| I don't care for most of them. Their opinions are meaningless to me and i don't learn anything from their reviews. |
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| I mean Anime Youtubers are just like any other fan so depending on what kind of fan they are it makes sense to like or dislike them a lot depending on how you align with them I do like Gigguk as a joke channel, don't watch Arkada anymore, stopped watching Anime Man and Lost Pause because they got boring real quick, Anime Snob stopped making good think worthy content and just uses buzzword critics to hate on shows now when not try harding on bullying other YTers, Digibro is dumb yet can make interests things to listen to so still watch his stuff if bored. Mothers Basement can only make one kind of good content and thats the OP videos he makes from time to time. Anything else he could honestly delete from his channel and it wouldn't be missed. As a final note I just say I miss Anime Addicts and wished he'd comeback honestly |
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| Most of the anime community is formed by autistic casuals overhyped by anime that are in love with Japan without knowing shit about anything. Also they take anime to fking serious, if you disagree with them prepare for a shit storm. Most of the anime youtubers have at least some kind of base to say what they say. Watching a lot of anime makes you notice more things, because like in life, having experience at something (even at something as trivial as anime) makes a difference. Something people doesn't seem to get. Don't get me wrong too, some of the youtubers are overhyped too or some are elitists to an absurd extreme. |
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Lunilah said: I don't care for most of them. Their opinions are meaningless to me and i don't learn anything from their reviews. You should check some of them, I got some pretty interesting shows that from them. The most useful videos imo are the ones were they talk about genres or the industry in general, especially when they talk about old shows. The reviews are pretty pointless most of the times. |
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DaCraziGuy said: I mean I think most would understand that logicWatching a lot of anime makes you notice more things, because like in life, having experience at something (even at something as trivial as anime) makes a difference. Something people doesn't seem to get. but most YTers haven't watched more anime than the average fan from what Ive noticed tbh |
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| I have never really cared for anime youtubers. I don't see the appeal in hearing someone I do not know's opinion. |
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| Most of the hate i see doesn't have any legitimate reason behind it, i feel like the edge lord trying to have 'different taste' than the others seem to be case most of the time. Otherwise people sometime bring up flaw to their views or reviews. Most ani tubers are there to convey their opinion or to breakdown the structure of anime and to entertain, that's pretty much it. There's no reason to be upset over. except mother's basement though lol because he thinks joking about nazi makes you a nazi |
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KawaiiPotato1412 said: just bcz u "respect" some retards opinions doesnt mean everyone has to.From a recent discussion (made by @HopefulNihilist), I noticed that the majority of people kinda have a distaste on anitubers like Mother's Basement, The Anime Man, Gigguk, Arkada, etc. Mostly on how they are crappy reviewers/critics. I can kinda understand why they are hated. Personally, all of the anitubers I watch are not too bad as what some people think. While they're not the perfect youtubers ever, I wouldn't hate them for that either. In fact, a lot of them are my influences on reviewing and analyzing about anime. Usually, I mostly watch them for entertainment (Gigguk is the best example for this). They have their own opinions and I respect those opinions that they have. Although if there's one thing that I kinda agree with most people, is that at times they can push their opinions way too far (a perfect example is Mother's Basement when it comes to his opinions on SAO and Franxx). Another thing that actually bugs me about most anitubers is a bit of "identity crisis". While some anitubers usually stick to reviews and analyzing like Arkada and Mother's Basement; singing covers like AmaLee; top tens and recommendations like Misty/Chronexia; or just pure entertainment (and sometimes analyzing) like Lost Pause (I'm kinda surprised that not a lot of people mention about him). There are some like the Anime Man, akidearest and even Gigguk that kinda struggle on what kind of anime channel they want to be. But then there's that one anime channel not a lot of people mention about (despite having over 100k subscribers): Anime America, the biggest victim (in my opinion) when it comes to "identity crisis" on being an anime YT channel. While they still do anime reviews and top 10s, nowadays they are kinda becoming less of an anime channel and rely more on things that are not even anime. Not to mention the YT adpocalypse really hit them hard. When it comes to doing their anime critiquing, it's a bit more worse than all the other anitubers (even MB does better). But then again, much like other anitubers, I still respect their opinions. I'm not hating on them (they're still a fun channel), it's just that I'm a bit disappointed on their content nowadays. I just wanted to bring this up because not a lot of people talk about Anime America anymore for reasons I just said. Anyways, what are your thoughts on anitubers? Do you like them or hate them and why? gah |
| Is it really popular in other countries? I mean, it's not popular where I live, definitely not. so I had never heard of them till a month ago when someone make a thread about it. If you are a kind of youtuber who reviews anime, then, of course you will be hated by someone cuz the anime community is a fun square expecting don't be hated by talking of anime is too juvenile. |
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| used to watch them but eventually annoyed by them when i see them on my feed but there are smaller channels out there who does the same thing but you can tell the difference from the bigger anitubers mentioned since they make reviews/analyzation of manga/anime/characters in video essay format |
Deknijff said: DaCraziGuy said: I mean I think most would understand that logicWatching a lot of anime makes you notice more things, because like in life, having experience at something (even at something as trivial as anime) makes a difference. Something people doesn't seem to get. but most YTers haven't watched more anime than the average fan from what Ive noticed tbh Yes, a lot of them are plebs ahahah, the most experienced ones generally talk about a wide array of shows and not just the seasonals ones. Even if it sound "elitist", the people that talk about old shows usually know what they are talking about. The only extreme of "elitist" that I know on youtube is Digibro tho, he hates 95% of the newer animes so his opinions on new shows is pretty useless imo. |
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| I would rather watch another ep of an anime than to waste my precious time on a crappy review. Btw this guy alxandxr (or however its spelled) is actually good on YT |
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| How can someone fail at delivering an opinion? Most people who dislike these guys (review anitubers, I mean) just dislike their opinions. It's quite evident. I don't watch many of 'em, but personally I've always enjoyed watching Arkada's reviews. There are plenty of stances I disagree with him on, but the structure and quality of the videos are always stellar and I greatly respect that part of the experience. Some of these guys probably shouldn't watch 'em because generally they aren't going to ever be happy with one. As far as other Anitubers, just depends on what kinda content you want to watch. Don't like goofy, meme-like anime nerds? Then Lost Pause isn't going to be for you. Don't like quirky, overly-critical anime reviewers? Then someone like Arkada isn't going to be for you. So on and so forth. |
Rescue22Jan 17, 2019 7:06 PM
HopefulNihilist said: DaCraziGuy said: The only extreme of "elitist" that I know on youtube is Digibro tho, he hates 95% of the newer animes so his opinions on new shows is pretty useless imo. Why does having a negative opinion make your opinion invalid? Digibro goes into more depth as to why he dislikes/likes an anime, more than almost any other anime Youtuber I know of. I didn't said it's invalid, I said his opinions on new shows are useless because he dislikes almost everything new and he is biased towards a lot of shows. In some of his "deep opinions" I heard some mistakes about some shows that clearly means he wasn't even paying atention to them. He complained about things that were explained in a literal and explicit way in a couple of shows. But don't get me wrong, he knows about anime, but he clearly is biased about newer shows and it's fine. |
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HopefulNihilist said: @Rescue22, because a review and an opinion separately are completely different things. A reviewer isn't a reviewer if all he does is give a simple opinion, thus failing. Hiding behind the label of a simple opinion is the benchmark of playing it safe, and reducing reviews to just opinions is a standard of lowering equivalent to throwing them off a bridge.Rescue22 said: How can someone fail at delivering an opinion? Most people who dislike these guys (review anitubers) just dislike their opinions. It's quite evident. This. Edit: DaCraziGuy said: The difference about recognizing that bias in someone with that amount of knowledge in anime, especially when it's shown they can have incredible on the money and over the top points, is that when you challenge them it's on a different level than someone who isn't known to have much substance, because the people without substance are usually along the lines of giving statements that aren't inaccurate but still not saying anything either. It's a completely different ball game, and he's obviously not the only one, but for him specifically i would like to know what he thinks about more mainstream anime but because of the way he is that will never happen.HopefulNihilist said: Why does having a negative opinion make your opinion invalid? Digibro goes into more depth as to why he dislikes/likes an anime, more than almost any other anime Youtuber I know of. I didn't said it's invalid, I said his opinions on new shows are useless because he dislikes almost everything new and he is biased towards a lot of shows. In some of his "deep opinions" I heard some mistakes about some shows that clearly means he wasn't even paying atention to them. He complained about things that were explained in a literal and explicit way in a couple of shows. But don't get me wrong, he knows about anime, but he clearly is biased about newer shows and it's fine. |
LunilahJan 17, 2019 7:32 PM
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| I only watch Gidduk for the sarcastic jokes, I only watch Lost Pause for the memes/laughs and I only watch Melon pan for the quality content he provides. All the others are trash. I rather watch an anime episode instead of some idiot thinking his opinion means something. |
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Lunilah said: @Rescue22, because a review and an opinion separately are completely different things. A reviewer isn't a reviewer if all he does is give a simple opinion, thus failing. Hiding behind the label of a simple opinion is the benchmark of playing it safe, and reducing reviews to just opinions is a standard of lowering equivalent to throwing them off a bridge. That's exactly what a review is though when you tear it down to it's fundamentals, a collection of opinions. There's no "hiding" behind it, that's just what it is. Now I have no qualms with someone criticizing the quality of an opinion, but that's neither here nor there. That's not failing to give an opinion, that's failing to give an opinion of quality...which that in itself is an opinion. All subjective. I can say Show A sucks because of Opinions 1, 2 and 3...then you (with the opposite opinion) can retort with Counter-argument 1, 2 and 3 to challenge the quality and worth of my opinion. That doesn't mean that the opinion's failed in itself, it's simply not the opinion you wanted to hear. Was my opinion objectively incorrect? One could argue I guess, but that's unrelated to my original statement. |
Rescue22Jan 17, 2019 7:33 PM
| Honest talk. Why do people go onto Youtube and not on some wordpress or something? |
| I'll forever be grateful for The Anime Man for learning me a big bunch of what I know about anime today and RCAnime for linking Monogatari to the French new wave. Digibro can have good reviews if he wants to but sometimes he just doesn't even bother. Half of his Shinsekai Yori video for example consists out of things he won't complain about if he actually paid attention. Gigguk is nice if you want to laugh but nothing else. There's this guy who does go in depth with certain animators he likes but I forgot his name. I know Digi didn't like how he always sounds out of breath or something. Under The Scope is actually good but he doesn't talk about anime I care about. Anime Everyday is good but he stopped uploading. |
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notnicethings said: Honest talk. Why do people go onto Youtube and not on some wordpress or something? Especially when a lot of them won't ever be happy with what they see? Probably so they can reserve the right to complain. |
Rescue22 said: The difference is, reviews are called reviews because they're a critical evaluation of something, opinions are views that do not require knowledge and reducing reviews to simple opinions would be an incorrect way to present them as it discredits the point of it's existence and lowers the standard. You're not wrong about saying reviews can be torn down to just opinions, but the whole point is that you're tearing down in the first place.Lunilah said: @Rescue22, because a review and an opinion separately are completely different things. A reviewer isn't a reviewer if all he does is give a simple opinion, thus failing. Hiding behind the label of a simple opinion is the benchmark of playing it safe, and reducing reviews to just opinions is a standard of lowering equivalent to throwing them off a bridge. That's exactly what a review is though when you tear it down to it's fundamentals, a collection of opinions. There's no "hiding" behind it, that's just what it is. Now I have no qualms with someone criticizing the quality of an opinion, but that's neither here nor there. That's not failing to give an opinion, that's failing to give an opinion of quality...which that in itself is an opinion. All subjective. I can say Show A sucks because of Opinions 1, 2 and 3...then you (with the opposite opinion) can retort with Counter-argument 1, 2 and 3 to challenge the quality and worth of my own opinion. That doesn't mean that the opinion's failed in itself, it's simply not the opinion you wanted to hear. Was my opinion objectively incorrect? One could argue I guess, but that's unrelated to my original statement. |
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Rescue22 said: I mean like why not go and read some review site instead of watching a like 30 minute video or something. notnicethings said: Honest talk. Why do people go onto Youtube and not on some wordpress or something? Especially when a lot of them won't ever be happy with what they see? Probably so they can reserve the right to complain. |
HopefulNihilist said: DaCraziGuy said: I didn't said it's invalid Generally, invalid and useless kinda mean the same thing. DaCraziGuy said: I said his opinions on new shows are useless because he dislikes almost everything new Why does that make his opinions useless? DaCraziGuy said: he is biased towards a lot of shows. How is he biased? He already goes in thinking that a show is bad, doesn't pay attention to anything and then say it's bad. Just that. Besides, hating 95% of the new shows is a pretty obvious pattern. I've watched anime for 23 years and I'm sure that anime today is not that different from older shows in term fo quality, having such a different opinion on anime means one thing, he likes much more older shows than newer ones. So, for him Old > New, and that is being biased. Don't get me wrong, it is fine to think like that. But it's the same as me saying that an idol show is bad, for me every idol show is bad so I'm biased and it's pointless to ask me an opinion about an idol show. For him all new shows are bad except a few exceptions. For some people Old = shit so if you ask them about an old show of course they are going to say that it's bad. |
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Lunilah said: Rescue22 said: The difference is, reviews are called reviews because they're a critical evaluation of something, opinions are views that do not require knowledge and reducing reviews to simple opinions would be an incorrect way to present them as it discredits the point of it's existence and lowers the standard. You're not wrong about saying reviews can be torn down to just opinions, but the whole point is that you're tearing down in the first place.That's exactly what a review is though when you tear it down to it's fundamentals, a collection of opinions. There's no "hiding" behind it, that's just what it is. Now I have no qualms with someone criticizing the quality of an opinion, but that's neither here nor there. That's not failing to give an opinion, that's failing to give an opinion of quality...which that in itself is an opinion. All subjective. I can say Show A sucks because of Opinions 1, 2 and 3...then you (with the opposite opinion) can retort with Counter-argument 1, 2 and 3 to challenge the quality and worth of my own opinion. That doesn't mean that the opinion's failed in itself, it's simply not the opinion you wanted to hear. Was my opinion objectively incorrect? One could argue I guess, but that's unrelated to my original statement. I'm failing to understand why calling a review a collection of opinions is "lowering the standard" when that's exactly what it is. Also, not once did I call reviews "simple" opinions. That is something you chose to add in. An opinion isn't inherently simple or uninformed. For the sake of a review, the point is to form opinions that are informed, since you're critiquing what you yourself have viewed. Otherwise your review would be redundant and fall upon deaf ears. Even if a review doesn't contain the most informed opinions, that doesn't change the standards of reviews...it only lowers the standards of that reviewer alone. |
Rescue22Jan 17, 2019 8:02 PM
| First and foremost, YouTube is probably the worst place to discuss or review absolutely everything. As for me, I obviously don't hate random persons, who I can easily ignore. But, in my experience, most of them are rather bad in what they do. |
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Rescue22 said: I said that because this statement is very reductive and it's what i was talking about.Lunilah said: The difference is, reviews are called reviews because they're a critical evaluation of something, opinions are views that do not require knowledge and reducing reviews to simple opinions would be an incorrect way to present them as it discredits the point of it's existence and lowers the standard. You're not wrong about saying reviews can be torn down to just opinions, but the whole point is that you're tearing down in the first place. I'm failing to understand why calling a review a collection of opinions is "lowering the standard" when that's exactly what it is. Also, not once did I call reviews "simple" opinions. That is a stance you chose to take. Rescue22 said: That is reducing it to a simple opinion since you gave context to review anitubers.How can someone fail at delivering an opinion? Most people who dislike these guys (review anitubers, I mean) just dislike their opinions. It's quite evident. The rest of your post is stuff we already agree on. |
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HopefulNihilist said: I don't necessarily think he is bad but just that he only makes one type of video that feels worth watching and all else can be ignored as worthless materialDeknijff said: Why do you think Mother's Basement is bad as a content creator?I mean Anime Youtubers are just like any other fan so depending on what kind of fan they are it makes sense to like or dislike them a lot depending on how you align with them I do like Gigguk as a joke channel, don't watch Arkada anymore, stopped watching Anime Man and Lost Pause because they got boring real quick, Anime Snob stopped making good think worthy content and just uses buzzword critics to hate on shows now when not try harding on bullying other YTers, Digibro is dumb yet can make interests things to listen to so still watch his stuff if bored. Mothers Basement can only make one kind of good content and thats the OP videos he makes from time to time. Anything else he could honestly delete from his channel and it wouldn't be missed. As a final note I just say I miss Anime Addicts and wished he'd comeback honestly HopefulNihilist said: lol whatI think he provides the most analytical viewpoints out of all the other anitubers HopefulNihilist said: I mean pointing out a theme isn't that hard to be honest if one cares to look for it but ok good for him he makes a claim that anime X has a recurring theme of Y, then actually back it up using in-text support. |
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Lunilah said: Rescue22 said: I said that because this statement is very reductive and it's what i was talking about.I'm failing to understand why calling a review a collection of opinions is "lowering the standard" when that's exactly what it is. Also, not once did I call reviews "simple" opinions. That is a stance you chose to take. Rescue22 said: That is reducing it to a simple opinion since you gave context to review anitubers.How can someone fail at delivering an opinion? Most people who dislike these guys (review anitubers, I mean) just dislike their opinions. It's quite evident. The rest of your post is stuff we already agree on. I think one of those words is missing. The subject associated with the original statement does not at all change the statement. "How can someone fail at delivering an opinion?", you cannot add words in just because of the subject that statement is aimed towards. |
Rescue22Jan 17, 2019 8:12 PM
Rescue22 said: It doesn't change my point if i remove the word simple or even what you said if you added it, giving emphasis on the difference of what an opinion is in contrast to what a review is should be self-evident, but conflating the 2 in the post in question is the crux of what i'm talking about. Lunilah said: I said that because this statement is very reductive and it's what i was talking about.That is reducing it to a simple opinion since you gave context to review anitubers. The rest of your post is stuff we already agree on. I think one of those words is missing. The subject associated with the original statement does not at all change the meaning of the statement. "How can someone fail at delivering an opinion?", you cannot add words in just because of the subject that statement is aimed towards. |
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DaCraziGuy said: Lmao for the longest time Digibrony was all about that new anime, then he does a 180 and starts praising anime from the 70s/80s/90s.HopefulNihilist said: Why does having a negative opinion make your opinion invalid? Digibro goes into more depth as to why he dislikes/likes an anime, more than almost any other anime Youtuber I know of. I didn't said it's invalid, I said his opinions on new shows are useless because he dislikes almost everything new and he is biased towards a lot of shows. In some of his "deep opinions" I heard some mistakes about some shows that clearly means he wasn't even paying atention to them. He complained about things that were explained in a literal and explicit way in a couple of shows. But don't get me wrong, he knows about anime, but he clearly is biased about newer shows and it's fine. The reason he started praising them is because he barely started watching them, he didn't before because it didn't bring in the views/money. Well technically he did watch some but not like now. Watch the crunchyroll video where they interviewed him, it's all there. @Lunilah There's also where he says that you can't judge K-On by it's first episode but does it to other anime. |
CabronJan 17, 2019 8:19 PM
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Cabron said: I think given context that's just his personal experience, he definitely knows that applies to other things he just doesn't want to give the time to finding out every single anime that it applies to, i assume he wants to search for things that interest him right away.@Lunilah There's also where he says that you can't judge K-On by it's first episode but does it to other anime. |
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Lunilah said: Rescue22 said: It doesn't change my point if i remove the word simple or even what you said if you added it, giving emphasis on the difference of what an opinion is in contrast to what a review is should be self-evident, but conflating the 2 in the post in question is the crux of what i'm talking about. I think one of those words is missing. The subject associated with the original statement does not at all change the meaning of the statement. "How can someone fail at delivering an opinion?", you cannot add words in just because of the subject that statement is aimed towards. I don't quite see that at all to be honest. A review is rampant with opinions. That's what makes it what it is. Otherwise there is no dialogue to be had. I'll choose to agree to disagree with you on this. |
Lunilah said: Maybe, but I see it as hypocrisy/double standards.Cabron said: I think given context that's just his personal experience, he definitely knows that applies to other things he just doesn't want to give the time to finding out every single anime that it applies to, i assume he wants to search for things that interest him right away.@Lunilah There's also where he says that you can't judge K-On by it's first episode but does it to other anime. |
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Rescue22 said: Just because reviews have opinions doesn't mean you should reduce it to just an opinion, it's a review, a critical evaluation. I'll agree that it's just bad phrasing.Lunilah said: It doesn't change my point if i remove the word simple or even what you said if you added it, giving emphasis on the difference of what an opinion is in contrast to what a review is should be self-evident, but conflating the 2 in the post in question is the crux of what i'm talking about. I don't quite see that at all to be honest. A review is rampant with opinions. That's what makes it what it is. Otherwise there is no dialogue to be had. I'll choose to agree to disagree with you on this. Cabron said: Honestly it's probably just a lack of caring, no malice in it. It's a lot easier to be ignorant of something when you don't know what you're missing.Lunilah said: Maybe, but I see it as hypocrisy/double standards.I think given context that's just his personal experience, he definitely knows that applies to other things he just doesn't want to give the time to finding out every single anime that it applies to, i assume he wants to search for things that interest him right away. |
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Mkim said: A shame, I enjoyed the people who were at THEMreviews and whatnot.notnicethings said: video killed the written blog star.I mean like why not go and read some review site instead of watching a like 30 minute video or something. |
Lunilah said: @DaCraziGuy, you forgot to mention he drops most things after 1 episode or less, essentially not even giving most things a chance as he drops more than he completes. True hahahah, he even does it in shows that need set up. But the worst thing is when he make up stuff because he skipped half of the episode, that is triggering imo. Also sometimes he starts a show and leave it on hold for 1 year, then he comes back and says "this is not the same now, I'm gonna drop it". |
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Cabron said: DaCraziGuy said: Lmao for the longest time Digibrony was all about that new anime, then he does a 180 and starts praising anime from the 70s/80s/90s.I didn't said it's invalid, I said his opinions on new shows are useless because he dislikes almost everything new and he is biased towards a lot of shows. In some of his "deep opinions" I heard some mistakes about some shows that clearly means he wasn't even paying atention to them. He complained about things that were explained in a literal and explicit way in a couple of shows. But don't get me wrong, he knows about anime, but he clearly is biased about newer shows and it's fine. The reason he started praising them is because he barely started watching them, he didn't before because it didn't bring in the views/money. Well technically he did watch some but not like now. Watch the crunchyroll video where they interviewed him, it's all there. @Lunilah There's also where he says that you can't judge K-On by it's first episode but does it to other anime. Hahaha, I didn't knew that. And the excuse about 1 episode is freaking hilarious too. But with what you said it's doesn't seem that wrong to call him a nostalfag then, lol. I really find funny the hate he shows towards new stuff. |
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| It's simple, people dislike another people who have different opinions than them. If these youtuber trash the anime you like, naturally you will hate them. These youtubers will definitely try to play it safe and not to trash things his subscribers already love. In other word, if many people love it, they won't trash it. If everyone hates it then they'll trash it too. If any of these youtubers think hating on SAO is still cool then I'll never take them seriously. |
Kaiser-chanJan 17, 2019 9:32 PM
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