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@cyandaqil A good chunk of the western fandom has a massive hateboner against him because they feel Miyazaki would judge them for their loli dakimakuras and shit favorites.
| @Deathko Yeah. He would judge them for not going for real kids instead.  |
thewiru said: @Lucifrost I don't actually recall, but I remember reading this claim multiple times. IIRC, he wasn't even the creator of Mickey Mouse. Without Walt Disney, it's likely Mickey Mouse would of simply remained some obscure drawing by Ub Iwerks in some sketch book. Walt Disney might have not created the characters drawn from scratch that are famously known but he conceptualized them to be produced and directed most of the Disney original projects actually putting together stories for the characters. Besides he voiced the character of Mickey Mouse for many of the early years. Walt Disney practically gave Mickey Mouse their personality we know today. Just imagine for a moment and take one of your favorite Anime characters. Would you still like them if they were just some drawing by someone without giving them a personality or put into any Anime or even putting them in a story for that matter? lol |
ColourWheelJun 20, 6:37 PM
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| Authority on what exactly? No offense, but everything online is fake botting nonsense. Even if it isn't botting, assume that it is. |
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DesuMaiden said: Authority on what exactly? No offense, but everything online is fake botting nonsense. Even if it isn't botting, assume that it is. Specifically Hayao Miyazaki is an authority in animated storytelling. The guy is a Master animator and Director as well in the industry simply because he has been doing it since the early 60s. His work in the field has even generally influenced the way Japanese Anime has been produced for decades by the way projects are actually produced in the studios. Like it or not the guy revolutionized the Anime industry setting most of the standards for even general animated cinema even today. |
ColourWheelJun 20, 6:51 PM
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DesuMaiden said:
Authority on what exactly? No offense, but everything online is fake botting nonsense. Even if it isn't botting, assume that it is.
Authority on what exactly? No offense, but everything online is fake botting nonsense. Even if it isn't botting, assume that it is.
Specifically Hayao Miyazaki is an authority in animated storytelling. The guy is a Master animator and Director as well in the industry simply because he has been doing it since the early 60s. His work in the field has even generally influenced the way Japanese Anime has been produced for decades by the way projects are actually produced in the studios. Like it or not the guy revolutionized the Anime industry setting most of the standards for even general animated cinema even today.
| @ColourWheel Honestly, don't waste your time and energy engaging with DesuMaiden in good faith. They're either a bot account or a troll. I have never seen them post anything in the forums that resembles a genuine, well thought-out opinion. ------- On-topic: I agree with OP 100%. And while we're at it, let's talk about Martin Scorcese. Like, why is he seen as an authority on cinema? How dare he criticize the masterpiece compendium that is the MCU, and its effects on the filmmaking industry?... what do you mean his career spans 50 years? What has he contributed for the art form in all that time besides making a bunch of italian mobster movies? /s |
thewiru said: and who only directed a single TV anime, that being Mirai Shounen Conan. That's straight up malicious bullshit lol. -He's credited as a director on more than Mirai Shounen Conan, as far as TV shows are concerned -He worked on many TV shows as an episode director or key animator -He's obviously know for founding the most famous anime studio ever and making movies, so if he has a problem with TV anime, he put his money where his mouth is. -Even if he only worked on one anime in his whole life, that'd still be one more than you, so, according to your logic, he'd still be more of an authority than you and your ramblings. |
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@cyandaqil A good chunk of the western fandom has a massive hateboner against him because they feel Miyazaki would judge them for their loli dakimakuras and shit favorites.
| @Deathko 90% of my hate is literally just for his political views, and who he is as a person. My hate for the populist right is equaled by my hate for self righteous leftists like Miyazaki (also a hypocrite). The other 10% is less Miyazaki and more his fanbase in the West. Deathko said: His viewpoints on American cinema, are frankly just hard to take seriously, and are straight up bogus in my opinion. He says a lot of stupid shit. Hey even creator, who I personally like such as Tomino also say a lot of stupid shit. If this point is just attack Wiru's logic though...fair enough. I agree. I don't see the point of bringing up his TV directorial past, when he did a good job there. Still I don't think artists having more accreditation means they have better opinions. If anything they often say lots of out of touch nonsense, and they should just get a pat on the back cause they made a good anime, film, show, art piece, musical number etc. Even if he only worked on one anime in his whole life, that'd still be one more than you, so, according to your logic, he'd still be more of an authority than you and your ramblings. All I am going to say is Miyazaki sn't some magnus opus writer yet people see his words, as God's gift to the universe, and apply his logic to define what good writing is. It would be a different story if it was just talking about the art of animation though, where I would argue he stands out there as one of the best. So yeah, I think he deserves way more critique in the fandom, not just because he hates the otaku, and I actually don't disagree with some of his points, granted I wouldn't argue Ghibli works were super innovative in regards to writing or characterization. |
BilboBaggins365Jun 21, 11:46 AM
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@Deathko 90% of my hate is literally just for his political views, and who he is as a person. My hate for the populist right is equaled by my hate for self righteous leftists like Miyazaki (also a hypocrite). The other 10% is less Miyazaki and more his fanbase in the West.
All I am going to say is Miyazaki sn't some magnus opus writer yet people see his words, as God's gift to the universe, and apply his logic to define what good writing is. It would be a different story if it was just talking about the art of animation though, where I would argue he stands out there as one of the best. So yeah, I think he deserves way more critique in the fandom, not just because he hates the otaku, and I actually don't disagree with some of his points, granted I wouldn't argue Ghibli works were super innovative in regards to writing or characterization.
Deathko said:
Even if he only worked on one anime in his whole life, that'd still be one more than you, so, according to your logic, he'd still be more of an authority than you and your ramblings.
His viewpoints on American cinema, are frankly just hard to take seriously, and are straight up bogus in my opinion. He says a lot of stupid shit. Hey even creator, who I personally like such as Tomino also say a lot of stupid shit. If this point is just attack Wiru's logic though...fair enough. I agree. I don't see the point of bringing up his TV directorial past, when he did a good job there. Still I don't think artists having more accreditation means they have better opinions. If anything they often say lots of out of touch nonsense, and they should just get a pat on the back cause they made a good anime, film, show, art piece, musical number etc. Even if he only worked on one anime in his whole life, that'd still be one more than you, so, according to your logic, he'd still be more of an authority than you and your ramblings.
All I am going to say is Miyazaki sn't some magnus opus writer yet people see his words, as God's gift to the universe, and apply his logic to define what good writing is. It would be a different story if it was just talking about the art of animation though, where I would argue he stands out there as one of the best. So yeah, I think he deserves way more critique in the fandom, not just because he hates the otaku, and I actually don't disagree with some of his points, granted I wouldn't argue Ghibli works were super innovative in regards to writing or characterization.
| @BilboBaggins365 I don't like that argument much either, but if OP sets rules, he has to play by the rules. His opinion on Miyazaki's authority over anime is instantly discredited by the rules he set. |
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@BilboBaggins365 I don't like that argument much either, but if OP sets rules, he has to play by the rules. His opinion on Miyazaki's authority over anime is instantly discredited by the rules he set.
| @Deathko Yeah fair, if that is the point. Though yeah i don't get it. Future Boy Conan was really good...so if anything it's too bad Miyazaki didn't do more TV anime (which I prefer to films anyway). Like I get Wiru doesn't like him, I don't like him either. Still he was a very important creative and did make good shit....maybe not the best in the industry, in my opinion, and hardly best when compared to other film makers globally however, he is a big guy just like Tomino or Tezuka, or Anno. Some of the most important guys in the business. |
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@Deathko Yeah fair, if that is the point. Though yeah i don't get it. Future Boy Conan was really good...so if anything it's too bad Miyazaki didn't do more TV anime (which I prefer to films anyway). Like I get Wiru doesn't like him, I don't like him either. Still he was a very important creative and did make good shit....maybe not the best in the industry, in my opinion, and hardly best when compared to other film makers globally however, he is a big guy just like Tomino or Tezuka, or Anno. Some of the most important guys in the business.
| @BilboBaggins365 I think Ghibli movies are solid "good" movies, even if none of them are my favs. But I do love him for giving Anno a chance. Without him, who knows if we would have Gainax and Trigger, and a world without those would be a world where I don't watch anime, for sure. |
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thewiru said:
and who only directed a single TV anime, that being Mirai Shounen Conan.
and who only directed a single TV anime, that being Mirai Shounen Conan.
That's straight up malicious bullshit lol.
-He's credited as a director on more than Mirai Shounen Conan, as far as TV shows are concerned
-He worked on many TV shows as an episode director or key animator
-He's obviously know for founding the most famous anime studio ever and making movies, so if he has a problem with TV anime, he put his money where his mouth is.
-Even if he only worked on one anime in his whole life, that'd still be one more than you, so, according to your logic, he'd still be more of an authority than you and your ramblings.
Deathko said: -He's credited as a director on more than Mirai Shounen Conan, as far as TV shows are concerned Oh yeah, he was a director during 10 specific episoes of Lupin III: Part II, how could I forget? This definitely disproves my point in it's entirety! Deathko said: -He's obviously know for founding the most famous anime studio ever and making movies, so if he has a problem with TV anime, he put his money where his mouth is. And he's right for doing that. The thing is that he is against the logic that's in ALL TV anime for some decades now, yet people want to use him as a weapon thinking it would only hit the ones they dislike. That's like using Oswald Spengler and Julius Evola as arguments while thinking that the 80's were the apex of "trad". He's an authority in anime movies, but not on TV anime. Deathko said: he'd still be more of an authority than you and your ramblings. How many video essays do you see around here of people citing me as an authority figure? |
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@ColourWheel
Honestly, don't waste your time and energy engaging with DesuMaiden in good faith. They're either a bot account or a troll. I have never seen them post anything in the forums that resembles a genuine, well thought-out opinion.
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On-topic: I agree with OP 100%. And while we're at it, let's talk about Martin Scorcese. Like, why is he seen as an authority on cinema? How dare he criticize the masterpiece compendium that is the MCU, and its effects on the filmmaking industry?... what do you mean his career spans 50 years? What has he contributed for the art form in all that time besides making a bunch of italian mobster movies? /s
Honestly, don't waste your time and energy engaging with DesuMaiden in good faith. They're either a bot account or a troll. I have never seen them post anything in the forums that resembles a genuine, well thought-out opinion.
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On-topic: I agree with OP 100%. And while we're at it, let's talk about Martin Scorcese. Like, why is he seen as an authority on cinema? How dare he criticize the masterpiece compendium that is the MCU, and its effects on the filmmaking industry?... what do you mean his career spans 50 years? What has he contributed for the art form in all that time besides making a bunch of italian mobster movies? /s
Orororurando said: On-topic: I agree with OP 100%. And while we're at it, let's talk about Martin Scorcese. Like, why is he seen as an authority on cinema? How dare he criticize the masterpiece compendium that is the MCU, and its effects on the filmmaking industry?... what do you mean his career spans 50 years? What has he contributed for the art form in all that time besides making a bunch of italian mobster movies? /s You joke, but this is actually a nice argument as to why we shouldn't reduce things to a single, monolithic category of "movies", "anime", etc If Scorsese's entire filmography was just art-house indie cinema, then indeed his criticism of blockbusters would be one from an outside perspective (Like Miyazaki's criticism on TV Anime). Granted, this isn't the case here. |
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@Deathko Yeah fair, if that is the point. Though yeah i don't get it. Future Boy Conan was really good...so if anything it's too bad Miyazaki didn't do more TV anime (which I prefer to films anyway). Like I get Wiru doesn't like him, I don't like him either. Still he was a very important creative and did make good shit....maybe not the best in the industry, in my opinion, and hardly best when compared to other film makers globally however, he is a big guy just like Tomino or Tezuka, or Anno. Some of the most important guys in the business.
BilboBaggins365 said: Like I get Wiru doesn't like him It's not about me liking or disliking him. What I dislike is the "weaponization" of Miyazaki as a spearhead by midwits. |
Lol OpenAis limited Ghibli run was an affront to Miyazaki himself.  |
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| He's like an oligarch... Like Jeff Bezos of anime, if you will. Ok, maybe that's not the best comparison. Considering that he's done quite a lot of actually good stuff, I'd say he's like Hans Zimmer of anime. Though, if we're talking about music alone, that title would go to Sawano Hiroyuki, but you get the point... |
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@Lucifrost
I don't actually recall, but I remember reading this claim multiple times.
IIRC, he wasn't even the creator of Mickey Mouse.
I don't actually recall, but I remember reading this claim multiple times.
IIRC, he wasn't even the creator of Mickey Mouse.
| @thewiru So basically you don't know what you're talking about.....again?^^ Got it. |
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@Merve2Love
Hum, I guess you're right, I should research things before I talk about them.
...that being the case, do you have a bush?
Hum, I guess you're right, I should research things before I talk about them.
...that being the case, do you have a bush?
| @thewiru Don't do it. Don't fk up again... You regretted it last time. Be a good Incel and hide^^ |
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| @thewiru @Merve2Love Do you two hate each other because of opposing views? |
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| Hayao Miyazaki treats fanservice like a cursed scroll sealed in a forbidden vault beneath Studio Ghibli. The man once said he hates otaku culture” and has openly criticized anime that leans on fanservice, sexualized tropes or pandering. His works are famously anti-fanservice. But in anime community people always complain about censorship yet treat Miyazaki as absolute authority? It doesn't make sense. |
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Hayao Miyazaki treats fanservice like a cursed scroll sealed in a forbidden vault beneath Studio Ghibli.
The man once said he hates otaku culture” and has openly criticized anime that leans on fanservice, sexualized tropes or pandering. His works are famously anti-fanservice.
But in anime community people always complain about censorship yet treat Miyazaki as absolute authority?
It doesn't make sense.
The man once said he hates otaku culture” and has openly criticized anime that leans on fanservice, sexualized tropes or pandering. His works are famously anti-fanservice.
But in anime community people always complain about censorship yet treat Miyazaki as absolute authority?
It doesn't make sense.
| Because of ghibli hype (which never ceases) and because everyone regards his movies as the best things ever made, helps that they were very influential classics. People in general like to have a person that is an authority figure in anything, especially when they want to give appeal to their opinions by associating it with that person ("look, i am right and my take is good, great miyazaki would agree with me so i am right/smart"). To hide themselves behind them (like other user said). Certain type of people especially love to use him as gospel and mighty representative (some even blow his quotes out of proportion and even make stuff up). Funny to see. I myself dont care about his takes and neither about his movies, though they do look good and are very well done in animation and art. @RainyEvenings There are now a bunch of people in the new anime community itself that fully support censorship, so it is not far fetched that they would look for someone to adorn their hysteria with. Those that complain about censorship dont hate miyazaki neither, so it is hard for him to have any kind of negative reputation overall, contributing to his major status as a very well liked personality even more |
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