All those things will happen in episode 2? Or there is build up for that later? Thanks for telling us tho.. |
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starswper said: If this is true, then I'm curious what was his reason for doing it. If he did it just because they were annoying or something not really serious, then MC is also a villain and I can no longer have sympathy for this character. Thats basically the reason yeah, his logic was "they inconvenienced me slightly so it's only right if they pay me back" |
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| >Being so outraged about a fictional story in a fictional world that features fictional drawn characters. That sounds like a first world problem alright. |
Tannhauser said: >Being so outraged about a fictional story in a fictional world that features fictional drawn characters. That sounds like a first world problem alright. Yeah! How dare people criticize my anime when there are kids starving in Afica. |
| people art saying people on twitter are gonna freak out cuz they freaked out over goblin slayer and yeah, people probably are gonna freak out (before they realize this type of stuff happens in real life too) (minus all the magic of course) on a different note, why is this even getting adapted? its not even good lol but I digress |
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| This thread is apparently dominated by incels and feminists, which are two of the most insufferable groups of ignorant losers in existence today. Nothing these silly fools say should be given even an iota of respect, for the opinions of such inept ignoramuses have no value whatsoever. Fuck each and every one of you annoying little pests. As for the series, I decided to read a bit of the manga to see where the story goes... and there is indeed some cause for concern. I won't post any spoilers, but it is true that rape is very much a central plot element in the story, and both sides are guilty of it to some degree; however, the MC is definitely the more innocent party, and what he actually does is... well, you'll just have to find out. What makes it concerning to me is how everything was presented - in particular, the bouncy-boob ecchi aesthetic takes away from the content, and the writing makes it seem like it was intended for an incel audience. To be frank, reading the manga made me feel a little gross. That said, I would definitely argue that the MC's desire for revenge is at least understandable, and since he is merely "returning the favor," I do not find the use of rape quite as objectionable under these specific circumstances. "Eye for an eye" means the punishment should fit the crime, and despite my general opposition to such, I can think of no more equal punishment for a rapist than rape, regardless of gender. Also, this story takes place in a fantasy world that does not believe in the concept of human rights, so it makes sense that everyone would think less of such a heinous crime. In the end, though, this does amount to being a story about evil vs. evil, as the MC has become twisted by the abuse, so I expected just about everyone to act like a piece of shit. Were I him, they would have suffered through far worse... |
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| So it's just a disturbing anime? I gave it a pass based on the synopsis and the poster art, but I may have to watch it at a later date possibly... I dunno why anime of this nature comes under such scrutiny when the endless supply of shock films aren't bothered with much at all... That's the whole point of stuff like this, to mess with your head and shock you with explicit scenes. Yes, a whole lot of people like this sort of thing, myself included. Imagine conforming to the tastes of the easily offended, holy shit, just don't watch the damn thing you muppets.... |
Tannhauser said: >Being so outraged about a fictional story in a fictional world that features fictional drawn characters. That sounds like a first world problem alright. As always, obviously.. |
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Lemonov said: rdexx said: people can still take issue with and question the morality of events in fiction. The actions that MC takes aren't presented as something moral and/or good. I don't see any problems with stories starring antihero protagonists. I can't believe you can think that after reading the manga. |
Lemonov said: I can, because I'm not insecure enough to self insert into every protagonist in every piece of media I consume. Much more goes into presenting someone as moral and good than just relating to the MC. In the manga blood and physical trauma is relegated to minor panels while tits, ass and legs are all on full display. Character's warp their expression into Ahegao faces, a shorthand for physical pleasure. The fact the manga uses a known hentai artist for the art demonstrates that keeping the sex 'sexy' was a major consideration. Rapes rarely linger on trauma and if they do the character is swiftly eliminated or broken into loving the MC so no potential guilt from the readership lingers. While probably incidental even the fact that the MC is a healer reinforces this because it gives an excuse for why bruises or scarring doesn't permanently last. |
| This fucking thread man. Reading through this thread made me lose so many brain cells. If any of you go through the same shit as the protagonist does, you will be the same as him if not worse LMAO. The protagonist actually turns out on the better end of the spectrum. With what he goes through, I would understand even if he hates everything in the world. But he is still kind to the 2 woman he love, Eve and Setsuna. People getting triggered by his rape antics when his rape targets are the worst kind of scum who deserve much much worse. |
MaraDollex23 said: simplydru said: This thread is apparently dominated by incels and feminists, which are two of the most insufferable groups of ignorant losers in existence today. Nothing these silly fools say should be given even an iota of respect, for the opinions of such inept ignoramuses have no value whatsoever. Fuck each and every one of you annoying little pests. As for the series, I decided to read a bit of the manga to see where the story goes... and there is indeed some cause for concern. I won't post any spoilers, but it is true that rape is very much a central plot element in the story, and both sides are guilty of it to some degree; however, the MC is definitely the more innocent party, and what he actually does is... well, you'll just have to find out. What makes it concerning to me is how everything was presented - in particular, the bouncy-boob ecchi aesthetic takes away from the content, and the writing makes it seem like it was intended for an incel audience. To be frank, reading the manga made me feel a little gross. That said, I would definitely argue that the MC's desire for revenge is at least understandable, and since he is merely "returning the favor," I do not find the use of rape quite as objectionable under these specific circumstances. "Eye for an eye" means the punishment should fit the crime, and despite my general opposition to such, I can think of no more equal punishment for a rapist than rape, regardless of gender. Also, this story takes place in a fantasy world that does not believe in the concept of human rights, so it makes sense that everyone would think less of such a heinous crime. In the end, though, this does amount to being a story about evil vs. evil, as the MC has become twisted by the abuse, so I expected just about everyone to act like a piece of shit. Were I him, they would have suffered through far worse... I completely agree with you but why the sword princess too. She never did anything bad. To be honest, she kind of slipped my mind - I was probably thinking more of their party in general. I have read a few of these "revenge-bait" titles, and I probably enjoyed this one the least thus far because it was the most incel-fappy, which may have been way I overlooked her... but yeah, that was fucked-up. |
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MoonDragon72 said: He does not have the right to get revenge at all. This show is basically trying to enforce toxic masculinity by showing that "it's ok to rape them because they were mean to me". No one is overreacting. The hate is comepletely justified. SJW spotted oh no no no |
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ag_ said: TheLoverBoy said: "Anyone I don't agree with is an incel" In this case, yes. Because even if the mc was raped, beaten and drugged etc., do you really think raping his enemies back will do anything? How is that the right way round anything? That's why I'm saying that. Rape is bad whether it's male, female, revenge or not. so basically "don't rape that's wrong! torture these guys physically and psychologically, that's definitely much better and not as twisted" |
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LightVelox said: ag_ said: In this case, yes. Because even if the mc was raped, beaten and drugged etc., do you really think raping his enemies back will do anything? How is that the right way round anything? That's why I'm saying that. Rape is bad whether it's male, female, revenge or not. so basically "don't rape that's wrong! torture these guys physically and psychologically, that's definitely much better and not as twisted" You know what, you win this. But at least be honest, this would have been so much better without rape or if it was some random hentai. |
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LightVelox said: ag_ said: In this case, yes. Because even if the mc was raped, beaten and drugged etc., do you really think raping his enemies back will do anything? How is that the right way round anything? That's why I'm saying that. Rape is bad whether it's male, female, revenge or not. so basically "don't rape that's wrong! torture these guys physically and psychologically, that's definitely much better and not as twisted" Absolutely because a well presented torture scene will remain uncomfortable to the audience. The victim's trauma is taken seriously and the aggressor is presented as being at least morally grey. People would be much less sympathetic to the MC if he just tortured rather than what this series prioritizes. |
Outfrootz said: This type of drama honestly happens with every ecchi/gore anime or something, I wouldn't call this show a bad one so far as the this is a unique take of a isekai. it also looks like a anime that is at the border of being differentiated from a hentai. This just reminds me of interspecies reviewers and how it had the same drama happen online. this not even an isekai lol |
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Lemonov said: mnedel said: As has been said several times in this and other treads, its not about the rape itself but how its portrayed that is the problem. In Attack on titan the death and destruction are clearly shown as something horrible illustrating the horror and futility of war. Similarly, the torture and rape the MC in Redo of a healer endures is not problematic because it is clearly framed as something terrible, the focus is on his suffering and trauma. But when the MC does the rape, the focus is on how sexy it is, cool, empowering. He gets a harem and more and more power and he later rapes not just the villain but women who did nothing but mildly annoy him. Revenge stories generally have two versions: One where the protagonist is the underdog and the villain an active treat to him/her and others. The protagonist then kills the villain in combat as a mix of revenge and self-defense, so the audience can mostly get behind this. The second is where the protagonist captures/incapacitates the villain and then tortures/kills him/her in cold blood sometime involving innocents too. In this type of narrative, the story clearly frames this as wrong and tragic. The audience can see the mental state of the protagonist, how he/she is broken and has become a monster too, how violence begats violence and everything is one big tragedy. Like I already wrote, there is nothing like this in Redo of a healer. MCs is shown as cool for doing the things he does. It really looks like an incel power fantasy. Couple this with a convoluted plot, illogical setting, caricatures for characters and this show is all around terrible. If you are into porn why not watch a proper hentai. I really don’t see the appeal of this show. TL;DR "why won't it preach to me about rape bad?" Grow a pair, will ya? Also why do you want every piece of media to present you with a huge "X bad, Y good" narrative? Why not just treat Healer as a story about a sadistic mindbroken maniac as is, why do you need the author to directly tell you that the MC is not a good person? Are you really too stupid to figure it out on your own, so you need the author to tell you that? And why are you asking for one specific narrative that you like and don't want to treat it as just a revenge story? Plenty of those already exist and people are okay with them, but again, once rape becomes involved then it's suddenly "problematic" and should be banned. I think you missed pretty much everything that person said. You didn't even try to understand him did you? Cause you say stuff like Lemonov said: once rape becomes involved then it's suddenly "problematic" and should be banned. When he clearly opened his comment with mnedel said: As has been said several times in this and other treads, its not about the rape itself but how its portrayed that is the problem. It's not about "hurr durr just grow a pair". It's about how they present their story. When you make dark stories like these, where the MC is an anti-hero, or even a straight up villain. What most "un-problematic" stories have in common is that they take their time and effort to make the character likable/sympathetic/relatable and so on and so forth. They give him depth in some way. Because it would be hard for people to enjoy a series if they don't even like the MC ("like" doesn't mean endorsing what he does). While in Redo of Healer, he's just a cardboard cutout, most plain MC in existence whose supposedly "sympathetic" context is spoon-fed to us in the most horrendously written way possible. Just cartoonishly evil characters did cartoonishly evil things to him. Turn the edge factor to the highest level. And what he does in return is just written in such a way purely for shock factor. What many find "problematic" with this story in terms of rape specifically. Is that it's rape for rape's sake. It doesn't use rape as a tool to develop the story. It repeatedly use rape at every turn in the story. Every female character in the story will most likely be raped at one point or the other. And most likely by the MC himself. It's just done in a distasteful way. And I can see why people say that it seems like it's made for incels. |
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| the first epiosde to me felt like the anime was trying to edgy for the sake of being edgy, im not saying its bad, i actualy liked but i think for some people that can be a turn off, i dont mind any of the rape and stuff iv seen worse as far as first episode go i felt it had good animation and art, |
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Banana2021 said: FFCreations said: Uff okey, you say im putting words in his mouth, but this Dragonblabla writes himself “He does not have the right to get revenge at all”, if he cant get revenge, then what should he do if not forgive them. Still i would like to discuss it with you because you are so bright, by nit-picking some points and not providing your own standpoint. But yeah, only because she was "mean" to him its okey and he can’t get revenge, cause WOMANPOVER AND WOMAN ALWAYS. Its fun to argue with a side that states “He does not have the right to get revenge at all. This show is basically trying to enforce toxic masculinity by showing that "it's ok to rape them because they were mean to me". No one is overreacting. The hate is completely justified.“ or the moment someone mentions he was abused, tortured, raped and humiliated, just say “I don't give a shit. Just because someone was raped that doesn't give them the right to rape them too.“ I would like to know what would you do in his situation. And no hard feelings toward you, I understand what you mean, but you try to make this guy look better than he really is.What is with the people on this forum? Personally I don't agree with the "toxic masculinity" and whatnot. But the people from the other side make just as bad arguments. Neither really tries to see each other's side nor do they even attempt to understand. This whole comment chain was in argument for the people defending the MCs actions. Not the other party. Pretty much everyone here agrees that what the other party did was wrong so there's no point to bring that up. And this person even reinforced it by saying Yet you insisted that When that wasn't what this conversation was about. Now you're just putting words in his mouth with a scenario on the extreme end. His point is that doing the same thing they did to him is wrong. Not that he should straight up forgive them and move on. You say Yet I'd argue that people defending the MCs actions are equally disgusting. Fine if they want to watch and enjoy it for entertainment. But seriously defending his actions is pretty disgusting. Now again. I'm not really on his side either. I disagree with some of the things he said. Especially the "toxic masculinity" part. But both sides does such a poor job to understand either side. Banana2021 said: by nit-picking some points and not providing your own standpoint. I have provided my own standpoint. Several times. In this very thread. And like I mentioned previously. I personally don't agree either with the "toxic masculinity" point he's trying to make. But I don't agree with the people who say the MC is fully justified in making sex slaves, raping, torturing and murdering them. I think those people are as disgusting. Banana2021 said: he was abused, tortured, raped and humiliated, just say “I don't give a shit. Just because someone was raped that doesn't give them the right to rape them too.“ Obviously that's horrendous. And the way he brushes it off with "I don't give a shit" is in very poor taste. But you also have to understand his point, regardless of how he communicated it. Which is that just because he was raped, doesn't mean he has the right to rape them back. Which I agree with. He is just lowering himself to their level, if not even worse at some points. All under the umbrella of being justified for "revenge". Which is in extremely poor taste as well. Banana2021 said: I would like to know what would you do in his situation. Well considering I'm not a murdering rapist psychopath. That probably wouldn't be my go-to plan of action. And I hope that the people who do say they would do the same as the MC are either not serious or just joking. Because if they are serious, then I suggest maybe speaking to a therapist. Even if it what they did to me was the same as they did to the MC. I wouldn't become a rapist myself. I would probably try and bring justice, but I wouldn't sink to their level. |
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Banana2021 said: FFCreations said: Hmm okey fair enough, i like your point of view or to be more precisely i understand it. But i still believe if you endure this kind of fucked up shit in especially this young age, to seek his kind of revenge is not far-fetched. Still in my opinion the biggest point is that this is fiction, like for example John Wick, no one bets an eye that he massacres tons on people just because of his dog, because they “understand” the character or pity him, but if you switch in to "real world", its safe to assume all/most of the people would not "like". I believe it plays a big role in why people are “defending” his actions or to me it seems more like they understand his actions, nevertheless if they are “good” or “bad”. One last point i dont believe they have therapist in this medieval kind of setting hahaI have provided my own standpoint. Several times. In this very thread. And like I mentioned previously. I personally don't agree either with the "toxic masculinity" point he's trying to make. But I don't agree with the people who say the MC is fully justified in making sex slaves, raping, torturing and murdering them. I think those people are as disgusting. Obviously that's horrendous. And the way he brushes it off with "I don't give a shit" is in very poor taste. But you also have to understand his point, regardless of how he communicated it. Which is that just because he was raped, doesn't mean he has the right to rape them back. Which I agree with. He is just lowering himself to their level, if not even worse at some points. All under the umbrella of being justified for "revenge". Which is in extremely poor taste as well. Well considering I'm not a murdering rapist psychopath. That probably wouldn't be my go-to plan of action. And I hope that the people who do say they would do the same as the MC are either not serious or just joking. Because if they are serious, then I suggest maybe speaking to a therapist. Even if it what they did to me was the same as they did to the MC. I wouldn't become a rapist myself. I would probably try and bring justice, but I wouldn't sink to their level. FFCreations said: Hmm okey fair enough, i like your point of view or to be more precisely i understand it. But i still believe if you endure this kind of fucked up shit in especially this young age, to seek his kind of revenge is not far-fetched. Still in my opinion the biggest point is that this is fiction, like for example John Wick, no one bets an eye that he massacres tons on people just because of his dog, because they “understand” the character or pity him, but if you switch in to "real world", its safe to assume all/most of the people would not "like". I believe it plays a big role in why people are “defending” his actions or to me it seems more like they understand his actions, nevertheless if they are “good” or “bad” and one last point i dont believe they have therapist in this medieval kind of settingI have provided my own standpoint. Several times. In this very thread. And like I mentioned previously. I personally don't agree either with the "toxic masculinity" point he's trying to make. But I don't agree with the people who say the MC is fully justified in making sex slaves, raping, torturing and murdering them. I think those people are as disgusting. Obviously that's horrendous. And the way he brushes it off with "I don't give a shit" is in very poor taste. But you also have to understand his point, regardless of how he communicated it. Which is that just because he was raped, doesn't mean he has the right to rape them back. Which I agree with. He is just lowering himself to their level, if not even worse at some points. All under the umbrella of being justified for "revenge". Which is in extremely poor taste as well. Well considering I'm not a murdering rapist psychopath. That probably wouldn't be my go-to plan of action. And I hope that the people who do say they would do the same as the MC are either not serious or just joking. Because if they are serious, then I suggest maybe speaking to a therapist. Even if it what they did to me was the same as they did to the MC. I wouldn't become a rapist myself. I would probably try and bring justice, but I wouldn't sink to their level. Banana2021 said: But i still believe if you endure this kind of fucked up shit in especially this young age, to seek his kind of revenge is not far-fetched And that's a point we can only really speculate on. But just to bring in real life examples. How many victims of torture and rape do you believe go out to enact revenge in just as brutal manner? I can save you some time and say that a extreme minority of those people do. Banana2021 said: Still in my opinion the biggest point is that this is fiction, like for example John Wick, no one bets an eye that he massacres tons on people just because of his dog, because they “understand” the character or pity him The difference here being the character himself. John Wick is clearly shown to be a sympathetic character. They don't start the movie by having him torture and murdering people and then giving us sympathy through flashback. And he doesn't take great pleasure in killing either. Murder is a form of mercy really, in this context of course. Because he's not a cruel person that would torture them for days for killing his dog. He simply kills them and end their suffering quickly. That's where Redo of Healer does a EXTREMELY poor job. You barely sympathise with the MC. Because how he was treated is so cartoonishly evil. And they don't portray it in a well written way. And he also takes great pleasure in making his victims suffer. He isn't simply doing it for revenge, in order to remove these people from causing more suffering. No, he actually ENJOYS doing it. That's why there's a difference between Redo of Healer and many other revenge stories. Banana2021 said: i dont believe they have therapist in this medieval kind of setting Yeah lol. But I was more referring to the people in real life who genuinely believe that they would be justified in making a sex slave, raping, torturing and murdering their offender. |
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