A Little Disappointed?

marian11 said:
I've heard that Deen didn't follow the visual novel's story and they added a lot of stuff in. I guess they will remake the Fate route, maybe UBW and finally will make a Heaven's Feel anime. Just be happy we are getting something. xD

Stanfoo said:
I'm assuming you came to this conclusion with the same information everyone else had seen? Funny how so many people were convinced otherwise and throwing a fit in the other thread.

lolzteez said:
Time to clear up this misunderstanding.

ufotable's not doing an original story. The japanese blogs are only talking about how there will be new content in the remake (similar to the Rin episode I'm guessing), not an entire new plotline. Heck, some of the blogs even stated that the article said nothing about the particular scenario/route/original content they plan on doing, and just said the fans should look forward to it.

Fai said:
We know, I already stated that multiple times when I read through the original blog entry

All it says that it has more content by nasu "not shown in original" that can man a LOT of things


people are just assuming crash positions

lolzteez said:


Yeah and it does not mean that the new content will be horrible, for all we know the new content might actually be what is needed to make the series even better than the original, since Nasu is personally involved with the project and the interview seems to indicated that he only wants to put in some ideas he had originally but ended up getting scrapped (ex. Lancer scouting all the Servants).

I'm never one to be completely optimistic about adaptations, but just outright claiming this is a bad move is simply wrong.

Fai said:
And as I said before if new content means Nasu providing behind the scenes stuff and connecting FSN routes more to Zero events by referencing shit(like Saber referencing Kerry in the shitty fsn manga) then its okay, even though they already have way too much material to fit into an adaptation so how the hell that will work I don't know.

However if its Kid-Gil Strolling through caster manor naked while eating popcorn, ala "New Route", then its a trainwreck. And if its latter, i don't want ufotable anywhere near tsukihime nor mahotsukai no yoru

lolzteez said:


Yeah, that's mostly what I'm referring to. We don't know how many episodes this will be getting anyway, so fingers crossed! ^^



That's not a good example. In any case, the blog I referred to was talking about how the director was really excited going over the hidden details of the plot, which can only mean padding out the story with more details, not completely change the core of the story.

I didn't read the news announcement discussion, and saw your rants over the "new content" leak in some of the other discussions, so I kinda jumped to conclusions there and thought you didn't know. Sorry about that.

Fai said:
Yeah, my very first post yesterday in the big thread was a vague translation of that blog.

In terms of press, its the same as the "ITS TOTALLY HEAVENS FEEL GUYSE" bullshit that has been going on last year just because someone on twitter said that "they thought" that it "MIGHT" be.

All we know is that it will have new content and the twitter comments about article expanded it literally seconds latter after that post that it means Nasu is simply providing some new info in the writing. WE still don't know WHAT they are writing except that they are about halfway and finished couple of episodes in animation already.

The problem is that the line itself about "the anime having content not seen in original" can be interpreted at least three ENTIRELY different ways. And the news about "character design upgrades" sound disconcerting. People like me are just focusing on the worst case scenario, as we already have quite a few examples of TYpe Moon source material being butchered.

me personally? If it was confirmed to be 100% surely an anime-original note, I would not be raging over possibilities. I would be making fun of the bullshit and sitting back with the popcorn at the trainwreck that will happen. Currently I am simply irritated at even the possibility of yet another failed adaptation.

lolzteez said:


Good thing we actually have Eggplant Mushroom overlooking the adaptation this time, huh.

I'm honestly looking forward to seeing the new character designs, because Shirou and Rin's really are quite plain. So until I see them, I shall believe! It doesn't really forebode anything otherwise, since going by the interview it seems like it's only for aesthetics, and unrelated to the plot.

I really don't know how they can expect to meet all the fan's expectations without doing all three routes, so until official news regarding their fuck up comes out it is very possible that this has been in production for quite some time already, so the "halfway done" part isn't too concerning for me at least.

Have faith in the Mushroom.

Fai said:
Oversight is not as reassuring as we don't know how much time Nasu will spend overseeing and how much time he will spend playing dark souls 2...

Frankly Shirou's design HAS to stay plain. He is void of self. He lives as a sword for the sake of others. Thus he dresses practical instead of fancy. And Rin dresses after her father.

Midou89 said:
The only way to properly adapt the fate stay VN is to seperatly animate each route which really doesn't work as an anime and requires a ton of episodes and most anime don't get more then 24 episodes which I am guessing adaptation will be and if they decided to follow 1 route some characters are completely undeveloped in each route so it requires modifications.

HaXXspetten said:
We'll see what happens. I'm not exactly convinced it will work out this way but I'm not gonna judge anything before I see what happens.

And honestly if they're making some 4th route thingy (wtb Ilya route) I'm perfectly fine with that, because then we're actually getting something new. I mean if I wanted to re-experience Fate/UBW/HF so desperately, I might as well just go re-read the VN, you know? Sure, the lack of a *proper* adaptation might sting a bit, but if they can deliver something good that is ALSO new, then in some ways that is honestly even better.

At least from the perspective of people who have read the VN I'd say that should be the case, for anime-only viewers it'd obviously sting a lot more to never see the *real* editions of the original three routes if so, but on the other hand if they're doing an original story now that might also just encourage said viewers to go read the VN as well in order to fill out the holes.



Well we'll see what happens, initially when I heard the announcement I was a little bit worried and/or disappointed, but after thinking it through I think it has potential this way as well. It all depends on exactly what they'll end up creating and how. Only time will tell.

Kid-Wolf said:
Well there are two ways to look at this now. First is that they are remaking it and not doing either the Fate or UBW story route since they have already been done by Studio DEEN. So why bother redoing all of that when HF was never animated yet.

Fai said:


But it would still be a non-canon bs or an afterthought. Why name it FSN at all then?

Fai said:



This is incorrect. DEEN's adaptation is not fate, nor UBW its an anime original mess. UBW was not adapted at all

Kid-Wolf said:


Actually they did a poor job doing the Fate Route by combining everything into it, and the UBW movie was more along the line of actually watching some of the scenes they should of placed in the UBW movie instead of the TV series back then. Pretty much what I was trying to get at there was I'm hoping that ufotable will do a better job at this, then what Studiio DEEN did.

Also if the HF storyline does get adapted like some of us... wait I mean most of us are hoping for then there's a high chance that F/HA could get something out of it. I mean if that happens the entire Fate storyline will have at least a full anime adaptation, but I'm still waiting on my Tsukihime anime along with the VN remake as well too. :3

HaXXspetten said:
^ you don't even know if Ataraxia will ever get adapted in the first place

Fai said:


But it would still be a non-canon bs or an afterthought. Why name it FSN at all then?

ssjokg said:

SHUT UUUUUP.

I am tired or reading all of your bitching.
It wont be FSN?Why?DIdnt FSN had infinite universes?ISnt Nasuverse a multiverse.

Fate/Stay Night is the story of Shirou Saber RIn Archer etc in the 4th Grail War. Even if it is a bad end where Kirei and Shirou become best friends and troll everyone it still would be FAte/Stay Night.

HaXXspetten said:
^ You shouldn't even try to expect a legit VN => Anime adaptation of anything ever unless it's a linear story maybe

Fai said:


Then I guess DEEN's FSN IS ALSO canon, AMIRITE?

NO its not.

What is canon is the three routes and every bad end - this adaptation if its an anime original - it would be canon on its own, but in same way Fate/Extra or Apocrypha are - a long distance cousins.

Fai said:


Then they should not even be adapting in the first place.

The whole point of FSN narrative IS that its three stories, three versions of same event (Think: Run, Lola, Run).

Either adapt a route, all routes or don't adapt at all.

So far I am leaning to this being fate adaptation with some references to F/0 events tho.

Fai said:


Then they should not even be adapting in the first place.

The whole point of FSN narrative IS that its three stories, three versions of same event (Think: Run, Lola, Run).

Either adapt a route, all routes or don't adapt at all.

So far I am leaning to this being fate adaptation with some references to F/0 events tho.

HaXXspetten said:

Well yeah, hence why it wasn't gonna happen like that no matter what. It's kind of hard to adapt UBW on its own without Fate first, not to mention HF which would be really weird as a standalone, and since Fate is by far the least interesting one of the three (and thus not really worth it to only adapt that) they'd have to adapt literally all three routes back to back if so... which would require a ridiculous amount of episodes to produce and from a monetary standpoint quite surely not as worthwile for the developers compared to what they're doing now, because you know that this will sell no matter what it ends up being. With all that taken into account, doing a 4th route or some mixture or whatever will surely have a lot more content/episode count so to speak, and even if it won't really be much of an actual 'adaptation' per se, if it's done properly it can still turn out really well. Of course all of this is just speculation, but at least in my mind there was never any chance of there ever being a *real* adaptation of the visual novel so I'd rather take something new and (hopefully) exciting over another half-assed adaptation gimmick.

HaXXspetten said:
well in that sense there are many top VNs in the same situation that seemingly won't get any adaptations at all, so it's not exactly that only goes for F/SN

Vladz0r said:
I just want

Fai said:


Which one.

HaXXspetten said:
if you mean the one that will be kinda hard to get in there..

Solkiskey said:
I think it's actually a good thing that it's original content-- and written by Nasu. It was just impossible to have all three routes adapted, and seeing something new that will tie in more with Fate/Zero is definitely a great thing.

Fai said:


Its not original content.

Solkiskey said:


As far as I know, it's an new story outside of the original work. Unless there's been updates not listed in the first post of the announcement thread.