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| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| btw > Quetzalcoatl is generally assumed to be a male deity, but Mesoamerican gods actually manifest by possessing a host and therefore have no real defined gender. The current body was one of its hosts at some point in the past and the party speculates that a female body was chosen for this summon due to Quetzalcoatl being associated with Venus. There's still room for being a gender bender even so, though, because she may be the legendary Toltec king Quetzalcoatl from the tenth century. when was that last line ever stated can i get a source link for it thx |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Just watched episode 20 raw. I have a lot of things to say, especially the focus Ritsuka got, but I'll wait for the subs before saying more. Although, Babylonia is, for all intents and purposes, is done in this episode. Next episode will have to be 90% original content. Official art for the episode by the main animator:  |
astroprogsMar 14, 2020 8:53 AM
| Is it good animation wise at least? |
| Yeah. The animation isn't one of this episode's problems IMO. It's not on the level of episodes 8 or 18. It's more or less on par with episode 19. |
the onlhy thing i retain from this episode translation here https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2590735 |
kei78Mar 14, 2020 9:50 AM
| bruh |
| Saw it. Good moments in a disappointing climax. Fujimaru isnt the problem tho.Unlike other scenes he didnt steal lines of other characters. They should have cut the OP and give Gil his speech. The Tiamat & Fujimaru convo was pointless without it. Even if they add it later, him casually explaining Tiamat to Mash and Fujimaru, Tiamat is still left without an answer. Amazing Enuma Elish but no theme? come on... |
| with people losing some screw due to coronavirus, it is the perfect tming to release aTiamama banner next week |
| bruh |
| Man, I am not a fan of how they changed things around in this episode. King Hassan's arrival onwards should have been a full-on high-intensity sprint to the finish. In an effort to fill time and make the fight more "dramatic", they pretty much destroyed the pacing of Babylonia's finale. The Lahmu were supposed to show how badass KH was, not serve as this huge big roadblock. Gill arriving should have signalled the end of the fight, but the whole Nega-Genesis crap took way too much time to resolve, all because they needed bland MC-man to do a thing. And Enuma Elish felt flaccid as fuck (also they made it into a beamu instead of a giant "fuck you" wall of swirling destruction. The Prillya movie honestly was somehow the best at capturing that). I like that we now know Tiamat is capable of sentient thought when she's not going AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA at least. Now I'm a little bit tempted to roll for her should her banner come. But man, fuck this episode. The last episode should have been stretched longer while the contents of this episode should have been condensed. |
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| Honestly, I agree. This was kind of an underwhelming episode. I absolutely fucking loved the Tiamat & Fujimaru convo, but I can't help to feel that it's wasted. The emotion behind it was well-executed and this is something that I think SHOULD have been in the game itself. However, the issue is that they cut literally every single scene depicting Tiamat's grief and desire to be with her children from the game prior to this. It'd have been really nice if they kept the dream sequence from earlier in the chapter where Fujimaru experiences and connects to Tiamat's grief, and Mashu's somewhat gloomy tone when they first ''destroyed'' Tiamat and her saying that she was most likely sealing herself to protect her children from herself, Tiamat calling out Kingu's name to show that she still loves and cares about him, etc. If they kept all that and ended with this convo scene, it'd have been all the more hard-hitting and proper for the finale for the fight. Merlin just reiterating what's said in Tiamat's profile isn't really a good enough replacement for that. |
| Ah yeah. Give me that ear raping Enuma Elish. So good. |
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AirConditioner said: Or just Gil's speech.Honestly, I agree. This was kind of an underwhelming episode. I absolutely fucking loved the Tiamat & Fujimaru convo, but I can't help to feel that it's wasted. The emotion behind it was well-executed and this is something that I think SHOULD have been in the game itself. However, the issue is that they cut literally every single scene depicting Tiamat's grief and desire to be with her children from the game prior to this. It'd have been really nice if they kept the dream sequence from earlier in the chapter where Fujimaru experiences and connects to Tiamat's grief, and Mashu's somewhat gloomy tone when they first ''destroyed'' Tiamat and her saying that she was most likely sealing herself to protect her children from herself, Tiamat calling out Kingu's name to show that she still loves and cares about him, etc. If they kept all that and ended with this convo scene, it'd have been all the more hard-hitting and proper for the finale for the fight. People tend to take whatever comes out of the mouth of Archers as truth(based on UBW at least) and for once it was true. |
| Yup, you guys pretty much captured my thoughts. This episode is a real mixed bag for me. King Hassan removing Tiamat's final layer of immortality didn't look as hype as one imagines it. No reference to Azrael. The Lahmu skirmishes devolved into a filler DBZ movie fight. You know, the one with the henchmen before Goku faces the actual villain. Replace Gohan, Krillin and Picolo with Ishtar, Eresh and Merlin, and you get 50% of this episode. Gil's return isn't nearly as hype as it should've been. Wasted potential right there. The Ritsuka run is meh in terms of story and hogs the spotlight for way too much runtime of the episode, even if it's animated beautifully. King Hassan was done dirty. Like seriously. Eresh's death gets added to the list of rushed death that don't pay off emotionally as they should've, alongside Kingu and Ana!Gorgon. The Tiamat is speech is way too little, way too late. Finally, Enuma Elish. Is. Not. A. Fucking. Kamehame. Beam. The pacing is fucked. Episode 19 felt rushed and 20 was filled with literal filler and stretching of events to meet the 20-min quota. I don't know what happened with the direction there, but way too many baffling decisions were made this time. A 6.5/10 episode for me, honestly. |
| I dont feel KH was done dirty at all. For once it reminded me that he is a Hassan and proper sword fighting isnt his only thing. |
| At least Jaguarman isn't here. |
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ssjokg said: I dont feel KH was done dirty at all. For once it reminded me that he is a Hassan and proper sword fighting isnt his only thing. KH is an entity that you feel equates absolute death. Just look at his NP. He just stands there, and the opponent dies. I never got these vibes from this episode. He jumps a lot, points his sword at Tiamat and suddenly she's mortal, headbutts a Lahmu and steps on it. That's literally all he does in this episode. |
astroprogsMar 14, 2020 10:45 AM
| I agree with KH. I don't particularly care about him, but the removing of immortality strike really didn't have as much of a satisfying impact as one would have thought or hoped. I thought the part where he devours the Lahmu was cool as fuck though. I also don't mind this episode being ridden with anime original content... or I wouldn't have in the case that the fight was more Tiamat action and not Lahmu shit. Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I kinda realize that the only part I actually liked was the Tiamat convo. Cool addition; it allows Tiamat to let go of her resentment towards Humanity and lays groundwork for her re-summoning during LB in her aspect as the Protector of Humanity instead of a Beast. |
astroprogs said: headbutts a Lahmu and steps on it He was... eating it... actually.... |
| Sure no amazing slash that carries the concept of death was a letdown but he dominated the Lahmus. |
| Him eating the gross bug people was kinda weird. But it was pretty metal, so fuck it, I'll allow it. Also I just realized that Bland MC-man's dagger was supposed to be proto-Rule Breaker. More Heaven's Feel parallels I guess. |
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-Sherou- said: When was that info given?Him eating the gross bug people was kinda weird. But it was pretty metal, so fuck it, I'll allow it. Also I just realized that Bland MC-man's dagger was supposed to be proto-Rule Breaker. More Heaven's Feel parallels I guess. Rule Breaker didnt even exist in Medea's time, it is a NP that was created based on her legend. And Tiamat wasnt using any contract like spells. |
| KH vs Lahmu was pretty metal. The way the Lahmu inflict mortal wounds on him and start jeering at his ''death'' only for him to casually shrug off his wounds by patching them up with some blue flames and then ominously letting his face cloth fall off so he starts ripping the Lahmu apart with his teeth was a really good showcase of how much of a monster KH is. |
ssjokg said: -Sherou- said: When was that info given?Him eating the gross bug people was kinda weird. But it was pretty metal, so fuck it, I'll allow it. Also I just realized that Bland MC-man's dagger was supposed to be proto-Rule Breaker. More Heaven's Feel parallels I guess. Rule Breaker didnt even exist in Medea's time, it is a NP that was created based on her legend. And Tiamat wasnt using any contract like spells. I could be wrong. It was just the curved shape and the fact that it dispelled Nega-Genesis for some bizarre reason. Gil's armory reflects the prototype of any human knowledge anyways, so even if the NP itself is unique to her, he could have the prototype of the idea of "dagger that dispels shit" The other explanation is that it's just a dumb shitty filler plot dagger that's only ability was to make MC-man waste run time. |
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-Sherou- said: ssjokg said: When was that info given? Rule Breaker didnt even exist in Medea's time, it is a NP that was created based on her legend. And Tiamat wasnt using any contract like spells. I could be wrong. It was just the curved shape and the fact that it dispelled Nega-Genesis for some bizarre reason. The other explanation is that it's just a dumb shitty filler plot dagger that's only ability was to make MC-man waste run time. RB is specific about breaking contract like spells. If it could dispell anything then it would be an amazing anti Servant NP. |
-Sherou- said: The other explanation is that it's just a dumb shitty filler plot dagger that's only ability was to make MC-man waste run time. Sounds about right. |
| Rule Breaker can negate anything with a sustained magic formula by dispelling said formula. It doesn't have to be contract specific. |
AirConditioner said: Isnt that what a contract is?Rule Breaker can negate anything with a sustained magic formula by dispelling said formula. It doesn't have to be contract specific. |
| It's a case of ''all contracts are sustained magic formulas, but not all sustained magic formulas are contracts''. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NEZzQsil7Zgkajr6ESYIoW1JNN6aeBuG4kE2SZWghXw/edit I just like how people were always clinging to the "destroys any magecraft" thing. But then it turns out that the hakai wasn't the hakai that means destruction, but rather the hakai that means (surprisingly!) "rule breaking". And that it can rule break every magic in stuff it targets, but the only valid targets are two types of magic. (Three in the game. She's getting weaker!) (Forum Source) - Medea says it can nullify every magecraft. Her character profile specifies that it nullifies sustained magecraft. Which brings you back to strengthened items, contracts, and magical lifeforms. (Forum Source) - https://twitter.com/Fate_SN_Anime/st...77032386334721 『破戒すべき全ての符』と書いてルールブレイカー。 発動している魔術式を反故にする宝具。殺傷能力はないが、使い方次第でこのように戦局を大きく変えられる。 なに、真名発動がなかった？ アニメなのでそこは流せ。 [奈須] #fate12 Holy shit, so you do need to invoke Rule Breaker for it to work. Last part is nasu saying that the true name wasn't released because it was an anime so whatever. And clarification or rather mechanism on that CM2 list of the stuff it works against. It nullifies magical formulas thereby destroying whatever. CM3: Magic formula Something included in a magic foundation and in which the function of magic is recorded. The magus sends a command to the magic formula, puts magic power into it, and thereby activates the function of magic incorporated into the formula in advance. (Forum Source) - The rule breaker thing is more about the mechanism. Say you have a golem and you use rule breaker now. We now know that when you stab the golem with rule breaker the Magic formula behind the golem is nullified and that's why it's just a pile of rocks. Before we knew what rule breaker did but not how it did it. Also you need to say rule breaker when you're using rule breaker. |
| I dont remember Shirou saying Rule Breaker in HF. It still isnt clear for me. What is a magic formula and what isnt? Does a pillar of fire that comes out of the hand count? A Mystic Code? A Servant? |
Kaiser-chan said: At least Jaguarman isn't here. She's a shitty comic relief character, why did nasu even come up with this sorry excuse for a servant? Also, medea should've killed taiga in the UBW route. |
| Imagine introducing Jaguarman into the story only to forget she actually exist cuz she that bad. 10/10 |
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| Oh hey I wanted to complain but was worried I'd be the odd one out, glad to know others felt underwhelmed too and it's not just me being grumpy. |
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| Where can I read fate prototype fragments? |
MeisterDM said: Where can I read fate prototype fragments? This is everything that's been translated so far: https://mega.nz/#!aAsCybqb!WwnKiMn_HK9HqvA_myhLn5GM0yeAv8TTxyQsWWpqaGs Everthing is in this PDF. Some Acts are summaries, some have full translations. There isn't a fully translated version as of now. |
| Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I'm more than satisfied with how things were handled for the climax. I'm pretty disappointed that Cosmic Air did not play when Gil charged up and fired off Ea tho. |
My Queens  |
| The episode was honestly all over the place in terms of both the good and the bad. I mean... Merlin: Fujimaru is the only one who can enter the bounded field of Nega-Genisis and deliver the final bow with this dagger of unknown powers and origin. *KH literally walks in there* *Fou literally fucking teleports in* What are we even... |
| tbf if there's one being that could totally no-sell Tiamat's bullshit, it would be Fou. |
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| You'd think Merlin would promise Fou infinite kicks until he gets back to Avalon and not risk sending the literal last Master of humanity who can rayshift against a flipping Beast and her Lahmus. You'd think the writers would think their original bullshit a bit more thoroughly before they inject it within the existing Nasu bullshit. |
| TBH the reasoning why Fujimaru can get is what baffles me. Shouldnt be the opposite?Living things shouldnt be able to get in safely? KH is "Death" so he doesnt count conceptually and Fou is Fou. But if, all original bs included, Fujimaru can enter then Mash can as well. |
| Merlin: Also Merlin: Not to mention, that's not what Nega-Genisis even is in both the in-game text and external material. The anime completely made that up. Nega-Genisis is specifically a barrier that negates the Noble Phantasms of Servants with the attributes “Man” and “Star” AKA Servants with NPs that represent evolution and human growth. Mashu, Merlin, Ishtar, Eresh AND Gil could've gone through that barrier no problem, as they have the attributes "Earth" and "Sky", respectively. |
astroprogsMar 14, 2020 6:12 PM
| off topic of babylonia for a minute but can i say magia record is what last encore should have been like completely artsy adaptation of a bland game with enough anime original elements and creatively liberties taken to make it less bland but also not completely whatever LE was |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| With Cosmic Air |
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| Yeah it just doesnt make sense. Mei-o_Scarlett said: off topic of babylonia for a minute but can i say magia record is what last encore should have been like completely artsy adaptation of a bland game with enough anime original elements and creatively liberties taken to make it less bland but also not completely whatever LE was Magia Record is even worse than Last Encore. NR's eps alone place it above anything in MaRe. Yeah...fuck them for not using it. |
| bitch ill fight you |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| To be honest, I doubt they'd change how Nega-Genesis works before consulting Nasu about it. So wait for BDs and hope there'll be some supplementary material for them to explain the change. |
| Looking back again the biggest factor on why we are disappointed is that it didnt surpass ep18. If ep18 is a 10/10 we expected an 11/10 or even 12/10. We got an 8(by forgiving some stuff) and this just doesnt feel ok because it is the climax. |
| Well about fou, we here All know what is fou so minus plus ??? = null effect No other explaination. Expect salmon movie within 18 months from here |
| bruh |
About who was done justice to and who got the short end of the stick. What do you guys think? |
| Taiga had nothing to give justice to, and minimizing her appearances was for the better. Fujimaru was given too much justice by giving him too much screentime. Benkei got so fucked by the adaptation that he didn't even get to finish off Ushi himself, just dying to Piedra del Sol instead of using his NP. Otherwise I agree with most of it, though I feel like they cut out way too much of Leonidas's talk with Mashu, one of my favorite parts of Babylonia. I think they did Kingu pretty well too with the added scenes. |
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| I dont agree with KH.At all. |
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