| I'm not saying it's bad by any means, it's just clearly different from S1. I think they are using way too much slow motion and still frames, which makes the fights less enjoyable. Don't get me wrong, using slow motions can make some moments more epic and impactful, if done correctly, and not overusing them just to prolong certain scenes. Also, sometimes the camera angles,rotations felt a little weird, but maybe it's just me. I definitely prefer S1 when it comes to the choreography,direction of fights. I found it more enjoyable and fluid, than S2 so far. Besides the fight scenes, I got no issues with the animation. What do you guys think about it? Do you prefer S1 when it comes to the fights, or S2? PS: I'm not a MAPPA hater, just expected a bit more from the action scenes, since it was the strongest part of season 1 for me. |
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| The presentation is bad collectively speaking. There's no visual style to the art and the undetailed models can't justify themselves any longer because S1's animation is objectively better. The slideshows aren't even pretty to look at because of the drab art direction and the overuse of close-ups that make fights hard to follow in their entirety. The worst part about the production isn't the mediocre art and animation, though; it's how terrible the storyboarding is at creating set pieces. With the arguable exception of EP13, every Shibuya episode has felt disjointed and lethargic when it should be the opposite. Not sure what happened to the quality after Hidden Inventory, but for the most part, this has been an inferior adaptation to the manga, which I never saw myself saying. The only stellar fights in these last 14 episodes have been both rounds of Gojo vs Toji, with Gojo's Blue being the best animated scene in the entire series. |
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ANTITHE5IS said: The presentation is bad collectively speaking. There's no visual style to the art and the undetailed models can't justify themselves any longer because S1's animation is objectively better. The slideshows aren't even pretty to look at because of the drab art direction and the overuse of close-ups that make fights hard to follow in their entirety. The worst part about the production isn't the mediocre art and animation, though; it's how terrible the storyboarding is at creating set pieces. With the arguable exception of EP13, every Shibuya episode has felt disjointed and lethargic when it should be the opposite. Not sure what happened to the quality after Hidden Inventory, but for the most part, this has been an inferior adaptation to the manga, which I never saw myself saying. The only stellar fights in these last 14 episodes have been both rounds of Gojo vs Toji, with Gojo's Blue being the best animated scene in the entire series. Agree. I thought the Shibuya arc , which is considered to be the most anticipated arc of JJK, will get the same treatment as the Toji vs Gojo encounters, or even better. Maybe my expectations were too high, but still. |
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ANTITHE5IS said:
The presentation is bad collectively speaking. There's no visual style to the art and the undetailed models can't justify themselves any longer because S1's animation is objectively better. The slideshows aren't even pretty to look at because of the drab art direction and the overuse of close-ups that make fights hard to follow in their entirety. The worst part about the production isn't the mediocre art and animation, though; it's how terrible the storyboarding is at creating set pieces. With the arguable exception of EP13, every Shibuya episode has felt disjointed and lethargic when it should be the opposite.
Not sure what happened to the quality after Hidden Inventory, but for the most part, this has been an inferior adaptation to the manga, which I never saw myself saying. The only stellar fights in these last 14 episodes have been both rounds of Gojo vs Toji, with Gojo's Blue being the best animated scene in the entire series.
The presentation is bad collectively speaking. There's no visual style to the art and the undetailed models can't justify themselves any longer because S1's animation is objectively better. The slideshows aren't even pretty to look at because of the drab art direction and the overuse of close-ups that make fights hard to follow in their entirety. The worst part about the production isn't the mediocre art and animation, though; it's how terrible the storyboarding is at creating set pieces. With the arguable exception of EP13, every Shibuya episode has felt disjointed and lethargic when it should be the opposite.
Not sure what happened to the quality after Hidden Inventory, but for the most part, this has been an inferior adaptation to the manga, which I never saw myself saying. The only stellar fights in these last 14 episodes have been both rounds of Gojo vs Toji, with Gojo's Blue being the best animated scene in the entire series.
Agree. I thought the Shibuya arc , which is considered to be the most anticipated arc of JJK, will get the same treatment as the Toji vs Gojo encounters, or even better. Maybe my expectations were too high, but still.
| @CLaNLoRrD Part of the problem is just the script as well. Gege doesn't care much about "show, don't tell", so it's all bogged down by the constant exposition dumps. Shibuya is too inspired by the Chimera Ant arc, hence the incorporation of a shitty narrator and the endless fodder battles. |
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CLaNLoRrD said: I'm not saying it's bad by any means, it's just clearly different from S1. I think they are using way too much slow motion and still frames, which makes the fights less enjoyable. Don't get me wrong, using slow motions can make some moments more epic and impactful, if done correctly, and not overusing them just to prolong certain scenes. Also, sometimes the camera angles,rotations felt a little weird, but maybe it's just me. I definitely prefer S1 when it comes to the choreography,direction of fights. I found it more enjoyable and fluid, than S2 so far. Besides the fight scenes, I got no issues with the animation. What do you guys think about it? Do you prefer S1 when it comes to the fights, or S2? PS: I'm not a MAPPA hater, just expected a bit more from the action scenes, since it was the strongest part of season 1 for me. Personally a much bigger fan of the first season’s animation style it felt more smoother and I liked how the fights were animated more. Especially with fights like hanami vs yuji and todo or yuta vs geto they felt so much more clean and not so rough around the edges. But I do like season 2’s art style a lot. They killed it with yuji vs choso and I’m expecting a lot considering there are still quite a few more fights to come. Mappa’s art style has grown on me a lot and I expect more from them with the upcoming episodes. If only they weren’t so overworked |
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The presentation is bad collectively speaking. There's no visual style to the art and the undetailed models can't justify themselves any longer because S1's animation is objectively better. The slideshows aren't even pretty to look at because of the drab art direction and the overuse of close-ups that make fights hard to follow in their entirety. The worst part about the production isn't the mediocre art and animation, though; it's how terrible the storyboarding is at creating set pieces. With the arguable exception of EP13, every Shibuya episode has felt disjointed and lethargic when it should be the opposite.
Not sure what happened to the quality after Hidden Inventory, but for the most part, this has been an inferior adaptation to the manga, which I never saw myself saying. The only stellar fights in these last 14 episodes have been both rounds of Gojo vs Toji, with Gojo's Blue being the best animated scene in the entire series.
Not sure what happened to the quality after Hidden Inventory, but for the most part, this has been an inferior adaptation to the manga, which I never saw myself saying. The only stellar fights in these last 14 episodes have been both rounds of Gojo vs Toji, with Gojo's Blue being the best animated scene in the entire series.
| @ANTITHE5IS The animation of this season has been consistently better than the animation of the previous season, the only exception has been the most recent episode. The animation of S1 has ugly looking vomiting inducing twirly CGI backgrounds and a colour palette that looks like plastic and makes the animation looks pretty bad not being helped by the ugly composition, I don't like this season either, but saying it has worse animation than S1 is disingenuous. |
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@ANTITHE5IS The animation of this season has been consistently better than the animation of the previous season, the only exception has been the most recent episode. The animation of S1 has ugly looking vomiting inducing twirly CGI backgrounds and a colour palette that looks like plastic and makes the animation looks pretty bad not being helped by the ugly composition, I don't like this season either, but saying it has worse animation than S1 is disingenuous.
| @Ionliosite2 >ugly looking vomiting inducing twirly CGI backgrounds >colour palette that looks like plastic None of this is animation. More consistent background art, yet nerfed art direction in almost all other aspects and without an improvement in animation (since Shibuya) to justify it. If S1 character models look like plastic for their glossy finish then S2 character models look like paper for their lack of colour grading and muted colour palette as if a filter was placed on them. The compositing in S2 is hardly any better at this point and colours popped more whilst having detailed art in S1. Animation was objectively better in S1 as well. Less frame drops and the reliance on slideshows and close-ups for cutting corners coupled with more detailed choreography. But the biggest reason is because the storyboards were actually good. Even if the animation was better this season, it wouldn't mean much with the janky storyboards. It didn't have low points like the latest episode or the Grasshopper one either. So far there isn't a fight in Shibuya as free-flowing and with the dynamic camera work of Gojo vs Sukuna, Yuji/Nanami vs Mahito, Yuji/Todo vs Hanami or Yuji/Nobara vs Eso/Kechizu for e.g.; even if Mechamaru vs Mahito and Yuji vs Choso had good art direction. All of this checks out with MAPPA's inhuman scheduling for this season. |
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ANTITHE5IS said: The presentation is bad collectively speaking. There's no visual style to the art and the undetailed models can't justify themselves any longer because S1's animation is objectively better. The slideshows aren't even pretty to look at because of the drab art direction and the overuse of close-ups that make fights hard to follow in their entirety. The worst part about the production isn't the mediocre art and animation, though; it's how terrible the storyboarding is at creating set pieces. With the arguable exception of EP13, every Shibuya episode has felt disjointed and lethargic when it should be the opposite. Not sure what happened to the quality after Hidden Inventory, but for the most part, this has been an inferior adaptation to the manga, which I never saw myself saying. The only stellar fights in these last 14 episodes have been both rounds of Gojo vs Toji, with Gojo's Blue being the best animated scene in the entire series. My guy you just seem to prefer simpler screen structuring, and you do not speak for the rest of the audience when you say 'objectively' The action direction of S1 was pristine, but in all other ways it's inferior to even the incomplete, broken Season 2 And no the storyboards are insanely good idek if we're watching the same show |
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@Ionliosite2 >ugly looking vomiting inducing twirly CGI backgrounds
>colour palette that looks like plastic
None of this is animation. More consistent background art, yet nerfed art direction in almost all other aspects and without an improvement in animation (since Shibuya) to justify it. If S1 character models look like plastic for their glossy finish then S2 character models look like paper for their lack of colour grading and muted colour palette as if a filter was placed on them. The compositing in S2 is hardly any better at this point and colours popped more whilst having detailed art in S1.
Animation was objectively better in S1 as well. Less frame drops and the reliance on slideshows and close-ups for cutting corners coupled with more detailed choreography. But the biggest reason is because the storyboards were actually good. Even if the animation was better this season, it wouldn't mean much with the janky storyboards. It didn't have low points like the latest episode or the Grasshopper one either. So far there isn't a fight in Shibuya as free-flowing and with the dynamic camera work of Gojo vs Sukuna, Yuji/Nanami vs Mahito, Yuji/Todo vs Hanami or Yuji/Nobara vs Eso/Kechizu for e.g.; even if Mechamaru vs Mahito and Yuji vs Choso had good art direction.
All of this checks out with MAPPA's inhuman scheduling for this season.
>colour palette that looks like plastic
None of this is animation. More consistent background art, yet nerfed art direction in almost all other aspects and without an improvement in animation (since Shibuya) to justify it. If S1 character models look like plastic for their glossy finish then S2 character models look like paper for their lack of colour grading and muted colour palette as if a filter was placed on them. The compositing in S2 is hardly any better at this point and colours popped more whilst having detailed art in S1.
Animation was objectively better in S1 as well. Less frame drops and the reliance on slideshows and close-ups for cutting corners coupled with more detailed choreography. But the biggest reason is because the storyboards were actually good. Even if the animation was better this season, it wouldn't mean much with the janky storyboards. It didn't have low points like the latest episode or the Grasshopper one either. So far there isn't a fight in Shibuya as free-flowing and with the dynamic camera work of Gojo vs Sukuna, Yuji/Nanami vs Mahito, Yuji/Todo vs Hanami or Yuji/Nobara vs Eso/Kechizu for e.g.; even if Mechamaru vs Mahito and Yuji vs Choso had good art direction.
All of this checks out with MAPPA's inhuman scheduling for this season.
| @ANTITHE5IS Except that the animation is also terrible in the first season aside the technical aspects hat obviously contributes to a series looking good, there are multiple laughing inducing scenes tht season including the ones people say that look incredible (Itadori and Todo vs Hanami for example), meanwhile this season has had less of those and some of them comes from the most recent episode. Except that the ugly filter was placed in the first season not in this one, sorry, if you think this season is the one with the ugly colours I can't take you seriously, the previous one looked horrible because the Art Director was an absolute nobody and it had a lifeless colour palette (similar to what was done in Chainsaw Man). Animation definitely wasn't objectively better in the first season, not even close, but I agree with MAPPA's inhuman scheduling, that's why their series never look as good as they could. |
ANTITHE5IS said: @Ionliosite2 >ugly looking vomiting inducing twirly CGI backgrounds >colour palette that looks like plastic None of this is animation. More consistent background art, yet nerfed art direction in almost all other aspects and without an improvement in animation (since Shibuya) to justify it. If S1 character models look like plastic for their glossy finish then S2 character models look like paper for their lack of colour grading and muted colour palette as if a filter was placed on them. The compositing in S2 is hardly any better at this point and colours popped more whilst having detailed art in S1. Animation was objectively better in S1 as well. Less frame drops and the reliance on slideshows and close-ups for cutting corners coupled with more detailed choreography. But the biggest reason is because the storyboards were actually good. Even if the animation was better this season, it wouldn't mean much with the janky storyboards. It didn't have low points like the latest episode or the Grasshopper one either. So far there isn't a fight in Shibuya as free-flowing and with the dynamic camera work of Gojo vs Sukuna, Yuji/Nanami vs Mahito, Yuji/Todo vs Hanami or Yuji/Nobara vs Eso/Kechizu for e.g.; even if Mechamaru vs Mahito and Yuji vs Choso had good art direction. All of this checks out with MAPPA's inhuman scheduling for this season. Oh wow, you actually know even less about animation than I expected maybe I shouldn't have wasted my time with you |
| Season 1 battles in general were better animated, but Itadori vs Choso was the best fight of all JJK for me (including both seasons). From what I've heard there is another upcoming fight in a couple of episodes that is going to be well animated. I can't wait for that. |
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ANTITHE5IS said:
@Ionliosite2 >ugly looking vomiting inducing twirly CGI backgrounds
>colour palette that looks like plastic
None of this is animation. More consistent background art, yet nerfed art direction in almost all other aspects and without an improvement in animation (since Shibuya) to justify it. If S1 character models look like plastic for their glossy finish then S2 character models look like paper for their lack of colour grading and muted colour palette as if a filter was placed on them. The compositing in S2 is hardly any better at this point and colours popped more whilst having detailed art in S1.
Animation was objectively better in S1 as well. Less frame drops and the reliance on slideshows and close-ups for cutting corners coupled with more detailed choreography. But the biggest reason is because the storyboards were actually good. Even if the animation was better this season, it wouldn't mean much with the janky storyboards. It didn't have low points like the latest episode or the Grasshopper one either. So far there isn't a fight in Shibuya as free-flowing and with the dynamic camera work of Gojo vs Sukuna, Yuji/Nanami vs Mahito, Yuji/Todo vs Hanami or Yuji/Nobara vs Eso/Kechizu for e.g.; even if Mechamaru vs Mahito and Yuji vs Choso had good art direction.
All of this checks out with MAPPA's inhuman scheduling for this season.
@Ionliosite2 >ugly looking vomiting inducing twirly CGI backgrounds
>colour palette that looks like plastic
None of this is animation. More consistent background art, yet nerfed art direction in almost all other aspects and without an improvement in animation (since Shibuya) to justify it. If S1 character models look like plastic for their glossy finish then S2 character models look like paper for their lack of colour grading and muted colour palette as if a filter was placed on them. The compositing in S2 is hardly any better at this point and colours popped more whilst having detailed art in S1.
Animation was objectively better in S1 as well. Less frame drops and the reliance on slideshows and close-ups for cutting corners coupled with more detailed choreography. But the biggest reason is because the storyboards were actually good. Even if the animation was better this season, it wouldn't mean much with the janky storyboards. It didn't have low points like the latest episode or the Grasshopper one either. So far there isn't a fight in Shibuya as free-flowing and with the dynamic camera work of Gojo vs Sukuna, Yuji/Nanami vs Mahito, Yuji/Todo vs Hanami or Yuji/Nobara vs Eso/Kechizu for e.g.; even if Mechamaru vs Mahito and Yuji vs Choso had good art direction.
All of this checks out with MAPPA's inhuman scheduling for this season.
Oh wow, you actually know even less about animation than I expected
maybe I shouldn't have wasted my time with you
| @CreepHazard Consider wasting your time with fewer people, no serious person wastes theirs on someone who uses MAPPA's Chainsaw Man as their animation benchmark anyway. |
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@ANTITHE5IS Except that the animation is also terrible in the first season aside the technical aspects hat obviously contributes to a series looking good, there are multiple laughing inducing scenes tht season including the ones people say that look incredible (Itadori and Todo vs Hanami for example), meanwhile this season has had less of those and some of them comes from the most recent episode.
Except that the ugly filter was placed in the first season not in this one, sorry, if you think this season is the one with the ugly colours I can't take you seriously, the previous one looked horrible because the Art Director was an absolute nobody and it had a lifeless colour palette (similar to what was done in Chainsaw Man). Animation definitely wasn't objectively better in the first season, not even close, but I agree with MAPPA's inhuman scheduling, that's why their series never look as good as they could.
Except that the ugly filter was placed in the first season not in this one, sorry, if you think this season is the one with the ugly colours I can't take you seriously, the previous one looked horrible because the Art Director was an absolute nobody and it had a lifeless colour palette (similar to what was done in Chainsaw Man). Animation definitely wasn't objectively better in the first season, not even close, but I agree with MAPPA's inhuman scheduling, that's why their series never look as good as they could.
| @Ionliosite2 "aside the technical aspects hat obviously contributes to a series looking good". Glad you admit that S1 has objectively better animation. And nice non-example. I implore you to enlighten me on what it is about the Hanami fight that's "laughing inducing" aside from that 3-second sequence of Yuji and Todo running in a CG background. And then give me an example of an extended animated sequence from Shibuya that's as dynamic, well-choreographed and well-panned as the scene of Yuji and Todo fighting in mid-air on Hanami's roots. And the Hanami fight was probably the weakest example on that list anyway lol. Excluding Hidden Inventory, S1 has the highest productional peaks whilst S2 has the deepest valleys. "if you think this season is the one with ugly colours" I don't. You're the only one who called JJK ugly lol. But the art direction for Shibuya is indeed soulless and reminiscent of Chainsaw Man with those washed-up colours (the only exceptions being the aforementioned Mechamaru and Choso fights). Perhaps you skipped Gojo's entire fight in the metro station for instance, and how underwhelming the delivery of his sealing was despite meaning to be a big deal. I can't be asked to give visual examples right now, but I will if I must. |
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@Ionliosite2 >ugly looking vomiting inducing twirly CGI backgrounds
>colour palette that looks like plastic
None of this is animation. More consistent background art, yet nerfed art direction in almost all other aspects and without an improvement in animation (since Shibuya) to justify it. If S1 character models look like plastic for their glossy finish then S2 character models look like paper for their lack of colour grading and muted colour palette as if a filter was placed on them. The compositing in S2 is hardly any better at this point and colours popped more whilst having detailed art in S1.
Animation was objectively better in S1 as well. Less frame drops and the reliance on slideshows and close-ups for cutting corners coupled with more detailed choreography. But the biggest reason is because the storyboards were actually good. Even if the animation was better this season, it wouldn't mean much with the janky storyboards. It didn't have low points like the latest episode or the Grasshopper one either. So far there isn't a fight in Shibuya as free-flowing and with the dynamic camera work of Gojo vs Sukuna, Yuji/Nanami vs Mahito, Yuji/Todo vs Hanami or Yuji/Nobara vs Eso/Kechizu for e.g.; even if Mechamaru vs Mahito and Yuji vs Choso had good art direction.
All of this checks out with MAPPA's inhuman scheduling for this season.
>colour palette that looks like plastic
None of this is animation. More consistent background art, yet nerfed art direction in almost all other aspects and without an improvement in animation (since Shibuya) to justify it. If S1 character models look like plastic for their glossy finish then S2 character models look like paper for their lack of colour grading and muted colour palette as if a filter was placed on them. The compositing in S2 is hardly any better at this point and colours popped more whilst having detailed art in S1.
Animation was objectively better in S1 as well. Less frame drops and the reliance on slideshows and close-ups for cutting corners coupled with more detailed choreography. But the biggest reason is because the storyboards were actually good. Even if the animation was better this season, it wouldn't mean much with the janky storyboards. It didn't have low points like the latest episode or the Grasshopper one either. So far there isn't a fight in Shibuya as free-flowing and with the dynamic camera work of Gojo vs Sukuna, Yuji/Nanami vs Mahito, Yuji/Todo vs Hanami or Yuji/Nobara vs Eso/Kechizu for e.g.; even if Mechamaru vs Mahito and Yuji vs Choso had good art direction.
All of this checks out with MAPPA's inhuman scheduling for this season.
| @ANTITHE5IS "Art direction" literally refers to backgrounds more than anything else, dumbass, so you're contradicting yourself. There is no "nerfed art direction", backgrounds and color design for S2 is infinitely better than the dull and often overly busy look season 1 had. Specially since you literally have the movie's art supervisor Junichi Higashi as the new art director and everything looks much more polished and lively. Look at the backgrounds in S1, specially any scene that happens in a forest, and tell me with a straight face S1 had "better art direction". Objectively wrong statement |
| It’s different but not to the point where it’s terrible quality, most of the episodes so far have been directed very well, which matters the most atm. |
ktg said: S1 is definitely better. It's so sad that MAPPA ruins/ruined many shows. It's not even among the best studios anymore. They never have been a top tier studio, but most episodes in jjk season 2 have been good so far, animation wise is at an acceptable level. |
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@Ionliosite2 "aside the technical aspects hat obviously contributes to a series looking good". Glad you admit that S1 has objectively better animation. And nice non-example. I implore you to enlighten me on what it is about the Hanami fight that's "laughing inducing" aside from that 3-second sequence of Yuji and Todo running in a CG background. And then give me an example of an extended animated sequence from Shibuya that's as dynamic, well-choreographed and well-panned as the scene of Yuji and Todo fighting in mid-air on Hanami's roots. And the Hanami fight was probably the weakest example on that list anyway lol. Excluding Hidden Inventory, S1 has the highest productional peaks whilst S2 has the deepest valleys.
"if you think this season is the one with ugly colours" I don't. You're the only one who called JJK ugly lol. But the art direction for Shibuya is indeed soulless and reminiscent of Chainsaw Man with those washed-up colours (the only exceptions being the aforementioned Mechamaru and Choso fights). Perhaps you skipped Gojo's entire fight in the metro station for instance, and how underwhelming the delivery of his sealing was despite meaning to be a big deal. I can't be asked to give visual examples right now, but I will if I must.
"if you think this season is the one with ugly colours" I don't. You're the only one who called JJK ugly lol. But the art direction for Shibuya is indeed soulless and reminiscent of Chainsaw Man with those washed-up colours (the only exceptions being the aforementioned Mechamaru and Choso fights). Perhaps you skipped Gojo's entire fight in the metro station for instance, and how underwhelming the delivery of his sealing was despite meaning to be a big deal. I can't be asked to give visual examples right now, but I will if I must.
| @ANTITHE5IS And then give me an example of an extended animated sequence from Shibuya that's as dynamic, well-choreographed and well-panned as the scene of Yuji and Todo fighting in mid-air on Hanami's roots. You mean aside from Yuji vs Choso, which has absolutely phenomeal storyboarding and some of the best usage of 3D layouts and backgrounds you ever can find in a shonen? Combined with excellent usage of colors, stylization, and symbolism, and all of that without even counting the actual bathroom segment, which very much has fast and well made coreography, and still has strong layouts and dynamic animation even in a situation where characters are in a tight space? Quite literally the single best episode in JJK, and easily washes anything S1 had. ANTITHE5IS said: But the art direction for Shibuya is indeed soulless and reminiscent of Chainsaw Man with those washed-up colours No, it is not "soulless" in any stretch of the imagination. You have way more vibrant color choices and more interesting shot compositions on a frequent basis in S2. No awful forests with poorly integrated CG trees, no sewers with hideous textures, no backgrounds that look like a coat of mud was painted over them last minute. You have actual lavishly great backgrounds that are just pleasing to look at. And CSM is not "washed-up" or "souless" either,. ANTITHE5IS said: Perhaps you skipped Gojo's entire fight in the metro station for instance, and how underwhelming the delivery of his sealing was despite meaning to be a big deal. Underwhelming my ass. Behind Choso's, the best fight this season had. Excellent drawings by Souta Yamazaki, and fantastic animation by people like Daniel Kim and Kaito Tomioka, and Gosso's storyboard prowess to top it off. https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/b889f7996b1ad0980ac50c8aa34f44c6.mp4 https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/4ed9007404660d00a9d1166188f08492.mp4 https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/9315ae2822b5315dced9ea5b4fe3295c.mp4 https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/5b1b99b5e9868886a57f1dd622363417.mp4 https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/ee2041dffe57b37a296b267bc0962e99.mp4 https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/336611c726feec4b98717f914510d897.mp4     |
ANTITHE5IS said: @CreepHazard Consider wasting your time with fewer people, no serious person wastes theirs on someone who uses MAPPA's Chainsaw Man as their animation benchmark anyway. Well you just chose to so it's self contradictory |
ANTITHE5IS said: The presentation is bad collectively speaking. There's no visual style to the art and the undetailed models can't justify themselves any longer because S1's animation is objectively better. The slideshows aren't even pretty to look at because of the drab art direction and the overuse of close-ups that make fights hard to follow in their entirety. The worst part about the production isn't the mediocre art and animation, though; it's how terrible the storyboarding is at creating set pieces. With the arguable exception of EP13, every Shibuya episode has felt disjointed and lethargic when it should be the opposite. Not sure what happened to the quality after Hidden Inventory, but for the most part, this has been an inferior adaptation to the manga, which I never saw myself saying. The only stellar fights in these last 14 episodes have been both rounds of Gojo vs Toji, with Gojo's Blue being the best animated scene in the entire series. It’s not because of the animation that the shibuya arc is lacking so far, it’s because the first part of shibuya wasn’t even that good to begin with😂 The only thing carrying jjk right now is the top tier animation and direction, choso vs itadori was kinda mid when i read it the first time, so was basically all the fights except Gojo vs the curses. The jjk anime right now is so much better than the manga because of the animation and direction. The “real” shibuya doesn’t start until next episode, that’s when the manga started getting good. My point is stop bashing on anime when it’s the manga’s fault the anime is lacking. |
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@ANTITHE5IS "Art direction" literally refers to backgrounds more than anything else, dumbass, so you're contradicting yourself. There is no "nerfed art direction", backgrounds and color design for S2 is infinitely better than the dull and often overly busy look season 1 had. Specially since you literally have the movie's art supervisor Junichi Higashi as the new art director and everything looks much more polished and lively. Look at the backgrounds in S1, specially any scene that happens in a forest, and tell me with a straight face S1 had "better art direction". Objectively wrong statement
| @Oongbuh Let's start with your low IQ argument about Higashi. It doesn't matter that S2 shares the same art director as JJK0 when the movie has the same art style as S1 but with more polish; it's closer to S1 than it is S2 and most people consider that to to be the best-looking JJK title. I can't tell if you're playing semantics with terminology and arguing for the sake of it because you're still upset about our previous two exchanges, but I've already said the backgrounds are more consistent in S2. Instead of kneejerking as a MAPPA shill who went awfully silent when JJK's staff were exposing the studio's unethical corporate practices, read slower when you see my posts next time. The art direction aside from the backgrounds is indeed worse due to the washed colour palette that lacks visual style and fits the series less than S1's darker tones that still pop with saturated colours whilst accompanied by detailed art. Backgrounds and compositing are definitely worse but they don't compare to how droopy the storyboards in S2 are, which make the fights slower than they should be and are only compounded by worse animation which invalidates the very art style carrying it. |
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@ANTITHE5IS
You mean aside from Yuji vs Choso, which has absolutely phenomeal storyboarding and some of the best usage of 3D layouts and backgrounds you ever can find in a shonen? Combined with excellent usage of colors, stylization, and symbolism, and all of that without even counting the actual bathroom segment, which very much has fast and well made coreography, and still has strong layouts and dynamic animation even in a situation where characters are in a tight space? Quite literally the single best episode in JJK, and easily washes anything S1 had.
No, it is not "soulless" in any stretch of the imagination. You have way more vibrant color choices and more interesting shot compositions on a frequent basis in S2. No awful forests with poorly integrated CG trees, no sewers with hideous textures, no backgrounds that look like a coat of mud was painted over them last minute. You have actual lavishly great backgrounds that are just pleasing to look at. And CSM is not "washed-up" or "souless" either,.
Underwhelming my ass. Behind Choso's, the best fight this season had. Excellent drawings by Souta Yamazaki, and fantastic animation by people like Daniel Kim and Kaito Tomioka, and Gosso's storyboard prowess to top it off.
https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/b889f7996b1ad0980ac50c8aa34f44c6.mp4
https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/4ed9007404660d00a9d1166188f08492.mp4
https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/9315ae2822b5315dced9ea5b4fe3295c.mp4
https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/5b1b99b5e9868886a57f1dd622363417.mp4
https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/ee2041dffe57b37a296b267bc0962e99.mp4
https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/336611c726feec4b98717f914510d897.mp4
And then give me an example of an extended animated sequence from Shibuya that's as dynamic, well-choreographed and well-panned as the scene of Yuji and Todo fighting in mid-air on Hanami's roots.
You mean aside from Yuji vs Choso, which has absolutely phenomeal storyboarding and some of the best usage of 3D layouts and backgrounds you ever can find in a shonen? Combined with excellent usage of colors, stylization, and symbolism, and all of that without even counting the actual bathroom segment, which very much has fast and well made coreography, and still has strong layouts and dynamic animation even in a situation where characters are in a tight space? Quite literally the single best episode in JJK, and easily washes anything S1 had.
ANTITHE5IS said:
But the art direction for Shibuya is indeed soulless and reminiscent of Chainsaw Man with those washed-up colours
But the art direction for Shibuya is indeed soulless and reminiscent of Chainsaw Man with those washed-up colours
No, it is not "soulless" in any stretch of the imagination. You have way more vibrant color choices and more interesting shot compositions on a frequent basis in S2. No awful forests with poorly integrated CG trees, no sewers with hideous textures, no backgrounds that look like a coat of mud was painted over them last minute. You have actual lavishly great backgrounds that are just pleasing to look at. And CSM is not "washed-up" or "souless" either,.
ANTITHE5IS said:
Perhaps you skipped Gojo's entire fight in the metro station for instance, and how underwhelming the delivery of his sealing was despite meaning to be a big deal.
Perhaps you skipped Gojo's entire fight in the metro station for instance, and how underwhelming the delivery of his sealing was despite meaning to be a big deal.
Underwhelming my ass. Behind Choso's, the best fight this season had. Excellent drawings by Souta Yamazaki, and fantastic animation by people like Daniel Kim and Kaito Tomioka, and Gosso's storyboard prowess to top it off.
https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/b889f7996b1ad0980ac50c8aa34f44c6.mp4
https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/4ed9007404660d00a9d1166188f08492.mp4
https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/9315ae2822b5315dced9ea5b4fe3295c.mp4
https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/5b1b99b5e9868886a57f1dd622363417.mp4
https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/ee2041dffe57b37a296b267bc0962e99.mp4
https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/336611c726feec4b98717f914510d897.mp4
| @Oongbuh Funny how even the best sequences from that fight aren't free from weird camera pans and dropping frames (clip 1), visual blurring probably beyond any third-party ghosting (clip 2), an unimpressive scene of Hanami's roots compared to what she's shown in S1 (clip 3), and slideshows feigning movement (clip 6). Ignoring the poorly directed conclusion to the fight, you should've shown all those clips of the barely animated background characters before and during the fight (even before Gojo went Unlimited Void) that worked against the intended chaos of the scene and shattered the fight's immersion. No attempt from clever directing was even made to circumvent that problem. I'd say the only fights with pristine visuals and direction 100% of the time are Gojo vs Sukuna and the two HI Toji fights - none of which are from Shibuya. Not even Yuji vs Choso which you were slobbering are as animated, speedy and simply have more going on every second thanks to better storyboarding as many of these S1 fights, even if they have their own hiccups (mainly compositing): Gojo vs Sukuna: https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/157155 https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/134442 Yuji/Nanami vs Mahito: https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/140472 https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/150886 https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/140420 https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/139776 https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/140428 https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/140421 Yuji/Todo vs Hanami: https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/146024 https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/146602 https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/146018 https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/184245 Yuji/Nobara vs Cursed Brothers: https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/149562 https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/174909 https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/149559 https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/149550 https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/149553 Animation from side fights better than at least 99% of Shibuya: https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/138329 https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/144495 https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/143695 https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/144499 https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/144501 https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/134439 And not sure why you posted these storyboards like they mean anything by themselves. Must be a sakugahead habit. I could do that too. It won't change the fact that the fight was sequentially slower than the average JJK fight and only felt dynamic when Gojo activated Unlimited Void (but which the drowsy narrator and terrible music choice undermined anyway). |
AntithesisOct 29, 2023 2:15 AM
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| I feel like S2 has better animation ngl |
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@Ionliosite2 "aside the technical aspects hat obviously contributes to a series looking good". Glad you admit that S1 has objectively better animation. And nice non-example. I implore you to enlighten me on what it is about the Hanami fight that's "laughing inducing" aside from that 3-second sequence of Yuji and Todo running in a CG background. And then give me an example of an extended animated sequence from Shibuya that's as dynamic, well-choreographed and well-panned as the scene of Yuji and Todo fighting in mid-air on Hanami's roots. And the Hanami fight was probably the weakest example on that list anyway lol. Excluding Hidden Inventory, S1 has the highest productional peaks whilst S2 has the deepest valleys.
"if you think this season is the one with ugly colours" I don't. You're the only one who called JJK ugly lol. But the art direction for Shibuya is indeed soulless and reminiscent of Chainsaw Man with those washed-up colours (the only exceptions being the aforementioned Mechamaru and Choso fights). Perhaps you skipped Gojo's entire fight in the metro station for instance, and how underwhelming the delivery of his sealing was despite meaning to be a big deal. I can't be asked to give visual examples right now, but I will if I must.
"if you think this season is the one with ugly colours" I don't. You're the only one who called JJK ugly lol. But the art direction for Shibuya is indeed soulless and reminiscent of Chainsaw Man with those washed-up colours (the only exceptions being the aforementioned Mechamaru and Choso fights). Perhaps you skipped Gojo's entire fight in the metro station for instance, and how underwhelming the delivery of his sealing was despite meaning to be a big deal. I can't be asked to give visual examples right now, but I will if I must.
| @ANTITHE5IS I hope you read my post again, because I said that the first season lacked the technical aspects that make a series look good, it almost seem that you read my post and wanted to modify it to something that matches what you're saying. You really seem to lack reading comprehension if you think I said that Shibuya looks ugly in colors, the only one that had washed up colors was the most recent episode, otherwise it has an actually nice looking color palette unlike the entirety of the first season, and the first season is the one reminiscent of Chainsaw Man's washed up colors either way. I haven't skipped anything of this season besides the terrible opening song for the Shibuya arc. I actually don't know why I'm defending something from Jujutsu Kaisen, I don't even like the series, it would be wasting my time keeping this discussion, keep believing season 1 looks better. |
Reply to Ionliosite2
@ANTITHE5IS I hope you read my post again, because I said that the first season lacked the technical aspects that make a series look good, it almost seem that you read my post and wanted to modify it to something that matches what you're saying.
You really seem to lack reading comprehension if you think I said that Shibuya looks ugly in colors, the only one that had washed up colors was the most recent episode, otherwise it has an actually nice looking color palette unlike the entirety of the first season, and the first season is the one reminiscent of Chainsaw Man's washed up colors either way. I haven't skipped anything of this season besides the terrible opening song for the Shibuya arc.
I actually don't know why I'm defending something from Jujutsu Kaisen, I don't even like the series, it would be wasting my time keeping this discussion, keep believing season 1 looks better.
You really seem to lack reading comprehension if you think I said that Shibuya looks ugly in colors, the only one that had washed up colors was the most recent episode, otherwise it has an actually nice looking color palette unlike the entirety of the first season, and the first season is the one reminiscent of Chainsaw Man's washed up colors either way. I haven't skipped anything of this season besides the terrible opening song for the Shibuya arc.
I actually don't know why I'm defending something from Jujutsu Kaisen, I don't even like the series, it would be wasting my time keeping this discussion, keep believing season 1 looks better.
| @Ionliosite2 Now would be when I provide visual examples of S1's superior character art while you keep confusing animation with art direction, but I accept your concession. I'll keep believing S1 looks better, since you haven't substantiated any of your claims yet and are just repeating yourself at this point. And yeah, I don't know why you got defensive over this exchange when we seem to have adjacent takes on MAPPA from what I've seen and the studio lives rent-free in your head. |
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| Not gonna blame you if you liked s1 more But ngl, hidden inventory arc fights was something else. If I have to rank my fav jjk animation style, it goes with this Hidden Inventory (special case, Yuji vs Choso) 0 S1 Shibuya |
We all have shit taste, especially in animes No one's right, no one's wrong  |
| I also dislike that they used narrator in this season I loved S1,0, and Hidden Inventory because they "shows" us instead of using narrator to explain everything I am a manga reader and I got a lil bit disappointed so far But as a manga reader, next fights are gonna be way more banger than what we've got so far. I hope they will adapt it well |
We all have shit taste, especially in animes No one's right, no one's wrong |
| Fights feel more dynamic and well paced in season 1 because they are. Animation, choreography, fight direction and camera work all peaked there with some of the best H2H combat displays in the medium. Anyone with working eyes and clean from copium will tell you that Yuji vs Mahito moves better than Yuji vs Choso. And at the end of the day, animation and choreography are way more important than something like art direction and SFX for a series where fights revolve around close combat over conceptual powers like in Bleach or JoJo. |
| Animation is shit and that's a fact. S1 is objectively better in every aspect. |
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