Insert_name00 said: How is being homophobic supposed to correlate with Egotism? Ego is a sense of superiority and pride whereas a phobia is fear. So, how exactly can homophobic people be homophobic in ego? Also, I never said that there is a ship war in Sk8 rather I used it as a point of referencing the impact of a sub-genre or even a couple on a show as a whole. Plus, isn't this thread supposed to ask our opinion on what we think the direction of the show will be and whether it will affect it positively or negatively? I mean, why are people commenting about their opinion if this isn't the case?SPIDEY_rockzzzzz said: Affecting their homophobic egos IS a part of "affecting people", because scenes of bl will most likely enrage and disgust them as an impact. Also, the ship wars has nothing to do with bl in Sk8 The Infinity, because while ships are just relationships the fans want to happen, BL in an anime would be canon AND an actual relationship in the anime. There are people who ship Reki and Langa (The two MCs of Sk8), but no one really knows whether that ship is canon or not and their relationship can be seen as both platonic and romantic, hense the existence of this forum.You're right. Naruto and Bleach didn't have romance as a sub-genre, but the ship wars did happen. I meant "affect people" and not their homophobic egos. People will always vary in their levels of acceptance with respect to homosexuality. Yuri on Ice had Yuri in its name. It was like a gag for heterosexuals. Again, many enjoyed it and many didn't. Besides, this thread asked us to speak our mind and if Sk8 goes BL, then I'll take my leave since I haven't gone past episode 1. |
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swixzy said: I didn't outright say I hate homosexuals. I personally cannot stand them and I did say that there is a little too much support for homosexuality these days and it is tiring me out. I never said that homosexuals suck or anything like that. I just stated my opinion of why I won't watch this show if it goes in the BL direction. Also, the thread never mentioned anything about not speaking your mind and I did expect negativity, but I didn't expect to get into a debate with a guy who thinks I insulted a community whereas all I did was state that I can't stand them.SPIDEY_rockzzzzz said: How is being homophobic supposed to correlate with Egotism? Ego is a sense of superiority and pride whereas a phobia is fear. So, how exactly can homophobic people be homophobic in ego? Also, I never said that there is a ship war in Sk8 rather I used it as a point of referencing the impact of a sub-genre or even a couple on a show as a whole. Plus, isn't this thread supposed to ask our opinion on what we think the direction of the show will be and whether it will affect it positively or negatively? I mean, why are people commenting about their opinion if this isn't the case? i feel like this all would've gone very differently if you had originally said "i don't like bl and won't watch if it goes in that direction" or something similar but instead you outright said you hate homosexuals. you didn't state your opinion on bl (a work of fiction) you stated your opinion on an entire community of real people. you can't possibly be stupid enough to think no one would get upset over that, right? you said something very controversial and very harmful to an entire group of people, when you could've just said that you don't want the show to contain elements of bl, like other people did. i'm not telling you to censor yourself or lie or whatever, but you must've seen this coming, right? |
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swixzy said: "Can't stand" has many specifications whereas "hate" is clearly aggressive.SPIDEY_rockzzzzz said: I didn't outright say I hate homosexuals. I personally cannot stand them and I did say that there is a little too much support for homosexuality these days and it is tiring me out. I never said that homosexuals suck or anything like that. I just stated my opinion of why I won't watch this show if it goes in the BL direction. Also, the thread never mentioned anything about not speaking your mind and I did expect negativity, but I didn't expect to get into a debate with a guy who thinks I insulted a community whereas all I did was state that I can't stand them. bro "hate" and "can't stand" are synonyms. they mean exactly the same thing. |
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swixzy said: Tolerance level does not equal to hate and the former is what I meant. Bigoted opinion...... so, stating personal opinions is bigotry if it is harming someone when irl that wasn't my intention. It was just to give my honest feelings about a direction. Hateful reaction would make sense on a hate comment, but I digress. Besides, debates are executed with a certain level of respect for the opposition. Anyways, it was nice debating with you 2 and it gave me a sense of what misunderstandings can a person get if an opinion is stated honestly which is why I'll try to steer clear of everything LGBTQ. Have a nice day๐๐SPIDEY_rockzzzzz said: "Can't stand" has many specifications whereas "hate" is clearly aggressive. alright sure, but saying "i can't stand [x demographic of people]" has a pretty hateful and aggressive connotation, no? but anyways, i don't really feel like arguing with a guy who clearly won't budge on his bigoted "opinion" so i'll just leave it here. all i have to say is, you can speak your mind, but don't say something hateful and reactionary if you're expecting people to just politely disagree, because they won't. |
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Bernrika said: quercifolia said: They tease a kiss, but it's magically cut off by a scene change. It wasn't magically cut off, it was censored, by the director's own words. And why would you need to show a kiss anyway? Most anime characters don't even kiss. Does it matter if it's censored? Them being in love can be one interpretation, but it is NEVER actually confirmed at any point, nor denied. Which is frustrating. That's because you don't need to "confirm" it, you just need to actually watch the show. "exceptionally great bait" lmao. Maybe it's just gay and those characters who are clearly in love are in love. 1. Censorship via a scene being cut off, is indeed a tease. 2. Most straight romance anime would confirm it with a kiss or attempted kiss, and making intentions obvious as a kiss. Not this dubious crap we get for any anime that seems like it could be even remotely "gay" Yes, it is queerbaiting, because the author or director or whoever, could easily flip and say "Oh it's up to your interpretation" or "they're just close friends", and it's annoying. Because there are literally 100's of romance anime that confirm there is romance... What's the difference? it's straight and not gay. Or, it's yuri and being used as a "sexy lesbian fetish" fanservice trash. how to do MLM right: example being: Given actually shows they're in love actual kisses, flirting, romance fairly mainstream anime Not this wishy washy vague "well maybe it is, maybe it's not, lawl" And yes, I did watch yuri on ice, and enjoyed it. You should really look at people's list before claiming they didn't watch something... |
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quercifolia said: Bernrika said: It wasn't magically cut off, it was censored, by the director's own words. And why would you need to show a kiss anyway? Most anime characters don't even kiss. Does it matter if it's censored? That's because you don't need to "confirm" it, you just need to actually watch the show. "exceptionally great bait" lmao. Maybe it's just gay and those characters who are clearly in love are in love. 1. Censorship via a scene being cut off, is indeed a tease. The kiss happen, you just aren't show it. It's not a "tease". Especially when the author had one intention that was censored. What do you think even happen in that scene? 2. Most straight romance anime would confirm it with a kiss or attempted kiss, and making intentions obvious as a kiss. Not this dubious crap we get for any anime that seems like it could be even remotely "gay" Dubious what? It's obvious a kiss, everything about the framing is a kiss. Many straight shows don't show kiss or obfuscate it all the time, see CLAMP. Yes, it is queerbaiting, If you genuinely think the characters in Yuri on Ice are straight you lack of reading and compression. because the author or director or whoever, could easily flip and say "Oh it's up to your interpretation" or "they're just close friends", and it's annoying. Because there are literally 100's of romance anime that confirm there is romance... What's the difference? it's straight and not gay. Or, it's yuri and being used as a "sexy lesbian fetish" fanservice trash. The difference is that straight romance is not subjected to censorship. Also I assume the difference is that people like you watch straight romance and don't' think they are being "tricked". Did you pay attention to Yuri on Ice dialogs? Because the worlds love and the sexual aspect of their relationship is very prominent. how to do MLM right: example being: Given actually shows they're in love actual kisses, flirting, romance fairly mainstream anime Hey, it's another one with Given. Why is Given the only show people like you ever mention? Given is based on a manga that is run on a magazine that publishes gay porn. Do you understand this? There is literally gay porn on the magazine Given. It's a magazine written by women for women who wanted to read gay porn. There is nothing courageous or innovative about Given, they picked a BL manga and adapted it, they have been doing it for 20 years now. https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=97317 There is literally porn on Given magazine: https://www.mangaupdates.com/publishers.html?pubname=Cheri+%2B Also no, Given is not "mainstream". Not this wishy washy vague "well maybe it is, maybe it's not, lawl" And yes, I did watch yuri on ice, and enjoyed it. You should really look at people's list before claiming they didn't watch something... You clearly where watching with your eyes closed: https://i.imgur.com/19hm7oA.jpg The problem with people like you, and I don't mean it as an offense, don't fundamentally understand how the industry work, especially in 2016. And I can say it that because you use Given as an example of a show being "courageous" when it's a literal adaptation of a BL manga that runs on a porn magazine. What's the next, Boku no Pico is stunning and brave? Do you understand BL adaptations are something have been happening for years, yes? Do you think Junjou Romantica is M/M done right? It literally does the same thing as Given. You should compare Yuri on Ice with an actual ANIME ORIGINAL. |
LegitChair142 said: I'm not interested in seeing a BL. I have nothing against the series: I simply do not want to see two men kissing because it is not to my liking, period. I will not demand that they conform to my tastes: I will just ignore this series and hope that it does well in sales so that fans of this can enjoy more works like that. Since when did they kiss |
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LegitChair142 said: If this is not "Fujobait" as they have debated, then it is a matter of time. And if it's just going to be a confession, then that still doesn't change my opinion. If I can't tolerate it in Shoujo or one of my favorite series, imagine yourself in this series. But it's finished I watched all 12 eps and they don't love each other at all |
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MilkShakeT said: LegitChair142 said: If this is not "Fujobait" as they have debated, then it is a matter of time. And if it's just going to be a confession, then that still doesn't change my opinion. If I can't tolerate it in Shoujo or one of my favorite series, imagine yourself in this series. But it's finished I watched all 12 eps and they don't love each other at all Sk8 is finished? No it's not. There is one more episode left. And Langa's heart literally beats for Reki. And what are hearts associated with? โค |
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Old_School_Akira said: Sk8 is finished? No it's not. There is one more episode left. And Langa's heart literally beats for Reki. And what are hearts associated with? โค So it's a lie that there are only 12 eps mk Yep that's what happened Langa beats because he is in love with Reki instead of what it obviously implied. If you think playing with a friend should never be more fun and thrilling... |
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MilkShakeT said: It hasn't been confirmed whether they actually have feelings for each other or not, Langa's feelings towards Reki is up for debate, but I do think Langa do like Reki in that way. Just have to wait and see if the director will confirm it after the show ends.Old_School_Akira said: Sk8 is finished? No it's not. There is one more episode left. And Langa's heart literally beats for Reki. And what are hearts associated with? โค So it's a lie that there are only 12 eps mk Yep that's what happened Langa beats because he is in love with Reki instead of what it obviously implied. If you think playing with a friend should never be more fun and thrilling... |
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Bernrika said: The kiss happen, you just aren't show it. It's not a "tease". Especially when the author had one intention that was censored. What do you think even happen in that scene? 2. Most straight romance anime would confirm it with a kiss or attempted kiss, and making intentions obvious as a kiss. Not this dubious crap we get for any anime that seems like it could be even remotely "gay" Dubious what? It's obvious a kiss, everything about the framing is a kiss. Many straight shows don't show kiss or obfuscate it all the time, see CLAMP. Yes, it is queerbaiting, If you genuinely think the characters in Yuri on Ice are straight you lack of reading and compression. because the author or director or whoever, could easily flip and say "Oh it's up to your interpretation" or "they're just close friends", and it's annoying. Because there are literally 100's of romance anime that confirm there is romance... What's the difference? it's straight and not gay. Or, it's yuri and being used as a "sexy lesbian fetish" fanservice trash. The difference is that straight romance is not subjected to censorship. Also I assume the difference is that people like you watch straight romance and don't' think they are being "tricked". Did you pay attention to Yuri on Ice dialogs? Because the worlds love and the sexual aspect of their relationship is very prominent. how to do MLM right: example being: Given actually shows they're in love actual kisses, flirting, romance fairly mainstream anime Hey, it's another one with Given. Why is Given the only show people like you ever mention? Given is based on a manga that is run on a magazine that publishes gay porn. Do you understand this? There is literally gay porn on the magazine Given. It's a magazine written by women for women who wanted to read gay porn. There is nothing courageous or innovative about Given, they picked a BL manga and adapted it, they have been doing it for 20 years now. https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=97317 There is literally porn on Given magazine: https://www.mangaupdates.com/publishers.html?pubname=Cheri+%2B Also no, Given is not "mainstream". Not this wishy washy vague "well maybe it is, maybe it's not, lawl" And yes, I did watch yuri on ice, and enjoyed it. You should really look at people's list before claiming they didn't watch something... You clearly where watching with your eyes closed: https://i.imgur.com/19hm7oA.jpg The problem with people like you, and I don't mean it as an offense, don't fundamentally understand how the industry work, especially in 2016. And I can say it that because you use Given as an example of a show being "courageous" when it's a literal adaptation of a BL manga that runs on a porn magazine. What's the next, Boku no Pico is stunning and brave? Do you understand BL adaptations are something have been happening for years, yes? Do you think Junjou Romantica is M/M done right? It literally does the same thing as Given. You should compare Yuri on Ice with an actual ANIME ORIGINAL. 1. If a kiss happens but it is not shown, yes, that's a tease. Unless you see it, it's a damn tease. 2. I never said they are straight or otherwise. I said that it is NEVER CONFIRMED!!! EVER!!! in the anime and therefore, it is bait of the highest tier. I, personally, think they're all gay af. But that's not exactly stated in the show. "people like you" "people like you" People like me... You mean, fans of Yaoi, slash and M/M romances? Is that supposed to mean omething? Also, yes, SOME "straight" shows don't show the direct kiss either. But it's very telling that the only yaoi series that show kisses, are published in magazines with PORN. Almost as if Japan hates gay males? As if they're homophobic? Some straight anime are teases, some are not. 99% of yaoi anime is teases unless it's based from porn. Also, yes, Given is fairly mainstream. It topped the charts on Anime Trending which is one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) anime charts website in the west. Given was in the top 10 for nearly it's entire run. And for several weeks, was #1 on the list. So during that season it was, indeed, incredibly popular. "You should compare Yuri on Ice with an actual ANIME ORIGINAL." The issue is not anime originals but rather whether YOI is Yaoi or not. I think it is very gay but it is also baiting to the highest level. "What's the next, Boku no Pico is stunning and brave?" So, you like Boku no Pico? "Do you think Junjou Romantica is M/M done right?" Maybe when I was 14, these days, I can recognize that in episode 01-02 it's basically fetishizing rape / dub-con. Do YOU think that is M/M done right? Also, JR is nothing like given. Given is, from what I've seen, NOT promoting rape as being sexy. shocker! PS Your image of teasing shots is nice. But that's all it is. Teases. There is a reason Yuri on Ice is not of the Yaoi genre, no matter how much you and I might want it to be!! Because NOTHING EVER HAPPENS! |
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