Fiveflower said: When you spell it out for me, it sounds a lot more logical and obvious, than it did in my head. Thanks a lot for the elaboration. Oh, and sorry if I sounded as if I wanted to imply that Anonymous_Player's language somehow makes understanding of the presented ideas more diificult, because it is totally not the case here. Not at all. In fact, it would be me who was implying that Anonymous_Player's writing was difficult to understand. The evidence that points to that argument is the fact I elaborated on his behalf without asking him. I'm the REAL asshole in this case! Anonymous_Player said: I was having a hard time proving his innocence MrOCD, are you the killer? LOL Why would he Kill Maizono in his own room knowing that it will be the greatest evidence pointing to him? Then again, it is not a strong alibi to use Who knows. My biggest guess is a gambit that bets on the life of the one who made it, that being Naegi. He did it in a attempt to make it look like someone else did. The fact that everyone (read: other students) is suspicious of Naegi, it's possible that they are thinking the same theory I made. Most of the evidence heavily points against him, so that makes his gambit a failure. Anonymous_Player said: Also the 11037 is most likely not a herring and was writtenby maizono If LEON is the killer, why incriminate himself / Why not erase it? if it is a herring, why LEON? is it much easier to blame Naegi since his close to Maizono and its his room when the killer realize the room was not Maizono's Maizono has some blood on his poiting finger where the 11037 is written, |
MrOCDJul 15, 2013 10:11 PM
| After reading everyone's theories and re-examing my own...I have found the flaws in my theories (and some people have pointed it out). I've pieced everything together, and I think they fit quite nicely, so I present to you, my modified theories! Let me first state that I'm going to take a crack at it and explain what I think happened. I'll try my best to make sense, and I'll try my best to have as much supported evidence to show you I didn't just take some random guess. Alright...here we go xD (I've also tried to organize it to the best of my ability) My Theory Sequence of Events (I had a lot of trouble with this one) ***JUST A WARNING: this is...pretty long xD prepare yourself Proving Naegi's innocence My hand literally hurts from writing so much. I actually didn't just write this all out to finally organize my thoughts, but my intention was that I kind of wanted to figure out if I was at least some what close and didn't go way off tangent, so can someone PM me and maybe reassure me that I'm at least some what close to what actually happened? It's killing me and I hope I'm not that far off from the truth, but DON'T TELL ME WHERE I GUESSED WRONG! I'd just like to know if I got at least some of it right (but don't tell me what I got right!) Maybe pointing some things out (flaws) in my theories/sequence of events/proof for Naegi's innocence could also help me out because that's helped me a lot these past few days. The suspense is REALLY kill me, lol but I can't wait to watch the class trial! This is probably going to kill me every week lol I'm dying to know what actually happened but I won't give in! I will persevere and try my best not to check any spoilers of what actually happened o__o; |
EarlCielJul 15, 2013 11:30 PM
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EarlCiel said: After reading everyone's theories and re-examing my own...I have found the flaws in my theories (and some people have pointed it out). I've pieced everything together, and I think they fit quite nicely, so I present to you, my modified theories! ... The suspense is REALLY kill me, lol but I can't wait to watch the class trial! This is probably going to kill me every week lol I'm dying to know what actually happened but I won't give in! I will persevere and try my best not to check any spoilers of what actually happened o__o; I highly suggest everyone to listen to the game's climax BGM while reading this. The same BGM used when putting the order of events in a manga-esque form. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-ckGji2Mcg - Sorry, there is no extended version of the music. Avoid the spoilers on youtube! Edit: @EarlCiel's theory I'd call you the Super Duper High School Sleuth for this alone. More effort than the majority who are wild-mass-guessing. Without a doubt they would probably snark back if their guess was correct, despite it possibly being a red herring. Also, your drawings are adorable. Such innocent looking things doing evil around the place. |
MrOCDJul 16, 2013 3:01 AM
EarlCiel said: -epic deduction- I would really like to give you a cookie... lol |
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kaimax said: EarlCiel said: -epic deduction- Wow, what a very nice deduction you have there. I can't wait to see your performance on the later cases. xDD One thing though under B sequence of events. Remember in episode 1 Sayaka was in Naegi's room after Oowada punched him down? She could probably seen the golden sword there. It was displayed after all. xDD |
| @kaimax- ;;___; I love cookies <3 You don't have to haha I think that everyone deserves a cookies because by posting our individual theories, we can draw from the theories of others and use them if they make sense in our own. I certainly couldn't have done it myself lol MrOCD said: @EarlCiel's theory I'd call you the Super Duper High School Sleuth for this alone. More effort than the majority who are wild-mass-guessing. Without a doubt they would probably snark back if their guess was correct, despite it possibly being a red herring. Also, your drawings are adorable. Such innocent looking things doing evil around the place. That soundtrack is sounds so...epic!! xD I can already feel the tense atmosphere that they're probably going to have in the class trial and it's sending chills down my back. THANK YOU for that spoiler warning. I really needed that warning because Danganronpa is something I avoid searching on Youtube just because of my fear of the spoilers and something I LOVE to do is check the comment section below. I also tried to look up some fanart, but thankfully it was nothing out of the ordinary, but I remember someone (maybe it was on another thread?) warning about the fanart so I'm staying away from that as well. Thanks for your compliments, but I actually started off taking wild guesses from the beginning actually, xD As for the the part about the incinerator in my theory- Thanks for the compliment about the drawings! lol I really got carried away doodling on the map. It's not the best, but I'm glad you liked it. I honestly tried my best to explain myself only using words, but thought adding that visual representation might help others (and to help me understand where I'm going with an idea) . @NorseFTX- I really am crossing my fingers and hoping it isn't a red herring...lol otherwise I'll feel like I'm betraying anyone who reads my theory and my post and endorses it. I'm pretty sure that death message is truthful, though since the way she looks like she's trying to hide it and just the way it was written (upside down) seems like too much of a coincidence if someone else wrote that. |
EarlCielJul 16, 2013 8:52 AM
DenjaX said: Wow, what a very nice deduction you have there. I can't wait to see your performance on the later cases. xDD One thing though under B sequence of events. Remember in episode 1 Sayaka was in Naegi's room after Oowada punched him down? She could probably seen the golden sword there. It was displayed after all. xDD Thanks! :D Actually...I'm very worried about the later cases because someone noted how it would get a lot harder. Yeah, if it's going to get that hard I'm probably going to have a lot of trouble and my brain will start hurting a lot. It actually took me almost a good week to finalize everything, and in the beginning I was one of the many people freaking out and taking wild guesses. I still am freaking out because the harder it gets the more I'm probably going to freak out so even I won't know what state of mind I'll be in when I'm trying to crack the other cases. Hopefully I'll still be sane ;___; & I never thought about how she could've possibly been in his room the first episode... |
| ^Also about your theory on the incinerator room. If the culprit managed to open the shutter and throw the evidence, why leave the scrap of evidence(burn cloth and glass shards)? That would definitely ruin his perfect crime... EDIT: Also, what is this supposed to be?: xDD Nah, just kidding. I really like your drawing.... so adorable. I also laughed a lot with your other possibility to counter your theories like Hagekure staying INSIDE the incinerator room under closed shutters just to tell a fortune. My sides xDD If you go deeper into his character, that wouldn't be surprising at all. xDD |
DenjaXJul 16, 2013 9:15 AM
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EarlCiel said: Yeah, I also recommend you to not look for fanart or even original artwork of the characters. They themselves are too spoilery. Stumbling upon something you shouldn't know about, I mean ANYTHING will spoil the whole story. It's just that big. EarlCiel said: Thanks for your compliments, but I actually started off taking wild guesses from the beginning actually, xD Oh, I think you are misunderstanding something. I knew I should have put the word "just" in that post. It would have said "More effort than the majority who are just wild-mass-guessing." Taking wild guesses is all part of solving mysteries. "If you can still feel fear, then you can still imagine." is what Kirigiri would say. It's just that one should continue to seek the truth instead of settling with the easy solution. Man, I sound like I'm speaking like a game character. Now I feel dorky. (Implying that I'm not already a dork.) EarlCiel said: Ooooh, I didn't consider that. I don't have a problem with the idea of having a switch within the gate. I just wanted to know how you thought of the idea. It's all good. :)As for the the part about the incinerator in my theory- EarlCiel said: Ah, I see. There is nothing to deny it being a possibility. It does seem to be the most logical. EarlCiel said: Yeah, now that you mention it... the only way for your logic to make sense about the culprit not burning every piece of the clothing would be that he was being too laid-back or maybe tired after the drama. It's a possibility, but I'd like it if you consider that not being the case. What if he didn't overlook that part of the incinerator? Could there be another reason to why the clothing didn't have everything incinerated? So many variables to consider.Canon or not, your story of the events that took place is great, and I think you deserve a good rest. |
MrOCDJul 16, 2013 10:38 AM
ponygon123 said: I am stuck determing whether or not the letters spell out of the killer or was it planted. Is it just the dying message you are confused about? Thinking about how the dying message appeared would get you nowhere unless you can pair it up with some evidence to how it happened. We cannot tell you if it was made by Maizono or the culprit. All we can do is tell you if something doesn't make sense, as in if something contradicts evidence 'A' or 'B'. But you can try to think of how either of them did it and shape the whole story from there. |
| Ok, now I'm really having second thoughts about the bloody message. Until now I didn't stare to much at the victim picture and just assumed she would have used her right hand to write because it made sense, but this is not the case. Her bloody fingertip is on the left hand, and it's a really awkward position to write anything like that. Try sitting like her and use your left hand on the wall. It's impossible writing at that exact place on the wall! Maybe she didn't write it after all O_O Another thing I find odd is the way the blood is everywhere. From what we know she only got one stab wound in her stomach. How did it get on the wall behind her in that manner? How come her clothes not as bloody as the floor beneath her? Aaaargh, maybe I'm wrong but it's complicated. I'm seeing a lot of contradictions in that victim picture, it's killing meee D: |
| Alright so here is my theory so far. I haven't seen any of the theories written afterwards as I am only looking at the OP here for the evidence list. Any points of uncertainty will be highlighted in purple and will be addressed in another section. I will also just follow the red truth/blue truth system from Umineko. Sequence of Events: Explanation for the Evidence: Points of Uncertainty: Proving Naegi's Innocence: Damn...that took me a good hour or so to write... Nice to get my thoughts down though... |
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TomangoJul 16, 2013 4:30 PM
CreationBreaker said: xDD I tell ya, witches exists. -Outstanding Umineko deduction crossover- Anyway, I just noticed that proving Naegi's innocence is very tenuous. Since Sayaka is already dead, no one will confirm Naegi's testimony so he will still get under pressure with suspicion. They will think that Naegi is one crafty killer. xDD Also regarding the key switch, they could refute it by assuming Naegi switched the keys when he went to check for Sayaka. |
DenjaXJul 16, 2013 5:16 PM
mikado34 said: Ok, now I'm really having second thoughts about the bloody message. Until now I didn't stare to much at the victim picture and just assumed she would have used her right hand to write because it made sense, but this is not the case. Her bloody fingertip is on the left hand, and it's a really awkward position to write anything like that. Try sitting like her and use your left hand on the wall. It's impossible writing at that exact place on the wall! Maybe she didn't write it after all O_O So, I actually tried this and as it turns out, it's not all too awkward to write like that. As a matter of fact, Thank you for helping me confirm some part of my theory. Also, Kirigiri is too cute. <3 |
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DenjaX said: ^Also about your theory on the incinerator room. If the culprit managed to open the shutter and throw the evidence, why leave the scrap of evidence(burn cloth and glass shards)? That would definitely ruin his perfect crime... DenjaX said: EDIT: Also, what is this supposed to be?: xDD Nah, just kidding. I really like your drawing.... so adorable. I also laughed a lot with your other possibility to counter your theories like Hagekure staying INSIDE the incinerator room under closed shutters just to tell a fortune. My sides xDD If you go deeper into his character, that wouldn't be surprising at all. xDD LOL yeah...-ahem ahem- that was supposed to be a screwdriver since I was just drawing random tools that popped in my mind. I don't think they were even given a screwdriver but...hey...I was trying to be a little creative? xD Sorry I tried, and my art definitely doesn't deserve any compliments haha I really was just randomly doodling stuff quickly My other theories that my final one stemmed off of were...pretty creative, don't you think? I never thought things through that well, but for some reason imagining him in that situation seemed pretty realistic to me because I guess I saw him as that kind of a character haha AnimeFan500 said: @Earl: OMG!! Genius deduction. You'd make a great detective like Sherlock Holmes. : ) You deserve a hand shake and now I take a bow before you. About the Incinerator theory: Thanks!but...it really wasn't on my own that I came up with that deduction I had a lot of help and it took me a long time to figure things out. With that being said, I'm far from being a detective lol, but thanks for the compliment :) @MrOCD- Yeah...I think I'm going to settle down and wait for the class trial. I think it's pretty impossible for me to get everything 100% right, and I definitely need to rest. Thanks for the help! I really have you to thank for guiding me to the right direction (especially in the beginning when I was just throwing completely random guesses with little or no evidence to back it up)! |
EarlCielJul 16, 2013 5:17 PM
CreationBreaker said: upupupu this is basically Earl's theory word for word. what a coincidence... |
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Mono-bear said: They could be on the right track. After all, there is only one truth. xDD So having the same speculation could only raise the probability of it being right. xDD upupupu this is basically Earl's theory word for word. what a coincidence... But then again, both could be wrong haha. |
DenjaX said: CreationBreaker said: xDD I tell ya, witches exists. -Outstanding Umineko deduction crossover- Yep. The killer was Beatrice the Golden Witch and she did it with magic. End of Story. XD DenjaX said: Anyway, I just noticed that proving Naegi's innocence is very tenuous. Since Sayaka is already dead, no one will confirm Naegi's testimony so he will still get under pressure with suspicion. They will think that Naegi is one crafty killer. xDD Also regarding the key switch, they could refute it by assuming Naegi switched the keys when he went to check for Sayaka. In the end, Naegi can't really pull out Knox's 7th and 9th since he is a suspect. Only we as the third person observer can do that. This is much more challenging. Mono-bear said: CreationBreaker said: upupupu this is basically Earl's theory word for word. what a coincidence... Who's Earl? Actually, I just double checked the episode and I noticed that the Broken Crystal Ball was only a few inches away from a pole which we see from the front view behind the grating to have two switches. Now, I am 100% sure that that is the inner switch for the incinerator gate. |
Ashen_MikoJul 16, 2013 5:47 PM
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CreationBreaker said: Regarding with your tools theory, were you under the assumption of everyone receives a toolbox on their own as a gift from Monokuma?DenjaX said: CreationBreaker said: xDD I tell ya, witches exists. -Outstanding Umineko deduction crossover- Yep. The killer was Beatrice the Golden Witch and she did it with magic. End of Story. XD I have a red truth that could refute one of your theory but unfortunately, it would help you reach the truth. I want to make you believe witches exist! As for the Knox's Decalogue, I am sure they remain faithful to the rules. But I have a bad feeling the anime will fail to deliver, thus, breaking the rule due to the being rushed.... |
DenjaX said: CreationBreaker said: Regarding with your tools theory, were you under the assumption of everyone receives a toolbox on their own as a gift from Monokuma?DenjaX said: CreationBreaker said: xDD I tell ya, witches exists. -Outstanding Umineko deduction crossover- Yep. The killer was Beatrice the Golden Witch and she did it with magic. End of Story. XD According to the evidence list, "Naegi's tool set, which came with his room. According to Monokuma, everyone is given a tool set of their own." This is where that assumption is derived from. DenjaX said: I have a red truth that could refute one of your theory but unfortunately, it would help you reach the truth. I want to make you believe witches exist! Repeat in Red. "Not everyone recieved the toolbox as a gift from Monokuma"! Jk. If you feel like it go ahead, but I think I am going to wait for the class trial for anything else. DenjaX said: As for the Knox's Decalogue, I am sure they remain faithful to the rules. But I have a bad feeling the anime will fail to deliver, thus, breaking the rule due to the being rushed.... Thirteen episodes, huh...if we have a death every other episode, will it be enough? I don't know how many deaths there are since I haven't played the game so I can't really say. I doubt it will be too rushed but I do hope they adhere to Knox's Decalogue as much as possible... |
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CreationBreaker said: Who's Earl? well you might not know but she's the person who posted right above you somewhere. this is what she said a page ago, you should take a look at it since it might uncover some of your "points of uncertainty" but there are no guarantees EarlCiel said: After reading everyone's theories and re-examing my own...I have found the flaws in my theories (and some people have pointed it out). I've pieced everything together, and I think they fit quite nicely, so I present to you, my modified theories! Let me first state that I'm going to take a crack at it and explain what I think happened. I'll try my best to make sense, and I'll try my best to have as much supported evidence to show you I didn't just take some random guess. Alright...here we go xD (I've also tried to organize it to the best of my ability) My Theory Sequence of Events (I had a lot of trouble with this one) ***JUST A WARNING: this is...pretty long xD prepare yourself Proving Naegi's innocence reading thoughts of others might help you more than just alone |
Mono-bearJul 16, 2013 6:12 PM
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CreationBreaker said: To be more precise, there is only a certain rule that I am concerned with(I won't mention of course). Other than that, they will definitely follow the rules accordingly so rest assured. They didn't break any rules at the moment. xDDThirteen episodes, huh...if we have a death every other episode, will it be enough? I don't know how many deaths there are since I haven't played the game so I can't really say. I doubt it will be too rushed but I do hope they adhere to Knox's Decalogue as much as possible... |
CreationBreaker said: So, I actually tried this and as it turns out, it's not all too awkward to write like that. As a matter of fact, Thank you for helping me confirm some part of my theory. Haha yeah, well I can write it too and it spells the same. I wasn't sitting in an correct upright position when I tried it myself *teehee* MrOCD said: Yeah, now that you mention it... the only way for your logic to make sense about the culprit not burning every piece of the clothing would be that he was being too laid-back or maybe tired after the drama. It's a possibility, but I'd like it if you consider that not being the case. What if he didn't overlook that part of the incinerator? Could there be another reason to why the clothing didn't have everything incinerated? So many variables to consider. This seems like a perfect way to blame another person. I looked into the first episode and yes here's a hint. |
Mono-bear said: CreationBreaker said: Who's Earl? well you might not know but she's the person who posted right above you somewhere. this is what she said a page ago, you should take a look at it since it might uncover some of your "points of uncertainty" but there are no guarantees EarlCiel said: Theory That actually covered my point of uncertainty about the lure. Although there is no direct evidence to support it at this point, it actually seems to make sense. It also makes me wonder how exactly However, it still doesn't explain how he got the glass ball...I'm still drawing a blank on that one. DenjaX said: CreationBreaker said: To be more precise, there is only a certain rule that I am concerned with(I won't mention of course). Other than that, they will definitely follow the rules accordingly so rest assured. They didn't break any rules at the moment. xDDThirteen episodes, huh...if we have a death every other episode, will it be enough? I don't know how many deaths there are since I haven't played the game so I can't really say. I doubt it will be too rushed but I do hope they adhere to Knox's Decalogue as much as possible... Ohh...? DenjaX said: Fuck...well, I think my theory stands well overall...I just need to fine tune the details... DenjaX said: Anyway, I just noticed that proving Naegi's innocence is very tenuous. Since Sayaka is already dead, no one will confirm Naegi's testimony so he will still get under pressure with suspicion. They will think that Naegi is one crafty killer. xDD Actually, I thought about this and wouldn't Naegi just have to get Monokuma to confirm in front of everyone during the trial that there was a trick to the door and that only he and Maizono knew about it? Once he did that, all he would have to do to prove his own innocence is present the fact that the door was forced through. Although, I have my doubts that Monokuma would cooperate with that but it's still worth the shot. |
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DenjaX said: CreationBreaker said: To be more precise, there is only a certain rule that I am concerned with(I won't mention of course). Other than that, they will definitely follow the rules accordingly so rest assured. They didn't break any rules at the moment. xDDThirteen episodes, huh...if we have a death every other episode, will it be enough? I don't know how many deaths there are since I haven't played the game so I can't really say. I doubt it will be too rushed but I do hope they adhere to Knox's Decalogue as much as possible... Tch, I may have misread the part where Monokuma said: "Last but not least, I sent you all some small gifts." "I want you all to rack your brains around them and enjoy yourself!" The reasons why I believe Monokuma was ALSO referring to the tool set was because: 1. The screen was directing us towards the tool set. 2. Monokuma said "some" which could be referring to multiple gifts. 3. "I want you all to rack your brains around them" may be a sort of pun to hit someone in the head with them. Reasons why I support this part is because the game also has Monokuma making a pun about hitting someone in the head after mentioning the tool set. 4. "small" could literally be referring to the size of the gifts. The other meaning could be that it was referring to the value of whatever gift, which is subjective to one another. Granted, the 3rd line of reasoning would be in colour purple for uncertainty. But putting them together would make it seem most likely that Monokuma was referring to the tool set. Edit: Either way, a tool set exists. It does not matter if there are more. I may just have to re-edit my post, though. |
MrOCDJul 16, 2013 8:36 PM
CreationBreaker said: That actually covered my point of uncertainty about the lure. Although there is no direct evidence to support it at this point, it actually seems to make sense. It also makes me wonder how exactly However, it still doesn't explain how he got the glass ball...I'm still drawing a blank on that one. The note could've been sent in a number of ways, but I believe that I struggled a lot with how the culprit could've obtained the glass ball, and I've narrowed it down to a single choice- EDIT; Actually, about the whole glass ball thing THIS is kind of why we should pay more attention to things that are going on and perhaps take a look at things that others discover xD As I was reading that post I was just amazed at how sharp eyes this person has lol I swear I didn't even pay attention to the fact that they even had a laundry room since I thought they'd just wear the same clothes everyday. Wait...do they? I don't pay attention to things like that so I kind of was just under the assumption they wore the same clothes every single day lol If the fortune teller is as carefree as he appears to be (I hate to make assumptions, but this one makes sense and follows my theory on how the glass ball had to be misplaced somewhere in order for Leon to obtain it) so it wouldn't surprise me if it was actually the laundry room he left it in! It also makes sense because apparently the laundry room is accessible during night time, so I think that if there would be a room that we could guess he left it in, one high possibility is the Laundry room since it is accessible, and in that screenshot we see him reading a magazine. he could've unknowingly left the glass ball there after directing his focus on the magazine. I'm not certain that it was this room it could've been left in, but I'd say this would definitely be my best guess. Thank you, mikado34 for your very sharp eyes ^^ |
EarlCielJul 16, 2013 9:30 PM
EarlCiel said: Well, I had originally thought that she had probably slipped the paper through the bottom of the door, however, you could call it my desire to play devil's advocate. I was pretty much making my point under the assumption that there may be no way to slip it in but that's probably impossible. On another note, I wonder if Hagakure has more than one crystal ball given that he seems to misplace those things quite easily. XP MrOCD said: DenjaX said: CreationBreaker said: To be more precise, there is only a certain rule that I am concerned with(I won't mention of course). Other than that, they will definitely follow the rules accordingly so rest assured. They didn't break any rules at the moment. xDDThirteen episodes, huh...if we have a death every other episode, will it be enough? I don't know how many deaths there are since I haven't played the game so I can't really say. I doubt it will be too rushed but I do hope they adhere to Knox's Decalogue as much as possible... Tch, I may have misread the part where Monokuma said: "Last but not least, I sent you all some small gifts." "I want you all to rack your brains around them and enjoy yourself!" The reasons why I believe Monokuma was ALSO referring to the tool set was because: 1. The screen was directing us towards the tool set. 2. Monokuma said "some" which could be referring to multiple gifts. 3. "I want you all to rack your brains around them" may be a sort of pun to hit someone in the head with them. Reasons why I support this part is because the game also has Monokuma making a pun about hitting someone in the head after mentioning the tool set. 4. "small" could literally be referring to the size of the gifts. The other meaning could be that it was referring to the value of whatever gift, which is subjective to one another. Granted, the 3rd line of reasoning would be in colour purple for uncertainty. But putting them together would make it seem most likely that Monokuma was referring to the tool set. Edit: Either way, a tool set exists. It does not matter if there are more. I may just have to re-edit my post, though. Technically, the purple uncertainty was just something I created to denote anything I was still uncertain about. Given that purple words had different meaning in Umineko but would be completely useless here, I just created another meaning for them. For those who are wondering about what it meant in Umineko, Anyways, I take it that means that at this point, we can assume that everyone has a tool set in their room even though it contradicts DenjaX's Red Truth. |
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avengersaint said: Here is my prediction everyone: But just in case, as a backup: Sorry, I'm unconvinced that this would be the case. While all the evidence points to either Leon, Naegi, or even Hagakure, I do not believe Maizono Sayaka would be the one to kill herself. mikado34 said: MrOCD said: What if he didn't overlook that part of the incinerator? Could there be another reason to why the clothing didn't have everything incinerated? So many variables to consider. This seems like a perfect way to blame another person. I looked into the first episode and yes here's a hint. Sorry, but that would be highly unlikely, at least from your explanation. While it was a good theory, there is evidence that goes against the idea. There might be another reason to why the clothing wasn't completely incinerated. This idea only works if the culprit wasn't Leon. Off-topic: Holy crap, that ad is annoying. So intrusive. |
MrOCDJul 17, 2013 12:26 AM
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MrOCD said: mikado34 said: MrOCD said: What if he didn't overlook that part of the incinerator? Could there be another reason to why the clothing didn't have everything incinerated? So many variables to consider. This seems like a perfect way to blame another person. I looked into the first episode and yes here's a hint. Sorry, but that would be highly unlikely, at least from your explanation. While it was a good theory, there is evidence that goes against the idea. There might be another reason to why the clothing wasn't completely incinerated. This idea only works if the culprit wasn't Leon. Hmmm, then I'm blank on how to explain the clothing part. Man, it's in situations like this that I wish the players had professional detective tools to investigate the crime, like in the Ace Attorney series. Dangan Ronpa sure is frustrating when you can only rely on observations ^^" |
| Mm... Pulling apart which pieces of evidence are real and which are not is crucial to solving the case (or any case in general). To try to tease out whether the cuff is planted-- |
MrOCD said: avengersaint said: Here is my prediction everyone: But just in case, as a backup: Sorry, I'm unconvinced that this would be the case. While all the evidence points to either Leon, Naegi, or even Hagakure, I do not believe Maizono Sayaka would be the one to kill herself. mikado34 said: MrOCD said: What if he didn't overlook that part of the incinerator? Could there be another reason to why the clothing didn't have everything incinerated? So many variables to consider. This seems like a perfect way to blame another person. I looked into the first episode and yes here's a hint. Sorry, but that would be highly unlikely, at least from your explanation. While it was a good theory, there is evidence that goes against the idea. There might be another reason to why the clothing wasn't completely incinerated. This idea only works if the culprit wasn't Leon. Off-topic: Holy crap, that ad is annoying. So intrusive. Yeah I can totally see why my "first theory" is unconvincing, but I just thought it would be interesting to have a different kind of a theory, you know? |
| Case 1 Timeline So, after reviewing the entire thread [barring any game spoilers], I have decided to come up with a giant Theory of Everything that has to do with Case #1. The theory will be arranged into a timeline, a section detailing which evidence proves what events, a section that details the motivation behind each event, a section that details how the theory explains each piece of evidence thus far, and a section for proving Naegi's innocence. Afterwards, there will be a summary section detailing the who-dunnit, how-dunnit, and why-dunnit. As per my previous theory, this theory shall also follow the red truth/blue truth convention. Some of my last theory's points will be copy-and-pasted over here. Now, then. It is time to start the show! Come one, come all! Bear witness to CreationBreaker's magnificent and colorful deduction show! I guarantee that it will be a spectacle you will regret missing! Timeline Evidence-->Events Motivations behind events Events-->Evidence Proving Naegi's Innocence: One more thing: In summary: Thank you for staying with my deduction spectacle. I do hope you enjoyed the show. EDIT: BBcode Errors...Ugh... |
Ashen_MikoJul 17, 2013 2:21 PM
| (Also known on other places as Hiss13) All hail the adorable chess master! |
CreationBreaker said: Now, then. It is time to start the show! Come one, come all! Bear witness to CreationBreaker's EarlCiel's + DenjaX + mikado34 + CreationBreaker + everyone else who helped by contributing their thoughts that made this magnificent and colorful deduction show possible! I guarantee that it will be a spectacle you will regret missing! Upupupu...I AM A BEAR! and it truly is maginificent that you have come up with this. You deserve a round of applause but so do the others you took ideas from so I fixed your post for you. Don't act like you solved everything by yourself. people deserve some credit for contributing those ideas not just you. give credit where it's needed by maybe quote the people who speculated those things with their thought processes added on or how they came to that conclusion with supported evidence that they used. It looks like you came up with those situations from thin air because it looks a lot like you did just now. |
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| Such a massive train of thoughts CreationBreaker, bravo. Aside from all the theory, I have a problem with Maizono's logic. She must have some kind of plan in case her killing attempt should backfire. Locking yourself inside the bathroom isn't the best idea since you are trapped and a door handle is breakable. Besides she only learned about the door that night. I don't think she had it planned out that well to begin with. |
Mono-bear said: Upupupu...I AM A BEAR! and it truly is maginificent that you have come up with this. You deserve a round of applause but so do the others you took ideas from so I fixed your post for you. Don't act like you solved everything by yourself. people deserve some credit for contributing those ideas not just you. give credit where it's needed by maybe quote the people who speculated those things with their thought processes added on or how they came to that conclusion with supported evidence that they used. It looks like you came up with those situations from thin air because it looks a lot like you did just now. If you didn't notice, in the very first sentence, I state So, after reviewing the entire thread [barring any game spoilers], I have decided to come up with a giant Theory of Everything that has to do with Case #1. I figured it was implied that I had merged my theory with the theories others proposed in this thread. However, you are right that I should have probably quoted and referenced. You are right that all of those people deserve credit. At the same time, all I said in that line that you claimed to edit is that I am presenting this deduction. As in that was my show. My colorful show. mikado34 said: Obviously, Maizono wasn't exactly in the best of mental states. The smarter thing to do at that time would have been to leave the room and find another location to hide in like her own room where Naegi was at that point. In other words, should the murder fail, hide somewhere. I think she actually had that as a back-up plan but forgot about it completely in the heat of the moment. Even so, I have my doubts that that backup plan would work against a baseball player. Such a massive train of thoughts CreationBreaker, bravo. Aside from all the theory, I have a problem with Maizono's logic. She must have some kind of plan in case her killing attempt should backfire. Locking yourself inside the bathroom isn't the best idea since you are trapped and a door handle is breakable. Besides she only learned about the door that night. I don't think she had it planned out that well to begin with. |
| (Also known on other places as Hiss13) All hail the adorable chess master! |
| *nod nod* oh but I didn't just edit that part Monobear said: CreationBreaker said: Bear witness to CreationBreaker's EarlCiel's + DenjaX + mikado34 + CreationBreaker + everyone else who helped by contributing their thoughts that made my magnificent and colorful deduction show possible! but indeed twas a very colorful you presented. my eyes are still trying to adjust to seeing such a bright blue upupupu |
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Mono-bear said: *nod nod* oh but I didn't just edit that part Monobear said: CreationBreaker said: Bear witness to CreationBreaker's EarlCiel's + DenjaX + mikado34 + CreationBreaker + everyone else who helped by contributing their thoughts that made my magnificent and colorful deduction show possible! but indeed twas a very colorful you presented. my eyes are still trying to adjust to seeing such a bright blue upupupu That's what I get for not reading properly. Damn...ever since I wrote out that long timeline and proof, my brain has slowed down a lot. I mean, that thing took two hours to finish and even then it still had its errors (BBcode stuff)...maybe I just need to relax a bit. |
| (Also known on other places as Hiss13) All hail the adorable chess master! |
| * Super Model: She didn't want to go to the Trial * Super Shaman: His crystal ball is broken.. but that's so obvious that I don't think he could be the guilty * Celes: She's so misterious, why did she want so hard that everybody stay on their rooms at night? Why is she so sarcastic? Other theory is Maizono suicide, I don't think this so much but it's possible. Why was she so ehhhmm "suspecting" when Naegi leaves her in his room? I think she was tramming something.. but what? |
CreationBreaker said: Case 1 Timeline Thank you for staying with my deduction spectacle. I do hope you enjoyed the show. Hoho, you were able to find that very sneaky information I didn't add. Well, I couldn't find that fact until much later, but I decided not to put it in. (That fact is told right before telling us about the small gifts.) I will now update the topic post since this is told to us by Monokuma. Great deduction. There is very little to nothing I can refute about other than the characters' carelessness. It's all in theory, but it's logical to factor in carelessness in solving these cases. After all, everything is done within a small time frame, and sometimes not everything goes the way one wants it to. avengersaint said: Yeah I can totally see why my "first theory" is unconvincing, but I just thought it would be interesting to have a different kind of a theory, you know? Eh? Did I do something wrong? Did I approach too strongly? Is it my name? Is it too obnoxious? Is it not obnoxious enough? Kasegawa said: too little evidence to solve.. There is enough information to go around solving this case. If anything, I'd say there is a little too much being given about it. You just gotta use your IMAGINATION™ and put the pieces of the puzzle together for it to make sense. |
MrOCDJul 17, 2013 11:13 PM
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