| ITT: We discuss weapons and armor that were used throughout pre modern history (cause modern weapons are so uncivilized). To make it more manageable, lets say anything before 1800 is allowed. Discuss your favorites, why you like them, critique them or even bring up the same katana vs longsword argument. To start with, a favorite of mine is the hand and half sword of medieval Europe. Its elegant yet completely functional, light yet deadly. The blade can take punishment and deliver them too. Besides the blade, the pommel and hand guard are also usable as weapons and you can use half-swording or as an impromptu mace with the crossguard if you ever have the misfortune to face a man in full harness.  Another favorite of mine is the cavalry lance. From Alexander to Sobieski the lance has been the signature weapon of the cavalry. When couched under the arm, a heavily armored horsemen can deliver a strike so powerful it can "knock down the walls of Babylon"  As for armor, my favorite would definitely be the armor of the winged hussar of the 16th and 17th century. Strong, elegant, light and very stylish. Made from high quality steel, a good piece can even stop a pistol or musket shot. It is strong enough to give the hussars shock yet light enough to deliver the swiftness they are known for.  Another favorite weapon would have to be the musket. Matchlock, dog locks, miquelet locks, flint locks it doesnt matter. There are few things as shocking as the power of a musket volley delivering hot lead down range. a revolutionary weapon that after centuries long rivalry with swords and armor eventually came out of top as the main weapon in any army in the 1700s. Mod Edit: Please use spoiler tags for large images. |
LunaApr 27, 2013 4:24 AM
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| Oooh, this is a fun thread! My favorite is either the halberd or the great sword. The halberd because of its ubiquitous presence when paired with older firearms, and the great sword (claymore in this definition) because it's... great (and it's not even the largest two-handed sword of its class). Cavalry sabers were always classy too. It would be interesting to see full plate armor (gothic plate being the awesomest, even though it's pre-1800) being used realistically in any form of media. That stuff was practically impenetrable during its time, and yet media portrays it as relatively useless hunks of metal that anything could pierce. |
| Bow and arrow. The lack of it in modern media sadden me. |
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MellowJello said: Oooh, this is a fun thread! My favorite is either the halberd or the great sword. The halberd because of its ubiquitous presence when paired with older firearms, and the great sword (claymore in this definition) because it's... great (and it's not even the largest two-handed sword of its class). Cavalry sabers were always classy too. It would be interesting to see full plate armor (gothic plate being the awesomest, even though it's pre-1800) being used realistically in any form of media. That stuff was practically impenetrable during its time, and yet media portrays it as relatively useless hunks of metal that anything could pierce. Yeah full harness is practically impenetrable by swords or spears and is actually light and articulate enough to fight in. Its sad how in fiction this amazing invention is depicted as slow and clumsy when irl they were the terrors of the battlefield. To give an example, here is a guy doing cartwheel and pushups while in plate. |
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| Tri-section staff, for its versatility, and it looks awesome in combat. Uchigatana, because Kenshin (battoujutsu). As for armor, it's not like you put on the armor and go directly to battle. A real life soldier might have to walk for miles. |
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katsucats said: Tri-section staff, for its versatility, and it looks awesome in combat. Uchigatana, because Kenshin (battoujutsu). As for armor, it's not like you put on the armor and go directly to battle. A real life soldier might have to walk for miles. The battles of pre-modern war are often set pieces. If a soldier is wearing his full kit he probably knows a battle is coming up. Also, if you can afford a high quality harness you'd probably be mounted. |
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| Zweihanders and katanas Coolest weapons EVER. |
| Out of curiosity, do ring swords even work? |
| for my armor i would wear titanium vest! |
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Jacruz said: for my armor i would wear titanium vest! Has to with pre-1800 world how now? InfiniteRufus said: Out of curiosity, do ring swords even work? Ring swords? |
dankickyouApr 27, 2013 6:22 AM
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| katana's always had something about them which I always found so cool. |
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| I'm a big fan of short swords. Although I'd much rather have something longer in a pitched battle I feel they will perfectly fit my fighting style in 1v1. |
| I'm a big fan of completely stereotypical Roman armour. As for weapons, pole-arms get my pole-arm moving if you know what I mean, particularly halberds and naginata. I'm not big on military history so I mainly just think they look cool. |
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| Idk much about weapons apart from games and films that i've seen, but my favourites would have to be either katana or scimitar. I think it's because I prefer more mobile weapons, although I'm not sure how mobile these actually are IRL, i'd assume the scimitar would be more mobile. I've no idea about armour... Probably prefer something mobile but durable at same time. dankickyou said: InfiniteRufus said: Out of curiosity, do ring swords even work? Ring swords? I think he means these: And yes I think they do work. |
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| Probably the Dragon Bone Smasher. |
Nerdy_Old_Taco said: Probably the Dragon Bone Smasher. IRL weapons. And the Dragon Bone Smasher looks a hella silly. |
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| The bible because I can use it to attack ignorant atheists and piss off gays /s Personally I like rapiers with offhand dagger. |
| Twin katanas. Can't go wrong with twice the firepower. |
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Akito_Kinomoto said: Twin katanas. Can't go wrong with twice the firepower. Eww. I hate dual wielding. Gives me SAO vibes. Another great looking weapon is the Polish Saber or szabla. These things were real lethal on horseback. |
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| Hmmm I guess I'll go with the Ottoman Kilij. The angle of the blade is very good for slicing and dicing. |
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| I've never been in the midst of a medieval conflict so my experience with the tools of the trade is non-existent. In RPG's I've always been drawn to the the simple bow and arrow, it probably has a lot to do with the fact hand to hand combat on old games (and some new) wasn't done very well, ranged attacks usually have much simpler physics so there was very little trouble with it. Still if anyone has ever payed games like Thief: The dark project you shouldn't need convincing of how satisfying a well placed shot is after you've spent 5-10 minutes adjusting the ark, crossbows I dislike as they seem to take the art out of it. For the more hands on approach I suppose it's the more "stick 'em with the pointy end" weapons like a Dirk or Estoc I'm drawn to.  Apart from looking brutal they serve an important purpose, let's face it, dressing up in tin and iron was all the rage back then and your only option is to either dent the casing with something heavy or poke holes through the gaps with something thin and a mace is a little too cumbersome for my tastes. |
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grape-soda said: Thats terrible. You are more likely to stab yourself or your friends to death than the enemy. And all those spikes makes it easier for weapons to latch on so your enemy can get leverage on you. Plate armor was smooth for a reason. :v |
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dankickyou said: grape-soda said: Thats terrible. You are more likely to stab yourself or your friends to death than the enemy. And all those spikes makes it easier for weapons to latch on so your enemy can get leverage on you. Plate armor was smooth for a reason. :v Human battering ram. 'Nuff said. And yes, my twin swords idea is derived from SAO. |
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SRTHGV said: EOC can suck dick.The bible because I can use it to attack ignorant atheists and piss off gays /s Personally I like rapiers with offhand dagger. |
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Akito_Kinomoto said: Twin katanas. Can't go wrong with twice the firepower. Actually if you want to twin yield katanas ain't for you. Katanas are best used when you hold them with two hands. Also katanas would be useless against a European army cause they where designed to slice not penetrate and wouldn't be able to hurt those with armors and shields. |
Monad said: Akito_Kinomoto said: Twin katanas. Can't go wrong with twice the firepower. Actually if you want to twin yield katanas ain't for you. Katanas are best used when you hold them with two hands. Also katanas would be useless against a European army cause they where designed to slice not penetrate and wouldn't be able to hurt those with armors and shields. Swords arent optimized to deal with metal armor. All swords. Japanese armies are actually more spear and bow/musket than sword heavy. |
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| The blunderbuss is the most awesome weapon ever. Inaccuracy only makes it more fun! |
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-konachan said: i don't like carrying heavy stuffs so no need for armor.. train flexibility, endurance and reaction skills for smooth and agile movement.. train ambidextrous if u want dual wielding.. Thats what they all say, until a knight is smashing their brains out with a mace. :3 Edit: and the blunder buss is indeed awesome |
dankickyouApr 27, 2013 9:39 AM
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| Well that depends... what are my dex and str stats? |
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| Sai. Long range: Mongol Bow. Could shoot 500+ meters. But then I would scream 'POWAAAH' Jeremy Clarkson style, being an artillery fan, tempted to mention the Orban's Giant Cannon: It was 27-feet long, diameter of 30 inches, weighted 40,000 lb, and could fire a mile away. It required 60 oxen to tow it, and accompanied by 400 men. |
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dankickyou said: Tony Stark. Medieval edition. My pick would be Halberd: Common weapons for the masses, easy to use but difficult to masters. It provides defense and offense, and one swing of it has more power than a sword. For ranged combat I will choose crossbows, in the old medieval days they forbid the usage because it makes the battle distasteful, less-chivalrous, as an untrained soldier can perform nearly as good as a trained longbowman. They also break through chain mail and light plate like knife to butter, eliminating the bow vulnerability in close range. |
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Three-decker ships of line with +100 canons are the coolest shit ever. But since those only get really cool in the early to mid 19th century here's a trebuchet.  And crossbows  |
azzuRe said: Tony Stark. Medieval edition. My pick would be Halberd: Common weapons for the masses, easy to use but difficult to masters. It provides defense and offense, and one swing of it has more power than a sword. For ranged combat I will choose crossbows, in the old medieval days they forbid the usage because it makes the battle distasteful, less-chivalrous, as an untrained soldier can perform nearly as good as a trained longbowman. They also break through chain mail and light plate like knife to butter, eliminating the bow vulnerability in close range. Halberd and poleaxes were more the realm of professional soldiers rather than commoners since they can be quite expensive. For commoners and peasants, the bill and the Voulge are the more used polearm. Less metal and craftsmanship but still an effective weapon. halberds and poleaxes were indeed great weapons and the preferred weapon for anti-armor work as an infantrymen. Here is a demonstration of its terrifying anti-armor properties. |
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| Still I would prefer titanium vest. if it's not available then i will still get one. why so serious with such stuff anyway...lol |
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JonyJC said: Three-decker ships of line with +100 canons are the coolest shit ever. But since those only get really cool in the early to mid 19th century here's a trebuchet. And crossbows Those pictures makes me want to play Age of Empires! |
That's my man! :D I'll only add in bows and light swords! |
Smeithan said: light swords! you mean this? :3  |
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dankickyou said: Smeithan said: light swords! you mean this? :3 Ahahahaa! No not really :P I mean swords that are not heavy, and thus better to handle, like the one you posted in OP :) |
| Ancient Greek armor and especially those helmets. They made you look like one badass scary mofo. |
Another weapon that is less known is the war wagon used by the Hussites, Cossacks, and several other Eastern European nations. They turned what is basically vehicles of transport and labor into a mobile fortress by linking the wagons together in a circle. While without this tactic, the Hussites would probably have been ridden down by the fearsome charge of knights, the use of war wagons allowed them to fight and defeat some of the best heavy cavalry of the time by completely nullifying the charge with wagons protected by hand gunners and pikemen. |
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| When it comes to dual wielding, you need twin kodashi (shorter blades) in vein of Aoshi Shinomori (from Kenshin, again). The length of the katana makes it impractical to actually wield single-handedly. Here's a tonfa, also used in Thai martial arts, good compromise for defensive and offensive capabilities.  I like short, hand-held weapons. |
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| muskets for weapons for armor chainmail |
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| The spear is definetly my favorite weapon of all times, second is the mace. |
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