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Was the "magical high-school" trope started by Harry Potter or is there something that precedes it?

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Sep 12, 5:08 PM
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Regarding animanga, IIRC it started/was popularized by Zero no Tsukaima, but was there something before it?
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There is a show that came out based on a western (not sure which region) kids book and that book pre-dates Harry Potter but Harry Potter popularised the trope. There may be others it's just the one that comes to mind i came across.

I forget the name. Littlest Witch or something else. Something witch. I know it's something else but like anything I forget and try to remember i always remember the title as something else. Not as bad as the Warframe, War Thunder and others complications but close enough to what I mean of forgetting the correct title.

Looked it up Worst Witch I think it is. Sounds more like it.

Random magic school search: "magic school books that pre date harry potter" (sigh DuckDuckGo and no URL for it just the search result)

It was on Netflix the tv show about 2 or more years ago I think, so if you can find that you'll get on to what it is. If it's still there. I can't remember if it's an original either.

It has a girl that goes to the school, learns magic, tough head master and such. It does have it's own goals with it then the direction Harry Potter went of a family death and the villain and all that it's not as dark I think.

But yes things like Zero No Tsukaima, Bastard Instructor, Magic Warfare, etc. all were inspired by Harry Potter. Harry Potter made a big splash in Japan.

In the west you have others inspired/go their own direction like Nevermore and others that are good quality, or vary.

Like the comment below they have more good examples of many 50s/60s/70s literature that makes sense. My knowledge is limited, I haven't looked that deep into them as others have or grown up with them/looked in the right places.
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Here are some notable examples of the magic school trope before Harry Potter:

The Worst Witch (1974) by Jill Murphy: This book features a young witch named Mildred Hubble who attends a magical academy called Cackle's Academy.

A Wizard of Earthsea (1968) by Ursula K. Le Guin: The story includes a school for wizards, Roke, where young mages learn about their powers.

The Magician's Nephew (1955) by C.S. Lewis: While not focused entirely on a magic school, it contains elements of magical education and mentorship.

The Enchanted Forest Chronicles (1985-1990) by Patricia C. Wrede: This series features various magical beings and includes schools of magic.

The Chronicles of Prydain (1964-1968) by Lloyd Alexander: This series has elements of magic and mentorship, though it doesn't focus solely on a school.

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There are prior examples if you look for them but Harry Potter was far more important than any of them. Though Harry Potter itself is heavily derivative of a much older genre of British boarding school stories that had fallen out of fashion long ago, notably Tom Brown's School Days. Funny to think about the clear chain of influence from the fictionalized memoirs of a moderately important Victorian politician to Harry Potter to Zero no Tsukaima to the vending machine isekai but it's there
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Here are some notable examples of the magic school trope before Harry Potter:

The Worst Witch (1974) by Jill Murphy: This book features a young witch named Mildred Hubble who attends a magical academy called Cackle's Academy.

A Wizard of Earthsea (1968) by Ursula K. Le Guin: The story includes a school for wizards, Roke, where young mages learn about their powers.

The Magician's Nephew (1955) by C.S. Lewis: While not focused entirely on a magic school, it contains elements of magical education and mentorship.

The Enchanted Forest Chronicles (1985-1990) by Patricia C. Wrede: This series features various magical beings and includes schools of magic.

The Chronicles of Prydain (1964-1968) by Lloyd Alexander: This series has elements of magic and mentorship, though it doesn't focus solely on a school.

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Sep 12, 6:07 PM
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Here are some notable examples of the magic school trope before Harry Potter:

The Worst Witch (1974) by Jill Murphy: This book features a young witch named Mildred Hubble who attends a magical academy called Cackle's Academy.

A Wizard of Earthsea (1968) by Ursula K. Le Guin: The story includes a school for wizards, Roke, where young mages learn about their powers.

The Magician's Nephew (1955) by C.S. Lewis: While not focused entirely on a magic school, it contains elements of magical education and mentorship.

The Enchanted Forest Chronicles (1985-1990) by Patricia C. Wrede: This series features various magical beings and includes schools of magic.

The Chronicles of Prydain (1964-1968) by Lloyd Alexander: This series has elements of magic and mentorship, though it doesn't focus solely on a school.

tchitchouan said:
The Magician's Nephew (1955) by C.S. Lewis: While not focused entirely on a magic school, it contains elements of magical education and mentorship.

tchitchouan said:
The Chronicles of Prydain (1964-1968) by Lloyd Alexander: This series has elements of magic and mentorship, though it doesn't focus solely on a school.

I've read both these books and I think your descriptors are awful.
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tchitchouan said:
The Magician's Nephew (1955) by C.S. Lewis: While not focused entirely on a magic school, it contains elements of magical education and mentorship.

tchitchouan said:
The Chronicles of Prydain (1964-1968) by Lloyd Alexander: This series has elements of magic and mentorship, though it doesn't focus solely on a school.

I've read both these books and I think your descriptors are awful.
@Lucifrost The descriptions aren't mine, i copied them directly from here https://www.quora.com/Was-the-magic-school-trope-around-before-Harry-Potter-I-like-some-media-with-this-idea-and-I-m-worried-that-once-I-share-that-people-will-immediately-say-that-s-a-Harry-Potter-knockoff-when-the-trope-preceded-that

I don't even know nor have i read any of those books.
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Am I such an old-fashioned man for preferring simply asking people directly?
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Am I such an old-fashioned man for preferring simply asking people directly?
@thewiru No not necessarily, quite the opposite in fact. But checking for answers posted online first would be quite useful before asking people directly.
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Svartiskóli from Sæmundr fróði a Islandic legend from 11th century. Europe has other ones, Cueva de Salamanca, Domdaniel . . . Excluding that we have a lot of magical cities in jrpg and books like Lodoss War, and Slayers, and Orphen. And gakuen alice was there before Zero no tsukaima too.

Give credits to Worst Witch (it has a 98 tv drama), it is fully ripped off in Little witch academia.

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There's a massive difference between a setting and a trope
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@tchitchouan I'm familiar with Quora, I use it often. I've written a few answers as well.


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there are tens of magic hi school anime preceding harry potter
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@tchitchouan I'm familiar with Quora, I use it often. I've written a few answers as well.
@MoonBunny9297 Yeah, it's very useful to find quick answers.
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