| As long as western cartoons continue to follow an episodic nature, anime will continue to reign supreme. |
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| Western animation has worse graphism and animation than most anime on average by far, its not even a debate, any objective animation worker would tell you that, the music and the dub are often way worse in western animation, the stories can be good and sometimes are great but are more limited than in anime due to huge restrictions and censorship and focus on only kids as the main audience target so yeah no wonder with a few great exceptions western animation get teens and adults tired of it way faster than anime. Also western animations isnt limited to cartoons. America is not the only western country in the world you know? Now many western animated movies and shows are pretty good and some are gems or even work of art but they are more exception than the rule and yes most average cartoon is shit compared to most average anime in storytelling, graphism, animation, music and dub overall...and that's a shame i would love people here makes has much efforts as japanese do for kids and teens seeing their shows indeed. |
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| Western animation only has a chance if they begin to recognise animation as a medium. Until then Anime will reign supreme. Most likely it won't be America that makes the leap, I bet France or a European country which has BD to adapt in droves could eventually become a contender to Japan's dominance. |
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| Modern cartoons do have actually good shows but for like every Arcane, Castlevania, Primal or Wolfwalkers there are probably like 30 anime every year of similar quality. That is just my experience. Anime just way out produces the West in terms of good animation. It's getting better but no honestly anime blows every other animation industry out of the water. That is why I am a such a dedicated fan. Regardless of what dummies like to insinuate about anime fans that do feel so strongly about the medium's superiority all I will say I really don't really care about Japan beyond it's ability to create good animation. If the West did better I would enjoy Western content. Most of my favourite forms of media are Western. Despite my many issues with Canada/America I still highly value our way of thinking, culture and honestly anime wouldn't exist in the form we love without Western culture. I mainly play Western games as Japan doesn't do much for Strategy/management game fans like me. When WRPGs are actually good they tend to be better than JRPGs (more classic isometric and not AAA titles these days) I mainly look to Western lit for my fantasy kick since they are vastly superior to like 95% of fantasy works in this medium and manga. I will pick the superior product and if you are a fan of animated stories or comics to me it's a very hard argument that any medium is actively creating products better than Japan right now. In short dude improve your taste. Even the most generic of isekais is better than trash like Velma lol. |
BilboBaggins365Apr 28, 2023 9:36 AM
| I prefer watching an isekai about a wageslave MC that builds a nice gals harem than a western animation about a bearded man that wears dress in cartoon network 🤣 |
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| I choose anime over cartoons. I don't have any cartoons that really interest me that I know of. |
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| Yes, but thats only because we get so few each year in comparison to anime. Less means more. |
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I like both. Tho I think western cartoons do a better job at 3D animation and anime at 2D animation. In story anime wins but what I like about western media is that all the episodes are so random that I kind of feel so good watching them. For humour American shows are my first choice since idk I can relate more to their jokes rather than anime ones. Their jokes are just ridiculous and so random that I feel so much better after I watch them they never fail to make me laugh. |
| IMO most media from the West is superior to anime Better written, much better characters. Also in anime, males are often aggressive and abusive. I find them to be very unlikable and therefore only watch anime with an all-female cast. In western tv shows females and males are able to coexist Look at Western cartoons like She Ra and the Princesses of Power. Having serval gay characters and the males are not abusive, great story etc There are some anime I enjoy but consider around 99 percent of it to be unwatchable trash If Dreamworks ever starts an anime studio the other Japanese studio going to go bankrupt West wins  |
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| No. 1) Western Animation most obvious reason of decline is pandering to politics activists to the point of being a meme. Now, western Animation is more political than ever so normal people watch Anime. 2) Western Animation started dying when people stopped using TV and started watching stuff online. 3) Western Animation aka cartoons are just childish. No defined genres and they are literally the same. Awful designs. 4) No one -sane person- can relate to any Western Animation plot or even characters. No self-inserts, |
NurguburuApr 30, 2023 7:24 AM
| All weebs creatures of the galaxy, hear this message. Those of you who listen will not be struck by western animation. You will no longer know hunger, nor pain. Your Anime have come to lead you now. Our strength shall serve as a luminous sun toward which all intelligence may blossom. And the impervious shelter beneath which you will prosper. However, for those who refuse our offer and cling to their western animation ways… For you, there will be great wrath. |
AnimePedestrian said: Well I'm French and that could be in a ideal world...i mean we got lots of BD to adapt indeed, talented workers in animation, some pretty good animated movies and tv shows...but French upper class cinema directors snob animation as not real cinema to them and therefore never gives the passionate animators they have money to do better and there is issues to get animation here to get on any taboo topic because its quite rare a french animation targeted at kids past 8 years old is made here. So it has to be for all public to have any commercial luck at all really and thats why all topics that might get censored because touchy get avoided...which manga and anime dares to get at their core which is the main reason they are extremely popular here especially with teens. Futhermore anime and manga have some girl oriented titles which were almost absents from french cartoons and bd before that got many girls here into animation and bd they werent public of before. So yes if the french animation world did get past around this issues to became more able to talk diverse topics, including taboo/easily censored ones, speak to guys and girls of all age and getting more teen and adult targeted titles then it would probably be as good as anime because save for this obstacles we have pretty good animators but this mentality here of animation must be saccharine stuff for little boys almost excluisvely is strong and wont change easily so until then Japan will stil have better anime.Western animation only has a chance if they begin to recognise animation as a medium. Until then Anime will reign supreme. Most likely it won't be America that makes the leap, I bet France or a European country which has BD to adapt in droves could eventually become a contender to Japan's dominance. |
SylphelineApr 30, 2023 8:08 AM
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Sylpheline said: AnimePedestrian said: Well I'm French and that could be in a ideal world...i mean we got lots of BD to adapt indeed, talented workers in animation, some pretty good animated movies and tv shows...but French upper class cinema directors snob anime as not real cinema to them and therefore never gives the passionate animators they have money to do better and there is issues to get animation here to get on any taboo topic because its quite rare a french animation targeted at kids past 8 years old is made here. So it has to be for all public to have any commercial luck at all really and thats why all topics that might get censored because touchy get avoided...which manga and anime dares to get at their core which is the main reason they are extremely popular here especially with teens. Futhermore anime and manga have some girl oriented titles which were almost absents from french cartoons and bd before that got many girls here into animation and bd they werent public of before. So yes if the french animation world did get past around this issues to became more able to talk diverse topics, including taboo/easily censored ones, speak to guys and girls of all age and getting more teen and adult targeted titles then it would probably be as good as anime because save for this obstacles we have pretty good animators but this mentality here of animation must be saccharine stuff for little boys almost excluisvely is strong and wont change easily so until then Japan will stil have better anime.Western animation only has a chance if they begin to recognise animation as a medium. Until then Anime will reign supreme. Most likely it won't be America that makes the leap, I bet France or a European country which has BD to adapt in droves could eventually become a contender to Japan's dominance. There are some great BDs. Valerian is one I'd really like to see as I'm a huge sci fi guy. The issue is until people high up in the western world media spheres begin to view animation as a medium not a genre aimed at kids we'll never see the west even match Japan let alone surpass them. Another country which has some pretty awesome graphic novels/comics ready for adult oriented adaptations is my own, the UK, the 2000 AD series. I don't think America will be it as Superhero Comics have been exhausted due to the MCU. And well I think movie goers are a little tired of the tropes of Spandex clad adventurers at this point. |
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AnimePedestrian said: Yes that's spot on. Here if we got animation of Les Mystérieuses Cité d'Or quality on french sci fi bd adaptation like Valerian indeed but also other very good ones like Les mondes d'Aldébaran, Le Vagabond des Limbes, Sillage and many others would be quite good to watch. Also not sci fi at least not totally sci fi more norse mythology inspired but such a quality animated version of Thorgal with a viking inspired music as OST would be killer...sadly we french are specialist of letting our own gem wasted. Hope someone will do that or a movie of them someday. Sylpheline said: Well I'm French and that could be in a ideal world...i mean we got lots of BD to adapt indeed, talented workers in animation, some pretty good animated movies and tv shows...but French upper class cinema directors snob anime as not real cinema to them and therefore never gives the passionate animators they have money to do better and there is issues to get animation here to get on any taboo topic because its quite rare a french animation targeted at kids past 8 years old is made here. So it has to be for all public to have any commercial luck at all really and thats why all topics that might get censored because touchy get avoided...which manga and anime dares to get at their core which is the main reason they are extremely popular here especially with teens. Futhermore anime and manga have some girl oriented titles which were almost absents from french cartoons and bd before that got many girls here into animation and bd they werent public of before. So yes if the french animation world did get past around this issues to became more able to talk diverse topics, including taboo/easily censored ones, speak to guys and girls of all age and getting more teen and adult targeted titles then it would probably be as good as anime because save for this obstacles we have pretty good animators but this mentality here of animation must be saccharine stuff for little boys almost excluisvely is strong and wont change easily so until then Japan will stil have better anime. There are some great BDs. Valerian is one I'd really like to see as I'm a huge sci fi guy. The issue is until people high up in the western world media spheres begin to view animation as a medium not a genre aimed at kids we'll never see the west even match Japan let alone surpass them. Another country which has some pretty awesome graphic novels/comics ready for adult oriented adaptations is my own, the UK, the 2000 AD series. I don't think America will be it as Superhero Comics have been exhausted due to the MCU. And well I think movie goers are a little tired of the tropes of Spandex clad adventurers at this point. |
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Lokopopo said: Didnt knew it existed. That's great to know.AnimePedestrian said: There are some great BDs. Valerian is one I'd really like to see as I'm a huge sci fi guy. The issue is until people high up in the western world media spheres begin to view animation as a medium not a genre aimed at kids we'll never see the west even match Japan let alone surpass them. Another country which has some pretty awesome graphic novels/comics ready for adult oriented adaptations is my own, the UK, the 2000 AD series. I don't think America will be it as Superhero Comics have been exhausted due to the MCU. And well I think movie goers are a little tired of the tropes of Spandex clad adventurers at this point. there is already an animated Valerian adaptation and it's pretty good. As for Judge Dredd, tehre is a short animated series about Judge Death. |
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| I'm obviously incredibly biased here but the short answer is no. Sadly, the majority of western animation is still being held back by what I can only describe as shitty American corporatism. The majority of "adult cartoons" try to re-create the success of the Simpsons or Rick and Morty, and the majority of "kids cartoons" try to re-create the success of Spongebob, which results in a sea of samey soulless rip-off shows that aren't anywhere near as good as what they're trying to replicate. I could also bring up how "quirky millennial writing" and the writers inserting their politics without trying to make it funny kinda ruins these shows too but, I won't go there. Obviously, there are exceptions. I watch western cartoons too so I can attest that there's definitely some good stuff out there, but sadly, the majority of it doesn't get the recognition it deserves (such as Infinity Train) and tends to get cancelled if it isn't an immediate success (see Sym Bionic Titan, which I'm still pissed was cancelled). The obvious outlier here has for the longest time been Adult Swim shows. AS actually embraces weirdness and creativity, and as such, their shows tend to have much more staying power for me, that is why when I think about what my favorite western cartoons are, the majority are from AS. Currently I really like Smiling Friends, and I'm really interested in that new show Genndy made called Unicorn Warriors Eternal, and wouldn't you know it, they're both Adult Swim shows! |
Lokopopo said: AnimePedestrian said: There are some great BDs. Valerian is one I'd really like to see as I'm a huge sci fi guy. The issue is until people high up in the western world media spheres begin to view animation as a medium not a genre aimed at kids we'll never see the west even match Japan let alone surpass them. Another country which has some pretty awesome graphic novels/comics ready for adult oriented adaptations is my own, the UK, the 2000 AD series. I don't think America will be it as Superhero Comics have been exhausted due to the MCU. And well I think movie goers are a little tired of the tropes of Spandex clad adventurers at this point. there is already an animated Valerian adaptation and it's pretty good. As for 2000AD, there is a short animated series about Judge Death and some short animations of other 2000AD characters also exist. Oh that's cool to know, I'll see if I can find them online somewhere. |
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Lokopopo said: Some of the episodes are available on the official youtube page of the show but they are upscaled which cuts some of the animation so I woudl recommend downloading 480p resoultion from torrent. The name of the show is Time Jam: Valerian and Lauraline and it's available in both English and french. Yeah I just found the whole lot on Watch Cartoon Online. All I can find of 2000 AD is a short animated trailer for all their series. There's also Titan A.E. which was a film by Don Bluth which is set in this space opera world which was a fun film but it just a one off with no sequel or spin offs. I think I could list all the good animated western shows worth a watch on one and a half hands whereas Anime the list is just... huge like hundreds of shows which are captivating. |
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Lokopopo said: AnimePedestrian said: Avatar Yeah I just found the whole lot on Watch Cartoon Online. All I can find of 2000 AD is a short animated trailer for all their series. There's also Titan A.E. which was a film by Don Bluth which is set in this space opera world which was a fun film but it just a one off with no sequel or spin offs. I think I could list all the good animated western shows worth a watch on one and a half hands whereas Anime the list is just... huge like hundreds of shows which are captivating. Castlevania Spawn Invincible Arcane Undıone Simspons South Park Futurama Rick and Morty Love Death and Robots Where on earth is Carmen Sandiego He-Man 2002 version Batman animated series X-men animated series TMNT These are the ones that jsut comes to mind and they are clearly more than handful. Some of those are defiantly ones I was thinking off also I'll throw Clone Wars 2003 and Clone Wars 2008 (plus spin offs) a bone. There also a Marvel series but I can't remember its name of the top of my head something 'avengers'. One issue is quite a few are comedies - at least Futurama broke from conventional 'Simpson shows' with the average household family as it core cast - as seen in all the Seth McFarland shows. It intresting as none of those shows I can compare to Fate/Zero, Monster, Ergo Proxy. I feel often most western cartoons are only really able to match a show like Naruto or other Shounen series in complexity and maturity. I don't really think their are many if any GAR like cartoons. If they are intended for adults they nearly always become 'dark comedies' and lose any seriousness they could have held. |
Sometimes it takes a real man to be best girl. Gilgamesh is also chad. |
Lokopopo said: AnimePedestrian said: Some of those are defiantly ones I was thinking off also I'll throw Clone Wars 2003 and Clone Wars 2008 (plus spin offs) a bone. There also a Marvel series but I can't remember its name of the top of my head something 'avengers'. One issue is quite a few are comedies - at least Futurama broke from conventional 'Simpson shows' with the average household family as it core cast - as seen in all the Seth McFarland shows. It intresting as none of those shows I can compare to Fate/Zero, Monster, Ergo Proxy. I feel often most western cartoons are only really able to match a show like Naruto or other Shounen series in complexity and maturity. I don't really think their are many if any GAR like cartoons. If they are intended for adults they nearly always become 'dark comedies' and lose any seriousness they could have held. Spawn is definitely GAR animation there is also Heroman ani,mation which mas made in france and based on a comic. I'll check those out, not heard of Heroman |
Sometimes it takes a real man to be best girl. Gilgamesh is also chad. |
Is this heroman? It looks like it might be an anime? |
Sometimes it takes a real man to be best girl. Gilgamesh is also chad. |
Lokopopo said: Kodeb8 said: I'm obviously incredibly biased here but the short answer is no. Sadly, the majority of western animation is still being held back by what I can only describe as shitty American corporatism. The majority of "adult cartoons" try to re-create the success of the Simpsons or Rick and Morty, and the majority of "kids cartoons" try to re-create the success of Spongebob, which results in a sea of samey soulless rip-off shows that aren't anywhere near as good as what they're trying to replicate. I could also bring up how "quirky millennial writing" and the writers inserting their politics without trying to make it funny kinda ruins these shows too but, I won't go there. Obviously, there are exceptions. I watch western cartoons too so I can attest that there's definitely some good stuff out there, but sadly, the majority of it doesn't get the recognition it deserves (such as Infinity Train) and tends to get cancelled if it isn't an immediate success (see Sym Bionic Titan, which I'm still pissed was cancelled). The obvious outlier here has for the longest time been Adult Swim shows. AS actually embraces weirdness and creativity, and as such, their shows tend to have much more staying power for me, that is why when I think about what my favorite western cartoons are, the majority are from AS. Currently I really like Smiling Friends, and I'm really interested in that new show Genndy made called Unicorn Warriors Eternal, and wouldn't you know it, they're both Adult Swim shows! It will shock you to hear western animation equals to American animation but also animations made in France, Germany, England etc. And eben if we limit it to American animation there are still good adult oriented animatiosn like Castlevania, Invincible, Arcane, Pantheon, Undone and kids animation like Oevr the Garden wall, World of Gumball, Avatar,, Adventure Time etc. And unlike what you think shows like Family Guy and SouthPArk that follow the footsteps of Simons are very succesful in their own right. I've seen a lot of those other shows you mentioned and like some of them, and I could list you even more American cartoons that I like, however when I think about the quantity of good American cartoons vs the quantity of good anime, anime is the clear winner. As for French cartoons, besides Code Lyoko, I haven't seen many French cartoons, but I've heard they're pretty good. |
| Sometimes Western cartoons can be better in quality, yes. It depends on the financial support, interests from the creators and auditorium. |
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| My opinion didn't change. In fact, it's stronger than ever. After 2 years, I can finally say Western Animation is finally dead instead of just dying with very few remnants left besides reboots who are still hated and unpopular. Wokeness is not something people enjoy. Anime superiority was already confirmed by many people before, now it's an objective fact. |
NurguburuJun 6, 9:04 AM
| All weebs creatures of the galaxy, hear this message. Those of you who listen will not be struck by western animation. You will no longer know hunger, nor pain. Your Anime have come to lead you now. Our strength shall serve as a luminous sun toward which all intelligence may blossom. And the impervious shelter beneath which you will prosper. However, for those who refuse our offer and cling to their western animation ways… For you, there will be great wrath. |
| Not even close. In my perspective: • Western Cartoon: Goofy + slapstick • Anime: Better quality, better story Only exceptions are Avatar: The Last Airbender, Gumball, and Arcane |
KeepCalmAndMalJun 6, 3:40 AM
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| Western animation is trash with unfunny shows and ugly art such as Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel and Smiling Friends |
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| Right now both are kinda sucky for the most part, but both get some rare gems every now and then |
| Love can sometimes be magic. But magic can sometimes...just be an illusion... |
| Western animation was/is never any good. Anime was/is not any good either. |
| since the 90's anime been better, that gap completely widened since the late 2010's and 2020's. and that's if we compare all anime vs all western cartoons. if we compare the modern one's then the gap will somehow widen even more. in general anime and anime related mediums have been of far superior quality then western media for the past decades. the main reason is (like others noted in the thread) is wokeness. |
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If we don't count movies. I think western animation gets more time to animate shows more than the anime industry. |
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Anime wins it's not even close.
Wokeness and identity politics have ruined western entertainment, just look at Velma.
Wokeness and identity politics have ruined western entertainment, just look at Velma.
| @Helltaker anime and manga can be "woke" too. |
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