Is Alicization arc really so good?

Heartyace said:
Give you examples? The entire fluctlight system is a plot device. Kirito being pulled into the system is for the hero plot non sense. In general, you gotta put your suspension of belief out of the room before you start watching. Kiritos parents and all authorities are letting a lot of non sense slip by. But rest is in the post below

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1817783&show=100#msg58881143

Heartyace said:
Give you examples? The entire fluctlight system is a plot device. Kirito being pulled into the system is for the hero plot non sense. In general, you gotta put your suspension of belief out of the room before you start watching. Kiritos parents and all authorities are letting a lot of non sense slip by. But rest is in the post below

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1817783&show=100#msg58881143

Edocchi said:
Nah, it's the worst one

MSAtlos said:
Also no sword art online hater is watching. Because it it sword art online.

chriskor022 said:
nope they are watching. To spice things up.

MSAtlos said:
Well maybe a few are

Edocchi said:
Nah, it's the worst one

yaruka said:

worse than the fairy dance arc and SAO 2?

chriskor022 said:
first in foremost its FANTASY, so other isekai are nonsense?
2. He just stab by a LC member and need some medical assistance. And medicuboid is the answer we seen it at mothers rosario so its not a non sense plot
3.what slip by Kirito is orphan and hes auntie is his guardian. Kirito is aquintance of Kikuoka the head of the project so its not a nonsense.

Heartyace said:


It's been a while since I watched SAO and I only half paid attention of the second season. So My memory of everything is vague since I really don't think I enjoy it anymore.

I'll go down the list one by one.
1. Yes, A vast majority of Isekai's are nonsense valueless entertainment. You'll often forget about them because the moral and theme of these narratives do not really exist to teach. A good example of a good isekai. You can look at my list for that 10/10 isekai, because this isn't the topic for mentioning other anime.
2. I really hated that scene, I want that to be let out there, it looked really dumb with him trying to attack him with an umbrella. Second, that doesn't have anything to do with anything. This entire world seems to be driven by VR, that is silly in of itself. But to the point I was making of hero complex. Is this the first time Kirito got stabbed? Nope, But it's the first time he got MC'd into a game because of it. There's so many more believable scenarios for this. What's not believable is a 16/17 year old kid being put into a game while he's recovering from life threatening injuries. ALSO Any system able to do that, could also repair a mental state into optimal recovery position. The ideas are limitless. But you know, VR games.
3. Are you kidding me? The parent trope is a trope for a reason, it makes you more accepting of the idea. Kirito has a Guardian that has been shown to care for him, and yet he can go missing for multiple days/hours and no one would care? Nor would the authorities or child protection(Who has shown up in this SAO) does nothing about it? Sigh, suspension of belief. But this wasn't my problem with the anime anyways, it's a trope I'm past it.

4. My home boy Eugeo who is an interesting character that also broke the taboo. As soon as he broke the taboo, he's proven that Alice in particular is useless. It's possible to recreate the scenario. Shafted in any case.

I do not enjoy the idea of Kirito or the kirito character. Does kirito seem any bit charismatic? He followers in Aincred which was believable because he was extremely experienced. That's where it stops and ends. After that he just becomes the shounen troupe, he begins to have all the knowledge needed to move the plot. It's not a fun or entertaining show to watch. Also the Antagonist have no real motivations, they're evil to be evil. Being mentally unstable isn't a viable excuse, mentally unstable individuals are layered. They are often not single minded on one objective.

chriskor022 said:

1.not convincing reason because its fantasy for a reason and give me example how its not?
2.the tip of umbrella is surprisingly sharp and his is not a plastic so it pierces. And yes he is the hero that beat the game so he is being targeted by LC. And all the RATH to do is gathering data through him but it compromise because of third party. And Kikouka has a ulterior motive. They explain it at first couple episode of alicization so just rewatch it.
3. Yea but its like all anime has it. That trope is not in SAO.
4.all 24 episodes of Alicization is Story of Eugeo and this next season hes gonna have a cameo. So he is not shafted.

Heartyace said:


1.Weird, I never said I had a problem with it being fantasy. As My top rated Isekai is Fantasy and has a theme with actions that the characters take towards it. This is shounen action, Pure spectacle.
2. Another one of those silly debates to be had. Heavens knows I'm not watching info dump wars first episodes.
3. You said it's a troupe, but because majority of animes have it. It's not a problem? Majority of animes are rated lower than 7. Are you saying SAO belongs there?
4. No, it's not. Kirito progresses the plot of the first season. There were more episodes that didn't even cameo Eugeo(Which doesn't make it any better). Again I did like the first couple of episodes where Eugeo and Kirito were going on their adventure.

I know one thing for certain, in general I didn't enjoy SAO too much after the first season. But there was one sub plot that got me interested. That was the(I believe it was) Fanatio and Monk dude, I found their interactions interesting. OH that's why, all of SAOs characters are flat, and it's nice to see some with dimensions.

chriskor022 said:
1.yep weird because thats your reply implying to me.
2.then why are you watching this season? And the first part is info dumps because its introduction. The LN have more infodump so anime cut it to be not boring.
3.that much in preference. Handful of anime below 7 is worth watching so its not bad. The case of SAO is downvoting, so its not a good example.
4.but its alicization you have a problem not first. This is the arc of Eugeo this 24episodes of Alicization. Its not shafted, and Eugeo has development throughout the story.
Its not enjoyable for you because you dont like it. Its simple.

Heartyace said:


1. You're confusing yourself at this point, I've never mentioned the fantasy genre at all. So laymen terms, There is nothing to teach you from watching this series, no moral of the story or message to take away from it. Here, tell me something about SAO that is the underlying message of the series.
2. wait, what? Aren't we talking about this about the feedback from this season? Wouldn't this make the entire argument moot if I hadn't watched it? Does having more infodumps make the original adaptation good? That has nothing to do with the argument, exposition is frowned upon for a reason. It's lazy storytelling. I assume you mean, because I don't want to rewatch it, I see no value in it is why.
3. Oh come on, that's a weak conspiracy theory. The equally popular FMAB must have had mass upvoting.
4. First season of alicization is what I meant, as it came in a two part series. If it was an entire season of Eugeos arc, Eugeo would've had more screen time than Kirito, this isn't true. It's the underworld arc, it explored the world of the underworld.

Must have not read that I did enjoy some parts. Understanding critique matters to improve and learn from media. You're being dismissive because you refuse to see flaws in your favourite piece of media. Trust me they're there.