FEMALE MC SUCKS

bastek66 said:
Shitaste. Only fujos hate her because she ruins their yaoi dreams

EasyGo-er said:
Shinoa fans to OP:

TheGrandSage23 said:


Lmao but being given insight on a character doesn't make them any more likeable?

Yuu: I loved his character in the beginning, was excited to see him grow but as the episode went on, he started boring and annoying the heck out of me. We don't need to know that he wants to kill vampires and get his revenge in every damn episodes. We don't need to know that he doesn't value teamwork in every other episodes either. It doesn't help that he never broke a sweat when he was invaded by 2 demons spirit because his mind is strong like that, he's braving orders but welp since he's killing the most Vampires it's ok, kills said vampires so easily (episode 8 fight was cringe-worthy wow), can stand up to a noble rather easily too (I heard that he originally cut the Crowley's guy arm in the manga?? lol) and the girls are liking him more.

Mitsuba: the tsundere is strong in this one and unbearable especially in the space of 2 episodes. Screams and yells at Yu then easily blush when she thinks he's trying to kiss her then is back to getting on his case, not to mention the PIS she suffered in episode 8 when the vampire grabbed her. I couldn't even get into her flashback at all and felt absolutely nothing. It wasn't executed well like at all. Aside from the tsundereness, I haven't seen much of a personality and no the flashback isn't enough hindsight for me to care about her as a character. her playing into tropes is not helping at all.

I have less issues with Yoichi and the other guy but they're still just there for me.

Shinoa is a troll and she's unapologetic about it. She's not trolling the MC only but trolls everyone on sight, even her commander. Her teasing can be mean to the MC but she simply does not care. You don't like the way she does things or talk then respond in kind, she's not stopping. She doesn't take herself seriously at all and is rather a chill and funny character (her doing that imitation of Yu admiring her clothes and complimenting herself was embarrassing and funny to me). One of the few things I like in episode 8 was how she didn't even hide her relief that the Vampire left. But even despite the troll personality, she's tried to make Yu understand why teamwork is important, made Yu gain friends or a new family, has shown worry over Yoichi's fate and Yu and Kimizuki psyche if they killed demon Yoichi. Just recently she tried to cheer Mitsuba up in the shower.

She has a past that was hinted at when she talked about her dead sister and mocked her own breast size in comparison, said that everyone had lost someone in this but never delved on it. There is something there even if we haven't been shown it yet. I don't think she should have made captain of that team, for that matter I don't understand why there wasn't an older and more experienced member assigned to their squad but then again I blame this on the writing which has let me down in many ways. But even so, as of now, she fits the bill better amongst them because she's level-headed and can assess the situation (let Mitsuba and Yu go save the girl but kept Kimizuki and Yoichi near and on guard in case they were attacked ).

Shinoa is a troll, unapologetic, does care about her team and tries to help in small ways when she can. I don't need insight to love her character, it's a plus. She's much more loveable than the MC or Mitsuba at this point, and although I don't think I'll watch more of this she was the reason why I stayed for so long when the story itself has bored me beyond recognition and the fight have been mediocre.

TheGrandSage23 said:


You're joking right? Being likable or lovable doesn't make a good well rounded character

People say she's the only character that doesn't suck but never give valid reasons as to why. The other characters are at least given some sort of insight about them.

And your reasons as to how she's lovable makes little sense

Plus you try to put down Mitsu for playing tropes when Shinoa is pretty much a trope herself and poorly written.

You can like her but doesn't change the fact she's one of the weakest in terms of writing. Being comic relief doesn't make her unique since its been done not only in anime/manga but western shows as well...

She's meh at best and yea if I want to like a character or have a decent written character I need to know about them. It gives them depth and purpose and not just them being their for the sake of being there which pretty much sums up her characters

sekuhara said:
IShe isn't great as a character or a troller. Her tease is no fun at all. She can troll those like Yuu because they are childish and hot-blooded. I don't usually compare characters of different shows but Hibike's Asuka is better as a troller to me and I like her dirty talk.

IncestEmblem said:
Despite the absolutist claims in some of the posts, it is rare that a poster truly dislikes a character because she exhibits a teasing, know-it-all personality. Rather, the poster dislikes the particular use the character has been put to in the story. This generally results from the type of main character the tease has been paired with.

Contrast Shinoa and Yuu with Holo and Lawrence from Spice and Wolf. It is undoubtedly true that Holo is a tease and a know-it-all: She is constantly flaunting her knowledge and experience to Lawrence, referring to herself as the sage wolf who has lived many times the lifetimes of Lawrence. But Holo is much more acceptable than Shinoa for 3 reasons: Lawrence makes good attempts to match her; Lawrence is more graceful in accepting her teasing; and it is made clear that Holo's teasing is playfulness.

First, there is the matter of comparable merit between the tease and the protagonist.

Lawrence is certainly not as wise or experienced as Holo, but he is a mature and experienced merchant in his own right. He has a certain level of competence himself, with in witty replies and in interacting with others. While Holo certainly comes off better in most of their exchanges, Lawrence is generally quick to catch on, even when he is initially caught flat-footed.

Contrast with Yuu. He comes from the character mold of the "baka virgin". He has little idea of what Shinoa is talking about and has no wit of his own to come back with. If he has a retort, it is generally a curt telling-off with no subtlety.

The results show a stark contrast: With Lawrence and Holo, they share almost a student and teacher relationship, with the teacher taking something of a roundabout approach like the great thinkers Kongzi or Socrates--a pleasant and amusing learning experience to watch. With Yuu and Shinoa, it comes off as an intelligent person insulting an idiot--mean-spirited humor at best and bullying at worst.

Second, there is the matter of individual perception.

Lawrence is rather often startled at what Holo says or does, but he generally accepts her behavior and words with good grace. Even when he does not agree with what Holo does, he generally appreciates her behavior.

Yuu is obviously annoyed with Shinoa and is constantly telling her off. He sees her as an intrusion into what he wants to do and has no patience with her.

The way Lawrence accepts Holo suggests that their interaction is the playfulness between friends. That Holo's teasing is also a treat for the audience is a bonus arising out of their friendship. The interaction between Shinoa and Yuu suggests rather strongly of sadism--of one person tormenting another.

Third, there is the matter of establishing the teaser's respect for the teased.

Toward the end of episode 2, Holo starts to recite to Lawrence the details of wolves' attack on humans. Lawrence, being the victim of wolf attacks several times and having lost companions to wolves, had a bad reaction and emphatically told Holo to stop. Holo, realizing that she crossed the line, stops and apologizes.

Shinoa has not had occasion to come near the line of what really touches Yuu, though she is constantly grating him in less important matters.

The episode 2 scene firmly establishes that Holo meant nothing malicious in her teasing. She respects Lawrence and does not wish to harm him with her words. If she does cross the line, she is quick to realize her mistake and apologize. It can be argued that Shinoa respects Yuu but never having brought up a sensitive subject to Yuu in the first place, but the audience is left to wonder whether that is by chance or by respect.

These 3 factors create two very different relationships. Between Holo and Lawrence, it is a wise woman and an intelligence but less experienced man who enjoy each others' company and appreciate each other. It is a pleasure to watch for anyone who enjoys intelligent and pleasant banter. Between Shinoa and Yuu, it is a gadfly annoying an obviously anti-social boy. It appeals to some sense of sadism, but it can quite easily provoke dislike. Certainly disliking Shinoa implies nothing about hating female leads with their own personality.

On an unrelated note, it's hard for me to write Shinoa. I keep having to stop myself from writing Shanoa--a vampire hunter I'm much more familiar with.

TheGrandSage23 said:


You pretty much hit the nail on the head.. The majority who likes her is pretty much because she's comic relief.. That barely fits the atmosphere and comes across as a Bolin type character except he had growth and depth to him in later seasons.. From a storyline/plot perspective she does indeed suck as she's pretty much the cheeky cheerleader on the sidelines who does nothing but troll. Its not arrogance whatsoever. It's just the fact she's not really funny and the way it's set up in the anime it forces it down our throats to the point it gets unbearable.

People say she's the only character that doesn't suck but never give valid reasons as to why. The other characters are at least given some sort of insight about them. We see what they are what they go through and what they want. Cliche sure but I take something over nothing. As it stands Mika and Yoichi are the characters I take interest in.. Shinoa doesn't stand out at all. She's just.....there


As I said before if Mitsuba was getting more action and insight to why she is the way she is in one episode compared to Shinoa who we know nothing about nor does absolutely nothing except try too hard at being "funny and cute" thats pathetic writing. Worse when she's supposed to be a main character. And if she's only there to be a potential love interest then how in the world is she the best character? She has none of her own

TheGrandSage23 said:

And to some people I might seem like I'm bashing her but it could be some are overhyping her. I haven't seen anything in her I haven't seen in numerous female characters. She has a sense of humor and a somewhat trollish nature. That's nothing new especially since numerous female characters share those characteristics.

Takeoff31 said:


Can't you see the foreshadowing of Shinoa's background from her family name? If you can't see that you need to wait for 2nd cour to know more about her and her growth and her relationship with other characters before calling her just being there as comic relief or love interest.

also about her doesn't do anything and only try to be funny and cute, i'm sure she shows how level-headed she is as leader, can assess situation and she is serious when it needs to be serious, maintain good relationship with everyone and she tries to tie the group together and make them learns teamworks and cares with them. She teases and trolls the cast because she tries to be close or shows how close they are . We will get to see more of her leadership in 2nd cour too.

Meanwhile, about the action, she protects Yoichi who has very weak defence because he is long-range fighter in episode 8 and that is the part she always does as the mid-range fighter, her demon weapon is manifestation demon weapon she has weak in close combat and big disadvantage for long-range battle and it is not back demon series. Scythe is very weak compare to other weapon. She mostly does defense and can defense herself but can't attack actively. She can't do much for action scene because vampire mostly do close range battle while horsemen the most effective with longrange and close range weapon, they doesn't give her stronger weapon for a reason but she will show more great leadership soon. Mitsuba can do some action because her weapon still can be used for close combat but she will be useless soon as her weapon is not black demon series.


Tell me about them and how they are same type with Shinoa, shinoa is not only troll, but also teaser, and smug, not to mention she is cute. I want to watch more characters like Shinoa actually.

Trentor11 said:

You're regurgitating what most say.. She is basically comic relief. Her trolling is annoying and doesn't fit the atmosphere. As others have pointed out it could work better if the main cast had any semblance of chemistry. They don't. Her teasing also got Yuu in trouble and his ass kicked.. Acting like a child showing the class his poor test scores when Yuu never had the chance to read understand different languages.

Trentor11 said:


There's trolling and being an immature idiot. Shinoa for the most part has been the later

Trentor11 said:

You mentioning action doesn't disprove she hasnt done anything until episode 8 not did she even attempt to try in previous episodes. The family name means squat at this point because it's barely mentioned or brought up.. It's useless right now and she hasn't shown anything to be a leader.

Mitsuba may be an annoying tsundere but she tries to be a pragmatic leader only for Yuu to screw things up and try to Superman every vamp he comes across "She's serious when she needs to be" Uhh no before episide 8 she was practically trolling Yuu in serious situations especially Guren who was also sick of her attitude. "Makes them learn teamwork" since when? For the most part the rookies themselves have self taught themselves with Guren helping. Shinoa basically stands on the sidelines. For the most part her teasing has been nothing but comedic effect and has been directed at Yuu and sometimes Guren till episode 8. We have yet to see how that brings the main cast together.

Trentor11 said:

"I want more characters like Shinoa" I want Shinoa to be more of a decent character yet it hasn't happen. Hell I could use Holo(seems like a popular comparison for some reason) or Nio Hashiri from Akuma No Riddle(a lot of females from that series) similar personality. Smug trolling brown nosing teasing character yet better written and more interesting.

Takeoff31 said:

Comic relief? you don't even know her background.

That is why she is trolling, you know those people who troll in internet are annoying and that is right she is trolling it doesn't mean to be funny for you but for herself, they have good chemistry for me, you just have serious hate boner.

What trouble? it makes the class notice him and makes his friends know he can't into Kanji so next time they will help him with kanji or they will help him to learn about it. Why did he not learn this past 4 years when he was with Guren? it was his own fault. It can be his motivation to learn about it to later so nobody will make fun about that anymore.


That is the real trolling, if you search trolling on google you will know what is trolling means.


She did alot, she called Guren for help in ep 2 if not Yuu would die, she explained about the demon weapon and everything to Yuu, she warned Yuu not to fight civilian, she paired with Yoichi to make Yuu and Kimizuki gets close, she reminds Guren that he is lazy and needs to be in class more often, she asks Guren not to let Yoichi die and tried to help, she explained to Yuu not to hate Mitsuba, and explained to Mitsuba why Yuu are acting like that, reminded Yuu not to mess around, tells Mitsuba not to blame herself about her past. Shinoa tries to make everyone in the group get close with each other, is that not a leader task?

Mitsuba is their trainer, they skip the part in manga when she asks shinoa what to do when they help the girl from monster, and shinoa can read the situation and order according to that, what is the impressive Mitsuba leadership that you see please explain to me? she did her part as trainer and Shinoa was holding the other two not to attack because that are trap and Yuu is not even wants to follow Mitsuba's order as she is not the leader but Shinoa. Shinoa tries to calm down the little girl they help. Does she still do nothing for you? Not to mention Mitsuba is basically a demsel in distress this episode how is she awesome leader when she doesn't want to fight vampire because of PTSD and she even said about abandoning the human earlier.

Also Shinoa teases them to get closer with them and only tease those who she is close with.

She is the only character with her family being part of the main cast, i mean like siblings and father, it will be explained more in 2nd cour.

Just read the manga and LN for you to better judge her character.

Your hate is raging too much i want to laugh.



Just wait for 2nd cour i said. Those character you mentioned i'm not interest they are not cute and sarcastic like Shinoa.

Trentor11 said:


Laugh all you want.. If hating means giving reasonable opinions about a character then fine but I'll keep biting. Learn what the term "hater" means before misusing it because some has different opinions than you kid

"You don't know her background" that's doesn't stop her from mostly being comic relief

And look up the word "trolling" there's different from that and an immature idiot. Quit misusing the word

"They are not cute and sarcastic like Shinoa" except they are objectively better written and more interesting
You keep telling me to wait for the 2nd cour as it somehow undermines my argument. I'm stating currently her family means nothing because it's NOT explored

It seems like you're hating on Mitsuba going by your poor logic. Never did I say she was an awesome leader and calling her a damsel in distress because she got saved by Yuu once is laughable I stated she was pragmatic. And your "child" argument proves this. Mitsuba and the entire audience watching knew the child was a trap yet Yuu broke her command and got the group into a confrontation they could've avoided and what if one of them were killed? Do we put a kid's life over the people who exterminates vampires? Which in turns helps humanity? Uhh no and yes Mitsu has PTSD.. For good reason. If the only reason you can give Shinoa is "well she's cute and sarcastic" then this argument is done. Mitsu is cliche but she's given more depth. I will take something out of nothing.

Every thing you keep listing for Shinoa is basically her giving insight to what Yuu and the rest knew via Guren. The only thing she did good you listed was pairing with Yoichi and even then Yuu and Kimi have really bad chemistry. Your arguments are basically "Shinoa says this Shinoa says that" that's it. She's not the one keeping the team together because the team isn't balanced. "She told Guren not to let Yoichi die and tries to help" False. After Guren told her he would be fine she stayed quiet on the sidelines. However I supposed you mean she was showing concern so fine I'll give you that. The characters have little chemistry. The cast is basically this in steps


1) Yuu and Kimi start chatting
2) Either one says something not worth getting angry about
3) pointless fight
4) Yoichi tries to calm them down but fails
5) Shinoa trolls
6) Mitsu yells at them then blames Yuu and says "I Hate you" and storms away

Takeoff31 said:


She is indeed immature idiot often in her trolling but she is like that for a reason she will start to change through the story that is why i said wait for 2nd cour

comic relief because you don't want to know her background, you don't want to know, that is your being ignorant not her character fault.

Her family appears in ep 5, they are relevant, and doesn't yourself ever question why does Shinoa can troll Guren like that eventhough he is superior, doesn't you question why does she not seem to sad about her sister died, does you not have question why is she become the leader instead of a professional one? why is her weapon so weak? why is she so weird?
Is she still comic relief after you know all of that answer? because they will explain about her more in 2nd cour or you can read the manga and LN.


That is why Shinoa helps Yuu and Kimi to have a better chemistry and she successed, right?

And the 6 things your point only happen in latest episode, it won't happen again.


The point of you, is not only you hate Shinoa, you hate this show too and doesn't bother to know more about her or about this show.

So, i'm convince that i don't need anymore this discussion because you refuse to know more about her or wait until they tell more about her, you just want to hate on her.

Objurgo said:

Stop saying to read the LN or manga. This is an anime discussion thread. Making them irrelevant as people are judging the anime, not the former. This is also a 1 cour show. The second season will be released depending on this seasons sales. And none of the questions have been answered yet to this point making her development slow for someone who was introduced in the second episode thus warranting the dislike for her.

Takeoff31 said:


This show is confirmed for split cour though, 2nd cour airs in October if you don't know even MAL already created the 2nd season page

another ignorant one i see

Objurgo said:


Shows and plans get canceled if they don't do well. Shit, look at Silent hills.

And using MAL as an official source is laughable at best.

Takeoff31 said:


They can't cancel what they already confirmed. The manga and LN sales are doing well.

You are laugable at the best, the official website wrote about it and even the anime official twitter even wrote it on its description.

How can someone be so ignorant...

Objurgo said:


They can totally cancel what's been confirmed, it has happened many times before.

Do manga and LN sales correlate to the contribution of DVD/BD sales? Not completely I'd say. A well written manga/LN could be popular amongst the people, giving the story an opportunity to be adapted into an anime. That adaptation however, could be poorly executed, just doesn't translate the feelings from original material well. Disappointing old fans and potential, leading to the cancellation of that adaptation but continuation of the still popular manga and LN. We've seen this many times with video games or novel, to movie adaptions and vice versa

I like how you think a adopting condescending attitude makes you right :P

Takeoff31 said:


Give me example of that cancelation for anime adaptation of a manga please?
all of them are never confirmed, meanwhile this anime 2cour is confirmed, why are you so insisted to deny it? what is the problem with you?

That is not how adaptation work, are you new? And this anime adaptation so far is loyal to the source material they didn't skip important part of the manga at all.

Trying to be smart but i see how stupid and ignorant you are

Objurgo said:



Route 20, was a manga made by the creator of EVA but was cancelled due to low sales of another project that studio was working on

Dream Machine, confirmed and was being worked on, was cancelled because of the creators passing

Five killers, was confirmed to have an adaptation made by Gonzo but was cancelled

Was never confirmed but some of theses were straight up dropped for lack of sales or problems with the authors, though ending in cliff hangers or large hints that there was a sequel to be;

H.o.T.D, the author basically stopped working on the manga entirely thus leading to the discontinuation of a well received show.

The promised sequels to Durarara are looking a little shaky.

Kizumonogatari is confirmed. But has been sitting there for so long with next to no news on progress that fans have basically given up on the idea that it'll ever come out

Sora no Otoshimono was confirmed to have another season but the idea was scrapped and turned into a terrible movie

Others I can think of;

Btoom

Kore wa zombie desu ka

Zombie loan

Deadman wonderland

Takeoff31 said:


Are they even popular?

Objurgo said:


From what I've seen, Route 20 was generally liked. Five killers was getting some hype around it. HotD was actually popular and was even a gateway anime to some. Durarara is popular but when I last checked, the second season wasn't doing as well as the first. Kizumonogatari derives from the Monogatari series which is widely popular. The rest have mixed opinions

Takeoff31 said:


Kizumonogatari will definitely happen. Durarara too, there is no confirmation of them being cancel.

As of the rest if Manga/LN sales are not increased after 1st season they won't create another season especially if the BDs sales was not good too and there was no confirmation since the anime aired.

For OnS the first 12 episode is just an introduction, i don't think they will cancel it no matter what since it has been planned for 24 episode since 2013 when the producer started taking interest to adapt it. Not to mention the manga and LN sales are increased much since the anime starts.

Kanohane said:
Shinoa does a great job at ...just being...there...Bathory's likable..even though that name is an obvious pun...lol this show makes me think of how "off" Aldnoah Zero was xD

slovak125 said:


What? Alzbeta Bathory was a historical character. She was a countess in 17th and to date she is regarded as the worst and most famous mass murderer in Slovak history.

She suppossedly KILLED and before that tortured (wax, heated iron, fire etc) around 2000 humans, mostly young women. Then she would often take a bath in their BLOOD to preserver her beauty and to become IMMORTAL. That's why people often thought that she was a VAMPIRE! Got that connection?


Author just stole her surname, that's all.

Mineur said:
Wow people never cease to surprise me, she has a pretty unique personality while still being strong and caring.
What do you shits want. The usual tsundere? The cliche tall redhead with boring/next to none personality?! The cliche blonde girl that always needs to be saved?

Objurgo said:



A character who acts like a retard to make up for a tragic past isn't unique. In fact, the scythe makes her one of the most cliche anime characters in the series :P

mira-nyan said:


Well she always had that personality...

And she's not 'making up' for her past. :/

LittleStar said:
I don't really know what more piss me off in her?
That she have all the typical behavior/personality like 5 girls in typical show?
(sarcastic, tsundere, shy, strong, sempai (for Yuu), Yuri (for Mitsuba)...

soon maybe we will find out that she meet you in childhood so this will makes her his childhood friend, she will also get some dark past... and everything what else anime character can be.

LittleStar said:
Maybe she isn't, but I feel about her like this.

This is something bad about it?

Ok, I have other reason.
I don't like her hair that why I don't like her.

Do you have problem with that?

Objurgo said:
That is a pretty silly reason to dislike a character :P

mira-nyan said:
No, lol, that's fine. At least you're not serious. :P