Kanojo mo Kanojo Episode 9 Discussion

PrincessPorcupin said:
All I'm gonna say is we do not stan a hoe who is oblivious to the concept of consent or the word "no", has previously cried rape and has no idea when she isn't wanted. That shit not cute nor funny. Saki and Nagisa and Naoya FTW.

PrincessPorcupin said:
All I'm gonna say is we do not stan a hoe who is oblivious to the concept of consent or the word "no", has previously cried rape and has no idea when she isn't wanted. That shit not cute nor funny. Saki and Nagisa and Naoya FTW.

MugenNoShirayuki said:


It's just a comedy you're not supposed to take it seriously right?

PrincessPorcupin said:


That's my point. It's supposed to be a cute and funny show about everyone involved being flustered by the concept of 1 guy, 2 girls. Ultimately there's consent in that, and it heightens everything, including the comedy. Nothing Milika does is cute or funny or endearing or even wanted by the other three. She's literally a waste of screentime.

PrincessPorcupin said:


That's my point. It's supposed to be a cute and funny show about everyone involved being flustered by the concept of 1 guy, 2 girls. Ultimately there's consent in that, and it heightens everything, including the comedy. Nothing Milika does is cute or funny or endearing or even wanted by the other three. She's literally a waste of screentime.

Thochu said:
Watching Naoya sometimes is just so painful....
I'm very excited for shino I think she's gonna be my next favorite, but there's no way she actually likes Naoya right? I can't imagine her being attracted to this guy, like... why

FinalFlash18 said:
Is Milika..
IS Milika the Nino of this anime?!

I always love female characters who are straightforward and have guts to say things that really matter before letting it dragged out to oblivion.

Ngl, I'm very surprised with the low rating this anime is getting rn. Everyone is fine with harem in ecchi and isekai shows but when a guy is dating two girls, it's suddenly bad in the books? Lmao. Anyway, the anime is supposed to be dumb and fun to enjoy. Disappointed to see people hating it.

MugenNoShirayuki said:


No, it's bad because it's bad.

MugenNoShirayuki said:


No, it's bad because it's bad.

FinalFlash18 said:

Bad in what sense exactly

MugenNoShirayuki said:


Let's start with consistency and go from there. With Naoya's established character, there should be no reason not to accept Mirika. He fell in love with Nagisa instantly because he didn't want to reject her pure and honest feelings, and Mirika proved that she was just as strongly in love with him. So if Naoya is consistent, then he should have immediately accepted her, regardless of how Nagisa and Saki felt about it. After all, he refused to let Saki object and decided that he would force her to accept the situation; the same Naoya should do exactly the same thing here.

SkyhighCFC said:


Well, you're just wrong here lad. Firstly, you can't just assume Naoya would accept Milika just because he accepted and fell in love with Nagisa. There are several reasons for this like:
1. The fact Milika and Nagisa have very different personalities
2. The fact both Saki and Nagisa don't like Milike, which is very different to when Nagisa joined the relationship because Saki actually liked Nagisa
3. He already had the mentality at this point that he's been selfish and asked to date both of them and doesn't want to push his luck anymore. The first time, he never even considered anything like this.

It's also very dishonest at best to say Naoya forced Saki into this relationship. Saki had the option of saying no from the beginning. In fact, she quite literally did until she realized how much she actually liked Nagisa and Naoya convinced her with his wacky persistence. So no...he didn't force Saki to accept the situation at all. She chose to go along with it. Saki and Nagisa would never choose to accept Milika into the relationship under the current circumstances. There's nothing likable about Milika from their perspective (and mine).

MugenNoShirayuki said:


1. Irrelevant to his stated intentions.
2. Irrelevant to his initial motivation. He chose to date Nagisa before he knew whether Saki was okay with it or not, how Saki felt about Nagisa was a nonissue in his decision to date her.
3. And yet, in spite of that mindset, he has not dumped Nagisa or Saki. So no, I would argue that he has NOT actually realized how selfish he is being, not in any tangible sense, and thus it makes no sense why he would not date Mirika.

He did force Saki to accept the situation. The proof of this is the fact that Saki STILL wishes that he wasn't two-timing her. He still has not "convinced" her like he promised he would.

SkyhighCFC said:


1. Weak rebuttal.

2. Even weaker rebuttal because there's a very key difference between the 2 situations. Before he brought up the idea with Saki, he didn't know whether she'd accept or deny it for sure. In the case of Milika however there's literally no question. Before Milika confessed, she was literally harassing them daily. I'm also pretty sure if Saki gave him an ultimatum to choose between her and Nagisa he'd pick Saki 9 times out of 10 considering he knew her longer and tried to get with her for so long. This being the case, it couldn't possible be a non issue for him whether Saki liked her or not.

3. This is actually a decent point to be fair, but again it's not reason enough for him to just decide to date Milika

And once again, he did NOT force Saki to do anything. The fact Saki still wishes he wasn't 2-timing is on her because she's the one who decided to accept this situation in episode 1, regardless of the circumstances. He fully acknowledges he hasn't convinced her and he's stated several times that he'd keep trying to find a way to do so. If Saki thinks he hasn't kept up his part of the bargain she could leave at any time, yet she still hasn't. Whose fault is that but her own? I'm not saying Naoya was right to even suggest the idea of 2-timing, but the fact he did and she accepted it is HER fault.

MugenNoShirayuki said:


1. Just because you find it weak doesn't make it inaccurate. Naoya was attracted to Nagisa because of her dedication. That was his entire reasoning for attempting to two-time her, he couldn't stand the thought of breaking her heart. Mirika has proven herself to be just as dedicated, if not moreso. So why does that notion of Naoya not wanting to hurt her not raised at all, if that was his determining factor without getting to know Nagisa at all? He fell for her immediately for her persistence, and felt that it would be a waste to dump her. Mirika should have been exactly the same.

2. No, he would not accept that ultimatum. He would reject that ultimatum in concept and FORCE Saki to be okay with it, as we saw him do in the very first episode. Naoya has proven that there is zero possibility of him dumping Nagisa or Saki for any reason.

And no, Naoya is the one at fault for strongarming Saki into the situation by providing her with the implicit ultimatum of "accept two-timing or dump me" because he never gave her the opportunity to say "no". When she said "no" he refused to accept it. When he knows full-well how weak to pressure Saki is and how much she's in love with him, how much choice she really has in this is basically none, as other characters will point out repeatedly. You can't actually be blaming Saki for Naoya being a scumbag and forcing her into the situation of "let me date Nagisa if you want to continue dating me".

SkyhighCFC said:


1. Yes Naoya was attracted to Nagisa for her dedication (and her looks but that also applies to Milika), and yes Milika has been as dedicated if not more so than Nagisa. But here's the issue. You're right that Naoya didn't want to turn down Nagisa because he thought it would be a waste and that he didn't want to hurt her feelings...but that's literally how he feels about Milika as well? So you're not actually making a point here. He literally apologized to Milika because he knew rejecting her would hurt her feelings (and he's also fully aware that if he doesn't stay away he'd probably fall for her)...but guess what. If he accepted Milika's feelings he'd be hurting both Nagisa AND Saki and that would be a 100% certainty, unlike the Nagisa situation.

2. Again, please drop the absolutely moronic notion that he forced Saki into a 3-way relationship. How can it be him forcing her when she had a say in the matter? If Saki was firm enough, there's no chance he'd drop her just to date Nagisa. Let's not forget he also loves Saki, probably even more so than she loves him (don't forget that it was stated he asked her to date him every month for several years). The 1st episode was Naoya somehow convincing Saki to go along with his foolish idea of a 3-way relationship. Was he wrong to bring it up in the first place? Absolutely. But was he wrong because Saki accepted it? No. She had a choice. It's actually insulting to her character to suggest she was forced into anything.

"And no, Naoya is the one at fault for strongarming Saki into the situation by providing her with the implicit ultimatum of "accept two-timing or dump me""

Is this meant to be a joke? In no part of the 1st episode did he give her this ultimatum or even suggest or imply it like you claim.

"because he never gave her the opportunity to say "no". When she said "no" he refused to accept it"

Is Saki so weak that she can't say no to a stupid proposal? Of course not. Again, this is insulting to her character.

"When he knows full-well how weak to pressure Saki is and how much she's in love with him, how much choice she really has in this is basically none, as other characters will point out repeatedly"

At that point in the show Naoya was literally more in love with Saki than she was in love with him, so this is a non-point.

"You can't actually be blaming Saki for Naoya being a scumbag and forcing her into the situation of "let me date Nagisa if you want to continue dating me"."

I can and will blame Saki for accepting his proposal when she knew full well she wasn't okay with it. Her loving him doesn't mean she's forced to follow his every desire. With this kind of backward thinking, we'd be encouraging young girls to stay in toxic relationships all in the name of "love". She had a choice to say no, whether you want to admit it or not. Naoya is not in the wrong for trying to uphold a relationship she willingly agreed to enter.

MugenNoShirayuki said:


You're the one advocating toxic relationships, not me. You're giving Naoya a pass for his toxic behavior because Saki is too weak to stand up to him.

MugenNoShirayuki said:


Let's start with consistency and go from there. With Naoya's established character, there should be no reason not to accept Mirika. He fell in love with Nagisa instantly because he didn't want to reject her pure and honest feelings, and Mirika proved that she was just as strongly in love with him. So if Naoya is consistent, then he should have immediately accepted her, regardless of how Nagisa and Saki felt about it. After all, he refused to let Saki object and decided that he would force her to accept the situation; the same Naoya should do exactly the same thing here.