Manually brute force hacking a cell phone has to be the dumbest thing I have ever seen in anime

Apr 26, 2023 7:13 PM

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I'm always telling people that some folks just take anime way too seriously so it's good to have nice reference material like this when a visual aid is required.
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Apr 26, 2023 7:15 PM

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What would I do? I would've done the same thing, but I would've given up. This guy on the other hand was so determined & blinded by rage and sadness.

Apr 26, 2023 7:41 PM

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Wym he breached the mainframe and is currently infiltrating the cellphone network tower by spoofing his location in order to encrypt the payload into the botnet as we speak 🙄

✨COMPUTERS✨

Apr 26, 2023 7:43 PM

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HonicaNatalie170 said:
the prologue is 82 minutes🥲 and the prologue is so sad😭

It wasn’t sad at all. Reincarnation is real so she just respawned as a baby somewhere else. 🙄🙄

Apr 26, 2023 7:55 PM

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Now that you mentioned it...
Senku rebuilding civilization in 2 years > Aqua cracking the code in 4 years

Would have been easier if he looked up on the internet if there are any other possible way to start up the old model of phone with an alternative battery, or searched if there are any place that sells the battery. Maybe he did that and they skipped showing it cause it's all for naught but skipping that made Aqua look so stupid.

But hey hey, let's give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he didn't want to try/experiment anything on the phone cause it might damage it and lose data right?

But holy moly, 4 years to crack the code, is he THAT unlucky to have not guessed the combination in say 2 years?

Better writing would be if somehow Aqua got some lead on what could be the passcode based on how he observed and how he's been with Ai. That would show us a better detective skills of this kid, and that he really has the potential to catch the mastermind. But meh... This scene just shows a very shallow relationship between the two characters and that Aqua is nothing but a fanboy.

Edit: Just to clarify, imo it's not Aqua's fault. It's the author's fault.

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Apr 26, 2023 8:06 PM

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crackdaddy said:
What else was h supposed to do. he was like 4 years old at the time. It's not like he could walk into a store and ask someone to crack the code for him, plus he kept that phone a secret from everyone.

This is the most reasonable and make sense answer actually. People really need to use their brain before commenting on something, duh.

Apr 26, 2023 8:08 PM

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animeIs4Children said:
Even more if you consider this dude (Aqua) is a 30-something years old DOCTOR that reincarnated lmao
He was close to 40 at the time...

Character is supposed to be "smart" too.

What do you think?
What would you do?

It's just my opinion but i think he know that it's not like he need the data on that phone asap, i think he just want to play safe, better than do something that can risk to damage the phone and losing all the data he need for his revenge.

Apr 26, 2023 8:13 PM

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It's just all edginess at the end of the day. Kinda fitting for the characters, tbh.

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Apr 26, 2023 8:16 PM

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he was a doctor .... so idk if he knew what engineering is 😂😂😂

Apr 26, 2023 8:17 PM

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Okay. Lets say that SOMEHOW. You are right about the "math" being off on this one plot point.

WHAT DOES THIS CHANGE ABOUT THE PLOT??????????

Keep scrolling

Apr 26, 2023 8:31 PM

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animeIs4Children said:
Even more if you consider this dude (Aqua) is a 30-something years old DOCTOR that reincarnated lmao
He was close to 40 at the time...

Character is supposed to be "smart" too.

What do you think?
What would you do?

You expect a kid that age to have all the equipment to professionally hack? Dude was trying to lay low that’s the only possible way he could have done it so nobody became suspicious of reincarnation. Have some common sense.

Apr 26, 2023 8:31 PM

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Rytakahashi09 said:

borderliner said:
Wow, this thread really attracted all the smart people...

Wrong.

Smart people would never even bother to open this thread, or even this site since it's full of trolls.

You got me there. I really love to slam dunk on idiots, so this is my bread and butter, but I'll admit it is super unproductive and the opposite of smart

Apr 26, 2023 8:32 PM

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Shiro_Kusaki said:

luckyowl10 said:
How else do you expect him to break the password of a basic phone? You can't hack that dumb phone, it's too basic, brute force is the only way...But there are smart ways to brute force by using combinations in a particular order to not try the same code more than once. 3 years to break a damn password is a strench for sure, that's the worst case situation, a few weeks-months s should have been more than enough.

It probably had a 4 digit password, which has 10000 maximum combinations. Considering a failed try gives 30 minutes cooldown, he would need 5000 hours to cover all combinations in the worst case situation. So if tried passwords for 5 hours a day (10 tries per day) it would take maximum 1000 days to cover all combinations, which is almost 3 years.

mhm and it was a 5 digit passcode in the anime
so that just makes it worse, but he did get it in 4 years tho

He literally said that the amount of digits were unknown he was guessing the amount as well

Apr 26, 2023 8:35 PM

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Yeah it’s pretty dumb.

But checking out some other anime on your anime list it looks like you’re used to suspending your disbelief. Stop with the bait posts bro, You have just as little of a life as the people who get angry at these since you make them.

Apr 26, 2023 8:41 PM

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pedronii said:
It's so funny to me how people say "just hack it" when they themselves don't even know how hacking even works lmao. Yes if we was an expert he could've carefully removed the memory and try to do something in his computer but he's a fucking doctor, the chances of him fucking it up and bricking the memory because he was impatient are high as fuck...

Y'all don't know shit about computers and think hacking is clicking one button and kaboom it's done

It doesn't take long to learn this stuff

What an ignorant thing to say. If you knew how much specialists charge for services like this you'd have an idea of how difficult it actually is, instead of just spitting nonsense. You kids have literally no idea of what hacking actually is.

Apr 26, 2023 8:46 PM

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HyroSan said:

Confused_100 said:
I don’t know who is defending this. But yeah this is one of the very poorly written scenes.

Is it the stupidest thing in anime history? Nope. Is it one of the stupidest though? Yes.

Edit: As I saw some responses, which don’t make sense and I really want to respond to them.

E.g: It’s written this way to show how desperate he is.

Answer: Then the writer could have made him see a set of numbers not all numbers but let’s say 4 of them (and he doesn’t remember the order) and he just tries all combinations, that would have showed how observant and desperate at the same time he is.

Another e.g: He is just a doctor, he wouldn’t know how to hack.

Answer: He doesn’t need to hack, the scene itself makes zero sense. It has nothing to do with his profession either. He could have just searched for another way to do it better. It’s just a writing problem. There’s no other way to spin/defend it.

You know what? If Aqua just used the internet first before brute forcing the passcode, this shouldn't be an issue

Really, this is a writing issue

Choose a random old flip phone. Any flip phone before the age of Android. Now google how to bypass a 5 digit passcode without a hard reset. Have fun. I'll wait here.

Apr 26, 2023 9:01 PM

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there's not really a smarter way to do it unless you whip out some EE skills and start dumping ROMs inside the phone, which would probably take the same 4 years it took him to brute force it. which would probably be a smarter idea overall because then he would know electrical engineering but it's a stretch to expect a grade schooler to even have access to the equipment for that.

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Apr 26, 2023 9:10 PM

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OK that's an old school flip phone, what can you do instead of trying every digit ? There is no software that can interfere and if there is, it is risky that it might erase all data and he is not even a technician in that aspect.

Apr 26, 2023 9:13 PM

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luckyowl10 said:
How else do you expect him to break the password of a basic phone? You can't hack that dumb phone, it's too basic, brute force is the only way...But there are smart ways to brute force by using combinations in a particular order to not try the same code more than once. 3 years to break a damn password is a strench for sure, that's the worst case situation, a few weeks-months s should have been more than enough.

It probably had a 4 digit password, which has 10000 maximum combinations. Considering a failed try gives 30 minutes cooldown, he would need 5000 hours to cover all combinations in the worst case situation. So if tried passwords for 5 hours a day (10 tries per day) it would take maximum 1000 days to cover all combinations, which is almost 3 years.

pretty sure its a 5 or 6 digit code so probably even longer assuming he didnt happen upon the right one

Apr 26, 2023 9:32 PM

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It isn't a anime based on hacking or technology,So spending time on write that thing down believeably or realisticly ain't necessery. So It didn't bothered me how he hacked the mobilie. Why he hacked the mobile wa enogh for me and that was believeable.

Apr 26, 2023 9:33 PM

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Tacsk0 said:
The obvious problem is that trying to enter passcodes continously would have worn out the flip phone's keypad sooner than 4 years, necessitating repairs on a really old device for which spare parts may well be unavailable.
(By the way, My Star's ED is sung by the same band who did Raven Consort anime's OP and the two tracks sound much similar.)

most realistic and sensible answer! i was trying to find a solution viable for mentally scarfed and broken people like Aqua ..

Apr 26, 2023 9:43 PM

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luckyowl10 said:
How else do you expect him to break the password of a basic phone? You can't hack that dumb phone, it's too basic, brute force is the only way...But there are smart ways to brute force by using combinations in a particular order to not try the same code more than once. 3 years to break a damn password is a strench for sure, that's the worst case situation, a few weeks-months s should have been more than enough.

It probably had a 4 digit password, which has 10000 maximum combinations. Considering a failed try gives 30 minutes cooldown, he would need 5000 hours to cover all combinations in the worst case situation. So if tried passwords for 5 hours a day (10 tries per day) it would take maximum 1000 days to cover all combinations, which is almost 3 years.

He did say that even he didn't know how long the password was , and it was actually 455110 or smth, which is 6 digits , i would say 3 years is fair enough given the no of possibilities fair enough

Apr 26, 2023 9:50 PM

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Actually, I don't know who is dumber, the OP or the scene... Just kidding. It's definitely the OP, lmao, who probably is just a hater trying to bash on the series.

For such old phones the only way to crack them is brute force. Even worse, the only way to input on them is manual, there's definitely a dead time between inputs (and usually some lock every couple few - usually 3 - misses), and the pin was shown to be 5 digit, which means there's pretty much 100000 possible combinations (100 tries per day means you need almost 3 years to do ALL the possibilities; 50 per day is reasonable for 4 years as described in the show). Sure, there are ways to brute force such that you increase the chances, but that doesn't necessarily help that much, since you can always get screwed by a pin that's just too random...

I guess all of this can be found with a few simple google searches, but OP couldn't bother for some reason?

Apr 26, 2023 9:58 PM

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Nah. Not the dumbest.

Kizuna AI literally promoted NFTs.

Apr 26, 2023 10:02 PM

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I definitely prefer this, it shows how psychotic and driven he is to kill his father, the eyes do a great job on portraying that, although it might be stupid it fits his character and i don’t imagine him doing anything.

Apr 26, 2023 10:02 PM

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luckyowl10 said:
How else do you expect him to break the password of a basic phone? You can't hack that dumb phone, it's too basic, brute force is the only way...But there are smart ways to brute force by using combinations in a particular order to not try the same code more than once. 3 years to break a damn password is a strench for sure, that's the worst case situation, a few weeks-months s should have been more than enough.

It probably had a 4 digit password, which has 10000 maximum combinations. Considering a failed try gives 30 minutes cooldown, he would need 5000 hours to cover all combinations in the worst case situation. So if tried passwords for 5 hours a day (10 tries per day) it would take maximum 1000 days to cover all combinations, which is almost 3 years.

Didn’t it mention he didn’t know how many digits it had? Unless it’s stated that the pasword had 4 digits, you shouldn’t just asume it. It could have had even 8 digits, or any other number too. As an idol Ai probablly had a very complicated password so no crazy fans break into her phone

Apr 26, 2023 10:16 PM

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animeIs4Children said:
Even more if you consider this dude (Aqua) is a 30-something years old DOCTOR that reincarnated lmao
He was close to 40 at the time...

Character is supposed to be "smart" too.

What do you think?
What would you do?

Just opened this thread in morning. I have seen the "Dumbest take of the day". Nothing can top this. It rivals the "dumbest take of the week" maybe that I have seen on internet.

So tell me smart guy, how will you do it ?

Apr 26, 2023 10:33 PM

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Apparently being a doctor makes you an expert in tech as well ?
Whats next son ? Are you gonna say a novel writer should be able to create methamphetamine in his backyard eh ?

Apr 26, 2023 10:34 PM

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HoesEatinDogFood said:

kabiskac said:

As someone said, the wear on the keypad would have been a huge problem. So you would take off the keypad and build a circuitry that bruteforces for you using the pads directly. You could attach a camera and write for example a python script with OCR which detects the response of the phone.

There is also the more technical way: you can either solder the EPROM off that contains the data and hope it's not encrypted or you can see if the microcontroller that contains the authentication logic is protected. If it is, then you can look up on the internet whether there are any exploits to get rid of it. Once you have read and write access to the firmware, you can reverse engineer it and modify the call to the part of assembly code that checks the password to always return "valid password".

Except aqua doesn’t know anything about this stuff.

He had 4 years to learn it.

Apr 26, 2023 11:01 PM

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Confused_100 said:

ktg said:

Can we stop assuming stupid things when we actually saw that it was 5 digit and the solution was 45510? And you even failed with the cd, because it was 30 secs and not mins.

If we go with his numbers. 100 half a day, 1000 a months. Assuming he had to go to school or whatever. Everyday doing this for half day, so trying out 100 would be good. It would take 455,1 day Which is a bit longer than a year.
But because you had 10 half a day time in a months (because he tried out 1000 a months), it means he did other stuff too. With that number it's 45.51 months. Which almost 4 years.

Realistically speaking the half a day number is pretty correct the cd would be 3000 sec, which is 500 mins, which is 8.333 hours. Typing it in, taking breaks etc is half a day. So I would say with a even a slow pacing, it could be done in 2 years.

It’s actually 100,000 because there are 10 possible numbers for each digit so 10^5. Also taking in logic that some phones actually lock themselves after a certain number of tries, this makes this nearly impossible to do. Also him just doing it with no notepad is concerning. As he would 100% not remember every combination.

Realistically, he would have already given up and tried something else but author didn’t know any other choices so he went lazy route. “He just kept trying”. But this is anime so I will let it slide.

However by this logic, 10 tries max per day. Let’s say he tried it every day, he would have tried only 3650 per year. So also by some calculations, this would take him around 27 years max, if he is super unlucky and it was in last combinations. The chances of him getting it in 3 years, is so low which makes zero sense.

Anyways I wanted to just show you real calculations here.

What on earth are you talking about? It's thirty SECONDS between tries, not thirty MINUTES. 45510*30 = 1,365,300 seconds, 22,755 minutes or 379.25. Going at 8 hours a day that's 47 days. Just a little over one hour a day for one year, or 15 minutes or so a day for 4 years.

Apr 26, 2023 11:05 PM

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SuccededHail said:
On this, a lot of people have the understand, Aqua was in preschool at this point. He doesn't really have any resources to utilize and he had trouble even getting the battery for the old phone. Not only that, he mentioned that Ai really was careful with regard to their secret, and as you can tell in ep1, Ai lies about EVERYTHING. There was nothing for Aqua to use as reference. He was also a doctor in his past life, which would not help in any capacity here.
As for his method to cracking it, it was just the most straightforward and obvious way of doing it since he had nothing to go off of, not even the number of digits. All he had to do was keep track of the number of times he attempted it, from 1 all the way to 45,510. The code itself likely has some significance too which may be used later. The scene shows well the lengths Aqua was willing to go for this.

Realistically, he could have just googled how to do it and figured out how to do low-level hardware hacking in for years time. Probably easier in the long run then trying all the numbers. Aka probably wanted to make something simpler so everyone could understand it.

Apr 26, 2023 11:54 PM

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I like how when an anime started to get popular, thread like thisthat nitpicking every.single.scene start to pop out everytime.

Don't you guys just think that he's a doctor in his past life with no knowledge of electricity if he want to try hacking? There's even the possibility that the memory will just got destroyed if he mess something up while trying to dissasemble the memory part. But yeah let's ignore all that and keep nitpick everything because this anime drown my favorite his season lol.

Apr 27, 2023 12:09 AM

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animeIs4Children said:
Even more if you consider this dude (Aqua) is a 30-something years old DOCTOR that reincarnated lmao
He was close to 40 at the time...

Character is supposed to be "smart" too.

What do you think?
What would you do?

Hmm, I didn't realize being a doctor automatically meant you could easily hack into a flip phone. Back in the day, a flip phone was a device that was notorious for being difficult to hack into. Hence why they were still widely used in Japan as the rest of the world began transitioning to smartphones. Aqua's struggle here is actually quite relatable. Lol

Apr 27, 2023 12:17 AM

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animeIs4Children said:
Even more if you consider this dude (Aqua) is a 30-something years old DOCTOR that reincarnated lmao
He was close to 40 at the time...

Character is supposed to be "smart" too.

What do you think?
What would you do?

Let me make this clear

He is in year 2006-09(in that moment) not that many hackers

He cannot afford the risk of twins going public, meaning he won't go to a hacker

He wants to work alone, no help from adult all alone.

Apr 27, 2023 12:20 AM

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OP acting like Dr.Stone doesn't exist. 💀

Speaking of dumb things, should watch watamote first.

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Apr 27, 2023 12:30 AM

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It pretty smart tbh. He can’t really go and get it unlocked by a store as they might find out it was Ai’s phone. The make is also too old to use an unlock machine thing.

God knows how he remembered which one he has already tried

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Apr 27, 2023 12:34 AM

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luckyowl10 said:
How else do you expect him to break the password of a basic phone? You can't hack that dumb phone, it's too basic, brute force is the only way...But there are smart ways to brute force by using combinations in a particular order to not try the same code more than once. 3 years to break a damn password is a strench for sure, that's the worst case situation, a few weeks-months s should have been more than enough.

It probably had a 4 digit password, which has 10000 maximum combinations. Considering a failed try gives 30 minutes cooldown, he would need 5000 hours to cover all combinations in the worst case situation. So if tried passwords for 5 hours a day (10 tries per day) it would take maximum 1000 days to cover all combinations, which is almost 3 years.

he didn't know how many digit password it was. it could have been 4 digit or 5 digit or 6 digit etc. and the cooldown was 30 seconds i think.

Apr 27, 2023 1:09 AM

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luckyowl10 said:
How else do you expect him to break the password of a basic phone? You can't hack that dumb phone, it's too basic, brute force is the only way...But there are smart ways to brute force by using combinations in a particular order to not try the same code more than once. 3 years to break a damn password is a strench for sure, that's the worst case situation, a few weeks-months s should have been more than enough.

It probably had a 4 digit password, which has 10000 maximum combinations. Considering a failed try gives 30 minutes cooldown, he would need 5000 hours to cover all combinations in the worst case situation. So if tried passwords for 5 hours a day (10 tries per day) it would take maximum 1000 days to cover all combinations, which is almost 3 years.

It had 5 digits with 9 possible numbers in each place. That's 193125 possible combinations if I'm not mistaken. If we consider him taking exactly 30 seconds for each try, it would take him about 16,276 hours to try all combinations. Even if he does only that 10 hours per day (which would be extremely difficult for a kid that age), it'd take him around 1627.6 days or 4.46 years to try all combinations. So it is pretty realistic I'd say.

Apr 27, 2023 1:30 AM

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I would have given up after 15th try

Apr 27, 2023 2:08 AM

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daiotaku said:

Confused_100 said:

It’s actually 100,000 because there are 10 possible numbers for each digit so 10^5. Also taking in logic that some phones actually lock themselves after a certain number of tries, this makes this nearly impossible to do. Also him just doing it with no notepad is concerning. As he would 100% not remember every combination.

Realistically, he would have already given up and tried something else but author didn’t know any other choices so he went lazy route. “He just kept trying”. But this is anime so I will let it slide.

However by this logic, 10 tries max per day. Let’s say he tried it every day, he would have tried only 3650 per year. So also by some calculations, this would take him around 27 years max, if he is super unlucky and it was in last combinations. The chances of him getting it in 3 years, is so low which makes zero sense.

Anyways I wanted to just show you real calculations here.

What on earth are you talking about? It's thirty SECONDS between tries, not thirty MINUTES. 45510*30 = 1,365,300 seconds, 22,755 minutes or 379.25. Going at 8 hours a day that's 47 days. Just a little over one hour a day for one year, or 15 minutes or so a day for 4 years.

So no incrementation or anything? You are saying Aka never used a phone before?

Apr 27, 2023 2:17 AM

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Confused_100 said:
I don’t know who is defending this. But yeah this is one of the very poorly written scenes.

Is it the stupidest thing in anime history? Nope. Is it one of the stupidest though? Yes.

Edit: As I saw some responses, which don’t make sense and I really want to respond to them.

E.g: It’s written this way to show how desperate he is.

Answer: Then the writer could have made him see a set of numbers not all numbers but let’s say 4 of them (and he doesn’t remember the order) and he just tries all combinations, that would have showed how observant and desperate at the same time he is.

Another e.g: He is just a doctor, he wouldn’t know how to hack.

Answer: He doesn’t need to hack, the scene itself makes zero sense. It has nothing to do with his profession either. He could have just searched for another way to do it better. It’s just a writing problem. There’s no other way to spin/defend it.

Bro just watch the actual show like damn. Ain’t gotta talk about something that’s shown in a 1 minute scene that changes basically nothing. If anything it displays Aqua’s godly persistence, it’s a scene that anyone can be intrigued with. For 4 literal years every day he was on the grind and figuring out the password. Not only that but the number has symbolism too and a short story named after it. Just watch the show and wait for what happens instead of nitpicking 1 scene

Apr 27, 2023 2:19 AM

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Nmasih8193 said:

Confused_100 said:
I don’t know who is defending this. But yeah this is one of the very poorly written scenes.

Is it the stupidest thing in anime history? Nope. Is it one of the stupidest though? Yes.

Edit: As I saw some responses, which don’t make sense and I really want to respond to them.

E.g: It’s written this way to show how desperate he is.

Answer: Then the writer could have made him see a set of numbers not all numbers but let’s say 4 of them (and he doesn’t remember the order) and he just tries all combinations, that would have showed how observant and desperate at the same time he is.

Another e.g: He is just a doctor, he wouldn’t know how to hack.

Answer: He doesn’t need to hack, the scene itself makes zero sense. It has nothing to do with his profession either. He could have just searched for another way to do it better. It’s just a writing problem. There’s no other way to spin/defend it.

Bro just watch the actual show like damn. Ain’t gotta talk about something that’s shown in a 1 minute scene that changes basically nothing. If anything it displays Aqua’s godly persistence, it’s a scene that anyone can be intrigued with. For 4 literal years every day he was on the grind and figuring out the password. Not only that but the number has symbolism too and a short story named after it. Just watch the show and wait for what happens instead of nitpicking 1 scene

And I said that he could have shown Aqua’s persistence better. I even said a better example. I also explained why it is almost impossible for him to do it, if we are talking logically and realistically. Like it however you want though.

Apr 27, 2023 2:24 AM

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animeIs4Children said:
Even more if you consider this dude (Aqua) is a 30-something years old DOCTOR that reincarnated lmao
He was close to 40 at the time...

Character is supposed to be "smart" too.

What do you think?
What would you do?

A doctor is trained in medicine not hacking. Most adults don’t know how to hack into devices sooooo

Apr 27, 2023 2:30 AM

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Confused_100 said:

daiotaku said:

Confused_100 said:

ktg said:

luckyowl10 said:
How else do you expect him to break the password of a basic phone? You can't hack that dumb phone, it's too basic, brute force is the only way...But there are smart ways to brute force by using combinations in a particular order to not try the same code more than once. 3 years to break a damn password is a strench for sure, that's the worst case situation, a few weeks-months s should have been more than enough.

It probably had a 4 digit password, which has 10000 maximum combinations. Considering a failed try gives 30 minutes cooldown, he would need 5000 hours to cover all combinations in the worst case situation. So if tried passwords for 5 hours a day (10 tries per day) it would take maximum 1000 days to cover all combinations, which is almost 3 years.

Can we stop assuming stupid things when we actually saw that it was 5 digit and the solution was 45510? And you even failed with the cd, because it was 30 secs and not mins.

If we go with his numbers. 100 half a day, 1000 a months. Assuming he had to go to school or whatever. Everyday doing this for half day, so trying out 100 would be good. It would take 455,1 day Which is a bit longer than a year.
But because you had 10 half a day time in a months (because he tried out 1000 a months), it means he did other stuff too. With that number it's 45.51 months. Which almost 4 years.

Realistically speaking the half a day number is pretty correct the cd would be 3000 sec, which is 500 mins, which is 8.333 hours. Typing it in, taking breaks etc is half a day. So I would say with a even a slow pacing, it could be done in 2 years.

It’s actually 100,000 because there are 10 possible numbers for each digit so 10^5. Also taking in logic that some phones actually lock themselves after a certain number of tries, this makes this nearly impossible to do. Also him just doing it with no notepad is concerning. As he would 100% not remember every combination.

Realistically, he would have already given up and tried something else but author didn’t know any other choices so he went lazy route. “He just kept trying”. But this is anime so I will let it slide.

However by this logic, 10 tries max per day. Let’s say he tried it every day, he would have tried only 3650 per year. So also by some calculations, this would take him around 27 years max, if he is super unlucky and it was in last combinations. The chances of him getting it in 3 years, is so low which makes zero sense.

Anyways I wanted to just show you real calculations here.

What on earth are you talking about? It's thirty SECONDS between tries, not thirty MINUTES. 45510*30 = 1,365,300 seconds, 22,755 minutes or 379.25. Going at 8 hours a day that's 47 days. Just a little over one hour a day for one year, or 15 minutes or so a day for 4 years.

So no incrementation or anything? You are saying Aka never used a phone before?

Have you ever used a flip phone from 20 years ago?

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Nmasih8193 said:

Bro just watch the actual show like damn. Ain’t gotta talk about something that’s shown in a 1 minute scene that changes basically nothing. If anything it displays Aqua’s godly persistence, it’s a scene that anyone can be intrigued with. For 4 literal years every day he was on the grind and figuring out the password. Not only that but the number has symbolism too and a short story named after it. Just watch the show and wait for what happens instead of nitpicking 1 scene

And I said that he could have shown Aqua’s persistence better. I even said a better example. I also explained why it is almost impossible for him to do it, if we are talking logically and realistically. Like it however you want though.

It's only "impossible" if you don't know the difference between minutes or seconds. Over 4 years it's literally 15-20 minutes a day, it's easily possible. You just can't do math for some reason.

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daiotaku said:

Confused_100 said:

And I said that he could have shown Aqua’s persistence better. I even said a better example. I also explained why it is almost impossible for him to do it, if we are talking logically and realistically. Like it however you want though.

It's only "impossible" if you don't know the difference between minutes or seconds. Over 4 years it's literally 15-20 minutes a day, it's easily possible. You just can't do math for some reason.

15-20 minutes a day, okay let’s try with the logic you presented:

20 minutes: means 1200 seconds, and then we need to know how many tries, divide it by 30. Gives us 40 tries max per day.

Now realistically, it’s impossible he can’t do that again as “incrementation” exists even in old phones. And even worse old phones had a kind of lock out which could remove all data. So Aqua didn’t try to even think that he could lose everything. Or author didn’t use a phone ever.

Is Aqua not “smart” or did author just get lazy and write it without even searching for one second on the internet? Which is it?

Apr 27, 2023 3:37 AM

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This thread still going? Still picking on a minor scene?
My take: It's a shorthand for a couple of things. First it gives you the information that in all this time he really was single mindedly focussed on revenge, so much that he tried to tediously crack a phone for four years. You can imagine that he really spend all of his years growing up thinking about Ai's death, without any personal growth outside of his revenge plan. It hammers home the point about his obsession. It also shows that he is kinda insane.
The author likely knew that this is inefficient, but it works as a symbol for Aqua's broken state of mind.

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Apr 27, 2023 4:15 AM

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he can't take it to a professional, he doesn't have the skills to do it himself, he can't ask anyone about it. only one way left. dumb is the person who thinks there is any other way for him. if there is kindly educate me.

Apr 27, 2023 5:04 AM

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If it's a old phone it must've a SIM card in which contacts are stored i.e Old phones didn't used to store Data in phone's memory, They used to store data in the SIM card itself, Which means that if you take that SIM out and plug in into another device you can just view your saved contacts, there's no need to unlock the phone, just take the SIM out. if i was there i would just do the same.

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animeIs4Children said:
Even more if you consider this dude (Aqua) is a 30-something years old DOCTOR that reincarnated lmao
He was close to 40 at the time...

Character is supposed to be "smart" too.

What do you think?
What would you do?

I don't really understand why you think it's dumb, He's a doctor not a programer. he's job doesn't give him the experience to hack. not only that, the phones is both basic and old. surprisingly the more complex something is, the easier it is to hack cause it could have more openings. so with a phone so basic and old, what else would you do?

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