It’s kind of sad people think this movie is somehow a masterpiece.

Mar 27, 2023 9:19 AM

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Arjun_Manoj said:

SatouMatsuzaka said:

You're putting words in my mouth and arguing against a strawman. When did I say anything about artistic merit? Seems you are just making up things I didn't even say. It's absolutely fine if you enjoy KnK, I sure as hell don't. I'm saying people relating to its portrayal of bullying, depression, and suicide is why a large portion of people call it a masterpiece. Which I do not think is true.

You literally said to another guy in the comment I quoted that "hey, if you ENJOY watching deaf girls get bullied, be my guest". Did I put any words in your mouth there? Where is the strawman? What I said in reply was that by this argument of yours, the main reason why millions revere Schindler's List would be because they "enjoy watching Jews get tortured & gassed to death". It's called an analogy, not a strawman - though judging from your other comments, you're probably just a troll & so are probably gonna pretend that you don't know the difference.

Heck, you're saying EVEN NOW that the only reason so many people like KnK is because they themselves must be depression or suicidal - and this is an ASTONISHINGLY inaccurate generalization to make, because one absolutely does NOT need to personally experience something in order to like or appreciate a movie about it. There are any number of popular classics - about themes unrelatable & unpleasant to the majority of us - which are evidence of this. If those works are liked FOR THEIR ARTISTIC MERITS & not simply because "everyone who liked it must have gone through something similar", then the same applies to A Silent Voice as well. Because to most people, it CONVEYED what depression, social alienation etc are like in a good enough way, it had great animation, music, voice acting, character development & dynamics etc. People usually like it for THESE reasons, NOT because they themselves are "depressed & suicidal" smh.

Anyway, I see a pretty high probability that you're just a troll now, so not gonna bother reading any further replies & responding to the same.[/quote]

I mean you’re the one who bothered to write a full essay at me despite thinking I’m a troll.

Also a correction from your assumption there. No, I said many people must have had a history of depression or suicidal thoughts. A problem that is actually a real life issue today with Generation Z.

If your movie is actually about acceptance and forgiveness, then don’t get so flamed when you see someone dislike it.

Mar 27, 2023 9:26 AM

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was a good movie, I enjoyed it. wasn't fantastic though so I kind of see what you're saying. It's one of them ones where I liked it and don't really have anything bad to say about it but it wasn't compelling enough to where I would go out of my way to watch it again kind of thing. Still though, was enjoyable to watch at the time.

Mar 27, 2023 9:42 AM

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You make it sound like majority of the people who liked the show only liked it because they could relate to it. I don't relate to most of the stuff presented in the show, but goddamn, I love this movie so much. Try reading the manga though, the pacing is much better in it.

Mar 27, 2023 11:01 AM

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SatouMatsuzaka said:

Arjun_Manoj said:

SatouMatsuzaka said:

Arjun_Manoj said:

SatouMatsuzaka said:

Uchiller said:
1. the pacing of the movie was pretty well made. I don't really get that argument. like what did you expect in a slice of life anime movie...? it had a beginning, the development of the story and a strong ending.
2. You don't have to relate to certain characters in a movie in order to appreciate it..wtf...You only appreciate movies that depict your character in?
3. For me it's one of the best movies I have ever seen and I cannot understand why you re watched something you presumably hated

p.s. and no it's not sad that some people think this movie is a masterpiece. You re actually kinda sad for saying this

Did you actually read my post? First off. I watched it once back in 2017 and then again in 2022 because I do not get for the life of me why this is so highly rated. A 5 year gap. I even said to myself that maybe I have to watch it again to understand, but NO. Watching it again only reaffirmed that I don’t like this movie.
The subject matter and realistic topics portrayed in KnK in particular are a hit or miss. You either relate to it or you don’t. It’s not a fantasy, or have any sort of purely fictional property apart from the characters. So no, I’m not a fan of depictions of suicide and depression. But hey, if you enjoy watching deaf girls get bullied, go right ahead dude.

Schindler's List is considered as one of the greatest movies of the 90s, and that was WAY more depressing than A Silent Voice. It portrayed the Holocaust in disturbing detail, so what does THAT tell you about the generation that was young during the 90s? Think they simply "enjoyed" watching Jews be gassed to death?

I absolutely don't mean to insult you when I say this: but you've GOT to be young af if you still think only "fun, relatable & personally enjoyable" works have artistic merit.

Arjun_Manoj said:

SatouMatsuzaka said:

Uchiller said:
1. the pacing of the movie was pretty well made. I don't really get that argument. like what did you expect in a slice of life anime movie...? it had a beginning, the development of the story and a strong ending.
2. You don't have to relate to certain characters in a movie in order to appreciate it..wtf...You only appreciate movies that depict your character in?
3. For me it's one of the best movies I have ever seen and I cannot understand why you re watched something you presumably hated

p.s. and no it's not sad that some people think this movie is a masterpiece. You re actually kinda sad for saying this

Did you actually read my post? First off. I watched it once back in 2017 and then again in 2022 because I do not get for the life of me why this is so highly rated. A 5 year gap. I even said to myself that maybe I have to watch it again to understand, but NO. Watching it again only reaffirmed that I don’t like this movie.
The subject matter and realistic topics portrayed in KnK in particular are a hit or miss. You either relate to it or you don’t. It’s not a fantasy, or have any sort of purely fictional property apart from the characters. So no, I’m not a fan of depictions of suicide and depression. But hey, if you enjoy watching deaf girls get bullied, go right ahead dude.

Schindler's List is considered as one of the greatest movies of the 90s, and that was WAY more depressing than A Silent Voice. It portrayed the Holocaust in disturbing detail, so what does THAT tell you about the generation that was young during the 90s? Think they simply "enjoyed" watching Jews be gassed to death?

I absolutely don't mean to insult you when I say this: but you've GOT to be young af if you still think only "fun, relatable & personally enjoyable" works have artistic merit.

Arjun_Manoj said:

SatouMatsuzaka said:

Uchiller said:
1. the pacing of the movie was pretty well made. I don't really get that argument. like what did you expect in a slice of life anime movie...? it had a beginning, the development of the story and a strong ending.
2. You don't have to relate to certain characters in a movie in order to appreciate it..wtf...You only appreciate movies that depict your character in?
3. For me it's one of the best movies I have ever seen and I cannot understand why you re watched something you presumably hated
p.s. and no it's not sad that some people think this movie is a masterpiece. You re actually kinda sad for saying this

Did you actually read my post? First off. I watched it once back in 2017 and then again in 2022 because I do not get for the life of me why this is so highly rated. A 5 year gap. I even said to myself that maybe I have to watch it again to understand, but NO. Watching it again only reaffirmed that I don’t like this movie.
The subject matter and realistic topics portrayed in KnK in particular are a hit or miss. You either relate to it or you don’t. It’s not a fantasy, or have any sort of purely fictional property apart from the characters. So no, I’m not a fan of depictions of suicide and depression. But hey, if you enjoy watching deaf girls get bullied, go right ahead dude.

Schindler's List is considered as one of the greatest movies of the 90s, and that was WAY more depressing than A Silent Voice. It portrayed the Holocaust in disturbing detail, so what does THAT tell you about the generation that was young during the 90s? Think they simply "enjoyed" watching Jews be gassed to death?
I absolutely don't mean to insult you when I say this: but you've GOT to be young af if you still think only "fun, relatable & personally enjoyable" works have artistic merit.

You're putting words in my mouth and arguing against a strawman. When did I say anything about artistic merit? Seems you are just making up things I didn't even say. It's absolutely fine if you enjoy KnK, I sure as hell don't. I'm saying people relating to its portrayal of bullying, depression, and suicide is why a large portion of people call it a masterpiece. Which I do not think is true.

You literally said to another guy in the comment I quoted that "hey, if you ENJOY watching deaf girls get bullied, be my guest". Did I put any words in your mouth there? Where is the strawman? What I said in reply was that by this argument of yours, the main reason why millions revere Schindler's List would be because they "enjoy watching Jews get tortured & gassed to death". It's called an analogy, not a strawman - though judging from your other comments, you're probably just a troll & so are probably gonna pretend that you don't know the difference.

Heck, you're saying EVEN NOW that the only reason so many people like KnK is because they themselves must be depression or suicidal - and this is an ASTONISHINGLY inaccurate generalization to make, because one absolutely does NOT need to personally experience something in order to like or appreciate a movie about it. There are any number of popular classics - about themes unrelatable & unpleasant to the majority of us - which are evidence of this. If those works are liked FOR THEIR ARTISTIC MERITS & not simply because "everyone who liked it must have gone through something similar", then the same applies to A Silent Voice as well. Because to most people, it CONVEYED what depression, social alienation etc are like in a good enough way, it had great animation, music, voice acting, character development & dynamics etc. People usually like it for THESE reasons, NOT because they themselves are "depressed & suicidal" smh.

Anyway, I see a pretty high probability that you're just a troll now, so not gonna bother reading any further replies & responding to the same.

I mean you’re the one who bothered to write a full essay at me despite thinking I’m a troll.

Also a correction from your assumption there. No, I said many people must have had a history of depression or suicidal thoughts. A problem that is actually a real life issue today with Generation Z.

If your movie is actually about acceptance and forgiveness, then don’t get so flamed when you see someone dislike it.[/quote]

Replying out of sheer bafflement: If you didn't want a serious reply or discussion why are you even posting here? Heck, your own original post was even more of an "essay" than my reply was, lol.

It's also kinda sad that you had to resort to using TWO strawmen just to desparately save face on the anonymous internet: 1) I've already said that it's fine not to like this movie (heck, I myself have only rated it a 7 & have already stated that I dislike its crammed, rushed & overdone ending)
2) NOONE said that there aren't many people from Gen Z who suffer from depression - but rather that it's astonishingly stupid to claim that most ppl who like this movie are depressed Gen Z people. Most people haven't been to prison, nor have they lived through the holocaust either, and yet both The Shawshank Redemption & Schindler's List are incredibly popular classics. Same applies to A Silent Voice - you DON'T have to relate to it, in order to appreciate how mostly well-made it is.

So many people have already patiently explained to you why relatability isn't (& needn't be) a criteria to appreciate ANY art - if you're still not understanding such a basic idea, what else would anyone call you except dumb, or just a troll *pretending* to be dumb in an attempt to "flamebait"? Turning off notifications for now, so that I'm not even accidentally shocked into replying again by your pitifully media-illiterate replies.

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