[possible spoilers] does Eren deserve to be happy after what he did?

Badguy_oncel said:
well you could say that but what makes greater evil? Is it number of suffering or level of suffering?

Who is worse?

A guy killing 100 people in quick succession or a sadist painfully killing 10 victims by slowly torturing them?

deg said:

this is world level genocide though no greater evil than that on this planet

deg said:
this is world level genocide though no greater evil than that on this planet

Zekkenshin said:
I know you don't mean it this way, but allow me to interpret your statement in reverse - that there is no greater good than the preservation of one's race. In that sense, isn't Eren actually doing exactly that?

I only have one month left to LARP as a Yeagerist so I'm going to milk it.

Badguy_oncel said:
is it genocide though? It looks more like omnicide to me. He isnt targeting specific race but just killing almost all humanity, besides he isn't doing it deliberately and certainly not taking pleasure from it.

What he's doing is not justified but portraying it as greatest evil doesn't Have right ring to it

Zekkenshin said:
Not in AoT. The Eldians are a distinct people and that is biologically proven by their titan lineage. That is why they are targets for the rest of the world, not because of something like skin color or cultural differences.

deg said:

world level genocide is technically omnicide anyway

he said in the last chapter that even if his friends did not stop him he will still do the omnicide thats literally deliberate

Badguy_oncel said:
no context matters here, eren did rumbling because all other options will not bear fruit in long term.
If he didn't start rumbling sooner then whole world would've wiped out paradis. Remember the very 1sr epnof s4 proves titans aren't in invincible anymore.

The outside world represents early 1900's which means they were just few years behind nuclear bombs which they would've used to nuke paradis anyway.

deg said:

i already answered that to other users basically hate will lower over time at least 20-40 years when old generations full of hate dies while new generation grow up accepting more other races like what happen with japan and germany that started world wars that is a more realistic scenario

Badguy_oncel said:
nope, the main difference here is eldians can transform into titans. For ordinary people this is scary and percieve them as monsters. They feel secure if all of them will be wiped out.

Besides mini rumbling is garbage plan. You're literally showing outside world your race is a monster. It will only make things worse lmao

deg said:

so if humanity encounters advance space aliens then there likely is no hope for acceptance but only omnicide

there is no racism if there is only one race

kill all your enemies to be free

what a moral and political message

Badguy_oncel said:
stop twisting my words. Where did I say rumbling was right? Eren was cornered with no alternative for his race. The final season is all about morality vs selfishness.

So you're saying eren should've kept quiet when entire world was preparing to wipe them. Where is your morality now mister?

deg said:


i already answered this so the 50 year plan and even zeke plan is enough since in real life people do not care about kids future with global warming

Badguy_oncel said:
why are you bringing real life again and again?

Who said people do not care about kids? There's a certain religion where if you're a man you need to produce as much kids as you want.

Do you think global warming exist in aot? Heck the term global warming didn't even exist in early 1900's lol.

50 year plan doesnt work which I already answered earlier and zeke plan is even more garbage lol. You're saying a certain race should bow down like slaves and sacrifice their choice and freedom so that other race can enjoy.
My man that sounds like racist

deg said:


attack on titan is considered realistic fiction so obviously you can get moral and political message from it and compare it with real life

anyway youre in denial if eren did not mean kill all your enemies to be free his catchphrase i keep moving forward untill all enemies are destroyed says that too

omnicide is greater evil than simple genocide

Badguy_oncel said:
again with this greater evil thing. You're just ignoring why eren is doing omnicide and saying its evil without context. The way final season is written in such a way that you have no single answer. Both sides can counter each other argument.

Looks like were going in just circle, so let's end it here

deg said:


if hitler got a good pov story like eren im sure many will say hitler did nothing wrong

weighing evil with number of innocents killed is fair

Badguy_oncel said:
except Hitler was fucking racist, narcissistic maniac with superiority complex while eren was cornered to save his race.

Let's take a hypothetical scenario were you and your entire family will be killed, so that scientist can experiment with your bodies to find a cure for a virus for the greater good of world.

Will you take the offer?

deg said:


obviously not and the 50 year plan and zeke plan will at least save your immediate friends and family but not their own future families if they can

Badguy_oncel said:
so you want to be selfish? Screw all those eldian warriors, grisha and erwin sacrifice. You need to realise that will be anticlimactic and makes the show bleak. Remember it's just a fictional show meant for entertainment. So lets stop all these philosophical dilemma and just treat it as a show. No need for all real life comparision.

_Kitsuchi_ said:
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Well, he never really was happy, not even as a kid - he wanted freedom at that time too. All those circumstances he was living in weren't his fault and I am maybe thinking this about it in a very political way, but he did those things because there was no other choice.

Eldians were thinking about blending into the World outside, but there were a talk when it turned out that they are noticable because of their blood(?) and also the people outside Paradis wanted them to die and they made it pretty obvious. So he really didn't had anything else in his pocket to do to save his people apart what he did. They really tried to figure it out in a "safer" way, - when they found out that won't work was the time when he got drunk with the others and everything, had a good time together one last time. (I can't remember the exact episode now and how excatly it was, but I hope it's still makes sense.)

If the "big dogs" would actually tried to talk, accept the people from Paradis, he won't do what he did. His sacrifice took lives who didn't deserved it, but also the hate towards eldians took innocent lives too. People outside Paradis (the "big dogs" though, not every citizen since they didn't had much impact) literally made a whole race living in fear so they can feeling safe... So if I am thinking about it in this way, it wasn't really Eren's fault but the "big dogs" who controlled the World. I don't think Eren was worse, he was a victim of that system too, like the innocent lives he took.

So I think he deserved to be happy in his life, but if I would have been his friend and he would survived idk if I would be able to forgive him about what he did, even if I kinda tried to defend him or speak seeing both sides.