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Remove all trash donghua
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Let the trash donghua stay
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Aug 4, 12:52 AM
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President Xi, my preferred entertainment media yearns for freedom.
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A filter is the real answer. It's still asian animation and the sites rules state it's valid sooooo


Deal with it
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@Cristina_G Have you looked at the links I provided instead of angrily typing a billion posts? These stats distributions are clearly not natural and the result of botting.

https://myanimelist.net/anime/54437/Lian_Qi_Shi_Wan_Nian/stats

We're looking at 150+ fake votes out of 788. Almost every donghua's stats here looks like this.
MAL does a small effort to ignore bot votes, but given how that 3d slop nobody watches bloats the top ONA every season, it's safe to say it's not enough.
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Bruh, you just started the wrong debate. I know some donghua are trash, but there are still good ones like To Be Hero and DLOIMK so they should stay. There’s nothing wrong with keeping them.

If you really wanna remove stuff, focus on doujinshi that’s a whole different issue. But removing donghua ? Not happening.

Or better yet, instead of removing things, why not push to add more non-Japanese anime to MAL ? Start a poll for stuff like Shadow Slave, TBATE (LN adaptations), or even Devil May Cry anime. Break the guidelines if you have to, but don’t come for donghua just because some are bad
How did they come in to the cross fire?
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Aug 4, 5:04 AM
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I'm not massively opposed to that stuff even if I have zero interest in it but it highlights how arbitrary the definition of "anime" is for this site. That recent Lord of the Rings movie is 100000% more anime than any donghua but it isn't included. I also personally include Thunderbolt Fantasy as anime but its not on the site even when something like Pokemon Concierge is. Its all basically edge cases but its stuff that I notice so it does bug me a bit.
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I'm not massively opposed to that stuff even if I have zero interest in it but it highlights how arbitrary the definition of "anime" is for this site. That recent Lord of the Rings movie is 100000% more anime than any donghua but it isn't included. I also personally include Thunderbolt Fantasy as anime but its not on the site even when something like Pokemon Concierge is. Its all basically edge cases but its stuff that I notice so it does bug me a bit.
LotteGiants said:
That recent Lord of the Rings movie is 100000% more anime
It's actually 0% anime because it's a western animation.
Anime = Japanese animation.
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MAL isn’t exclusive to Japanese anime — it’s long accepted other formats like donghua and manhwa. There are plenty of high-quality Chinese productions that have nothing to do with propaganda or bots. Making sweeping generalizations like that just shows prejudice, not actual knowledge.

If you don’t like them, just don’t watch them — but demanding their removal from the site out of sheer cultural bias goes against everything this community should stand for.

Honestly, the blatant bias in your post gives me secondhand embarrassment and makes me lose faith in humanity a little.

Also, I personally watch both Japanese anime and donghua, and I find the scores in the Top Airing Anime section pretty fair overall. In fact, there are a few Japanese anime that seem more overrated to me than many donghua. So this idea that the scores are somehow fake or botted just doesn’t hold up.
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mal doesn't separate LNs from manga and people expect a filter for chinese anime?
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I don't watch donghua. But I don't see the point of removing it. If you don't like it, just ignore it.
Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings.....

https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065

Here is my blog....

https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1
Aug 4, 8:58 AM

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If you don't like it, then don't watch it. You can't remove it.
Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings.....

https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065

Here is my blog....

https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1
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Further proof donghua are being botted

https://myanimelist.net/anime/59953/Mushen_Ji

This show has around 12000 reviews giving it a 8 but less that 200 per score for every other score

I don't have a problem with genuinely good donghua but they are definitely being botted
Aug 4, 9:08 AM
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Make your own damn website you China-phobic. And FYI, all animations are anime, regardless of origin.
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Make your own damn website you China-phobic. And FYI, all animations are anime, regardless of origin.
nazsa said:
And FYI, all animations are anime, regardless of origin.

Anime = Japanese animation
End of story. There is no debate to be had.
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Ah, I almost forgot about the existence of people who are antagonistic to any Chinese entertainment content, sincerely believing that it is a propaganda tool of the Chinese government. Even poor Mao Mao got into trouble for this, although, while being just a reconstruction of Chinese history from a Japanese LN.

Personally, I am not a big fan of Chinese anime, because I rarely encounter it, let alone printed content. But why not give other people access to it if they like it?
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Explain how donghua is bad...I would like to know how it is bad.
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https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065

Here is my blog....

https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1
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People who unironically say stuff like "Chinese anime" should be locked up in a mental institution.
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@NightmareWare


Welcome to the internet, where memes exist

Also why the DP?

@Spunkert sorry I am an idiot but what is DP?
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@Cristina_G Have you looked at the links I provided instead of angrily typing a billion posts? These stats distributions are clearly not natural and the result of botting.

https://myanimelist.net/anime/54437/Lian_Qi_Shi_Wan_Nian/stats

We're looking at 150+ fake votes out of 788. Almost every donghua's stats here looks like this.
MAL does a small effort to ignore bot votes, but given how that 3d slop nobody watches bloats the top ONA every season, it's safe to say it's not enough.
@Deathko There’s a lot of bot fakery for animé (like those trending + hype of the day), a lot of them are garbage and I don’t see you complaining; it happens across the board, it’s not a 3D exclusive. Rather than dissing what you don’t know why don’t you give it a try, then see how you feel? And choose a decent one, don’t go for trash just to make a point. Watch for yourself without being guided by the opinions of others:
• Final Fantasy (VII, Kingslaive XV, Brotherhood)✨
• Death Love & Robots ✨
• Arcane 🔥
• Monkey King Reborn or Monkey King: Hero is Back ❤️‍🔥
• Renegade Immortal 🔥
• Sword of Coming ❤️‍🔥
• Eclipse of Illusion 🔥
• The Ravages of Time 🔥
• The Demon Hunter 🔥
• Jade Dynasty (particularly good from s2) ✨
• Perfect World ✨
• Swallowed Star 🔥
• The Great Journey of Teenagers ✨
• A Record of a Mortal’s Journey to Immortality ❤️‍🔥
• Tales of Herding Gods ❤️‍🔥
• Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation 🔥
• the great “Heaven Official’s Blessing” 🔥
• Scumbag System 🔥
• Legend of Exorcism ❤️‍🔥
• My Senior Brother is Too Steady ✨
• Lord of Mysteries 🔥
• A Will Eternal 🔥
.. on and on.. so much great stuff out there for everyone and you don’t even know it.

As for the example you gave, that’s filler for when you run out of things to watch while you wait for new episodes of the good stuff 2b released. There’s a lot of it, some people actually like it but personally that’s scrapping the bottom of the barrel and you could have come up with better so it’s a suspiciously convenient choice to throw around.
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Further proof donghua are being botted

https://myanimelist.net/anime/59953/Mushen_Ji

This show has around 12000 reviews giving it a 8 but less that 200 per score for every other score

I don't have a problem with genuinely good donghua but they are definitely being botted
@MercerTheLegend

Mushen Ji is at the very least a solid 8, what do yo expect (?)

You're right that the score distribution looks suspicious, but I wouldn't say it's definitive proof that it's being botted — at least not just based on that alone.

A huge spike in only one score (like 8) while all the others have under 200 votes definitely suggests unnatural behavior, and it's fair to be skeptical. Still, it’s not conclusive evidence of bots unless we can see other indicators — like accounts that only rate donghua, have no profile activity, were recently created, or show signs of automated behavior.

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People who unironically say stuff like "Chinese anime" should be locked up in a mental institution.
@queenofautism so what should it be called instead?
Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings.....

https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065

Here is my blog....

https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1
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Donghua is here to stay, get used to it.

It is crazy how weebs have so much love for Japan in their hearts but so much hate for China and Korea.
@Megistus7 👌🏻🤣 ouch 🩸 🫟
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@MercerTheLegend

Mushen Ji is at the very least a solid 8, what do yo expect (?)

You're right that the score distribution looks suspicious, but I wouldn't say it's definitive proof that it's being botted — at least not just based on that alone.

A huge spike in only one score (like 8) while all the others have under 200 votes definitely suggests unnatural behavior, and it's fair to be skeptical. Still, it’s not conclusive evidence of bots unless we can see other indicators — like accounts that only rate donghua, have no profile activity, were recently created, or show signs of automated behavior.

BraveX said:
You're right that the score distribution looks suspicious, but I wouldn't say it's definitive proof that it's being botted — at least not just based on that alone.
You're an actual ccp agent. ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎

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@queenofautism so what should it be called instead?
@DesuMaiden well usually chinese animation is called donghua but more than often both officially and unofficially its also called anime so anime just mean animated show and while japan is dominant in that aspect it still doesn't mean they have a monopoly on that word
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BraveX said:
You're right that the score distribution looks suspicious, but I wouldn't say it's definitive proof that it's being botted — at least not just based on that alone.
You're an actual ccp agent. ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎

@MYZIC if you really want to catch if it's bot or not score distribution is just one slice of pizza and pizza have more than 1 slice should check out accounts that rated the show and see if they have active profile or it's just automated bot or not also not only chinese anime get botted also japanese to all the time so its not only donghua problem
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@MYZIC if you really want to catch if it's bot or not score distribution is just one slice of pizza and pizza have more than 1 slice should check out accounts that rated the show and see if they have active profile or it's just automated bot or not also not only chinese anime get botted also japanese to all the time so its not only donghua problem
@Wolfyrinn This stat distribution is the whole pizza, the cardboard box, and the spicy sauce all rolled in one lmao. And GL finding an anime that is 95% botted and 5% real users.

Someone, somewhere has an interest in artificially inflating donghua's popularity here, and I don't like it. I don't want a site I use since 10 years being botted into oblivion and used as a soft power tool by people outside this community. I think that's pretty fair.

The fact that this thing has a 8.01 rating is proof that MAL's anti-botting system isn't doing shit. This show wouldn't even have a rating if you removed bot votes from it (not enough votes).
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@Wolfyrinn This stat distribution is the whole pizza, the cardboard box, and the spicy sauce all rolled in one lmao. And GL finding an anime that is 95% botted and 5% real users.

Someone, somewhere has an interest in artificially inflating donghua's popularity here, and I don't like it. I don't want a site I use since 10 years being botted into oblivion and used as a soft power tool by people outside this community. I think that's pretty fair.

The fact that this thing has a 8.01 rating is proof that MAL's anti-botting system isn't doing shit. This show wouldn't even have a rating if you removed bot votes from it (not enough votes).
@Deathko japanese shows have more peoples watching it so botting will be less obvious compared to donghua who have smaller numbers also do you really think ccp or china will be botting donghua in myanimelist if it's done professionally they would make it much less oblivious and ratings would be more widespread?
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@Wolfyrinn This stat distribution is the whole pizza, the cardboard box, and the spicy sauce all rolled in one lmao. And GL finding an anime that is 95% botted and 5% real users.

Someone, somewhere has an interest in artificially inflating donghua's popularity here, and I don't like it. I don't want a site I use since 10 years being botted into oblivion and used as a soft power tool by people outside this community. I think that's pretty fair.

The fact that this thing has a 8.01 rating is proof that MAL's anti-botting system isn't doing shit. This show wouldn't even have a rating if you removed bot votes from it (not enough votes).
@Deathko if we are talking about show itself i watched tale of herding gods it's very good show and worth 8 for sure i personally gave it 9 its great show if more peoples would get invested in to donghua i'm pretty certain it would still remain a score of atleast 8
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Ok but like. What does the Chinese government even get from boting ratings? Haha now your statistics are inaccurate.
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Further proof donghua are being botted

https://myanimelist.net/anime/59953/Mushen_Ji

This show has around 12000 reviews giving it a 8 but less that 200 per score for every other score

I don't have a problem with genuinely good donghua but they are definitely being botted
@MercerTheLegend
When I complained about unrelated botting last year, a mod told me I can trust the scores because bots are not counted. All those scores were changed a week later, indicating they were wrong at the time the mod spoke to me. No mod ever acknowledged that botting problem, and there's no way they'll ever acknowledge this latest problem either.
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Donghua shouldn't be removed because it does not seem sketchy nor suspicious.
Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings.....

https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065

Here is my blog....

https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1
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Donghua is here to stay, get used to it.

It is crazy how weebs have so much love for Japan in their hearts but so much hate for China and Korea.
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It is crazy how weebs have so much love for Japan in their hearts but so much hate for China and Korea.

Because they stole from Japanese culture so much. It is valid to criticize an inferior copy of something...
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Megistus7 said:
It is crazy how weebs have so much love for Japan in their hearts but so much hate for China and Korea.

Because they stole from Japanese culture so much. It is valid to criticize an inferior copy of something...
@Lentus1 Japanese culture is actually based off Chinese culture. So who stole from who now?
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@Lentus1 Japanese culture is actually based off Chinese culture. So who stole from who now?
@Old_School_Akira Korea and China are making their own "anime" meanwhile it's Japan that invented and developed anime and made it a special and famous thing that they're trying to copy. It's also a highly advanced country and culture who got their shit together sooner than China and Korea.
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BraveX said:
You're right that the score distribution looks suspicious, but I wouldn't say it's definitive proof that it's being botted — at least not just based on that alone.
You're an actual ccp agent. ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎

@MYZIC

I get it — reading comprehension isn’t your thing. But I didn’t expect much from someone who gives hentais a 10 and yells “trash” at anything not Japanese.
MAL has included donghua for years, but sure, let’s pretend you’re standing up for anime by calling for censorship.
And if shouting “CCP agent” is your go-to argument, you might want to sit this one out.
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@MYZIC

I get it — reading comprehension isn’t your thing. But I didn’t expect much from someone who gives hentais a 10 and yells “trash” at anything not Japanese.
MAL has included donghua for years, but sure, let’s pretend you’re standing up for anime by calling for censorship.
And if shouting “CCP agent” is your go-to argument, you might want to sit this one out.
@BraveX If you won't admit this is botted you're either a ccp agent or in the bottom 25% IQ quadrant.
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@BraveX If you won't admit this is botted you're either a ccp agent or in the bottom 25% IQ quadrant.
@MYZIC Sure, China is paying me to entertain your little trashy discussion~

By the way what inspired Dragon Ball? I can't quite remember...
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@MYZIC Sure, China is paying me to entertain your little trashy discussion~

By the way what inspired Dragon Ball? I can't quite remember...
BraveX said:
By the way what inspired Dragon Ball? I can't quite remember...
Completely unrelated because you know it's botted and you're too embarrassed to admit it.
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@MYZIC Sure, China is paying me to entertain your little trashy discussion~

By the way what inspired Dragon Ball? I can't quite remember...
@BraveX

The Chinese tale that inspired Dragon Ball is "Journey to the West," a classic Chinese novel written by Wu Cheng'en.

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@Old_School_Akira Korea and China are making their own "anime" meanwhile it's Japan that invented and developed anime and made it a special and famous thing that they're trying to copy. It's also a highly advanced country and culture who got their shit together sooner than China and Korea.
@Lentus1 China has a longer history in animation than Japan.
The 1st animated movie to come out of Asia was from China not Japan. China did it 1st.
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So is Chinese animation good or bad? Is it worth watching?
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@Old_School_Akira Korea and China are making their own "anime" meanwhile it's Japan that invented and developed anime and made it a special and famous thing that they're trying to copy. It's also a highly advanced country and culture who got their shit together sooner than China and Korea.
@Lentus1 hey what is kanji? Be specific.


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ROFL, who gives a shit? Certainly not enough people to make it worth the effort to remove a whole chunk of the website just to appease 10-20 randoms who probably cycle accounts to create threads with this exact same topic every once in a while and then circlejerk to it.
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I've actually found more evidence https://myanimelist.net/anime/59953/Mushen_Ji is botted
If we look at the episode discussions we can see that it's basically non existent. Even on niche or unpopular shows we can see some episode discussion.
Furthermore upon looking at the accounts that are scoring it they appears to be a trend with them all adding an insane amount of donghua suddenly. I actually suspect most of these are hacked accounts due to previous activity.
Some of the accounts scoring https://myanimelist.net/anime/59953/Mushen_Ji are actually "watching" than what would be reasonable or in at least one case even possible. I can see this as they are adding episode watched +1 manually each time
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Or just add a damn filter. Is so annoying to look at the Top Anime Airing list, and see it filled with Chinese CGI cartoons. I want to see what anime air, and what are their scores damn it! And how does this Chinese crap make the list, but Castelvania is taboo? Why is this site treating this as anime


But this as cartoons?


If you permit non-anime, at least be damn consistent, and let us put here Avatar and other anime inspired shows too.
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@kronopy holy mother of god...
Who doesn't want to watch 24 episodes of something that looks like a shitty mid 2000s video game cutscene?
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A lot of donghua are honestly really good, and given that the values represented by donghua often go against what the CCP stands for means your conspiracy theory doesn't hold water. There's no reason to remove them and they've been part of the database basically since MAL started. Also "99% of donghua have under 10k members" is pretty much true for anime as well. There are just more anime in general and donghua is on the rise, but that doesn't mean every single anime is popular, almost all anime are equally obscure.
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Or just add a damn filter. Is so annoying to look at the Top Anime Airing list, and see it filled with Chinese CGI cartoons. I want to see what anime air, and what are their scores damn it! And how does this Chinese crap make the list, but Castelvania is taboo? Why is this site treating this as anime


But this as cartoons?


If you permit non-anime, at least be damn consistent, and let us put here Avatar and other anime inspired shows too.
kronopy said:
If you permit non-anime, at least be damn consistent, and let us put here Avatar and other anime inspired shows too.

MAL consistently allows Chinese animation and not American animation. It's a perfectly reasonable rule, albeit one without any basis in demand. Because as you allude to, American animation is more popular.
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Lmao, a pizza is a pizza regardless if it's made by italian chef or indian chef.
And there are lot of hidden chinese anime gems that we're all missing out on.
https://myanimelist.net/anime/57663/Kui_Cheng_Shoufu_Cong_Youxi_Kaishi
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Which sites are these donghua videos uploaded to btw?
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https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065

Here is my blog....

https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1
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"I like to have fewer option" - The thread

Should we also remove any user here that shares anime art because they are not japanese?

Just skip it, I personally dont like too much Chinese anime, but some people really do.
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