First impresion of the anime so far and why their marketing will backfire quickly

titodacat said:
ok so you wrote a lot of words that show you're trying to sound smart and analytical, but it really shows you're not the brightest bulb. First off, the show never was taking itself seriously, everything was played out showing how goofy it all was. I don't know how yoy could've taken it seriously, but it wasn't serious it was all, I mean he literally couldn't stop talking about how much better he was than everyone else to a point where it was painfully obvious it was the joke.

Second, you mentioned 2 shows that you tried to connect to this one but you just failed at, overlord and how not to summon are both shows about the protagonist being the bad guy. so, I don't know if you're blind and deaf but, the mc in this show is The Hero. Now I know that may be crazy to think of, but the hero is not a demon lord, you could've made a connection to slime and it wouldve worked much more as he starts out as a good guy, realizes humans bad then genocide ect. So no wonder you feel like the anime executed it horribly, you were waiting for it to execute something it wasn't trying to, so another problem you made for yourself.

Third, you mentioned how this show has a little niche and thats all it's selling itself on. im confused on how you can watch other fantasy shows and not connect that that single sentence sums up a lot of these fantasy shows' niches. Realist hero: it's niche is that the hero is a realist, genius prince: it's niche is that it's mc is a genius, how not to summon: its niche is that the mc has to pretend to be a demon lord when he's not. This shows niche is that the mc defeated the demon lord just to join the demon lords army. since there are so many of these isekai and these fantasy shows, these niches do separate them.

overall, you wrote a lot of words for a comedy show after 1 episode, if you're not into it that's OK, but don't try to make it the shows problem you don't like it. judging by the fact there's only 1 episode and you compared it to overlord and how not blah, you clearly want this show to be something it's not. that's your problem not the shows

JameaZ said:
Its sort of a niche, but theres so many "Demons" genre of anime that humanize demons and sometimes dehumanize humans (often portraying the church as the evil one).
For example: High school dxd, Devil is a part timer, Demon School Iruma-kun (only the humanize demons part), Maoyu, and a bunch more.
With that said, just because it falls under this category does not lower the quality of my watching experience. I had a good time watching those things I listed, so this anime being similar to that actually gives me more hope for this show.
In terms of how the actual anime will go, I don't have insights since MAL is reputable for having the most distorted ratings (rating in both anime and LN are ~7). The intended audience specifically for fantasy or anti hero trope is not well represented here, and it might be better received on the Japanese side.

lordkagetane said:


dude have you acutally even watched the episode or read anything i said? the one trying to act smart saying nothing there is you lol, i won't even bother explaining since you seek contradictions but u just repeat my points for 80% of your reply or straight say total nonsense. "the hero is not a demon lord" "you could make a connection to slime" , Rimuru is literally a demon lord, talking about trying to sound smart but you have no idea what you're talking about, contradicting youself in less than a sentence.

I never said that being niche is a problem, im saying this show offers nothing good even it's own niche tho, and any other shows execute it way better, so again, i don't really understood what are you even trying to demonstrate with your reply when i made my points pretty clear from beginnin still you say things completely unrelated to anything i acutally said.


Also i didn't watched that show u mentioned, so i don't see how this is supposed to be an counter argument, they may be as bad as YY for what i care, which i don't really, but i think that's good because it only got to the people that would have interest in it without misleading advertiising like YY.

I literally can't tell if you're even trying to be serious or not with anything you say btw, so make yourself clear if you'r really serious.



I think if they go something like maou-sama it could end pretty well, i really loved how they intgrated the isekai genre into basically a regular sol, every episode was hilarious, but i feel if YY goes that route most of its "comedy" will quickly fall under harem moments by episode 4 or so, though ig at least we'll have some moments with Leo doing chores.

lordkagetane said:
i can feel from ep 3 you will not even remember what is supposed to be special about this anime from the rest of isekais.

JameaZ said:

The Isekai genre really put a toll on your watching experience huh, its not for everyone. The marketing of the anime isn't really considering the western civilization because most revenue still comes from Japan. Though I somewhat disagree with that last statement because I heard from articles that revenue from overseas has an ongoing trend of beating domestic source.

Its also the fault of the overall hierarchical corporate system that occurs within anime studios. As a result many are late adapters to the ongoing changing business environments and they can't respond to the demand overseas.

Or maybe I'm wrong, maybe there's a silent majority in the west that actually likes Isekai and Japanese firms is correct.

Stanleyliam1990 said:
is this show an Isekai? I didn't realise after watching the first episode. it didn't mention any Reincarnation or anything like that in what I saw.

Stanleyliam1990 said:
is this show an Isekai? I didn't realise after watching the first episode. it didn't mention any Reincarnation or anything like that in what I saw.

ShadowGanon said:
It is not an isekai or a reincarnation story.

ShadowGanon said:
It is not an isekai or a reincarnation story.

lordkagetane said:

the literal only thing missing is being reincarnated, except that is totally isekai, it's like saying sao isnt isekai because they're in a game not in another world, its definitely more isekai than fantasy if you were to compare all elements that are there instead of picking just one missing.

eplipswich said:


Uh, SAO is an isekai because most of its events happen in separate game worlds that are different from the characters' original world. This anime isn't an isekai because it's literally still the same world throughout, no character got transferred to another world or game world or what.

RioFS said:
Overlord's 1st season was decent but apart from Ainz not exactly being kind-hearted and having to maintain a facade, he isn't all that interesting. I might be forgetting but did the anime ever delve into his backstory and how he feels a disconnect from humanity?

lordkagetane said:


I think it was explained in first or second season in one of his inner monologues how he starts to loses his emotions or such because of his transformation and that thing kinda scares him, but i kinda forgot the details, i saw it around 5 years ago.

edit: if you're refering about his personal life before the game i don't think there are many mentions, only some about his memories with the other guild members, but i know for sure the ln is going very in detail of how the life was in his world

Stanleyliam1990 said:
so why are people saying that this is another typical isekai story when it isn't. Shouldn't compare it to other isekai if it's not an isekai. It's a fantasy anime not isekai. To me the show has promise and I hope people watch it before they say its another isekai and don't give it a chance. That's just my opinion

MickDH said:
this isn't even an Isekai, whole thread was pointless.. its just a mid medieval show, Leave it as that and move on.

AuStErPlAy_2301 said:
I haven't watch this anime yet stop giving spoilers

RedCobra75 said:
you know this post is bait and flaming very clearly when he mention this is isekai, well you are not very new because i have seen you like doing trolling post every where.

but spoiler alert

lordkagetane said:


the literal only thing missing is being reincarnated, except that is totally isekai, it's like saying sao isnt isekai because they're in a game not in another world, its definitely more isekai than fantasy if you were to compare all elements that are there instead of picking just one missing.

TheBigGuy said:


Reincarnation isn't a core concept of Isekai. What's missing is the existence of another separate world.

lordkagetane said:


they weren't transfered either, they were just trapped with a quirky oculus stick to their heads. That kind of scientific development may become real in future since some game companies like mihoyo literally said they will try to recreate it, and it will definitely not transfer you in another dimension, VR Chat doesn't transfer you in another world either, you're literally in the same place you were when you put the expensive glasses on.

TheBigGuy said:


Reincarnation isn't a core concept of Isekai. What's missing is the existence of another separate world.

Eclipsse said:


Exactly thats why sao isnt actually an isekai and neither is this show. This show is just a fantasy
Isekai literally means to be reincarnated into another world

lordkagetane said:


Read TheBigGuy's comment though, it seems pretty isekai imo, though i didnt acutally read the manga to know where the story is going or how it works but it definitely is isekai.

lordkagetane said:


Read TheBigGuy's comment though, it seems pretty isekai imo, though i didnt acutally read the manga to know where the story is going or how it works but it definitely is isekai.

lordkagetane said:


fair enough though if RedCobra75 is right then it's kinda isekaish

Eclipsse said:
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Reincarnation is literally what iskeai means and stands for so yes it isnt a fucking isekai, otherwise ever fantasy show out there is iskeai, its the whole Goblin Slayer debate again, Goblin slayer isnt and iskeai neither isnt this, and also neither is SAO they are all fucking fantasy not iskeai

TheBigGuy said:


I don't know about that. It would still be same world either way.



Isekai literally means "another world". https://animemotivation.com/definition-of-isekai/
https://nihongomaster.com/japanese/dictionary/word/35809/sekai

You're right, both Goblin Slayer and this anime aren't Isekai. Because there isn't another world. Same thing goes for fantasy in general.

There are many Isekai in which the protagonist or a group of people aren't reincarnated but brought into another world as they are. In one story, it's even the entirety of Japan. Your statement about reincarnation is wrong.

Eclipsse said:


You are correct reincarnation is one form of it being an isekai if the person is reincarnated into another world, however, your statment said it wasn't a core concept when literally it is the concept of isekai, alongside with people being brought into another world.
Yes you are correct instating separate world is more important then anything else, but to say reincarnation isnt a major concept of isekai is also wrong

TheBigGuy said:


I don't know about that. It would still be same world either way.



Isekai literally means "another world". https://animemotivation.com/definition-of-isekai/
https://nihongomaster.com/japanese/dictionary/word/35809/sekai

You're right, both Goblin Slayer and this anime aren't Isekai. Because there isn't another world. Same thing goes for fantasy in general.

There are many Isekai in which the protagonist or a group of people aren't reincarnated but brought into another world as they are. In one story, it's even the entirety of Japan. Your statement about reincarnation is wrong.

lordkagetane said:
So basically this anime sells itself as "a hero that switched sides and wants to work for the demon lord", but in the end it's just the niche "i work for the demon lord" BUT "She's acutally a good guy and everyone else is evil" lmao, so basically nothing changes at all, it's peak generic with very little gimmick that will barely matter after few episodes, i can feel from ep 3 you will not even remember what is supposed to be special about this anime from the rest of isekais.

Tbh if you want to see a isekai where the mc is acutually morally questionable you can go for Overlord, first season is amazing and the rest are pretty good too, afaik there will be a new season soon too, from most isekais I know Ainz sells the best the image of a likeable main protagonist that's a villain.

Anyway back to YY, so far this anime seems like they didn't know How not to Summon a Demon Lord exist and tried to apply their gimmicks of having a supposedly "bad guy" protagonist that tries to act tough and such but he's one of the most generic main characters, the only difference being Diablo's niche is a comic relief, the anime doesn't take it seriously and even the characters don't really consider him a demon lord even if he's more op than anything in that lord, while YY tries really hard and takes itself too seriously on that very aspect, but executes it in a horrible way.

Though what are you thoughts, and if you're bold, what other animes do you think uses yuusha's gimmicks better than they? (since im sure the concept isn't really that new or unique)

lordkagetane said:


I literally never said or agreed that goblin slayer would be an isekai, also i know what isekai means, but you are right with the last points, being reincarnated isn't the main thing about isekai, there are other ways the protagonist can end there, and we still don't know the full background of our protagonist, we only know at this moment that he was a hero that was betrayed by his people.

I would also argue if another comment is right, that if he was alive for 10000 years or so and the world completely changed, dying and being reconstruct again it would definitely count as an isekai. imo thinking otherwise would only seem like you don't wanna accept a anime you like is under the isekai sub-genre, he may not travel in a different world but the world itself basically is the one isekaied. Op is currently in a total differnet world from the one he initially was and have memories of his past world, seems isekai enough to me, idk why people still argue if that's isekai or not. But feel free to correct me, so far i only saw first episode of this anime, though the way y'all put it only makes it seem more isekai.

TheBigGuy said:


I never claimed that you said that Goblin Slayer is an Isekai. Yes, he was betrayed and then switched sides. Nothing more, nothing less.

If time passes and the world changes, it's still not an Isekai because the world itself is still the same. Otherwise time travel would count as Isekai too. I haven't watched this anime yet and I actually like Isekai, so I wouldn't have a problem accepting it as an Isekai, it just isn't one. "the world itself basically is the one isekaied" doesn't make any sense in the first place. Having memories of the past is irrelevant. I'm not arguing if it's an Isekai or not, you are, me and Eclipsse were arguing about if reincarnation is a (major) concept of Isekai or not. It may seem like an Isekai if you're watering down the definition and meaning of Isekai.

My profile picture, avatar and signature are showing an Isekai character by the way.

lordkagetane said:


I literally never said or agreed that goblin slayer would be an isekai, also i know what isekai means, but you are right with the last points, being reincarnated isn't the main thing about isekai, there are other ways the protagonist can end there, and we still don't know the full background of our protagonist, we only know at this moment that he was a hero that was betrayed by his people.

I would also argue if another comment is right, that if he was alive for 10000 years or so and the world completely changed, dying and being reconstruct again it would definitely count as an isekai. imo thinking otherwise would only seem like you don't wanna accept a anime you like is under the isekai sub-genre, he may not travel in a different world but the world itself basically is the one isekaied. Op is currently in a total differnet world from the one he initially was and have memories of his past world, seems isekai enough to me, idk why people still argue if that's isekai or not. But feel free to correct me, so far i only saw first episode of this anime, though the way y'all put it only makes it seem more isekai.

Kimurah said:
If I had a dollar for evertime someone in this site acts as if they know what an isekai is, and writes down a plethora of convoluted explanations, checklists on what they think an isekai is, I'd be as rich as Bezos by now.



Just like TheBigGuy mentioned, it's not an isekai if there's a huge timelapse between a main character introduction and him/hr resuming his activites/life after that period of time. RipVan Winkle story isn't an isekai, neither is Doctor Stone.

Isekai translates literally to "other world". Forcible there must be a character or characters either being transported to another world from their original place or being reborn in this other world, as simple as that.

lordkagetane said:


hmm no, you're the ones picking if this is a isekai or not and ignore everything else, when the point from the very beginning barely had any relevance with this anime being a isekai or whatever else sub genre, it really doesn't matter under what category falls, tha'ts prtty irrelevant for the discussion, but for some reasons that's the only thing people are picking up

lordkagetane said:


Senku's world wanst destroyed tho so ofc doctor stone isnt isekai, unlike YY, it's more than just time skip.