Basic Game V6: Kitty Mafia | Game End - Mafia Win!

_Claire_ said:
Think logically.
If I were scum, why would I kill CP? It puts me in bad position, it is obvious I am being framed now.

_Claire_ said:

Says every scum in every single mafia game. Rips.

PentaFlare said:
You aren't cleared on your "facts" Claire. If there was no information about us other than the fact that we both made these claims, it would be 50/50 to guess who is yelling the truth. However, because there is more information, a careful analysis can be done and the odds will different. I intend to show that the likelihood of you being town is very unlikely.

_Claire_ said:

Nah it is clear to me though, if towns intend to let another misleading like my last mafia game and refused to see the truth that I presented to them, I have no idea what to do.

_Claire_ said:

This tunneling is awfully weird imo..

Vote: CorruptedPurity

_Claire_ said:

Hmm, I am more convinced about my vote now, it might be because I am paranoid for the moment, but I doubt it.

_Claire_ said:

Sorry >__< my game is way too addicting ugh

Cp looks awfully scummish in my eyes and not because he has done something scummy but its something else.

logic340 said:
after 118-120 of hope you don't just try to rely on your role. We win because everyone believe Purity's claim and ignored the behavior. Why should we do that here again? Were you not in support of Grapefruit's warning post?

Grapefruit21 said:

Here's the thing though: 1 one you is dying this phase 100% with this dictohmy. And we can afford it to be you first because you haven't claimed a PR. The only way we lynch Claire first here is if she is caught in a provable lie. And that isn't the case right now.

Vote: PentaFlare

If you're town sorry and we'll lynch Claire tomorrow and get a 1 for 1 which is pretty great.

_Claire_ said:

I dont get whats the problem. I caught him mechanically so what do you want me to do? Try to persuade you guys to vote him?

About convenience: thats how my result shows up, you want me to lie? -.-

logic340 said:
vote:_Claire_
all that talk about town needs to step up now you're leaving it to mechanics and not stepping up. If Penta is truly scum then do something to help me believe this claim.

Grapefruit21 said:

Here's the thing though: 1 one you is dying this phase 100% with this dictohmy. And we can afford it to be you first because you haven't claimed a PR. The only way we lynch Claire first here is if she is caught in a provable lie. And that isn't the case right now.

Vote: PentaFlare

If you're town sorry and we'll lynch Claire tomorrow and get a 1 for 1 which is pretty great.

Grapefruit21 said:

You are awful gung-ho to lynch a claimed PR, I know you're scum reading Claire but it's not like she claimed under huge pressure here. Are you really willing to throw away a town PR because you're so sure of this read?

Grapefruit21 said:

You are awful gung-ho to lynch a claimed PR, I know you're scum reading Claire but it's not like she claimed under huge pressure here. Are you really willing to throw away a town PR because you're so sure of this read?

Grapefruit21 said:
I'm here, listening and thinking. Don't have much to say

_Claire_ said:
Also I am not the only one pushing for CP, Penta and Grape too. But its funny how once again its me who gets all the blame. Also cant help but feel like Penta/Logic are trying to divert attention from the main wagon.

You can investigate all my posts you want but you wont get the flip you want.
I hope towns are sensible enough to know I wont do such risky things as killing CP. JUST THINK.

Towns have been speculating left and right that if CP is town I will be scum.
Why would I kill CP it will put a lot lot of attention on me. You can say this is reverse psychology but seeing the past few games, towns are so dead on scummy behaviours that they dont care about the other obvious one. I am not that stupid to kill CP and put me in such bad position.

logic340 said:
@Grapefruit21 she's diverting attention to you here what are your thoughts?

logic340 said:
@_Claire_ you tried to make Purity eat a salty lynch yesterday. You have to explain this to me before I'll even consider moving my vote.

here are some stater questions:
-Am I still scum?
-Weren't you throwing suspicion on Grapefruit before you claimed?
-Why wouldn't you give be a meta read on CP?
-I asked several times was CP's meta read on Grapefruit bad? You never answered...I want an answer.

logic340 said:
hm....
I guess I'll start working this Claire iso then...

logic340 said:
based on yesterday I don't believe that she would have power role and I don't believe we're just throwing it away you're not even questioning it which is very concerning considering your warning at the beginning of the game

logic340 said:
after 118-120 of hope you don't just try to rely on your role. We win because everyone believe Purity's claim and ignored the behavior. Why should we do that here again? Were you not in support of Grapefruit's warning post?

logic340 said:
that's only the case of Claire isn't a vengeful which is much worse for us. Please don't ignore that possibility. Also what has Claire fine to have earner trust here?

logic340 said:
based on yesterday I don't believe that she would have power role and I don't believe we're just throwing it away you're not even questioning it which is very concerning considering your warning at the beginning of the game

logic340 said:
@_Claire_ remember it was you told us to suspect whoever was saved by Rosie's Lynch. And that person is you

Grapefruit21 said:
@logic340 I never thought Claire was scum. Playing a strange/suspect game, but not her scum game.

I wouldn't call the post you quoted in 1025 diverting at all. It's not changing the subject to another issue. Yes, it's involving other players but Claire is still on subject.

I'm really surprised that I'm being told not to rely on mechanics here, these are the exact sort of dichotmy's that make the game easier. If you can find much better proof that Claire is scum that the ramblings you have now I'll vote Claire because one of these two dies today. But for the time being I'm not going to lynch the claimed investigative.

@PentaFlare I am looking at the chances of each player being scum and I maintain strongly that logic was onto something with Claire carrying over resentment from last game (I had emotions carry over too, but channeled it in other directions such as trying to make sure we had EoD wagons). That said what does Claire stand to gain from carrying it over as scum? Town Claire would be likely to tunnel in and focus on the people who beat her the previous game if they give her the slightest excuse. I don't see the scum motivation for doing so.

TLDR: I don't think Claire is scum because I am seeing the same emotional play logic has been harping on and think it comes from town.

PentaFlare said:

Here, Claire expresses doubt in her own vote. This is occasionally done by town, but very often done by mafia who know they are voting a townie. They don't want to seem certain of their vote on a townie because that would look bad on them when the flip happens.

_Claire_ said:

I did bread-crumb I had a PR, but I lied about what kind of PR I am. See, how much you dont read my posts. It saddens me.

_Claire_ said:

Nope. It was CP.

You pushed my lynch, but you backed off and then you voted Rosie.

PentaFlare said:

Town Claire does not stand to gain from posturing a scum read like in the post I brought up. Even if she might be a little emotional from a previous game, that wouldn't lead her to tunnel through to another game, focusing on a single player. Scum does stand to game from posturing a scumread because it allows them to vote an innocent townie with less reasoning. It is a psychological thing. Mafia posture scumreads because then a vote with less reasoning feels more like a "I've been building up to this" thing than a "I have weak reasoning" thing.

Take a look at her rapid vote changes between Purity and grrr. Do you see a town motivation in how fast her read on grrr slingshots and how that somehow makes Purity, who we know was town, to be super scummy in her eyes?

PentaFlare said:

Didn't you just say you knew CP wasn't going to be lynched? How then was CP the one saved?

_Claire_ said:


this occasionally done by town....

Often by mafia....

Yet it seems you refused to see it from Town POV yet you wanted try so hard to paint me scum. Please, you are not making sense right now. You are contradicting your post left-right if this is proof I am scum, but you say it yourself town also does it.

PentaFlare said:

I said that town does it, but mafia does it more often. That means the behaviour is something that is more scummy than townie. In combination with the weak reasoning for your vote, it supports scum!Claire, not town!Claire. There is no contradiction in saying something is more often a mafia move than a town move.

I think my points are perfectly clear, you just don't want them to make sense.

Grapefruit21 said:
@logic340 I never thought Claire was scum. Playing a strange/suspect game, but not her scum game.

I wouldn't call the post you quoted in 1025 diverting at all. It's not changing the subject to another issue. Yes, it's involving other players but Claire is still on subject.

I'm really surprised that I'm being told not to rely on mechanics here, these are the exact sort of dichotmy's that make the game easier. If you can find much better proof that Claire is scum that the ramblings you have now I'll vote Claire because one of these two dies today. But for the time being I'm not going to lynch the claimed investigative.

@PentaFlare I am looking at the chances of each player being scum and I maintain strongly that logic was onto something with Claire carrying over resentment from last game (I had emotions carry over too, but channeled it in other directions such as trying to make sure we had EoD wagons). That said what does Claire stand to gain from carrying it over as scum? Town Claire would be likely to tunnel in and focus on the people who beat her the previous game if they give her the slightest excuse. I don't see the scum motivation for doing so.

TLDR: I don't think Claire is scum because I am seeing the same emotional play logic has been harping on and think it comes from town.

_Claire_ said:

Nope. It was CP.

You pushed my lynch, but you backed off and then you voted Rosie.

Grapefruit21 said:

Here's the thing though: 1 one you is dying this phase 100% with this dictohmy. And we can afford it to be you first because you haven't claimed a PR. The only way we lynch Claire first here is if she is caught in a provable lie. And that isn't the case right now.

Vote: PentaFlare

If you're town sorry and we'll lynch Claire tomorrow and get a 1 for 1 which is pretty great.

_Claire_ said:

Meta-reading me wont work, because you last saw my game more than half a year ago. But as you please.

Question to you @logic340 you see my scum-game right?
Do I strike you as a careless mafia? Do you think I will just change my vote left/right? Do you think I will claim like this as town? please answer with neutral mindset. JUST think, would I do it? If you still think I am, I guess I am wasting my breath trying to convince you because whatever I say wont register anymore since you want me to be scum, not you try to see my alignment.

logic340 said:
The scum motivation is in your description of what town Claire would do. She is using that to her advantage right and gaining a read off emotion rather than her behavior. This is not like you Grapefruit.

This tells me you were not read the end of day because you were very much an option and very much got saved.

_Claire_ said:

Meta-reading me wont work, because you last saw my game more than half a year ago. But as you please.

Question to you @logic340 you see my scum-game right?
Do I strike you as a careless mafia? Do you think I will just change my vote left/right? Do you think I will claim like this as town? please answer with neutral mindset. JUST think, would I do it? If you still think I am, I guess I am wasting my breath trying to convince you because whatever I say wont register anymore since you want me to be scum, not you try to see my alignment.

_Claire_ said:

If you just use the argument that scum does it more, but there is a chance I am town but doing such a thing. I am not sure, are we playing probability now? If we are "Penta ocassionally gets town, but Penta often gets scum..." therefore he must be scum? Weak reasoning, woops, hold on. You know I meta-read a lot, and I thought he played like quite his scum-game. You may think this is weak and underplays my read. But that is all you are doing.

PentaFlare said:

You are just trying to discredit me here. The same scum tells that applied to me in some of my first games still apply to me now. I've just learned my own so I know to focus on avoiding them. Specific tells on players don't just dissapear, they can only learn to avoid them. That's an adaptation of one's play. You haven't learned to avoid this tell because this is the first time it has every been explicitly stated to you. I only learned to avoid my tells after being lynched many times for them.

The passage of time can't erase a tell, because scummy things are still scummy.

_Claire_ said:

As much as one of us is dying lets not waste this entire phase on just two of us.

What do you think of Rosie's lynch? You were inside too, no?