| Introduction Before I start literally going off, I want to say that if you like Naruto and think Naruto is better I have no problem with you. This is all opinionated and how you feel. I want people to perfectly understand that neither series is better objectively and it's all on how you feel about each series. You can think Bleach is garbage and I will respect your opinion as maybe Naruto just appealed and did things better for you. I want people to understand that here. I'm also doing this because of the Bleach hate that has misrepresented the series to a point that Bleach is a laughingstock for the dumbest reasons and to point out flaws in Naruto that no one never points out that shows issues. I want to exclude filler. All that out of the way let me begin. Bleach is actually more mature Ichigo is way more mature than Naruto by far. Ichigo when fighting Ginjo in the Fullbring Ginjo was talking how Ichigo was trying to understand his perspective. Ichigo after finding out he didn't beat Ulquorria didn't want to kill him because it didn't feel right. Ichigo has always respected his opponents and understood why they fought him. He asked Byakuya why he tried to kill Rukia and when Byakuya told him Ichigo didn't shame him as only thing Ichigo did was tell him what he would do and Byakuya just thought "Hm." and it was a nice conversation that felt "genuine". When Rukia was saved and told Ichigo that she will be staying in the Soul Society Ichigo respected her decision as ALL HE WANTED was her safety as he smiled and said goodbye. Ichigo never tried to kill Ikkaku when he beat him and treated his injuries. Ikkaku respected Ichigo from that moment on and it's funny because Kenpachi let Ikkaku live and told him how living to fight is actually a good thing. Ikkaku doesn't want to be captain because he is dedicated to Kenpachi and wants to live, serve and die for Kenpachi out of respect. Ichigo from the beginning was just making life for the spirits he saw easier as thats the guy he is. He helped Sado and Sado respected him. Ichigo's whole life is in darkness. When Ichigo found out his Dad was a Soul Reaper Ichigo didn't get mad at his Dad as he just told his Dad that he can tell him everything when he's comfortable. Ichigo is a Teenager, a Shonen Protagonist yet he was the furthest thing from a Naruto or Luffy or Goku. Naruto is a Con-Artist Naruto with his "PEACE TO THE NINJA WORLD" crap is one of the worst things about him. Naruto thought the Hidden Cloud and the Hidden Leaf were going to War if the Hidden Cloud killed Sasuke who is *cough* A ROUGE NINJA! Naruto didn't do anything to become Hokage as for the 2nd Part of Naruto he was focused chasing Sasuke. Literally before Pain...Naruto was OBSESSED with Sasuke. Naruto has no experience in politics or the Ninja World yet he thinks he could create peace without even encouraging a discussion with the nations to solve issues. Why would ANYONE WORK WITH NARUTO AND SAKURA!? The worst team. Sasuke in Part 1 literally did everything and was hindered because of these 2. Look at the forest of death and Sakura got Naruto kidnapped because she didn't want Naruto peeing on a tree and told him to go in the fucking forest. Sasuke had to fight Orochimaru while Naruto is inside a Snake while trying to keep Sakura safe while BOTH OF HIS TEAM MEMBERS SHAME HIM! He knew Orochimaru is OP and tried to keep them safe and get away by giving up his scroll. In Shippuden when Sai talked about Sasuke and IT WAS THE TRUTH ABOUT THE SITUATION Sakura and Naruto acted irrational with Sakura threatening him and Naruto refusing to work with him and even in a situation where they practice Naruto worked by himself. Including Situations when Naruto got mad and goes Nine-Tails putting everyone at Risk. Can I say the Tenchi Bridge mission was a complete disaster and failure with everything that happened? Naruto told Nagato IN THE WAR that he had NO ANSWER when asked if he had a plan! Think about it from Pain's point of view because Pain stopped doing what he did because he believed in Naruto and died for his ideals....NARUTO DIDN'T DO SHIT! He doesn't understand that when a Ninja is attacking other ninja and is affiliated with a dangerous organization THAT PUTTING AN ORDER TO KILL HIM OR ARREST HIM IS REASONABLE! Naruto is a joke. He was a Sasuke hater and after barley talking to Sasuke after the Chunnin Exams in which most of their interactions were in the beginning for some reason they want me to buy into that these 2 are the closet of friends even though they ain't do shit comparable to Gon and Killua, Shit not comparable to Fuu, Mugen and Jin in Samurai Champloo. Their friendship isn't that deep and it never was. Sasuke didn't even care about Naruto as he litreally was focused on his own thing and Naruto ignored Sasuke's issue and literally if the Leaf Village was competent Sasuke wouldn't have gone rogue. Infact lets go there Gotei 13 > Hidden Leaf & Hidden Sand I say this with confidence. The Leaf and Sand are the 2 most shown villages in the series and I can't judge every other village as not much was explored despite it being fucking stupid. The Leaf's 3rd Hokage is the WORST HOKAGE OF ALL TIME and the 5th is the SECOND WORST HOKAGE! Saurtobi Hiruzen allowed for Danzo to do so much fuckery it's not even funny. Infact Sarutobi allowed Orochimaru to successfully infiltrate the village and attack it. Sarutobi was the reason that Neji's father died.....Another ninja from the Cloud village attacked the Hyugas and they killed him and the Cloud got mad and wanted the Leaf to send a ninja to them so they can kill them...obviously you tell the Cloud to go f-themselves? Oh wait....... The Uchiha Massacre didn't have to happen if only the 3rd Hokage didn't allow Danzo to have power. Itachi and Shisui one of them wanted to put them under a Genjustu for a while. Danzo took Shisui's fucking eye. The 5th Hokage Tsunade for some reason Is a Narutard She sends NARUTO UZUMAKI TO THE AKATSUKI! because "NARUTO CAN'T LOSE" and when the village elders try to compromise with Tsunade to keep Naruto in the village instead of Tsunade compromising with them to have Naruto get training she tells them to have Naruto be sent on Missions and THESE MISSIONS ARE HIM GOING TO THE FUCKING AKATSUKI that he will be safer traveling in 4-Man Squads where the Akatsuki can't find him, but WHY SAY THAT WHEN NARUTO'S MISSIONS HAVE ALWAYS INVOLVED THE AKATSUKI YOU FUCKING IDIOT! It would be better to have in the village for so many reasons. If you bring up Itachi and Pain then do you understand how incompetent the Leaf is? Literally Ninjas can come in undetected or detected and the Leaf is incompetent to do anything. Naruto only learned Sage Mode....he still had 2 Justu....I swear the Leaf is weak, but the SAND IS EVEN WORSE! Tsunade is a stupid bitch who sends Genin to fight Dangerous Ninja to rescue Sasuke. The Leaf Village have weak ass ninjas to where Genin are more competent than the Jonin. I'll stop there...I can go on and on and on and on and on because I have so much more, but this is getting too long. Edit Go to page 6 if you're on your mobile device or Page 4 on a Computer/Laptop and go to post #173 to where I give out more reasons on the issues of Naruto. |
ScorpiaraOct 29, 2017 5:59 PM
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
| Both of them are crap. I cant believe people are still debating about this clursterfuck shounens. |
"When you made this thread, I cried and screamed" -Swagernator 2017 |
nymi said: Both of them are crap. I cant believe people are still debating about this clursterfuck shounens. I don't think Bleach is crap. I know everyone says that, but literally criticisms about it were to BS for me |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
| what year is it? is it time to get my beyblade out? |
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romagia said: what year is it? is it time to get my beyblade out? Duel me for it fam. We're going to the time of 4KIDS |
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| I did read all the text and have to say that I agree to everything, actually I'm one of the few that think Bleach is better than Naruto, excluding the fillers, in wich Naruto fillers are usually better than Bleach's ones. But a child's show appeal more to the childs than a mature show. |
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| Why talk when everything relevant has already been said on the subject, and quite nicely at that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACq7tgjHdGA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74REUpOg2B4 |
romagia said: what year is it? is it time to get my beyblade out? please, beyblade time is all the time  |
| N.etorare T.echnical R.esearcher |
| Holy, when was the last time this was debated. They're both bad and irrelevant imo. |
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romagia said: if it is some how that time period then now as an adult its the perfect time to search for Mao doujins since I never did as a kid what year is it? is it time to get my beyblade out? |
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| @Lalakoboldslayer I didn't even get to how the Akatsuki shouldn't have even gotten that far. The nations were just incompetent and didn't do shit. Jiraya in 3 Years didn't teach Naruto shit compared to what he did in Part 1 and what Kakashi and the toads did in Part 2. I didn't mention how mature Orihime was about her feelings to Ichigo and envying how Rukia had an affect on him in helping him, but she didn't hate Rukia as shes good friends with her. Ino and Sakura is the EXACT OPPOSITE! They fought and weren't friends anymore over SASUKE! Orihime is just a kind girl who wants to help her friends and she trained in the Arrancar arc to help out until she encountered the Arrancar. I don't understand the Orihime hate at all. She grew to like Ichigo after everything that happened and was scared of him when he went Hollow. She just didn't want Ichigo to get hurt anymore as thats the reason she went with the Arrancars as they said they could easily kill her friends. Do they understand that the Show acknowledge that Orihime is a leader and not a fighter? In Naruto they try to hype Sakura as a legendary kunochi while she was a poor ninja and just a dumb bitch. |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
Erebus25 said: Why talk when everything relevant has already been said on the subject, and quite nicely at that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACq7tgjHdGA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74REUpOg2B4 YOU JUST DIDN'T LINK TO SUPER EYEPATCH WOLF! I PREDICTED SOMEONE WOULD DO THAT! Let me tell you that that video is one of the worst videos I had ever seen. He didn't prove shit and his reasons can be easily debunked. He repeats what the internet said and state shit that wasn't even apparent in the show itself. |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
| Well at least Naruto didn't end in 3 chapters...... |
ZionPulseOct 28, 2017 3:12 PM
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Halpher said: I don't understand the Orihime hate at all. In Naruto they try to hype Sakura as a legendary kunochi while she was a poor ninja and just a dumb bitch. Sensing a rather strong bias here... |
Halpher said: Erebus25 said: Why talk when everything relevant has already been said on the subject, and quite nicely at that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACq7tgjHdGA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74REUpOg2B4 YOU JUST DIDN'T LINK TO SUPER EYEPATCH WOLF! I PREDICTED SOMEONE WOULD DO THAT! Let me tell you that that video is one of the worst videos I had ever seen. He didn't prove shit and his reasons can be easily debunked. He repeats what the internet said and state shit that wasn't even apparent in the show itself. He proved a lot more things then you did. |
| both are utter shit but Bleach has better women and overall character design/art in general so it wins |
Paul said: Halpher said: I don't understand the Orihime hate at all. In Naruto they try to hype Sakura as a legendary kunochi while she was a poor ninja and just a dumb bitch. Sensing a rather strong bias here... Explain. Sakura is stronger than Orihime, but Orihime as a character is just better. I don't think Power = Character. I hate Sakura for her becoming a Ninja on her own free will and being useless and shitting on Naruto involving he doesn't have parents I hate her for attacking Naruto while not criticizing herself I hate her for going at Sasuke in the Forest of Death putting everything on him while she does nothing She got better in Part 2, but her character was still shit in terms that she loves a guy who never showed affection to her and neither did they have strong moments with each other She becomes a Tsunade Fangirl (but this isn't really a huge problem) She tries to fight Sasuke like everything is about her and knock out her friends IN THE FUCKING COLD! She couldn't go through with it and cried like a bitch. |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
Erebus25 said: Halpher said: YOU JUST DIDN'T LINK TO SUPER EYEPATCH WOLF! I PREDICTED SOMEONE WOULD DO THAT! Let me tell you that that video is one of the worst videos I had ever seen. He didn't prove shit and his reasons can be easily debunked. He repeats what the internet said and state shit that wasn't even apparent in the show itself. He proved a lot more things then you did. Like what? You do know his Rankings is BS because for one his entire video is him stating his opinion and not actually explaining why it failed. I can easily assume his audience is from the West and not from Japan because his rankings is BASED from Japan due to how Manga is distributed from here to there What Person in the West or anywhere except Japan was reading Bleach in 2005? Who was reading Bleach in 2001? DO you know JoJo was ranked #1 in 2004 yet no one in the West knew about JoJo? How are you going to use Japanese based Rankings to explain to the West why it went down in popularity WHEN IT'S RANKED BY CHAPTER AND NOT BY ARC!? it's ranked every 7 issues earlier so week 7's ranking is the ranking accumulated from Week 1 Eyepatch didn't do any research and just spoke out of his ass Literally if Bleach was on the front page then it wouldn't be ranked because Front Pages aren't usually ranked Add on to the fact when he said Bleach was being pushed back One issue was in 2006 with Ichigo pushed back and Bleach was in the top 3 Also many issues don't show the top shows in the front page all the time It's just bullshit after bullshit The Japanese Audience is something unknown to me |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
Halpher said: I don't understand the Orihime hate at all. In Naruto they try to hype Sakura as a legendary kunochi while she was a poor ninja and just a dumb bitch. They are both useless bitches lmao. About the anime: they have both weak and strong points. But Bleach wasn't going anywhere with the story and you know it. Just enjoy the great action scenes of both shounen and don't go in useless discussions over which one is better. Watch anime instead. |
  “If you live for yourself you’ve only got yourself to blame. So I can’t really blame anyone else and I don’t have any regrets.” list |
| The responses to this thread have me dying xD In Naruto everything the main character does is in pursuit of his goals and the story always moves forward towards these goals. Wether it is becoming hokage or saving sasuke. While in Bleach Ichigo doesn't really have anything to strive for. After each arc there is just a new bad guy that did something evil and Ichigo has to save the day. What's so good about Orihime's boring ass? at least Sakura has a personality(and I don't even particularly like her.) I like both series but I still think Naruto is the better shounen. |
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aliquae said: Halpher said: I don't understand the Orihime hate at all. In Naruto they try to hype Sakura as a legendary kunochi while she was a poor ninja and just a dumb bitch. They are both useless bitches lmao. About the anime: they have both weak and strong points. But Bleach wasn't going anywhere with the story and you know it. Just enjoy the great action scenes of both shounen and don't go in useless discussions over which one is better. Watch anime instead. Did you not read my OP? Do you not understand the intentions of this? So being Useless = Bad Character? Orihime IS A HEALER! SHE ISN'T A FIGHTER! Also Bleach was going somewhere. It's story wasn't that bad. Infact many things were foreshadowed and if they weren't properly retconned. Ichigo broke down because he couldn't protect his friends anymore after Ginjo lost his powers The Fullbring arc was more grounded than the previous arcs as it was less supernatural due to them not including Soul Reapers and the Soul Society and more focusing on Ichigo after the events that happened. Everyone turned on Ichigo in the series and people called it "Character Regression" So question? What would you do if your friends and family turned on you when you tell them that the guy right there tried to kill you and possibly his friends? What would you do if you lost your powers and you can't do anything about your friends and family because you are now powerless? Wouldn't you feel frustrated? When Ichigo got stabbed he looked at his father and literally had a sad look on his face. The Soul Society appreciated Ichigo and gave him his powers back because they understand the magnitude of his actions and the consequences of them and they show their appreciation to him by overlooking a violation and doing what Rukia did. Ginjo "erasing" his memories to fool Ichigo by Tsukishima power was actually smart because it explained the confusion Ginjo (Erased Memory) had when the Fullbringers his friends attacked him. It was a smart plot twist. Including how their powers weren't all about Power either and it had other things to it. But lets say Bleach wasn't going anywhere...even though in the Thousand Blood War arc Seeing how Old Man Zangestu and Bach looked similar connecting with his mom being a quincy was actually pretty interesting and how the Hollow always saved Ichigo and it was FORESHADOWED |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
| You know what's more mature? CGDCT. Now we're done here. |
| Both Naruto and Bleach are completely different concepts that suffer from the same problems... The escalation issue... They escalated the stakes or abilities to the point were it doesn't even closely resemble the beginning... It's all due to the authors trying to stay popular and keep the feeling of progression... But fail miserably... One Piece is the only long running shounen that doesn't suffer from this this One Piece is superior to both Naruto and Bleach... |
Katsuo_ said: The responses to this thread have me dying xD In Naruto everything the main character does is in pursuit of his goals and the story always moves forward towards these goals. Wether it is becoming hokage or saving sasuke. While in Bleach Ichigo doesn't really have anything to strive for. After each arc there is just a new bad guy that did something evil and Ichigo has to save the day. What's so good about Orihime's boring ass? at least Sakura has a personality(and I don't even particularly like her.) I like both series but I still think Naruto is the better shounen. I heard that argument all the time. Having a Goal doesn't equate to shit. It's all about characterization. AIZEN EVEN POINTED OUT how Ichigo is fighting him out of sheer responsibility. Naruto's peace BS was stupid, but since he had a Goal for some reason that is Depth? Instead of the context of it? Ichigo not having a goal is realistic as literally not many know what they want to do in life AND ICHIGO MOST OF THE TIME NEVER SAVED THE DAY! HE GOT HIS ASS BEAT MOST OF THE TIME! Kisuke saved the Day when Aizen was an issue Ichigo just damaged him enough and Aizen was evolving while Ichigo lost all his power and had to endure being powerless But he is the "Savior" am I right? Ichigo helped people because thats the person he just is. In the beginning of Bleach he was helping people out before he was a Soul Reaper Nothing changed thats the person he is Karakura town was going to get destroyed and Bleach had Aizen be the Main Antagonist for 2 Arcs...literally..... Ulqoirra understanding humans (I can't spell his name) Harribel trying to survive Barrigan being the king of Hueco Mundo Stark and his loneliness I question how Naruto's goal actually help him? He was so focused on Sasuke unreasonably that literally when Danzo issued an order for Sasuke everyone was shocked despite Sasuke BEING A FUCKING ROGUE NINJA! Naruto after Part 1 didn't do shit to become Hokage He became Sasuke Obssessed |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
Darek said: I didn't read all of it since I did not watch bleach and only watched a bit of naruto... But from what I've read I can say this: in my humble superior opinion. None of those prove anything, they can all be summed up in: "Bleach does think differently, but it just so happen that I like this different more so it is obviously better." In other words, those are non-criticisms, pure complaints and so on that do not amount to much, sorry, not sorry And you have poorly misrepresented me here. in the OP I literally said "This is all opinionated and how you feel. I want people to perfectly understand that neither series is better objectively and it's all on how you feel about each series. You can think Bleach is garbage and I will respect your opinion as maybe Naruto just appealed and did things better for you." |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
Whats CGDCT? Just going to keep typing until my character count is 30 |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
You don't know what CGDCT is? Eww, what a pleb. Only a filthy casual would dare spout such stupid nonsense as this. |
Halpher said: So being Useless = Bad Character? Orihime IS A HEALER! SHE ISN'T A FIGHTER! Also Bleach was going somewhere. I don't say that being useless makes a bad character. No development makes a bad character. Whining about being weak without actually doing anything makes a bad character. Not contributing anything to the story but just being there for senpai makes a bad character. I never said that. The action scenes where nice. The story was decent. I just said that the story wasn't going anywhere. Can you name the endgoal of the story? In Naruto it was becoming Hokage. In One Peace it is becoming the pirate king. In Hunter x Hunter it is finding Ging. In Bleach it is just about protecting friends, with no end in sight. And that is exactly why it ended. That being said, I did enjoy Bleach, I just don't think it is a superior manga or something. Halpher said: What would you do if your friends and family turned on you when you tell them that the guy right there tried to kill you and possibly his friends? What would you do if you lost your powers and you can't do anything about your friends and family because you are now powerless? Wouldn't you feel frustrated? That is irrelevant to this discussion. Point of the story: Bleach has its problems. So does Naruto. Get over it. |
“If you live for yourself you’ve only got yourself to blame. So I can’t really blame anyone else and I don’t have any regrets.” list |
Darek said: I didn't read all of it since I did not watch bleach and only watched a bit of naruto... But from what I've read I can say this: in my humble superior opinion. None of those prove anything, they can all be summed up in: "Bleach does think differently, but it just so happen that I like this different more so it is obviously better." In other words, those are non-criticisms, pure complaints and so on that do not amount to much, sorry, not sorry Also...there is no such things as criticism if you think subjectivity negates my opinion What you think is a flaw is literally dependent on you. If you think what I think is a Non-Criticism despite me criticizing the qualities and execution of Naruto and comparing it I didn't even talk 50% of why I think Bleach > Naruto I could go into how the Sand had 6 Days to save Gaara and simply were too incompetent and how the Leaf knew the Akatsuki could attack the Leaf and Tsuande didn't do jack shit to prepare or improve the Village's defenses I talked about how poor Naruto's behavior was and Naruto didn't do shit in the 1st mission except recklessly chasing Deidera while Kakashi tries to save him He goes 3 Tails when Orochimaru mentions Sasuke Naruto is a reckless Ninja who makes poor and reckless decisions He put Sakura at risk SHE COULD'VE DIED THAT MISSION Kakashi could've died if he didn't stop Naruto from going 3-4 Tails. Jiraya should've taught him Sage Mode for the 2 1/2 years knowing the Akatsuki are chasing him Literally the Leaf and Sand should've made an Anti-Akatsuki Alliance after they attacked the Sand and if both villages put their full attention on the Akatsuki and Tsunade didn't let Team Asuma GO ALONE! Shit would've better Naruto isn't really deep and I appreciate Naruto for what it did for my childhood, but I won't be biased and suck the shit out of it. |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
Darek said: Halpher said: It being an opinion does not mean much if you want me to be honest with you. I can be of opinion that Hitler was a good person and that would not mean much. I know this is an extreme example but it is true, when you say that A did something better than B I would expect there to be a reason why A would be better and not just different.And you have poorly misrepresented me here. in the OP I literally said "This is all opinionated and how you feel. I want people to perfectly understand that neither series is better objectively and it's all on how you feel about each series. You can think Bleach is garbage and I will respect your opinion as maybe Naruto just appealed and did things better for you." If you are talking simply about liking it more and not about quality than I don't know why is there a ">" in the title... .....because I think Bleach is better....literally...why would you like something more when you think it's worse? Typically if you like something more than something else you normally think that it's better. |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
| Preach, my man. xD I like Bleach way better and your thread made my day haha. And I don't think Naruto is that bad. But yeah, Bleach forever. And it sucks the manga ended the way it has. Plus, sorry, not sorry, but I don't like Orihime. She is useless. And nothing will change my opinion. Ever. Spread the bleach love. <3 |
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aliquae said: Halpher said: So being Useless = Bad Character? Orihime IS A HEALER! SHE ISN'T A FIGHTER! Also Bleach was going somewhere. I don't say that being useless makes a bad character. No development makes a bad character. Whining about being weak without actually doing anything makes a bad character. Not contributing anything to the story but just being there for senpai makes a bad character. I never said that. The action scenes where nice. The story was decent. I just said that the story wasn't going anywhere. Can you name the endgoal of the story? In Naruto it was becoming Hokage. In One Peace it is becoming the pirate king. In Hunter x Hunter it is finding Ging. In Bleach it is just about protecting friends, with no end in sight. And that is exactly why it ended. That being said, I did enjoy Bleach, I just don't think it is a superior manga or something. Halpher said: What would you do if your friends and family turned on you when you tell them that the guy right there tried to kill you and possibly his friends? What would you do if you lost your powers and you can't do anything about your friends and family because you are now powerless? Wouldn't you feel frustrated? That is irrelevant to this discussion. Point of the story: Bleach has its problems. So does Naruto. Get over it. I never said Bleach didn't have problems I know it does. Also No Development = BAD Character? Development is overrated. Development should happen in a reasonable manner and not a forced one to force in "Depth". If one character stays the same in a manner of intentions and what they want to do then thats not a problem as it depends on the context. If a character learns new ways to fight or learns by experience that isn't even included in "Development" People want characters to change for the sake of it instead of The Character doing it naturally. Also HXH is my Favorite Anime of All-Time They already found Ging.....why isn't it over yet? Explain that. Also you think having a goal = story? I heard this so many times that I feel no one understands what a story is anymore. Ichigo doesn't need a goal like that as I bet people would complain it's generic. Guts from Berserk didn't have a Goal He was making money Samurai Champloo Mugen didn't have a goal Joestars don't have goals that relate to the plot. Look at Jotaro? Goals doesn't equal story.... Ichigo and his friends want to rescue Rukia is a goal and it's the story Aizen trying to destroy Kakura Town to get to Squad 0 and Soul King is the story The main-character never needs a goal to have a story You can have a king who wants to destroy the world and people want to stop him BAM thats the story The main-character doesn't have to become the King Many stories and folklore have Legends who wander with no Goal |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
SeidouTZ said: I appreciate the level of thought you put in this post, but aren't you giving Bleach too much credit? I mean dont get me wrong i would take bleach over naruto any day of the week, but then again i feel like you are overlooking a lot of the issues the former one has, just so your claim may seem more valid. Bleach was interesting and fun in the first arcs yes, but then it slowly decended into the realms of boredom with Kubo seemly not knowing fully well what he wanted to do with his story. Characters become nothing more then empty background, battles that get constatly off-paneled, Deus ex machina to resolve everything, plot point that never get fully addressed, and so on.. Despite all that is Bleach better then Naruto? Probably but not by a long margin. I felt like it was getting too long. Now I do think Bleach has issues and I'm not trying to act like it's a masterpiece. Bleach isn't one of my favorite series and it doesn't have to be. Which battle got off-screened? What character became an empty background? What Deus EX Machina? What Plot points weren't addressed? Infact I thought the Soul Society Arc wasn't even as interesting as the Arrancar arc I thought the District parts were extremely boring for me I though the very 1st arc wasn't full of great action and it was slow, but later it got better for me. |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
SeidouTZ said: I appreciate the level of thought you put in this post, but aren't you giving Bleach too much credit? I mean dont get me wrong i would take bleach over naruto any day of the week, but then again i feel like you are overlooking a lot of the issues the former one has, just so your claim may seem more valid. Bleach was interesting and fun in the first arcs yes, but then it slowly decended into the realms of boredom with Kubo seemly not knowing fully well what he wanted to do with his story. Characters become nothing more then empty background, battles that get constatly off-paneled, Deus ex machina to resolve everything, plot point that never get fully addressed, and so on.. Despite all that is Bleach better then Naruto? Probably but not by a long margin. Also I think Bleach is better than Naruto by a large margin. Trust me Naruto did alot of stupid Bullsh*t that no one ever points out Like how the 3rd Hokage sent a ninja to his death (Neji's father) Like how Danzo was never there in Part 1....... Like how Shikamaru brings Ino and Choji to fight Hidan and Kakazu and the series wants to act like he is a genius despite him knowing he knew nothing about Kakazu The Sand Village not even helping Gaara and not chasing down Deidera and them somehow getting to Gaara in less than 3 Days The fact everyone believed in Naruto despite them having way more experience and more knowledge than him The fact Naruto never fully resolved the "Peace" plot point it established The Fact Kakashi thought Naruto-Sasuke-Sakura were ready even though they have only did 1 serious mission and in that Mission Sakura was useless Naruto was an idiot and Sasuke almost died Instead of building their teamwork and qualities he told Hokage "Yep they're ready" Might Gai > Kakashi any fucking day And Kakashi is the worst teacher He showed favoritism and never prepared them for shit His test is literally "If you 2 give the tied up one food you pass" When in the ninja world it's more if you're qualified as Sasuke was qualified and Kakashi told him to work together with 2 ppl he just got paired with Naruto ain't want to work with him and Sakura was thinking about Sasuke Sasuke again had to deal with these 2 and the Academy IS SHIT! Why are Genin unqualified? The Academy should've taught them to walk on water and walk on a tree and all this shit that they were being taught as Genin WHEN THEY WERE ALREADY NINJA! They are ninja who don't know the basic fundamentals of a ninja. Chakra Nature? Tell Naruto only after 3 years of graduating from the Academy.... Kiba is irrelevant Shino is irrelevant Hinata is irrelevant until the Pain Arc then becomes irrelevant again until the War Neji was irrelevant Lee was irrelevant I never ever said any Soul Reaper from Bleach was ever useless as a bitch Ichigo's friends aren't that strong, but except Uryu we had Orihime and Sado who knew absolutely nothing about their powers and others who knew nothing about their powers...for a long time yet we act like they had a choice? Sakura and the others could've picked up a book and trained and become strong Look at Madara....he picked up a fucking book and became OP |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
| Lol im just waiting for somebody to link Super eyepatch bullshit video, the funniest part of the video is how Kubos art got worse and how the "Soul Society and Arrancar arc are the same shit" haha fucking sheep |
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Darek said: @Halpher Also...there is no such things as criticism if you think subjectivity negates my opinion First of all, stop with the objectivity vs subjectivity crap, it is irrelevant to anything right now. Whether you wanna call being logical and unbiased "objective" or not, matters not. I used to be against the idea of objectivity before myself, and since I was wrong once I am not gonna talk about the subject before I properly learn about it myself. Woukd advise you to do the same. For now, drop the idea of subjectivity and objectivity.What you think is a flaw is literally dependent on you. Not exactly, I may "think" something is a flaw, that does not mean that it is. A flaw and a personal issue are ywo seperate thigs, I dislike love triangles and I do not consider a love triangle to be a flaw just because. It is MY personal issue BUT that does not make the show worse.If you think what I think is a Non-Criticism despite me criticizing the qualities and execution of Naruto and comparing it If only most of what you mentioned below were criticisms and not... Well complaints. Well then, let me explain.I could go into how the Sand had 6 Days to save Gaara and simply were too incompetent and how the Leaf knew the Akatsuki could attack the Leaf and Tsuande didn't do jack shit to prepare or improve the Village's defenses He did not save him, that is it? Well this is a little bit vague but all I see is a complaint, just like people who complain about "whiny MCs" and try to pass it off as a criticism. No, no, no, no, no, was there any proper reason why he did not save him other that he as a character was not able to?The second well... I cannot say exactly without the knowledge of the material as I said it previously, I did not watch all of naruto. But it does not seem like that much either, I mean he did not do it, okay. Did he not do it because of his own reasoning that ties to his character? Or did he not do it so that the plot coukd flow the way the author wanted? There is a difference between the two. One is a character being a character, not a flaw at all. And the other is a flaw, it is what we call plot convienience. I talked about how poor Naruto's behavior was and Naruto didn't do shit in the 1st mission except recklessly chasing Deidera while Kakashi tries to save him Same as above...He goes 3 Tails when Orochimaru mentions Sasuke Naruto is a reckless Ninja who makes poor and reckless decisions He put Sakura at risk SHE COULD'VE DIED THAT MISSION Kakashi could've died if he didn't stop Naruto from going 3-4 Tails. Jiraya should've taught him Sage Mode for the 2 1/2 years knowing the Akatsuki are chasing him Literally the Leaf and Sand should've made an Anti-Akatsuki Alliance after they attacked the Sand and if both villages put their full attention on the Akatsuki and Tsunade didn't let Team Asuma GO ALONE! Shit would've better .....because I think Bleach is better....literally...why would you like something more when you think it's worse? That is not how it works.Typically if you like something more than something else you normally think that it's better. You can like something and recognise its flaws. I like To-LOVE-Ru and I would not really call that one a masterpiece. So Ra No Wo To is one of my most cherished and beloved favorites but it is far from being the best of the best, it has quitr a few flaws and the ending could've been a lot better. Though I kinda liked the ending, I recognise that it is flawed in many ways and possibly a bit rushed. I don't like Akira all that much but I am not gonna say it is bad, it isn't. Same goes for some love triangles that I did not like. You can like Mars of Destruction but saying it is good is plain stupid. Is it so hard on people's ego to admit that the things they like may not be all that good? Or that the things they dislike are not always bad? Subjectivity and Objectivity aren't even hard concepts to understand.....literally. Subjectivity is an opinion while Objectivity is factual. If I said Naruto kissed Sasuke then that would be a fact, but if I said that was good or bad for the series thats a opinion. For gods sake I ain't dropping it because it's literally the point. I think it's a flaw for my reasons of why it is and you want to ignore how one perceives a certain thing. You literally said "What you think is a flaw doesn't mean it is" So if I think putting ketchup on eggs is a flaw to a means of how it affects it's flavor i'm wrong because "Personal Issue"? DO you not realize you are saying the same thing as me except you're rejecting the idea that ones personal issue with something is their opinion that it affects the viewership of the show? Seriously stop.. and you say you can like something and acknowledge it's flaws.....why did you say that? What...you think I think Bleach is some sort of flawless series? I criticize shows I like all the god damn time and I can still love the show. "He did not save him, that is it? Well this is a little bit vague but all I see is a complaint, just like people who complain about "whiny MCs" and try to pass it off as a criticism. No, no, no, no, no, was there any proper reason why he did not save him other that he as a character was not able to? The second well... I cannot say exactly without the knowledge of the material as I said it previously, I did not watch all of naruto. But it does not seem like that much either, I mean he did not do it, okay. Did he not do it because of his own reasoning that ties to his character? Or did he not do it so that the plot coukd flow the way the author wanted? There is a difference between the two. One is a character being a character, not a flaw at all. And the other is a flaw, it is what we call plot convienience." You were being skeptical...and thats fine, but just because you don't agree with me doesn't debunk or mean I am wrong as thats the tone I feel you've been going with. You feel you can't come to a conclusion yet, but consider my possible experience...also I slowly see you not dictating what a flaw is and that is pissing me off because again It is subjective Some people don't care about certain things like other people do...I don't care what you think is a flaw as I can possibly find it a merit. It's all dependent on the person like I said. Also people can find "Whiny MCs" as a flaw if it harms their experience because the point of entertainment is to ENTERTAIN you.....for gods sake it's simple as saying you like Chocolate while someone else thinks Chocolate is nasty or one can be allergic to water while another can gain health benefits to it while thats on the scientific side and facts about your body this is literally personal preference Just because you don't understand the concept doesn't mean I don't. I don't care if you don't understand as that doesn't dictate if I don't.... If you don't know about what I am saying then leave it there and say "I don't know if any of this is true" Also literally the Sand Village is not a "Character" it's a village comprised of ninja Naruto wants to act like it's deep from my experience, but it's stupid Naruto the character ain't do shit when we got to Deidera and recklessly charged at Deidera |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
| The VA for Orihime had a pretty easy job it seems. On a more serious note did anyone even die in Bleach, aside from like the villains? I'm not saying death is a necessary plot device, just look at One Piece. However, Naruto kills off its characters and it actually means something, typically developing other characters throughout the series. |
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SeidouTZ said: Halpher said: I felt like it was getting too long. Now I do think Bleach has issues and I'm not trying to act like it's a masterpiece. Bleach isn't one of my favorite series and it doesn't have to be. Which battle got off-screened? What character became an empty background? What Deus EX Machina? What Plot points weren't addressed? Infact I thought the Soul Society Arc wasn't even as interesting as the Arrancar arc I thought the District parts were extremely boring for me I though the very 1st arc wasn't full of great action and it was slow, but later it got better for me. > The last manga arc is filled with off-screen battles. As for the anime you have the best case with Yammy vs Byakuya and Kenpachi. > Orihime was suppose to play a big role in Hueco Mundo, yet she didnt; Uryu in his own arc rarely appears; Chat character become almost non existent. And i am just speaking of the main cast here. > The way both Aizen and Yhwach (more so with Yhwach) were defeated, were complete asspulls. > I really dont want to list the whole thing so you are free to look it up. How so? Soul Society Arc did a brilliant job fleshing out all the captains and vice captains. And Kubo did briliant job with the whole world building. With the Arrancar arc on the other hand the world felt empty. Not to mention that apart from Ulquiorra, Grimmjow and Halibel all the other arrancars were for the most part uninteresting. Soul Society Arc didn't flesh Ikkau....it didn't flesh out Kira...It didn't flesh out Yumichika...It didn't flesh out Miyuri Soul Society with it's world building? What world building? I found alot of things in the Soul Society Arc uninteresting and boring as pertains to the beginning I found that it got more interesting as Aizen and other Captains had their own conflict apart from Saving Rukia. There was like 3 Plots going on Who Killed Aizen Saving Rukia and....I forgot the 3rd one.... Szayelaporro I found Miyuri's philosophy in the Arrancar arc interesting as it responded to Szayelaporro stating that he was perfect while Miyuri said nothing is perfect and thats why as Scientist thats we continue to learn. It really revealed more about his ideology. Orihime was supposed to be what in the Hueco Mundo arc? She was the reason Ichigo was even alive when Ulquiorra killed him.... Also they didn't even focus on that anymore after Ichigo fought Ulquiorra... They focused on the Captains in Karakura town. I will agree they off-screened Ikkau's fight Now I haven't finished the final arc and I was pissed when Gremy ain't kill Kenpachi with his "Imagination is my power" and I was like "You better imagine Kenpachi as a little bitch" NO excuse if you lose.... Grimjow was nowhere to be seen and that was an issue for me to be honest with you He just got sliced by Ichigo at that time..... I found some Bankai's impractical But Orihime not "Doing anything" didn't piss me off because SHE IS LITERALLY A HEALER! What could Orihime do? I seriously need to know...Aizen took away the Soul Reapers...BEST Healer besides Unohana and that was huge for the Arrancars as literally her healer power rejects Phenomenon What ass-pull could Kubo do to make Orihime powerful? |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
CHAMPIONOFDEATH said: The VA for Orihime had a pretty easy job it seems. On a more serious note did anyone even die in Bleach, aside from like the villains? I'm not saying death is a necessary plot device, just look at One Piece. However, Naruto kills off its characters and it actually means something, typically developing other characters throughout the series. No.....I disagree there. Now from where I am at...and before i tell you download "Mangabook" on your phone. It is a great app that makes reading manga easier with no popups occuring when you go to another page. It also bookmarks where you stopped so you know where you stopped at. (There is a small ad on the bottom, but it's not big deal really) Thats what I was using to read Bleach. Bleach characters did die from where I was Yamamoto did die His Vice Captain died Hitsugaya died Rangiku died Rojuro Otoribashi Dead Unohana Dead Look what happened to Kira  And Naruto literally has characters it never developed or build up like Asuma and they killed him off and in the Manga Kishi never wrote the "Shikamaru Shippuden" stuff it was ALL FILLER! Neji died and Neji was irrelevant for a long ass time They could've killed Kiba and I wouldn't have cared and Jiraya died because he was an idiot From where I was on Bleach |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
| This is going to be xx vs yy thread. One Piece > Naruto btw. :p |
CHAMPIONOFDEATH said: The VA for Orihime had a pretty easy job it seems. On a more serious note did anyone even die in Bleach, aside from like the villains? I'm not saying death is a necessary plot device, just look at One Piece. However, Naruto kills off its characters and it actually means something, typically developing other characters throughout the series. Also I love the nitpick on Orihime Orihime had alot of shit that everyone ignores such as how her feelings for Ichigo was actually legitimate and Ichigo helped her out and she appreciates Ichigo for all he has done for her and all she wants is to return the favor. Ichigo gave her brother the guy who literally raised her peace....yeah.....he gave her brother peace and saved her from being killed by him Orihime was abused by a hating ass bitch and still healed them Orihime had to protect her high school friends |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
| even so Chitogue's fucking better than Onodera , I don't care if Ichigo loves Renji Chitogue's better , man , and you've got to deal with it! |
Darek said: That is not how it works. You can like something and recognise its flaws. I like To-LOVE-Ru and I would not really call that one a masterpiece. So Ra No Wo To is one of my most cherished and beloved favorites but it is far from being the best of the best, it has quitr a few flaws and the ending could've been a lot better. Though I kinda liked the ending, I recognise that it is flawed in many ways and possibly a bit rushed. I don't like Akira all that much but I am not gonna say it is bad, it isn't. Same goes for some love triangles that I did not like. You can like Mars of Destruction but saying it is good is plain stupid. Is it so hard on people's ego to admit that the things they like may not be all that good? Or that the things they dislike are not always bad? Yeah. There's a frequent issue of current standards set by a consensus being unwilling to acknowledge something as "good" because they try to be too broad and all-encompassing while being simultaneously narrow, rather than acknowledging the strengths something could have that falls out of that same checklist that's often haphazardly and thoughtlessly applied to everything. 'Course, it's usually just an issue of people blindly following somebody who can namedrop a few authors rather than looking into these things themselves that create such an environment where people hide behind subjectivity. People do things too easily - be it hiding behind taste as an argument or just following whoever they deem to be a good orator with little actual insight or effort put into understanding whatever the given subject matter is. Nobody is ever going to convince anybody of anything so long as that's the case. People aren't just going to listen to you because you're claiming to separate enjoyment and quality and name off some series you like that you don't think are critically good but you loved, or name off some critically acclaimed series you didn't think much of. It's nothing in the form of being an actual argument, so why you're treating people not doing the same as you as being a matter of fragile ego here is beyond me. Actually. Try. To. Be. Convincing. With. Your. Arguments. For. This. Please. The real question doesn't really need to be "does it have/not have this," but "how does this benefit/subtract from the product in question?" Which usually isn't what people are asking, which in turn leads to questioning and fights over the idea of what can be considered "good." The former is still being biased as shit, and that's usually the brand of objectivity that's argued for on this website. Of course people aren't going to want to listen to that nonsense, and it seems rather obvious that trying to hamfist people into calling things they like bad just by treating it as a matter of a fragile ego like you're doing here is going to accomplish fuck all. I don't know why things like this seem to be a recurring theme in this discussion of "enjoyment versus quality" but what's even more baffling to me is that people think that it often comes across as treating the idea of what could be considered "good" as being unquestionable. You don't like Akira, but you say it's good. Have you actually dug your fingers into it and tried to understand why you'd call it good, Darek? If so, can I have an explanation? Or do you really, honestly think that something like TLR would've benefited much from a thematic narrative or societal commentary or just any brand of intellectual weight or depth, without changing the identity of the series itself into something entirely different just to fit this mold of what people are willing to call "good?" Whenever the actual quality of something is being put in jeopardy due to loud criticisms brought forth by shortcomings of the consensus what can fairly be considered "good," then standing up against what the consensus says is considered "good" should be encouraged, not just dismissed by treating quality as an inflexible, concrete formula in the sort of regards you seem to talk about in the bottom half of your post. |
ManabanOct 28, 2017 5:02 PM
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Halpher said: CHAMPIONOFDEATH said: The VA for Orihime had a pretty easy job it seems. On a more serious note did anyone even die in Bleach, aside from like the villains? I'm not saying death is a necessary plot device, just look at One Piece. However, Naruto kills off its characters and it actually means something, typically developing other characters throughout the series. Also I love the nitpick on Orihime Orihime had alot of shit that everyone ignores such as how her feelings for Ichigo was actually legitimate and Ichigo helped her out and she appreciates Ichigo for all he has done for her and all she wants is to return the favor. Ichigo gave her brother the guy who literally raised her peace....yeah.....he gave her brother peace and saved her from being killed by him Orihime was abused by a hating ass bitch and still healed them Orihime had to protect her high school friends Oh? So you can sit on this thread and nitpick Naruto but when someone does it to your precious Orihime, it isn't okay? |
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Halpher said: CHAMPIONOFDEATH said: The VA for Orihime had a pretty easy job it seems. On a more serious note did anyone even die in Bleach, aside from like the villains? I'm not saying death is a necessary plot device, just look at One Piece. However, Naruto kills off its characters and it actually means something, typically developing other characters throughout the series. No.....I disagree there. Now from where I am at...and before i tell you download "Mangabook" on your phone. It is a great app that makes reading manga easier with no popups occuring when you go to another page. It also bookmarks where you stopped so you know where you stopped at. (There is a small ad on the bottom, but it's not big deal really) Thats what I was using to read Bleach. Bleach characters did die from where I was Yamamoto did die His Vice Captain died Hitsugaya died Rangiku died Rojuro Otoribashi Dead Unohana Dead Look what happened to Kira And Naruto literally has characters it never developed or build up like Asuma and they killed him off and in the Manga Kishi never wrote the "Shikamaru Shippuden" stuff it was ALL FILLER! Neji died and Neji was irrelevant for a long ass time They could've killed Kiba and I wouldn't have cared and Jiraya died because he was an idiot From where I was on Bleach You should actually finish Bleach before talking about this because |
AeroheartOct 28, 2017 4:54 PM
CHAMPIONOFDEATH said: Halpher said: Also I love the nitpick on Orihime Orihime had alot of shit that everyone ignores such as how her feelings for Ichigo was actually legitimate and Ichigo helped her out and she appreciates Ichigo for all he has done for her and all she wants is to return the favor. Ichigo gave her brother the guy who literally raised her peace....yeah.....he gave her brother peace and saved her from being killed by him Orihime was abused by a hating ass bitch and still healed them Orihime had to protect her high school friends Oh? So you can sit on this thread and nitpick Naruto but when someone does it to your precious Orihime, it isn't okay? I didn’t know pointing out how poor he performs on mission compared to Orihime yelling Kurosaki kun with no context at all to why she does so. Orihime isn’t even precious to me. Also me nitpicking Naruto is me stating he yells Sasuke, but do you see me doing that? I brung up Sai, Leaf Village Shanegans and how bad the academy is And how Sasuke and Naruto’s friendship isn’t even strong and only an illusion You don’t address that ever, but come with a Orihime yelling “Kurosaki-Kun” compilation. Get out of my face with that. |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
Pyro said: Halpher said: No.....I disagree there. Now from where I am at...and before i tell you download "Mangabook" on your phone. It is a great app that makes reading manga easier with no popups occuring when you go to another page. It also bookmarks where you stopped so you know where you stopped at. (There is a small ad on the bottom, but it's not big deal really) Thats what I was using to read Bleach. Bleach characters did die from where I was Yamamoto did die His Vice Captain died Hitsugaya died Rangiku died Rojuro Otoribashi Dead Unohana Dead Look what happened to Kira And Naruto literally has characters it never developed or build up like Asuma and they killed him off and in the Manga Kishi never wrote the "Shikamaru Shippuden" stuff it was ALL FILLER! Neji died and Neji was irrelevant for a long ass time They could've killed Kiba and I wouldn't have cared and Jiraya died because he was an idiot From where I was on Bleach You should actually finish Bleach before talking about this because Pyro said: Halpher said: No.....I disagree there. Now from where I am at...and before i tell you download "Mangabook" on your phone. It is a great app that makes reading manga easier with no popups occuring when you go to another page. It also bookmarks where you stopped so you know where you stopped at. (There is a small ad on the bottom, but it's not big deal really) Thats what I was using to read Bleach. Bleach characters did die from where I was Yamamoto did die His Vice Captain died Hitsugaya died Rangiku died Rojuro Otoribashi Dead Unohana Dead Look what happened to Kira And Naruto literally has characters it never developed or build up like Asuma and they killed him off and in the Manga Kishi never wrote the "Shikamaru Shippuden" stuff it was ALL FILLER! Neji died and Neji was irrelevant for a long ass time They could've killed Kiba and I wouldn't have cared and Jiraya died because he was an idiot From where I was on Bleach You should actually finish Bleach before talking about this because Fuck..,.how were they revived? That is a huge let down. |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
| what a load of crap. Is there a character in bleach that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha? Let alone defeat him. And I’m not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I’m not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I’m not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano’o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu.Spoiler I’m also not talking about Kono Yo no Kyūseishu Futarime no Rikudō Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (which is capable of Enton Amaterasu, Izanagi, Izanami and the Tsyukuyomi Genjutsu), his two original Rinnegan (which grant him Chikushōdō, Shuradō, Tendō, Ningendō, Jigokudō, Gakidō, Gedō, Banshō Ten’in, Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Tengai Shinsei and Banbutsu Sōzō) and a third Tomoe Rinnegan on his forehead, capable of using Katon, Fūton, Raiton, Doton, Suiton, Mokuton, Ranton, Inton, Yōton and even Onmyōton Jutsu, equipped with his Gunbai(capable of using Uchihagaeshi) and a Shakujō because he is a master in kenjutsu and taijutsu, a perfect Susano’o (that can use Yasaka no Magatama ), control of both the Juubi and the Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA and face implanted on his chest, his four Rinbo Hengoku Clones guarding him and nine Gudōdama floating behind him AFTER he absorbed Senjutsu from the First Hokage, entered Rikudō Senjutsu Mode, cast Mugen Tsukuyomi on everybody and used Shin: Jukai Kōtan so he can use their Chakra while they are under Genjutsu. I’m definitely NOT Talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Super Saiyan 4 Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after Alucard, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu and having eaten Popeye’s spinach. I’m talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Legendary Super Saiyan 4 Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with his Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after having absorbed Alucard as well as a God Hand, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit, with Kryptonian DNA implanted in him and having eaten Popeye’s spinach while possessing quantum powers like Dr. Manhattan and having mastered Hokuto Shinken. |
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