TBATE is cliche !!!

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Why waste time to write a wall of text to state the obvious though?

Apr 13, 12:21 PM

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Yeah, I also wish that his previous life was somehow more relevant other than him just being a prodigy, by carrying some of his flaws, upsides and troubles to this new world.
Just like Mushoku Tensei did.

Apr 13, 12:23 PM

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if you read this all say i

Apr 13, 12:29 PM

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Raksaka said:
To be honest, TBATE isn’t terrible, but it’s definitely not great either. It’s been overrated compared to its actual quality. Here are the flaws that really bother me:

- In his past life, Arthur was supposedly a king, yet throughout the entire series, I don’t see any qualities of a true king in him. He constantly rushes into fights without thinking, never builds any real power or influence, has no strategic planning whatsoever... And to patch up this plot hole, the author suddenly adds a backstory saying he was just a puppet king in his previous life — talk about inconsistent storytelling.

- The series relies too heavily on generic isekai tropes with little to no originality:

+ Reincarnated as a child, masters basic magic in just a few years, and somehow defeats veteran adventurers — overpowered much?

+ Gets pushed off a cliff by some random bandits, despite previously beating experienced adventurers — what?

+ Falls off a cliff and magically gains new powers? Total plot convenience.

+ Has an elf girlfriend from the very beginning — the same cliché as every other isekai.

+ Enrolls in an academy, face-slapping his classmates -> some major incident happens -> villains defeat other students -> Arthur shows up to save everyone — really? That’s just cringe.

+ The whole “Arthur getting captured” drama feels like an emotional bait to make readers angry — it’s outdated and cheap.

… and the list goes on.

- The most ridiculous part was when Arthur revealed the truth about his past life to his parents. Seriously bro? You were a king and thought this was a smart decision? For what purpose? Then his parents go full soap opera, overreacting to the point where it’s like their years of raising him meant nothing — an absolutely meaningless and cringe scene, yet people still call it “peak”? Come on.

- The plot becomes painfully repetitive: Meet villain A -> get defeated -> find a master to train him -> come back and defeat villain A -> meet villain B -> get defeated -> master dies -> find a new master -> train again -> defeat villain B -> rinse and repeat…

- The power system is totally inconsistent. The author just keeps creating stronger villains out of nowhere, only to give Arthur new powers and render the old ones obsolete — feels like they’re just writing whatever comes to mind with no long-term planning.

=> With flaws like these, and people still calling this "peak fiction"? Nah, worse fiction is fact, lmao.

And the things you mentioned are only till where the manhwa is at right now. The light novel is just better, the first 5 volumes are average with some moments here and there,but from volume 7 onwards it picks up. Not going to defend it cause most of it's true as in generic sense.

Apr 13, 1:23 PM

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ok, thnx for the spoiler and detailed explanation btw (⁠ ⁠╹⁠▽⁠╹⁠ ⁠)
i plan to read it to see how the manhua/wa is but i guess I'm going to read it now if the story is like this, it sounds plain and boring (imo) for someone like me who doesn't really enjoy story and plots like this.
thnx for saving my time.

Apr 13, 1:48 PM

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@Raksaka

I agree with what you said, if you are looking for some fantasy series, I would recommend the three that I liked the most in recent years, which are: Delicious in dungeon, Ranking of kings, and Mushoku tensei. Obviously it is not said that you like them, everyone has their own tastes, but for various reasons I found these three series very interesting.

Apr 13, 1:50 PM

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@Raksaka

I agree with what you said, if you are looking for some fantasy series, I would recommend the three that I liked the most in recent years, which are: Delicious in dungeon, Ranking of kings, and Mushoku tensei. Obviously it is not said that you like them, everyone has their own tastes, but for various reasons I found these three series very interesting.

@Geracchio

Tbate is just budget Mushoku Tensei anyway.

Apr 13, 2:16 PM

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@Geracchio

Tbate is just budget Mushoku Tensei anyway.

@JoeChip I would define it more as a "mainstream/shonen" version of Mushoku tensei, Mushoku tensei in fact deals with themes that are definitely outside the comfort zone of the usual viewer, and I find that this is one of the aspects that makes it an interesting series (personally, after watching anime for... I don't know, about 27 years, I'm tired of seeing the usual pure protagonists/characters without any real flaws)

Apr 13, 4:07 PM

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@Zarutaku Enjoying the show?

“𝖨𝖿 𝗅𝗂𝖿𝖾 𝗐𝖾𝗋𝖾 𝗉𝗋𝖾𝖽𝗂𝖼𝗍𝖺𝖻𝗅𝖾, 𝗂𝗍 𝗐𝗈𝗎𝗅𝖽 𝖼𝖾𝖺𝗌𝖾 𝗍𝗈 𝖻𝖾 𝗅𝗂𝖿𝖾 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝖻𝖾 𝗐𝗂𝗍𝗁𝗈𝗎𝗍 𝖿𝗅𝖺𝗏𝗈𝗋.” – 𝖤𝗅𝖾𝖺𝗇𝗈𝗋 𝖱𝗈𝗈𝗌𝖾𝗏𝖾𝗅𝗍

Apr 13, 5:22 PM

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Poor mans Mushoku Tensie🥱

Apr 13, 7:42 PM

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JoeChip said:
Why waste time to write a wall of text to state the obvious though?

because he have nothing else to do
just like u

Apr 13, 8:20 PM

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Bro have just speed read 50 chaps of the manhwa before mading this post.
Instead of pointing actual flaws of the authors writing or history you mostly made shallow or straight up wrong comments.

Apr 13, 8:39 PM

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Bro have just speed read 50 chaps of the manhwa before mading this post.
Instead of pointing actual flaws of the authors writing or history you mostly made shallow or straight up wrong comments.

@Otakudaviotaku So argue back, crying doesn't make the story better, glazer lmao

Apr 13, 8:41 PM

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Poor mans Mushoku Tensie🥱

@WaterMage sorry tbate glazer, i didn't read MT lol

Apr 13, 9:22 PM

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@JoeChip I would define it more as a "mainstream/shonen" version of Mushoku tensei, Mushoku tensei in fact deals with themes that are definitely outside the comfort zone of the usual viewer, and I find that this is one of the aspects that makes it an interesting series (personally, after watching anime for... I don't know, about 27 years, I'm tired of seeing the usual pure protagonists/characters without any real flaws)

@Geracchio No protagonist is without flaws... also what themes would Mushoku tensei deal with? Mushoku doesn't care about themes, it's just a story about the desires of a failed otaku, it never developed any themes properly except the classic ones that everyone has

Apr 13, 9:53 PM

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I started reading the manga a few days ago, about 100 chapters in, it's a very simple but enjoyable enough story, kind of reminds me of Solo Leveling in that respect, easy to binge. I think the author overdoes the "aura farming" and crappy antagonistic characters that give him a chance to shine and "one up" these people, it's gotten out of control these last 30 or so chapters. It's lost a lot of it's initial impact with the repetitive formula of "twelve year old getting upset at some douchebag and putting somebody in their place". But this sort of thing is so integrated into the actual setting, the nobles, the different races, augmenters vs conjurers, it would be hard not to see it often.

Apr 13, 10:20 PM

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@Geracchio No protagonist is without flaws... also what themes would Mushoku tensei deal with? Mushoku doesn't care about themes, it's just a story about the desires of a failed otaku, it never developed any themes properly except the classic ones that everyone has

@Leon888 There are very few protagonists/characters with REAL flaws, usually the "flaws" they have are stuff that are constructed so that they don't even seem like flaws (examples: A protagonist who is a bit stupid, naive, too good, who gets angry).
What are the themes of Mushoku tensei? Well, if you exclude the moral lessons, I can think of: Overcoming trauma, reincarnation, depression, polygamy, character development/growth.
The moral lessons come to mind: Changing is difficult and there are no shortcuts, you have to make an effort to understand people even when they have very different reasoning than yours, it doesn't matter how strong you are alone, with the help of others you can achieve more, if you want to achieve something you have to work hard.
There are other series that have some of these moral themes/lessons, but none (that I've seen) with the same impact, this is because in Mushoku Tensei they are shown in a much more realistic way, both because Rudeus and many characters in the series are written in a very "human" way.
I highly recommend you read it, it's a great series.

Apr 13, 10:20 PM

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Sometimes I think, TBATE is just a fanfic of Mushoku Tensei. I'm not sure but the settings, plots are identical.

Apr 13, 10:52 PM

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so..... you want something original? even dragon ball was inspired by journey to the west and it's one of the OGs. nothing is original so to keep looking for something like that is a waste of time. look for the stories that execute the "cliches" and "tropes" effectively in a way that makes you go.... wow. people the scream that it's already been done before either just want to complain or haven't really watched much anime or read much manga

Apr 13, 11:06 PM

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Yeah, we all know it is just a budget ripoof of Mushoku Tensei that received an adaptation it deserves.

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so..... you want something original? even dragon ball was inspired by journey to the west and it's one of the OGs. nothing is original so to keep looking for something like that is a waste of time. look for the stories that execute the "cliches" and "tropes" effectively in a way that makes you go.... wow. people the scream that it's already been done before either just want to complain or haven't really watched much anime or read much manga

@lucknoskillz Like many fans of this series, you confuse "inspiration" and "plagiarism"

Apr 13, 11:57 PM

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@WaterMage sorry tbate glazer, i didn't read MT lol

@Raksaka glazer huh? Can't you understand english.

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Something tells me you hate all isekais.

Apr 14, 12:20 AM

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@Raksaka glazer huh? Can't you understand english.

@WaterMage i cannot understand ur stupid joke

Apr 14, 12:22 AM

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Something tells me you hate all isekais.

@Moppit Nah, i just don't like cringe plots.

Apr 14, 12:39 AM

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@WaterMage i cannot understand ur stupid joke

@Raksaka Idiot READ ik that might be hard. But I didn't praise it I called ripoff version. Now if you think MT also generic. Isekai is not for you.

Apr 14, 12:52 AM

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@Zarutaku Enjoying the show?

@aurora_yuuki Haven't even added it on my list, doesn't seem worth trying.

*kappa*

Apr 14, 12:54 AM

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@Raksaka Idiot READ ik that might be hard. But I didn't praise it I called ripoff version. Now if you think MT also generic. Isekai is not for you.

@WaterMage You mean, all isekai are cringe like this ? Are your standards that low ?

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@aurora_yuuki Haven't even added it on my list, doesn't seem worth trying.

@Zarutaku What about all the hype? To everyone's utmost dismay, its production turned out to be TPN S2 2.0.

“𝖨𝖿 𝗅𝗂𝖿𝖾 𝗐𝖾𝗋𝖾 𝗉𝗋𝖾𝖽𝗂𝖼𝗍𝖺𝖻𝗅𝖾, 𝗂𝗍 𝗐𝗈𝗎𝗅𝖽 𝖼𝖾𝖺𝗌𝖾 𝗍𝗈 𝖻𝖾 𝗅𝗂𝖿𝖾 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝖻𝖾 𝗐𝗂𝗍𝗁𝗈𝗎𝗍 𝖿𝗅𝖺𝗏𝗈𝗋.” – 𝖤𝗅𝖾𝖺𝗇𝗈𝗋 𝖱𝗈𝗈𝗌𝖾𝗏𝖾𝗅𝗍

Apr 14, 10:41 AM

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@JoeChip I would define it more as a "mainstream/shonen" version of Mushoku tensei, Mushoku tensei in fact deals with themes that are definitely outside the comfort zone of the usual viewer, and I find that this is one of the aspects that makes it an interesting series (personally, after watching anime for... I don't know, about 27 years, I'm tired of seeing the usual pure protagonists/characters without any real flaws)

@Geracchio

Judging by your list and your recommendations I find it hard to believe you're watching anime for 27 years but whatever you say.

Apr 14, 10:43 AM

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JoeChip said:
Why waste time to write a wall of text to state the obvious though?

because he have nothing else to do
just like u

@0__Dante__0

Thanks again for posting to prove I am living in your head rent-free. I expect more of your love comments in my profile with your fake accounts. See ya around.

Apr 14, 10:52 AM

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Raksaka said:
@Moppit Nah, i just don't like cringe plots.

Either way TBATE must be a pretty important part of your life for you to go out of your way and dedicate all that time to reading it and talking about how much you dislike it

Apr 14, 10:59 AM

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@0__Dante__0

Thanks again for posting to prove I am living in your head rent-free. I expect more of your love comments in my profile with your fake accounts. See ya around.

fake account?
did u even take a look on it?

maybe u should keep me in ur head so that u can get some sense

Apr 14, 11:01 AM

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@0__Dante__0

Thanks again for posting to prove I am living in your head rent-free. I expect more of your love comments in my profile with your fake accounts. See ya around.

fake account?
did u even take a look on it?

maybe u should keep me in ur head so that u can get some sense

@0__Dante__0

Aww, you are so kawaii when you act so ignorant and stupid.

Apr 14, 11:29 AM

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@Geracchio

Judging by your list and your recommendations I find it hard to believe you're watching anime for 27 years but whatever you say.

@JoeChip I tried to rate the anime I followed a few days ago, after 5 minutes I got bored and stopped, in the end I use this site exclusively to see if there is some new anime that seems interesting, before these days I had never even written a post (maybe a couple? I don't know, honestly) but I have been watching anime since I was 6/7 years old (even if obviously at the time I didn't follow the series regularly, I watched what was on TV), so about 27 years have passed

Apr 14, 11:36 AM

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@0__Dante__0

Aww, you are so kawaii when you act so ignorant and stupid.

and however u act u r forever this nasty bi*ch

Apr 14, 11:40 AM

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Raksaka said:
@Moppit Nah, i just don't like cringe plots.

Either way TBATE must be a pretty important part of your life for you to go out of your way and dedicate all that time to reading it and talking about how much you dislike it

@kekotron Nah, "important" ? Are u delusional ? Because you guys called it peak fiction, i tried reading it, but i was so disappointed.

Apr 14, 12:18 PM

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@Raksaka

Did you actually read the sauce or your just repeating what others say about the story,like saying he was just reincarnated as a generic trope where as Arthur was main reincarnated by the main villain to help reincarnate the legacy from others old world whom he was connected to destroy the world he was reincarnated to but there was a miscalculation where Arthur was sent to his current parent to prevent that from happening by the granddaughter of the main villain

Apr 14, 12:34 PM

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@Raksaka

Did you actually read the sauce or your just repeating what others say about the story,like saying he was just reincarnated as a generic trope where as Arthur was main reincarnated by the main villain to help reincarnate the legacy from others old world whom he was connected to destroy the world he was reincarnated to but there was a miscalculation where Arthur was sent to his current parent to prevent that from happening by the granddaughter of the main villain

@Livingstone07

Do you even realize how convoluted all that sounds?

Apr 14, 12:35 PM

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Yeah, we all know it is just a budget ripoof of Mushoku Tensei that received an adaptation it deserves.

@Piromysl rage bait lol 🥱

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@kekotron Nah, "important" ? Are u delusional ? Because you guys called it peak fiction, i tried reading it, but i was so disappointed.

@Raksaka Definitely important, I like it and I don't go around writing fucking essays about it

Apr 14, 12:48 PM

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@Leon888 There are very few protagonists/characters with REAL flaws, usually the "flaws" they have are stuff that are constructed so that they don't even seem like flaws (examples: A protagonist who is a bit stupid, naive, too good, who gets angry).
What are the themes of Mushoku tensei? Well, if you exclude the moral lessons, I can think of: Overcoming trauma, reincarnation, depression, polygamy, character development/growth.
The moral lessons come to mind: Changing is difficult and there are no shortcuts, you have to make an effort to understand people even when they have very different reasoning than yours, it doesn't matter how strong you are alone, with the help of others you can achieve more, if you want to achieve something you have to work hard.
There are other series that have some of these moral themes/lessons, but none (that I've seen) with the same impact, this is because in Mushoku Tensei they are shown in a much more realistic way, both because Rudeus and many characters in the series are written in a very "human" way.
I highly recommend you read it, it's a great series.

@Geracchio naivety, stupidity, excessive anger: are these flaws... or does a protagonist have to be a pedophile to have flaws?
overcoming traumas? Easy when you have a perfect family, you are good looking, you are born with talent and memories of a past life and you have someone to guide you in overcoming what tormented you. Imagine if Rudeus was ugly, untalented and with a dysfunctional family how would he have overcome his traumas?
Reincarnation, depression and polygomy are not developed at all, Rudeus: Reincarnation is just a pretext to make the wishes of a failed pedophile otaku come true. Depression was very exaggerated and out of place and he always solves it because someone lends him a hand, not because he manages to overcome his adversities alone. While polygomy teaches how it is right to cheat on your wife when you promised to remain faithful to her and get away with it simply by having more wives... what kind of thing would this be?
The development and growth of the character I really don't understand how you can define it as such, since Rudeus the biggest flaw that he should develop is never fatally mentioned in the series, that is his excessive perversion, this one takes advantage, harasses and kidnaps girls without any real consequences and the series even gives him a harem with which to vent his desires... what a beautiful shit. Then really the fans of Mushoku are all the same they justify the bad characterization of the characters describing them as "human" when they are just garbage, at this point I expect that in any series that represents pedophile characters the fans of Mushoku Tensei say: "look it's very realistic, it's very human" which just thinking about it makes me vomit

Apr 14, 12:59 PM

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@Livingstone07

Do you even realize how convoluted all that sounds?

@JoeChip Nah,if youvare able to understand the workings of flash and reverse flash come to the past which ultimately changed the future they were in you would understand the novel also as his granddaughter having the time manipulation changed the course of history to prevent their world from being destroyed

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@Livingstone07

Do you even realize how convoluted all that sounds?

@JoeChip Nah,if you are able to understand the workings of flash and reverse flash coming to the past which ultimately changed the future they were in you would understand the novel also as his granddaughter having the time manipulation changed the course of history to prevent their world from being destroyed

Apr 14, 2:13 PM

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@Geracchio naivety, stupidity, excessive anger: are these flaws... or does a protagonist have to be a pedophile to have flaws?
overcoming traumas? Easy when you have a perfect family, you are good looking, you are born with talent and memories of a past life and you have someone to guide you in overcoming what tormented you. Imagine if Rudeus was ugly, untalented and with a dysfunctional family how would he have overcome his traumas?
Reincarnation, depression and polygomy are not developed at all, Rudeus: Reincarnation is just a pretext to make the wishes of a failed pedophile otaku come true. Depression was very exaggerated and out of place and he always solves it because someone lends him a hand, not because he manages to overcome his adversities alone. While polygomy teaches how it is right to cheat on your wife when you promised to remain faithful to her and get away with it simply by having more wives... what kind of thing would this be?
The development and growth of the character I really don't understand how you can define it as such, since Rudeus the biggest flaw that he should develop is never fatally mentioned in the series, that is his excessive perversion, this one takes advantage, harasses and kidnaps girls without any real consequences and the series even gives him a harem with which to vent his desires... what a beautiful shit. Then really the fans of Mushoku are all the same they justify the bad characterization of the characters describing them as "human" when they are just garbage, at this point I expect that in any series that represents pedophile characters the fans of Mushoku Tensei say: "look it's very realistic, it's very human" which just thinking about it makes me vomit

@Leon888 I can't tell you anything other than "Read the books", because you started with totally wrong concepts, there is absolutely nothing I can say to make you change your mind, I could waste half an hour explaining everything to you point by point, but it is likely that you simply would not listen, so if you have the will to try to verify, read the books, otherwise continue to evaluate a character without having read his story.

Apr 14, 2:33 PM

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A fanbase de TBATE por ficar enchendo o saco dos fãs de Mushoku Tensei e dizendo que a Turtle Me não sabia , bem feito merecem que o A-CAT detone a obra. Engulam o sucesso de Solo Leveling e de Ponto de vista do Leitor Onisciente

Apr 14, 7:50 PM

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All isekai are cringe like same academy arc, harem of minors and lots of cringe shit. TBATE was unfortunate enough with bad animation. Otherwise it's not bad or better than your average isekai

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