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Sep 5, 11:28 PM
#51
Based on the anime that your comparing it to I get the vibe that you like romances with more mature and lowkey vibes. Even BokuYaba which is largely the usual high school romcom has the more mature elements with the mc's sexual desires and a lot of the show is just his inner thoughts. Makeine, while having a lot of subtleties, is very high energy or in your face a lot of the times with these wacky characters. Moreso with Shikanoko. So if I had to guess it probably is just your age or your mood. That on top of how there is no exact overarching plot direction may be the reason for your lack of emotional investment cuz even regular romcoms have the end goal of confession, but that's not even the case here. |
Sep 6, 12:07 AM
#52
Reply to Oioioioi1234
Based on the anime that your comparing it to I get the vibe that you like romances with more mature and lowkey vibes. Even BokuYaba which is largely the usual high school romcom has the more mature elements with the mc's sexual desires and a lot of the show is just his inner thoughts. Makeine, while having a lot of subtleties, is very high energy or in your face a lot of the times with these wacky characters. Moreso with Shikanoko. So if I had to guess it probably is just your age or your mood. That on top of how there is no exact overarching plot direction may be the reason for your lack of emotional investment cuz even regular romcoms have the end goal of confession, but that's not even the case here.
@Oioioioi1234 I don't care about confession, like Oregairu never had one, nor Nisekoi (at least the anime), so it's not that, but I am a man of plot and that's why I like Monogatari and Toradora. I think Makeine is too teenagey, it's not a word but I think it's like Billie Eilish's songs, which many like but is straight up too cringe for me. Or I had a lot of expectations from this like I had from that Deaf Romance Shoujo Anime last season. I really thought that this anime will make fun of losing Heroine trope like 100 GF made fun of Harem or Eminence made fun of Isekai. It's just too serious for it's own good and something which is easily forgettable. And I will say again that the studio is a big part why everyone is watching this. If JC Staff adapted this with meagre budget, it wouldn't get this type of response. I feel no difference between this and 2.5D seduction, one has losing heroine trope other has Ecchi, character and story depth are shallow in both of these anime. |
Sep 6, 1:08 AM
#53
Sep 6, 1:30 AM
#54
Understandable, though this is fine and definitely not the worst. Why bother bringing up character when what you want for them is to be degenerate, not well written. (like you brought up Rudy molesting as a strong point and have High School DxD at a 10/10) For me, the best this season would be Monogatari series off and Dededede |
Sep 6, 2:02 AM
#55
Reply to watsym
Understandable, though this is fine and definitely not the worst. Why bother bringing up character when what you want for them is to be degenerate, not well written. (like you brought up Rudy molesting as a strong point and have High School DxD at a 10/10)
For me, the best this season would be Monogatari series off and Dededede
For me, the best this season would be Monogatari series off and Dededede
@watsym I brought up Rudy because even a worse pedo character like him had character development and maturity, meaning it is not that hard to show character development in any story. Heck, I even believe than if there is a Hitler Isekai, we can show his character development too. I have HS DxD as 10/10 because it's the anime that legit made me straight, it was something which started my Puberty tbh. Like c'mon, for some it's Megan Fox from Transformers, for some it's Zero2, for me it's Rias. Monogatari is my #1 anime so ofc Off Season is the best, sadly I haven't remembered their chuuni names yet. |
Sep 6, 5:51 AM
#57
I perfectly understand, this is my least favorite anime of the current season. Despite the seemingly unique premise, plot-wise is just yet another LN adaptation about a male mc hanging out with several girls and dealing with their problems, in a high school setting. Characters are fairly generic (the only positive thing I keep hearing about Nukumizu is how the girls aren't falling in love with him for no reason, Kaju is yet another imouto who loves her big brother a bit too much, and so on) except one, the one thing that truly makes Makeine stand out: Anna. She isn't like the average bakadere (baka, cheerful, full of energy and positive vibes), she's baka and bratty. That might make her more realistic, but the problem is that I straight up don't like her. A recent example of bratty girl I liked is Nina from Girls Band Cry. Animation is good, not much to say here. I do believe that the halo effect also applies to anime. |
Sep 6, 6:38 AM
#58
I'm enjoying it. I like the comedic humor when they interact, and I also like the romantic drama of high school teens, These are common things, but for me, they entertain me a lot so far. Other than that, it also has great animation. |
Sep 6, 6:41 AM
#59
The good thing about this anime is that you don't take anything "seriously", you have to watch it with a relaxed mind and just feel the humor and drama that the anime has to offer. "open minded" and you will be able to like it, you don't have to think too much. |
Sep 6, 8:11 AM
#60
Reply to benedito2937425
The good thing about this anime is that you don't take anything "seriously", you have to watch it with a relaxed mind and just feel the humor and drama that the anime has to offer. "open minded" and you will be able to like it, you don't have to think too much.
@benedito2937425 But even then comedic elements should make you laugh and dramatic elements - empathize. Everything that is going on in this story is just whatever. Author throws underdeveloped characters in various situations expecting audience to care, but why would we if there's no distinct reason to like or dislike anyone in the cast yet. Nobody acts "right" or "wrong", they just go with the flow refusing to show any trace of a character. I mean yeah, they have distinct traits like shy nerd or cheerful athletic girl, etc. But those are merely fragments of a personality. Everyone is just a passive observer, nobody moves story forward, everything just happens by itself. |
al_vlSep 6, 8:14 AM
Sep 6, 10:45 AM
#61
GodsTheGuy said: Well, I will be honest, I am pretty bored since E6. Maybe a big part is caused because of the MC who is made as a self insert, he doesn't talk much, doesn't have much of a character, and isn't even like a bit annoying like Kyon (Melancholy's MC). I am not demanding someone like 8man, but at least some character please? Not talking about how the girls don't have that much character growth but their whole emotion depends upon the surroundings characters, they feel like a side character in their own story and it's not because they are losing Heroines, but because we don't get any monologue or any solid character progress (like Rudy not touching Eris badly in E6 or 7 of S1 after molesting her the previous episode, bad example but gets my point across). And now the whole festival arc and student council involvement, maybe I am just too old to watch this sh*t. And don't tell me I don't like romance, I am eating up Days with my Step Sister, S&W and liking (only a bit) Roshidere. I feel Makeine along with Shikanoko are both the weakest animes of this season, but weirdly everyone around me likes it. I am sure people will forget about this anime by next season. It's just way worse than bangers like BokuYaba or Horimiya (some people were comparing this to them). I may drop this and pick up Wistoria. hmmmm......... actually i dont really like romance that much cause i more of a sad,depressing anime watched type.....but about this particular one i dont see anything wrong with it since it didnt really take the path of romance but more of a therapist and client kind.........and even if you are switching anime dont go over to wistoria.......im not saying you shouldnt watch it...... but it comes close to regrets........im still waiting for some plot twist cause thats what i think can save the entire story......and its actually predictable |
Sep 6, 5:29 PM
#62
Sep 6, 5:52 PM
#63
I kinda second this. I've already got this far. But Anna is insufferable. It's not that fuckin great. Settle down everyone |
Sep 6, 6:05 PM
#64
Reply to GodsTheGuy
@RomanRonin Many RomComs are actually like that where MC is not the center character, Oregairu or Toradora or or BokuYaba or even Horimiya as examples.
I feel that the show took the cliche of "losing heroines" and wanted to be serious about it, which is not hitting me. I mean I am the type of guy which reads Otome Manhwa, played many Otome games and have watched cringe fest shows like "You", so I know a bit about someone feeling down, but those feelings never came across anytime in this anime.
Like the pacing is strictly 2 episode per girl, 3 girls, so the arcs will repeat like that. Like Monogatari did extremely well with the feeling of love sickness with Hanekawa and Nadeko, hell, second arc of Off Season was about facing the past and growing up, and if I get 2% of character development here that Monogatari offered, I would be happy to watch this.
And one thing that even die hard fans agree is that the shy "Bocchi" character is boring. For me, other characters are as empty as Bocchi but they just have their quirks (like Lemon being an athlete and the common "tomboy" character and Otter san loves eating and being the Blue haired losing Heroine).
I bet if the animation was not this good, many people would have dropped the show by E3.
I feel that the show took the cliche of "losing heroines" and wanted to be serious about it, which is not hitting me. I mean I am the type of guy which reads Otome Manhwa, played many Otome games and have watched cringe fest shows like "You", so I know a bit about someone feeling down, but those feelings never came across anytime in this anime.
Like the pacing is strictly 2 episode per girl, 3 girls, so the arcs will repeat like that. Like Monogatari did extremely well with the feeling of love sickness with Hanekawa and Nadeko, hell, second arc of Off Season was about facing the past and growing up, and if I get 2% of character development here that Monogatari offered, I would be happy to watch this.
And one thing that even die hard fans agree is that the shy "Bocchi" character is boring. For me, other characters are as empty as Bocchi but they just have their quirks (like Lemon being an athlete and the common "tomboy" character and Otter san loves eating and being the Blue haired losing Heroine).
I bet if the animation was not this good, many people would have dropped the show by E3.
@GodsTheGuy No, I actually enjoy it. It's one of the better ones I've seen. And I have seen a lot of Rom Coms. |
Sep 6, 7:26 PM
#65
Reply to al_vl
@benedito2937425 But even then comedic elements should make you laugh and dramatic elements - empathize. Everything that is going on in this story is just whatever. Author throws underdeveloped characters in various situations expecting audience to care, but why would we if there's no distinct reason to like or dislike anyone in the cast yet. Nobody acts "right" or "wrong", they just go with the flow refusing to show any trace of a character. I mean yeah, they have distinct traits like shy nerd or cheerful athletic girl, etc. But those are merely fragments of a personality. Everyone is just a passive observer, nobody moves story forward, everything just happens by itself.
@al_vl that's what I was talking about. |
Sep 6, 7:29 PM
#66
Reply to Sheol01
@GodsTheGuy No, I actually enjoy it. It's one of the better ones I've seen. And I have seen a lot of Rom Coms.
@Sheol01 yes, out of all the RomComs, it's definitely better, but everyone is like, it's "Anime of the Season", which is not true at all. Senpai is an Otokonoko or Robot Wife has better character dev than this. Like it's #2 on weekly rankings which is absurd as the story is hollow af. |
Sep 6, 8:13 PM
#67
Reply to al_vl
@benedito2937425 But even then comedic elements should make you laugh and dramatic elements - empathize. Everything that is going on in this story is just whatever. Author throws underdeveloped characters in various situations expecting audience to care, but why would we if there's no distinct reason to like or dislike anyone in the cast yet. Nobody acts "right" or "wrong", they just go with the flow refusing to show any trace of a character. I mean yeah, they have distinct traits like shy nerd or cheerful athletic girl, etc. But those are merely fragments of a personality. Everyone is just a passive observer, nobody moves story forward, everything just happens by itself.
@al_vl You wrote, wrote, and wrote, but everything you wrote was just a comment that lacks interpretation. They're teenagers, right? They're still developing mentally, and things like childhood love are still conflicts for them. They are basically following the life of any high school student. The comedic moments are not something to "think too much about", You just watch the weird situation there and laugh at how "crazy" that situation got. The romantic drama between the characters makes it clear who they really are. Insecure, distressed, understanding... They develop their feelings right there. When they find themselves in love and receive rejection, they have to accept all of that and continue being who they are, that is their development. I don't think this anime seeks to develop the romantic relationship between Nukumizu and another girl, but rather to develop their personalities and friendships. I honestly think the story is simply that, about young people interacting with each other, creating friendship through "romantic rejection" with a light comedic tone and their stories of distinct personalities. Maybe the anime just isn't for you, when you watch anime of this type you normally don't have to take everything seriously, you just have to open your mind and watch without thinking too much. Maybe it's something subjective after all but humor works for me and so does drama. |
benedito2937425Sep 6, 8:19 PM
Sep 6, 9:40 PM
#68
Reply to GodsTheGuy
@Oioioioi1234 I don't care about confession, like Oregairu never had one, nor Nisekoi (at least the anime), so it's not that, but I am a man of plot and that's why I like Monogatari and Toradora.
I think Makeine is too teenagey, it's not a word but I think it's like Billie Eilish's songs, which many like but is straight up too cringe for me.
Or I had a lot of expectations from this like I had from that Deaf Romance Shoujo Anime last season. I really thought that this anime will make fun of losing Heroine trope like 100 GF made fun of Harem or Eminence made fun of Isekai. It's just too serious for it's own good and something which is easily forgettable.
And I will say again that the studio is a big part why everyone is watching this. If JC Staff adapted this with meagre budget, it wouldn't get this type of response. I feel no difference between this and 2.5D seduction, one has losing heroine trope other has Ecchi, character and story depth are shallow in both of these anime.
I think Makeine is too teenagey, it's not a word but I think it's like Billie Eilish's songs, which many like but is straight up too cringe for me.
Or I had a lot of expectations from this like I had from that Deaf Romance Shoujo Anime last season. I really thought that this anime will make fun of losing Heroine trope like 100 GF made fun of Harem or Eminence made fun of Isekai. It's just too serious for it's own good and something which is easily forgettable.
And I will say again that the studio is a big part why everyone is watching this. If JC Staff adapted this with meagre budget, it wouldn't get this type of response. I feel no difference between this and 2.5D seduction, one has losing heroine trope other has Ecchi, character and story depth are shallow in both of these anime.
Yeah, I agree. For me, it doesn't strike the right balance of comedy and serious moments, or rather there's too much of a disconnect between the two. Sometimes characters act in ridiculously ways or are put in crazy situations (weird even for typical rom-com standards), but then suddenly some sort of drama occurs and everything goes serious. If they're trying to develop characters and relationships I'd rather them tone it down, or just go full comedy about the tragedy of the losing heroines. I wouldn't say that an in-between is impossible, but I just don't vibe with how they're approaching it as it is. |
Sep 6, 9:48 PM
#69
Reply to benedito2937425
@al_vl You wrote, wrote, and wrote, but everything you wrote was just a comment that lacks interpretation.
They're teenagers, right? They're still developing mentally, and things like childhood love are still conflicts for them. They are basically following the life of any high school student. The comedic moments are not something to "think too much about", You just watch the weird situation there and laugh at how "crazy" that situation got.
The romantic drama between the characters makes it clear who they really are. Insecure, distressed, understanding... They develop their feelings right there. When they find themselves in love and receive rejection, they have to accept all of that and continue being who they are, that is their development. I don't think this anime seeks to develop the romantic relationship between Nukumizu and another girl, but rather to develop their personalities and friendships.
I honestly think the story is simply that, about young people interacting with each other, creating friendship through "romantic rejection" with a light comedic tone and their stories of distinct personalities.
Maybe the anime just isn't for you, when you watch anime of this type you normally don't have to take everything seriously, you just have to open your mind and watch without thinking too much. Maybe it's something subjective after all but humor works for me and so does drama.
They're teenagers, right? They're still developing mentally, and things like childhood love are still conflicts for them. They are basically following the life of any high school student. The comedic moments are not something to "think too much about", You just watch the weird situation there and laugh at how "crazy" that situation got.
The romantic drama between the characters makes it clear who they really are. Insecure, distressed, understanding... They develop their feelings right there. When they find themselves in love and receive rejection, they have to accept all of that and continue being who they are, that is their development. I don't think this anime seeks to develop the romantic relationship between Nukumizu and another girl, but rather to develop their personalities and friendships.
I honestly think the story is simply that, about young people interacting with each other, creating friendship through "romantic rejection" with a light comedic tone and their stories of distinct personalities.
Maybe the anime just isn't for you, when you watch anime of this type you normally don't have to take everything seriously, you just have to open your mind and watch without thinking too much. Maybe it's something subjective after all but humor works for me and so does drama.
@benedito2937425 you are not talking to me, but I think mine and that guys problem with the anime is not teenagers doing teenagers thing and being cringe but the anime being non linear in it's approach. Like the Comedy, Drama, and seriousness just don't mix well together, like on moment it's all fun and jokes and next moment it's about life lesson, and it happening 1 time is okay but it has already happened like 3 times, with the 4th time coming soon in the current arc. I guess biggest problem in the story is that it's going character by character and like they are in a queue of character development, Anna then Lemon then Bocchi, that's how the story is going on strictly and there's no essence. Either go full drama or full comedy. Good example of a series balancing it is Toradora, when there's comedy and fun, the whole episode is like that, and when it comes the time for serious moments, it transforms into it by taking 2-3 episodes. In Makeine it takes less than 3 minutes to switch the genre. If the author took a stance and decided to explain characters and their relationship in large arcs instead of fragmenting it, the whole story would be a lot better. A good example is 5cm per second where the guy's life journey is divided into broad categories, or any other good movie or anime for that matter. Give character time instead of showing their character tropes and moving on with a bit of salt and sugar. |
GodsTheGuySep 6, 9:51 PM
Sep 6, 10:07 PM
#70
OH- (character limit) |
Sep 6, 11:24 PM
#71
Reply to GodsTheGuy
@benedito2937425 you are not talking to me, but I think mine and that guys problem with the anime is not teenagers doing teenagers thing and being cringe but the anime being non linear in it's approach.
Like the Comedy, Drama, and seriousness just don't mix well together, like on moment it's all fun and jokes and next moment it's about life lesson, and it happening 1 time is okay but it has already happened like 3 times, with the 4th time coming soon in the current arc.
I guess biggest problem in the story is that it's going character by character and like they are in a queue of character development, Anna then Lemon then Bocchi, that's how the story is going on strictly and there's no essence. Either go full drama or full comedy.
Good example of a series balancing it is Toradora, when there's comedy and fun, the whole episode is like that, and when it comes the time for serious moments, it transforms into it by taking 2-3 episodes. In Makeine it takes less than 3 minutes to switch the genre.
If the author took a stance and decided to explain characters and their relationship in large arcs instead of fragmenting it, the whole story would be a lot better. A good example is 5cm per second where the guy's life journey is divided into broad categories, or any other good movie or anime for that matter. Give character time instead of showing their character tropes and moving on with a bit of salt and sugar.
Like the Comedy, Drama, and seriousness just don't mix well together, like on moment it's all fun and jokes and next moment it's about life lesson, and it happening 1 time is okay but it has already happened like 3 times, with the 4th time coming soon in the current arc.
I guess biggest problem in the story is that it's going character by character and like they are in a queue of character development, Anna then Lemon then Bocchi, that's how the story is going on strictly and there's no essence. Either go full drama or full comedy.
Good example of a series balancing it is Toradora, when there's comedy and fun, the whole episode is like that, and when it comes the time for serious moments, it transforms into it by taking 2-3 episodes. In Makeine it takes less than 3 minutes to switch the genre.
If the author took a stance and decided to explain characters and their relationship in large arcs instead of fragmenting it, the whole story would be a lot better. A good example is 5cm per second where the guy's life journey is divided into broad categories, or any other good movie or anime for that matter. Give character time instead of showing their character tropes and moving on with a bit of salt and sugar.
@GodsTheGuy I see. But honestly I like this type of anime, I don't think the comedy and drama are exaggerated. However, I agree with you about suddenly one episode focusing on drama and the other comedy, one after another, but still I don't mind, somehow the team behind this anime is making it look balanced(in my point of view), I would hate it if there was like drama and over the top comedy. For example, in Lemon's arch, I didn't find that drama so exaggerated because it was something that was resolved quickly and logically through conversation and acceptance between them, so the drama was done solidly. Another example is comedy, which sometimes starts with a misunderstanding but doesn't last long in the story, normally everything is resolved in that same episode. This is something that depends on each person's personal taste, I know that not everyone likes this kind of approach (drama + comedy in sequence), maybe just not your "type of anime". I think that's exactly what high school life is like. One moment you laugh, one moment you cry over disappointments loves, and another moment you learn lessons about life from that disappointment, so on this point I disagree with you. Not being linear is exactly what's good about this anime, in my opinion. Just stop and think about what a teenager's life is like most of the time. |
benedito2937425Sep 6, 11:29 PM
Yesterday, 2:11 AM
#72
What are you even talking about? Nukumizu has more characters than that MC from stepsister. The girls have no solid progress? Dude, Yanami didn't even angry anymore when talking about her crush. |
Yesterday, 2:41 AM
#73
Reply to EdgyLord666
What are you even talking about? Nukumizu has more characters than that MC from stepsister. The girls have no solid progress? Dude, Yanami didn't even angry anymore when talking about her crush.
@EdgyLord666 step sister is literally not about a specific trope, it's a SoL with slow burning romance and relationship between two people, that anime can take 50 episode for character development and it will make sense because that's the theme of the story. 5 episode of drama in StepSis is equal to 5 mins of drama in Makeine, so I obviously need Makeine characters to get that much development. Not talking about the difference in screentime of Nukumizu and Asamura. If Yanami not getting annoyed is character progression for you, then I really don't have to add much here. It has 3 main girls but the story is so fragmented, like it's totally good as a book with chapters, but not as a visual medium. The girls totally don't complement each other and their chemistry is totally different, with the MC and with each other. I just feel the author is not at that level tbh, I don't wanna shame them or anything but the flow of the story is too random and unreal. Like the storage house scene between Nukkun and Lemon was out of place and not needed, I am not anti Ecchi but adding that element in this story which is primarily not Ecchi based is weird, again proving my point that author doesn't know what he is trying to do and adding whatever he thinks make sense. But again, I am no one to judge. |
Yesterday, 8:46 AM
#74
Reply to GodsTheGuy
@EdgyLord666 step sister is literally not about a specific trope, it's a SoL with slow burning romance and relationship between two people, that anime can take 50 episode for character development and it will make sense because that's the theme of the story. 5 episode of drama in StepSis is equal to 5 mins of drama in Makeine, so I obviously need Makeine characters to get that much development. Not talking about the difference in screentime of Nukumizu and Asamura.
If Yanami not getting annoyed is character progression for you, then I really don't have to add much here. It has 3 main girls but the story is so fragmented, like it's totally good as a book with chapters, but not as a visual medium. The girls totally don't complement each other and their chemistry is totally different, with the MC and with each other.
I just feel the author is not at that level tbh, I don't wanna shame them or anything but the flow of the story is too random and unreal. Like the storage house scene between Nukkun and Lemon was out of place and not needed, I am not anti Ecchi but adding that element in this story which is primarily not Ecchi based is weird, again proving my point that author doesn't know what he is trying to do and adding whatever he thinks make sense.
But again, I am no one to judge.
If Yanami not getting annoyed is character progression for you, then I really don't have to add much here. It has 3 main girls but the story is so fragmented, like it's totally good as a book with chapters, but not as a visual medium. The girls totally don't complement each other and their chemistry is totally different, with the MC and with each other.
I just feel the author is not at that level tbh, I don't wanna shame them or anything but the flow of the story is too random and unreal. Like the storage house scene between Nukkun and Lemon was out of place and not needed, I am not anti Ecchi but adding that element in this story which is primarily not Ecchi based is weird, again proving my point that author doesn't know what he is trying to do and adding whatever he thinks make sense.
But again, I am no one to judge.
@GodsTheGuy Makeine characters do have that much development, go look at the official relationship chart. However, that's not my first point, I was only talking about Nukumizu. I feel the opposite, and don't understand why you felt that way. This is just your assumption, Makeine is not that ecchi to the point of getting the ecchi genre, but its definitely doesn't shy away with the fanservices, and there's nothing wrong with that. That Lemon fanservice is 100% necessary. |
Yesterday, 2:37 PM
#75
I see what you're saying, but I think many of your complaints are creative choices that aren't necessarily bad. And they add to the charm for me. It's just turning out to be more of a slice-of-life than I (and most people, I think) expected, rather than a rom-com. It's a little jarring I admit, when the show also indulges in obvious tropes, dumb jokes, caricatures and fanservice, especially early in the season. Like a few others here, I disagree that there is no "character growth." Maybe there isn't one in the traditional romance/rom-com anime sense, but more in a slice-of-life sense? Characters still grapple with their own feelings and how to navigate the situations they are in. They talk things out. They don't "go through change" and "become a different person," but they feel "realistic" in a way, like they're normal, decent kids trying to find happiness and do the right thing, one day at a time. Despite their weird quirks. I don't think the show, as a slice-of-life/rom-com, is under obligation to do a lot of character development anyway, and I don't think it gave any indication early on that that's what we'd be getting. For now I'm just having a good time with these charming, well-animated, well-acted characters. As for Nukumizu, yeah he isn't that strong of a main character, but I don't think he's that bad. He's pretty reasonable and considerate, complaining when the situation calls for it, is smart enough to notice things but not show off like a know-it-all. He has good banter with all of the girls, which goes a long way. He's kind of a weird guy but feels natural, and most importantly, doesn't irritate me, like a lot of rom-com protagonists do. It probably won't be on people's minds that long, as you say, but it's one of the better shows this season for me. |
Yesterday, 3:21 PM
#76
So if I get this correct, what this whole thread boils down to is: "I am bored with this show as it does not meet my specific tastes, but rather than just moving on or watching things I actually like, I will go out of my way to post my grievences on a public forum in order to show the world my dissatisfaction in hopes of getting validation from strangers on the internet" Mate, what are you doing with your life .... |
10 hours ago
#77
Reply to N41X
So if I get this correct, what this whole thread boils down to is:
"I am bored with this show as it does not meet my specific tastes, but rather than just moving on or watching things I actually like, I will go out of my way to post my grievences on a public forum in order to show the world my dissatisfaction in hopes of getting validation from strangers on the internet"
Mate, what are you doing with your life ....
"I am bored with this show as it does not meet my specific tastes, but rather than just moving on or watching things I actually like, I will go out of my way to post my grievences on a public forum in order to show the world my dissatisfaction in hopes of getting validation from strangers on the internet"
Mate, what are you doing with your life ....
@N41X I thought that's the point of a forum, knowing about what other people feel about something. |
10 hours ago
#78
Reply to perseii
I see what you're saying, but I think many of your complaints are creative choices that aren't necessarily bad. And they add to the charm for me.
It's just turning out to be more of a slice-of-life than I (and most people, I think) expected, rather than a rom-com. It's a little jarring I admit, when the show also indulges in obvious tropes, dumb jokes, caricatures and fanservice, especially early in the season.
Like a few others here, I disagree that there is no "character growth." Maybe there isn't one in the traditional romance/rom-com anime sense, but more in a slice-of-life sense? Characters still grapple with their own feelings and how to navigate the situations they are in. They talk things out. They don't "go through change" and "become a different person," but they feel "realistic" in a way, like they're normal, decent kids trying to find happiness and do the right thing, one day at a time. Despite their weird quirks.
I don't think the show, as a slice-of-life/rom-com, is under obligation to do a lot of character development anyway, and I don't think it gave any indication early on that that's what we'd be getting. For now I'm just having a good time with these charming, well-animated, well-acted characters.
As for Nukumizu, yeah he isn't that strong of a main character, but I don't think he's that bad. He's pretty reasonable and considerate, complaining when the situation calls for it, is smart enough to notice things but not show off like a know-it-all. He has good banter with all of the girls, which goes a long way. He's kind of a weird guy but feels natural, and most importantly, doesn't irritate me, like a lot of rom-com protagonists do.
It probably won't be on people's minds that long, as you say, but it's one of the better shows this season for me.
It's just turning out to be more of a slice-of-life than I (and most people, I think) expected, rather than a rom-com. It's a little jarring I admit, when the show also indulges in obvious tropes, dumb jokes, caricatures and fanservice, especially early in the season.
Like a few others here, I disagree that there is no "character growth." Maybe there isn't one in the traditional romance/rom-com anime sense, but more in a slice-of-life sense? Characters still grapple with their own feelings and how to navigate the situations they are in. They talk things out. They don't "go through change" and "become a different person," but they feel "realistic" in a way, like they're normal, decent kids trying to find happiness and do the right thing, one day at a time. Despite their weird quirks.
I don't think the show, as a slice-of-life/rom-com, is under obligation to do a lot of character development anyway, and I don't think it gave any indication early on that that's what we'd be getting. For now I'm just having a good time with these charming, well-animated, well-acted characters.
As for Nukumizu, yeah he isn't that strong of a main character, but I don't think he's that bad. He's pretty reasonable and considerate, complaining when the situation calls for it, is smart enough to notice things but not show off like a know-it-all. He has good banter with all of the girls, which goes a long way. He's kind of a weird guy but feels natural, and most importantly, doesn't irritate me, like a lot of rom-com protagonists do.
It probably won't be on people's minds that long, as you say, but it's one of the better shows this season for me.
@perseii I really don't care much about it being SoL or Romance, as I thought this anime will be a joke on the losing heroine trope, like 100GF was for the Harem trope. I just feel writing is inconsistent and the character development reasons are too hollow and 2D, like Demon Slayer. Here characters get development like they are in a queue and have the same stage of happiness, drama, and then grief. You said characters "find out their way" but for me it's more like they act in ways so that the plot can advance itself. They don't have their own say but the action they take are too plot specific. Like I saw Lemon confessing her feelings in that episode a mile away because she had to do that for the sake of the story and the drama and her "character development". I just wanna say that the character arcs and the way these girls carry them out are too unnatural. Also, there is like no chemistry between the main girls, most top RomComs have amazing chemistry between then main casts, Toradora, Oregairu, etc. Maybe the biggest reason I feel the disconnect is because the girls are not like close with each other, but they will go to other's village to help them come out of depression. It's again just too plot focused where showing the "losing heroine" trope is more important than characters themselves. And Nuk-kun is a generic RomCom MC. My first RomCom anime was Nisekoi so I know about self insert MCs, not because of Raku but because of my #2 and #3 anime Toradora and Haruhi Suzumiya, both having strong MC. I don't need "hehe", "sigh" from my MC but someone who can take a stance, which Nuku did when the plot wanted him to (in E4 or 5 against Anna's crush) but then fell silent against Lemon's childhood friend because the plot didn't want him to. Even Tadano had a great character without being annoying, why not RomComs make MCs like him? |
9 hours ago
#79
No. In fact, it keeps on delivering and I'm always excited waiting for the next episode. |
6 hours ago
#80
Reply to GodsTheGuy
@perseii I really don't care much about it being SoL or Romance, as I thought this anime will be a joke on the losing heroine trope, like 100GF was for the Harem trope.
I just feel writing is inconsistent and the character development reasons are too hollow and 2D, like Demon Slayer. Here characters get development like they are in a queue and have the same stage of happiness, drama, and then grief.
You said characters "find out their way" but for me it's more like they act in ways so that the plot can advance itself. They don't have their own say but the action they take are too plot specific. Like I saw Lemon confessing her feelings in that episode a mile away because she had to do that for the sake of the story and the drama and her "character development". I just wanna say that the character arcs and the way these girls carry them out are too unnatural.
Also, there is like no chemistry between the main girls, most top RomComs have amazing chemistry between then main casts, Toradora, Oregairu, etc. Maybe the biggest reason I feel the disconnect is because the girls are not like close with each other, but they will go to other's village to help them come out of depression. It's again just too plot focused where showing the "losing heroine" trope is more important than characters themselves.
And Nuk-kun is a generic RomCom MC. My first RomCom anime was Nisekoi so I know about self insert MCs, not because of Raku but because of my #2 and #3 anime Toradora and Haruhi Suzumiya, both having strong MC. I don't need "hehe", "sigh" from my MC but someone who can take a stance, which Nuku did when the plot wanted him to (in E4 or 5 against Anna's crush) but then fell silent against Lemon's childhood friend because the plot didn't want him to. Even Tadano had a great character without being annoying, why not RomComs make MCs like him?
I just feel writing is inconsistent and the character development reasons are too hollow and 2D, like Demon Slayer. Here characters get development like they are in a queue and have the same stage of happiness, drama, and then grief.
You said characters "find out their way" but for me it's more like they act in ways so that the plot can advance itself. They don't have their own say but the action they take are too plot specific. Like I saw Lemon confessing her feelings in that episode a mile away because she had to do that for the sake of the story and the drama and her "character development". I just wanna say that the character arcs and the way these girls carry them out are too unnatural.
Also, there is like no chemistry between the main girls, most top RomComs have amazing chemistry between then main casts, Toradora, Oregairu, etc. Maybe the biggest reason I feel the disconnect is because the girls are not like close with each other, but they will go to other's village to help them come out of depression. It's again just too plot focused where showing the "losing heroine" trope is more important than characters themselves.
And Nuk-kun is a generic RomCom MC. My first RomCom anime was Nisekoi so I know about self insert MCs, not because of Raku but because of my #2 and #3 anime Toradora and Haruhi Suzumiya, both having strong MC. I don't need "hehe", "sigh" from my MC but someone who can take a stance, which Nuku did when the plot wanted him to (in E4 or 5 against Anna's crush) but then fell silent against Lemon's childhood friend because the plot didn't want him to. Even Tadano had a great character without being annoying, why not RomComs make MCs like him?
GodsTheGuy said: they act in ways so that the plot can advance itself I wouldn't say that, but this does make me realize that the show has this "ironic" tone, like "you know how this goes, let's cut to the chase." Of course we're gonna have a scene where the girl blurts out that she likes him and runs away embarrassed. Of course we're gonna have a scene where the girl lets him go so he can run towards his true love. Etc. etc. It's a little disjointed how they're just bringing up these tropey beats and then playing it straight, so I understand that things can feel hollow. I think it manages to be pretty entertaining and sincere within that structure, though. GodsTheGuy said: there is like no chemistry between the main girls That's fair. I kind of like the Komari-Lemon dynamic, but there really isn't much. For me, the show is making up for it with the interactions between Nukumizu and the girls. GodsTheGuy said: Nuk-kun is a generic RomCom MC. One person's "generic" is another person's "serviceable," I guess. I don't dislike Kyon from Haruhi, but he left almost no impression on me. Wasn't he also just pushed around by Haruhi's tyranny and the sci-fi shenanigans? He usually had this "I'm so done with this" attitude, and only really takes action when it becomes a pain or when literally the fate of the universe is at stake. (note that I haven't seen the movie) I feel like Nukumizu is about the same level. He does say things that need to be said, thinks things through, does run after people when they're upset. Even when he considers himself a background character. Also, I just want to point out that he didn't "fall silent" against Ayano. He was trying to navigate a delicate situation, as an unrelated third-party who doesn't even have the whole picture, and there was no urgent need to interrupt and "make a scene" like in Anna's case. The three parties were trying to reach a resolution by themselves anyway, and I liked those characters got the spotlight and Nukumizu only heard them out and gently nudged them. Lastly: GodsTheGuy said: Even Tadano had a great character without being annoying, why not RomComs make MCs like him? Do you mean Tadano from Komi-san? He's not annoying, but his only character trait is that he's nice, and while that works within the story, I really don't think he's a "great character." He's basically Tanjiro, without the extreme determination (and I like Tanjiro). |
6 hours ago
#81
no, it's only you, poor thing |
4 hours ago
#82
Reply to perseii
GodsTheGuy said:
they act in ways so that the plot can advance itself
they act in ways so that the plot can advance itself
I wouldn't say that, but this does make me realize that the show has this "ironic" tone, like "you know how this goes, let's cut to the chase." Of course we're gonna have a scene where the girl blurts out that she likes him and runs away embarrassed. Of course we're gonna have a scene where the girl lets him go so he can run towards his true love. Etc. etc.
It's a little disjointed how they're just bringing up these tropey beats and then playing it straight, so I understand that things can feel hollow. I think it manages to be pretty entertaining and sincere within that structure, though.
GodsTheGuy said:
there is like no chemistry between the main girls
there is like no chemistry between the main girls
That's fair. I kind of like the Komari-Lemon dynamic, but there really isn't much.
For me, the show is making up for it with the interactions between Nukumizu and the girls.
GodsTheGuy said:
Nuk-kun is a generic RomCom MC.
Nuk-kun is a generic RomCom MC.
One person's "generic" is another person's "serviceable," I guess.
I don't dislike Kyon from Haruhi, but he left almost no impression on me. Wasn't he also just pushed around by Haruhi's tyranny and the sci-fi shenanigans? He usually had this "I'm so done with this" attitude, and only really takes action when it becomes a pain or when literally the fate of the universe is at stake. (note that I haven't seen the movie)
I feel like Nukumizu is about the same level. He does say things that need to be said, thinks things through, does run after people when they're upset. Even when he considers himself a background character.
Also, I just want to point out that he didn't "fall silent" against Ayano. He was trying to navigate a delicate situation, as an unrelated third-party who doesn't even have the whole picture, and there was no urgent need to interrupt and "make a scene" like in Anna's case. The three parties were trying to reach a resolution by themselves anyway, and I liked those characters got the spotlight and Nukumizu only heard them out and gently nudged them.
Lastly:
GodsTheGuy said:
Even Tadano had a great character without being annoying, why not RomComs make MCs like him?
Even Tadano had a great character without being annoying, why not RomComs make MCs like him?
Do you mean Tadano from Komi-san? He's not annoying, but his only character trait is that he's nice, and while that works within the story, I really don't think he's a "great character." He's basically Tanjiro, without the extreme determination (and I like Tanjiro).
@perseii only thing I will say that you haven't watched the best part of Haruhi Franchise, which is literally the movie. Maybe that's why you don't remember Kyon, don't bother anymore as I will say rewatch the whole show and then only watch the movie as the movie is closely linked with the anime. Rest I think our likes are different. I like a believable ongoing storyline with characters doing a lot of things which is other than what they are supposed to do, like living their life, having different friend group, etc, and that's why I like Toradora or Oregairu. I also like character dynamics and the web of emotions it creates, which is missing when the characters only interact with the MC. Rest about Nukkun, he doesn't have his own character. I have read the Komi San Manga (not the latest chapters, as the author is milking the series) and Tadano is more than a nice guy, he doesn't fear to take action and change things and go against the "nice guy" trope when needed. Rest, I feel the plot is too rushed you know, many things happen in a said arc and the author keeps jumping over each sector (like drama and grief) abruptly in a span of 1 episode, which is fine if I was a teenager but seems too Drama filled for someone like me. If the same show showed more about the girls and their relationships and what they do everyday (like they treated other girls like they treated Anna), I would have really liked the show more. Also 6 episode per arc would be better than 2 episode per arc and rinse and repeat (3 arcs instead of 6-7 arcs). But again, it depends upon what type of storytelling you like. |
4 hours ago
#83
Not me tho... I enjoyed it more |
3 hours ago
#84
Reply to KWilke
Ha!
True though. I've felt this has stayed consistently good. Unlike Giji Harem and Alya which one started ok and became really good and the other relentlessly (I seem to be in the minority) hammering on fan service.
@KWilke I love Giji and find it so cute how they are dating. I really liked Alya when it first started but the election is really dull, i just like how she thinks his sister is trying to date him and find that funny. After love is war another another romance of rich people in a student concil seems a bit off. This show makes me belly laugh and i love the book reffences, also the two teachers are funny and i love how his sister is worried about him. |
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