
TenkaseiRyo said: while eng is not my 1st lang aas you know but i say Ghibil dubs would better of they used proper VA not outsiders for the dubbibg work ;ole when japan dubs sothing over form english they use Seiyuu not outsiders and whin its comes to Ghibil dumb minus Mimi wo Miyazaki stuff over takahata - opposidte of Japanese Ghibil were iv like takahata over Miyazaki all the time Disney dubbed the Ghibli films with Live Action actors and/or idols, not proper VAs. The main character in Ponyo was dubbed by Noah Cyrus whose only claim to fame is being part of the famous Cyrus family. Which means if you're going to get pissy about Ghilbli hiring idols and not seiyuu then I am going to be equally pissy about Disney hiring celebrities and not voice actors. |
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Anime_Name said: RLinksoul said: Anime_Name said: I don't know who that is or why I should care. Because you haven't seen Dragonball Z Abridged. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxoT3A4qgRo&t=5m50s Okay so now a fan dub voice is better than the original voice that was selected by the creator of the series. ...I need more egg nog. So what if the original creator thought the voice was a good choice, doesn't make it automatically a good one to everyone else. Anime_Name said: Why do I never read this type of hype for the Japanese track of any anime? I bet a character could be designed and based on the actual seiyuu that's acting and if there was a dub many 'people would still say the English dubber was better suited for the role. ......yeah sure. Anime_Name said: How? Comics are words and art but the words don't drown out the art. Then how can just adding movement mean that words are now distracting to the art? What about when the art has words? Because when you look away from the words the same image is still there when reading a comic, adding movement means it changes. |
Dark_PuddlesDec 25, 2011 11:14 PM
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So what if the original creator thought the voice was a good choice, doesn't make it automatically a good one to everyone else. It's not about being a subjective "good" but objectively voice that fits the ideals of the person who dreamt up the character. I believe the comment I replied to was "No grown man should screech like that." Since some grown men do screech and the production team on DB consciously made the choice for Goku to sound like that then the claim "No grown man should screech like that." is unequivocally wrong. ......yeah sure. That comment was more rhetorical because it happens already. Plus there are people stating they like one over the other without even having compared the two. Because when you look away from the words the same image is still there when reading a comic adding movement means it changes. Do you watch anime much? I think you're exaggerating what changes. The movement I see when there is text on the screen is mostly mouth-flaps with an unchanging background, maybe a panoramic shot, or even some dialogue in the middle of an action sequence. During the talking sequences of anime there's a lot of down-time in which a viewer can soak in the "art" even with subtitles on. The excuse that words distract from the art makes no damn sense considering the amount art, still and moving, we already have in our media with words. |
Anime_NameDec 25, 2011 11:26 PM
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It's not about being a subjective "good" but objectively voice that fits the ideals of the person who dreamt up the character. I believe the comment I replied to was "No grown man should screech like that." Since some grown men do screech and the production team on DB consciously made the choice for Goku to sound like that then the claim "No grown man should screech like that." is unequivocally wrong. My comment was aimed at your last one which made no sense unless you tried to dismiss an opinion because the original creator thought the voice was good. That comment was more rhetorical because it happens already. What? That you do read that type of hype for Japanese tracks as well? Because since you've been in a dub vs sub thread no doubt you have read some. Do you watch anime much? I think you're exaggerating what changes. This was about your comparison to comics which wasn't apt, I'm sure there are people who are bothered by missing any type of movement on screen or feel the flow is broken by the reading as well as many series having things missed while you are reading. It's a valid reason to not want to watch subs. |
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My comment was aimed at your last one which made no sense unless you tried to dismiss an opinion because the original creator thought the voice was good. I am sure I never made such a comment. Please show me where I have argued that point. At best my last comment about the Goku voice thing was dismay over how useless it is discussing anything dub related with some people. Supporting the notion that a fandub is better than paid actors fucking absurd. This was about your comparison to comics which wasn't apt, I'm sure there are people who are bothered by missing any type of movement on screen or feel the flow is broken by the reading as well as many series having things missed while you are reading. It's a valid reason to not want to watch subs. Silent movies or rather silent cartoons make my comparison valid. Fear of missing something is an excuse. Actually missing something is a reason. How shitty is your peripheral vision if you miss a visual in an anime because you were reading a caption on the bottom of the screen? Also how do you read? I frequently can read a line faster than actors can speak so my eyes are off the bottom of the screen and enjoying the scene for before the next line of subtitling pops up. |
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Supporting the notion that a fandub is better than paid actors fucking absurd. Getting paid doesn't change Goku's original voice or make it any better, I find it to be a horrid voice that I can't fathom why the hell they would pay for it or think it was a good fit, and while I wouldn't exactly say the DBZ abridged voice would work for him if actually the proper voice (it is a parody after all) it overall is more likable. Silent movies or rather silent cartoons make my comparison valid. Not really. How shitty is your peripheral vision if you miss a visual in an anime because you were reading a caption on the bottom of the screen? Then why do you even bother looking up from the bottom of the screen? Maybe missed wasn't the right word but something happening while you are reading at the bottom of the screen isn't the same as when you are just watching the show. I personally see this as a very very little con in watching subbed anime that has never come into me deciding on what version of a show to watch but I can understand why people could see it as a bigger deal, especially slower readers or people with worse peripheral vision. |
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Getting paid doesn't change Goku's original voice or make it any better, I find it to be a horrid voice that I can't fathom why the hell they would pay for it or think it was a good fit, and while I wouldn't exactly say the DBZ abridged voice would work for him if actually the proper voice (it is a parody after all) it overall is more likable. You don't need to imagine why they(the producers) would pay for such a voice. All you have to do is read the interviews and the cast, crew, and Toriyama. So all it takes to fathom why the voice works is to stop getting high off your opinion and open your mind to the notion that the creator and producers didn't want Goku sounding like superman or a deep manly man and that just maybe that people that run franchise have a better understanding of the character than you. Not really. Funny, I had silent movie comics in mind when I made that comment about comics, animation, and words. I mean it's really funny how silent movie comics are exactly what I am referring but you say otherwise. Then why do you even bother looking up from the bottom of the screen? It's how eyes work. Focus is ever changing for voluntary and involuntary reasons. Maybe missed wasn't the right word but something happening while you are reading at the bottom of the screen isn't the same as when you are just watching the show. I call BS on your theory. The words appear on the bottom of the screen because talking is going on and in anime when there's talking going there isn't much happening on the screen that could be missed thanks to peripheral vision. I personally see this as a very very little con in watching subbed anime that has never come into me deciding on what version of a show to watch but I can understand why people could see it as a bigger deal, especially slower readers or people with worse peripheral vision. The person I replied to said nothing about being a slow readers or vision difficulties. My question already implies that slow readers and people with vision problems might have issues with subtitles but people with hearing problems might have issues with audio tracks. My comments are directed towards individuals that are not handicapped. |
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| I thought the Inuyasha dubbed was pretty great except there will be different voice actors when the Final Act gets dubbed |
MajorMajorMajor said: It doesn't matter how good your peripheral vision is; if I am watching something, I don't want to keep it in my peripheral vision. I want to watch it, dammit. Ugh, seriously? You are still watching it and your peripheral vision is always in play as that is what allows you notice things in anime in a section of a scene you weren't previously focusing on. Also, sometimes the editing or the dialogue may be executed at a faster pace than most are used to or there may be words on screen simultaneously passing by. That would make subs a genuine hassle to read. (Have you seen that episode of Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei where the characters are speaking but there are subtitles that say something else entirely? That joke was ruined by the lack of a dub in that case, and were it not for the pause button, many would have missed a fair amount). Odd I would think a dub would have ruined the show by killing all the jokes and retitling it to Goodbye Mr. Sandpants. By subtitles saying something else entirely do you mean subtitles translating what's on the chalkboards? Because I haven't ran across a time where the subtitles for speech didn't reflect what was being said. If it was the chalkboard sub then a dub wouldn't have helped as the chalkboard jokes would have been ignored, removed, or changed. I can read quickly too, but that doesn't mean that I would get full enjoyment out of rushing through the subs, followed by an ogling of the visuals. That would cause you to separate the audio and dialogue aspects from the visual aspects of the anime, when it is meant to be a cohesive whole. Works for me in games, for TV, and movie in a variety of languages even English. I don't get any separation issue as I can read and listen at the same time. Strange that anime is somehow more difficult to appreciate if subtitles are in effect. Yup a strange and convenient excuse. |
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| Yu-Gi-Oh until 5ds. Damn, when I start watch Yu-Gi-Oh dub there no turning back to sub. |
So all it takes to fathom why the voice works is to stop getting high off your opinion and open your mind to the notion that the creator and producers didn't want Goku sounding like superman or a deep manly man /quote] Getting high off my opinion? My mind is open to that they may of not wanted him sounding like superman or a "deep manly man", the voice they choose is still horrible. and that just maybe that people that run franchise have a better understanding of the character than you. Yeah, so? Your point? I still hate the voice, my opinion stands. Funny, I had silent movie comics in mind when I made that comment about comics, animation, and words. I mean it's really funny how silent movie comics are exactly what I am referring but you say otherwise. Your comparison is still not a valid one, I never said anything about what you were referring to. I call BS on your theory. The words appear on the bottom of the screen because talking is going on and in anime when there's talking going there isn't much happening on the screen that could be missed thanks to peripheral vision. I call BS on your theory that all anime are the same and that there is never anything to miss when talking is happening while watching with periphery vision. |
Dark_PuddlesDec 26, 2011 3:41 AM
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| I enjoyed Berserk. |
| No.I always watch subbed. |
Something can be missed amidst the shifting of focus. Something can be missed even when focusing. Big fat generalization, so what. I don't see why the worst should be assumed when subtitles, captions, words on the screen have worked since the inception of cinema and yet this concern somehow is so magnanimous with anime that it's distracting. That is irrelevant to to the issue at hand, that subbed releases have their own set of drawbacks that are inherent to the nature of subtitled releases, and therefore, are unavoidable. Another big fat generalization. If it is true that subtitled releases have unavoidable drawbacks then it is equally true that dubbed releases have unavoidable drawbacks as well. The biggest problem with your supposed drawbacks is you are just taking what subtitles are, text the appears on the bottom of the screen, and the concluding that their very nature is a negative. Subtitles are a post-production concern that usually happens at the broadcast or DVD production level, it doesn't have shit to with what the director intended but rather subtitles are one means to aid in getting the dialogue across, not just in anime. Seeing as how you haven't truly refuted my claims with any evidence or reasoning to back them up, they still stand and I won't repeat myself. What claims? You offered up an example peppered with some biased wording and a concluded there would be a separation between the audio and dialogue. I simply have not seen such a separation for myself or mentioned in venue where people partake of subtitling. The reason I call these problems anime only is because these "problems" are only ever brought up in anime related places, and oddly enough only by people that profess to favor dubs. |
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| -Baccano -Cromartie High school -School Rumble -Spice and Wolf -Pokemon It usually depends on what version I watch first. |
| "Reality is a story the minds tells itself. An artificial structure conjured into being by the calcium ion exchange of a million synaptic fringes" |
| Code Geass and Soul Eater, just sounds very natural to me, oh, and Clannad as well I guess. |
| DBZ and FMA for sure |
 Anime List//Manga List - C.C.O - T.C.O - T.S.C - M.C.A |
| There are only three dubs I have ever liked over the original Japanese dialogue. Those would be: Those Who Hunt Elves seasons 1 & 2 Excel Saga While the series themselves aren't anything grand by anime standars, I found the humor in it much more relatable as a dub. Plus, at the time that I watched theses, it was in a group with friends. We were all laughing our asses off. So, it's also due to personal experiences with my friends that have a nostalgic sense to these particular series. I've watched them in Japanese with subtitles and while still funny, it personally didn't feel quite the same. |
| The dub for Code Geass was decent, though I still like the sub more. I like most Chinese dubs, as the voices are pretty close to the original Japanese. |
| Black Lagoon and Baccano I think are arguably superior in dub form. Superior dubs are such a rarity that I can't think of another off the top of my head. I personally prefer Death Note and Code Geass in dub form, but I can't really say that they're better that way. |
| Ooo, what a lovely tea party. |
1. Look up magnanimous. I don't think it means what you think it does ;) 2. I never said that it was specific to anime. That is an assumption you brought up. 3. It is true that things can be missed in either case, but my point still stands that if there are more things on screen, more things there can be missed. 4. I never said that I, or anyone, was ever assuming the worst. That is a "big fat generalization." 5. If you want to bring up the inception of cinema, please don't; you'd be doing yourself a favor by saving yourself a giant tangent from myself. 4. You said it yourself, subtitles are a post-production concern. They can never be fully integral to an audio-visual medium (unless intentionally inserted by the director) because movies are not meant to be read. 1. I was shooting for big and picked the wrong synonym. Shit happens. 2. That would be your problem with over generalizing and leaving room for such assumption. 3. And it's possible not miss anything. If all you want to do is talk about endless possibilities because everything you say is only possibility of many. 4. What can I say?When you find yourself staring into the abyss sometimes it stares back at you. 5. And? That was a technological limitation but much is owed to that time and time marched on for the silent movie era but subtitles(captions) have proven to be a useful tool for media as a whole. 4^2. I never said fully integral and only said that because the vision of the director takes a back seat when trying to accommodate to the needs and wants of consumers in post-production.Yes, subtitling is something people both need and want which is why subtitling has been used for, oh I don't know...let's say a long damn time. 1. Animation and live action are two completely different animals... Sure the two are on different levels but the two share the same problems. What makes dubbing odd is not so much from the animation provided on the Japanese side but how bad dubbed anime looks compared to domestic animated shows. In both Western and Japanese animation there are some mouthflaps that show a decent level a detail when forming words and for the times when mouthflaps are just opening and closing original audio is sync'd better. When compared to domestic animated shows it is clear the dubbed anime is an inferior product because of those mismatches. Now your assessment that animation lacks nuance and subtleties goes back to my point on how little actually happens during dialogue. Using the fear of possibly missing something while reading a line of text on the bottom of the screen is using a worst case scenario as an excuse for people that are not handicapped. PPS: If you want to continue please PM me (you know, for the sake of the thread. I don't PM. |
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| re-watched code geass dubbed after first watching it subbed and i preferred it also when watching haruhi I used to swap between sub and dub |
| SWFC We're all Wednesday arent we? |
| Pretty much only DBZ, since I was grown with it. Otherwise, I can't stand the dubs. Although K-ON! and Madoka have some pretty okay dubs. + Funimation. |
>tfw Youtube can't let me have nice things  |
| I can't watch Detective Conan & Ouran Host Club in Japanese ... it sounds weird o.O I prefer them dubbed thank you very much o.O Otherwise I could go either way really I don't hate dubs o.o'' Funimation is good ... ^-^ |
| Preferred Haruhi's and Lucky star's dub apart from the ovious ones like DBZ and Pokemon which I can't watch subbed because it's too weird. |
| I can't stand the dubs. I've tried to watch a few but gave up after 2-3 episodes. Original voices are much much much much much much much better. |
| Only anime I've "ever" accepted and watch in dub was Golden Boy. It's sub all the way for the last 20 years. |
| Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood dub was alright sometimes.. But I prefer the sub because there is usually at least one totally unfitting voice in the dub for a main character. 0.o |
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