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Toma400 said: I get that "Steins;Gate Movie: Fuka Ryouiki no Déjà vu" isn't canon, but maybe - just a theory - Okabe met Kurisu, because he remembered Kagari's song heard in this place, and he was just coming back to hear it again?
And it leaded that he just became mad scientist (helping Mayuri) after meeting with Kurisu, what was explained in this episode, and shown in the ending of "Fuka Ryouki...". It all makes logical sense.. at least for now.
In the end, this meeting with Kurisu was laconic enough that he didn't say anything like "who you are" - he could think he met Kagari, therefore he asked if she got lost. Like he knew her enough to not ask about her identity.
I thought that Load Region of Deja Vu is the true ending of the Steins;Gate series and everything else takes place before those events. Why the heck wouldn't it be canon? It's friggin brilliant and has a perfect ending.
Because it contradicts with the rules which were established in the anime and its source material, the VN.
Because of the strange ending?
No. The whole conception. The movie features parallel worldlines (R and Steins Gate worldlines are active simultaneously), while it is established in the source materials and in the anime adaptation, that only one worldline can be active at a given time.
Even if we try to explain the movie that there are no parallel worldlines in it, only the Steins Gate wordline changed to a worldline where Okabe doesn't exist, that also caused contradictions. Because if we are on a worldline, where Okabe doesn't exist, then Kurisu can't meet with him in 2005... since Okabe is not exist in this worldline. And a time traveler (in this case Kurisu) always goes back to the CURRENT worldline's past, and her arrival create a new worldline from the point she arrived.
Soo, the movie sucks, because it makes no sense... It is emotional, but makes no sense... Unfortunate...
Anyway, the official afterstory is the Holy Day of Scourge light novel. Not the movie and not the OVA.
hey wait i remember anime explaining different worldlines
but i guess they didnt talked at all on parallel worldlines
but when they denied the existence of parallel worldlines? and said only single worldline can be active at a time?
i think saying different world lines is enough to say that different worldlines are active in parallel if u remember when okabe shifted from beta to alpha and he found mayuri is dead and heard the story what happened during whole time(few months) this alone proves that even if original okabe is in beta worldline with divergence of 1.09 (remember complete original worldline has divergence no of 1.13) the alpha worldline is also active in parallel with okabe of that worldline
i think saying different world lines is enough to say that different worldlines are active in parallel if u remember when okabe shifted from beta to alpha and he found mayuri is dead and heard the story what happened during whole time(few months) this alone proves that even if original okabe is in beta worldline with divergence of 1.09 (remember complete original worldline has divergence no of 1.13) the alpha worldline is also active in parallel with okabe of that worldline
If the worldline changes, everything is reconstructed (memories included). This was the brief explanation by Suzuha in the anime. It has nothing to do with parallel worldlines.
In the VN, the explanation is much longer.
[125][name]Suzuha[line]“I do. By 2036, scientists have successfully modeled the structure of the universe. And it’s not the many-worlds interpretation.”[%p]
[126][name]Kurisu[line]“Really? Tell me!”[%p]
[127][name]Rintaro[line]“Attractor fields...”[%p]
[128][name]Suzuha[line]“Right. I told you by mail, didn’t I?”[%p]
[129][name]Kurisu[line]“What sort of model is that?”[%p]
[130][name]Suzuha[line]“The universe is made up of worldlines and attractor fields.”[%p]
[131]Suzuha walks over to Mayuri’s sewing table and picks up a ball of red yarn.[%p]
[132]She holds one end of the yarn and drops the ball to the floor, then holds about a meter of yarn in front of her face.[%p]
[133][name]Suzuha[line]“The universe is like this piece of yarn.”[%p]
[134][name]Suzuha[line]“Countless possible worldlines exist side by side, branching out to infinity.”[%p]
[135][name]Suzuha[line]“From a distance, it looks like a single string, but when you look closer, the string is actually made up of individual threads woven together.”[%p]
[136][name]Suzuha[line]“At the end, those threads converge on a single point. The paths are different, but the destination is the same.”[%p]
[137][name]Kurisu[line]“Isn’t that [color index="820000"]determinism[color index="800000"]?”[%p]
[138][name]Suzuha[line]“Close. This model is a little looser.”[%p]
[139][name]Suzuha[line]“You could say it cherry-picks from the many-worlds interpretation and the Copenhagen interpretation.”[%p]
[140][name]Rintaro[line]“If the branches all lead to the same place, does that mean there’s only one world in the end?”[%p]
[141][name]Suzuha[line]“Exactly.”[%p]
[142][name]Suzuha[line]“The bundle of worldlines that share a point of convergence is called an attractor field.”[%p]
[143][name]Suzuha[line]“There are also many attractor fields.”[%p]
[144][name]Suzuha[line]“This string is Attractor Field Alpha. The threads are Alpha worldlines.”[%p]
[145]Suzuha then cuts meter lengths of blue, yellow, and white yarn.[%p]
[146][name]Suzuha[line]“Blue is Beta, yellow is Gamma, and white is Delta.”[%p]
[147][name]Suzuha[line]“Each is made up of countless Beta worldlines, Gamma worldlines, or Delta worldlines.”[%p]
[148]She twists the different colored strings together, then stretches them out as one fat, multicolored string.[%p]
[149][name]Suzuha[line]“Attractor fields are superpositioned like this.”[%p]
[150][name]Suzuha[line]“In each attractor field, the worldlines converge on a different result.”[%p]
[151][name]Suzuha[line]“They don’t interact. Each attractor field is independent of the others.”[%p]
[152][name]Suzuha[line]“Of course, they all diverged from a common point somewhere in the past, and they will all converge again at some point in the future, but that takes many hundreds of years.”[%p]
[153][name]Suzuha[line]“You can think of the attractor fields as very long worldlines.”[%p]
[154][name]Itaru[line]“Can you compare it to an eroge? Teach me, oh erotic one.”[%p]
[155][name]Kurisu[line]“Th-There’s no erotic one here!”[%p]
[156][name]Rintaro[line]“No, he’s right. It is like an eroge. Each heroine’s route is an attractor field, and the small choices within are the individual worldlines.”[%p]
[157][name]Rintaro[line]“But at the end, they all enter the true route for the grand ending.”[%p]
[158][name]Itaru[line]“The only difference is the length of the common parts. By the way, I’d choose the little sister’s attractor field.”[%p]
[159][name]Rintaro[line]“Whatever.”[%p]
[160][name]Kurisu[line]“You guys are hopeless. Better do something quick.”[%p]
[161][name]Suzuha[line]“Umm, I don’t know what you guys are talking about...”[%p]
[162][name]Kurisu[line]“Just ignore them.”[%p]
[163]Let me get this straight.[%p]
[164]The reason I can’t save Mayuri... is that her death is the event upon which this attractor field converges?[%p]
[165]But that means...[%p]
[166]That means the world really [color index="A0140000"]is[color index="800000"] killing Mayuri.[%p]
[167][name]Itaru[line]“But then, isn’t it impossible to change the future? It always converges in the end, right? No matter what you do, the result is the same.”[%p]
[168]That’s right. That’s why Mayuri dies no matter how many times I leap.[%p]
[169][name]Suzuha[line]“We have to escape Attractor Field Alpha.”[%p]
[170][name]Rintaro[line]“Escape?”[%p]
[171][name]Suzuha[line]“In other words, we’re going to jump to a worldline in Attractor Field Beta.”[%p]
[172][name]Kurisu[line]“I thought attractor fields couldn’t interact.”[%p]
[173][name]Suzuha[line]“Attractor fields are normally separate, but if we go to the instant they diverge...”[%p]
[174][name]Kurisu[line]“The instant they diverge... is that now?”[%p]
[175][name]Suzuha[line]“I was taught that a major divergence occurs in 2010.”[%p]
[176][name]Suzuha[line]“This year, an earth-shattering event causes divergence at the attractor field level. The last time such a divergence occurred was in the year 2000, and before that, in 1991.”[%p]
[177][name]Mayuri[line]“Umm, what happened those years?”[%p]
[178][name]Suzuha[line]“Events that changed the face of the world.”[%p]
[179][name]Mayuri[line]“Huh?”[%p]
[180][name]Rintaro[line]“1991 was the collapse of the Soviet Union, right? But what happened in 2000? 2001 had the 9/11 attacks...”[%p]
[181][name]Suzuha[line]“The Year 2000 Problem.”[%p]
[182][name]Itaru[line]“Y2K? But that was just hype. Nothing happened.”[%p]
[183][name]Suzuha[line]“That’s because the Alpha worldline we’re on represents a world where Y2K didn’t occur.”[%p]
[184]So in other words, there are worlds where it [color index="A0140000"]did[color index="800000"] occur?[%p]
[185][name]Suzuha[line]“And that brings us to 2010.”[%p]
[186][name]Mayuri[line]“Did something big happen this year?”[%p]
[187][name]Suzuha[line]“What else could it be...”[%p]
[188]Suzuha looks toward the development room.[%p]
[189][name]Suzuha[line]“But the creation of humanity’s first time machine?”[%p]
[190][name]Mayuri[line]“Oh yeah! Wow!”[%p]
[191][name]Kurisu[line]“One more question.”[%p]
[192]Kurisu keeps plowing ahead.[%p]
[193]I guess that’s what makes her a scientist.[%p]
[194][name]Kurisu[line]“These worldlines aren’t [color index="820000"]parallel worlds[color index="800000"], are they?”[%p]
[195][name]Suzuha[line]“No. Ultimately, they’re just possibilities that exist simultaneously.”[%p]
Wow. I've been obsessed with "Hoshi no Kanaderu Uta" ever since I haven't seen Steins;Gate, rewatched again and felt deficient as I can't remember where was the song inserted and thought it was a VN-only soundtrack, was so glad and rather surprised to encounter it here. The melody is angelic and nostalgic but doesn't evoke a feeling of melancholy or despair but comforting and heartwarming, I can't express the amounts of dopamine flowing through my body listening to this beautiful piece of art.
I adore the mother-daughter dynamic between Mayuri and Kagari, so sweet and touching, I like the idea of a song that got transmission to many people to create a paradox, and it's even more fascinating to see it's a song that got conveyed through mother to children, from Okabe's mother, Suzuha's mother to Kagari's mother. My favourite from the season, and since Kagari is finally getting her memories back, I expected to see more twists and sharp plot segments in the future events as a redemption for the missing from the first half.
Shioneri said: Wow. I've been obsessed with "Hoshi no Kanaderu Uta" ever since I haven't seen Steins;Gate, rewatched again and felt deficient as I can't remember where was the song inserted and thought it was a VN-only soundtrack, was so glad and rather surprised to encounter it here. The melody is angelic and nostalgic but doesn't evoke a feeling of melancholy or despair but comforting and heartwarming, I can't express the amounts of dopamine flowing through my body listening to this beautiful piece of art.
I adore the mother-daughter dynamic between Mayuri and Kagari, so sweet and touching, I like the idea of a song that got transmission to many people to create a paradox, and it's even more fascinating to see it's a song that got conveyed through mother to children, from Okabe's mother, Suzuha's mother to Kagari's mother. My favourite from the season, and since Kagari is finally getting her memories back, I expected to see more twists and sharp plot segments in the future events as a redemption for the missing from the first half.
The song is not a paradox actually, it's origin is the music box from the christmas party. I discussed it above in this topic how it works
So Kagari remembered who is her mom. It was pretty funny to see Okabe talking to his mom lol. And looks like the person Okabe learned the song from is Kagari herself
FlameyWT said: P.S Doesn't he know his own mother / at least by her name didn't it give something to him (a clue at least)
He doesn't know because of the way Reading Steiner works. He can't remember the current worldline's past, since he only remembers the previous one.
@SciADV_Maniac So you want to say that in worldline Beta he has different mother than from Worldline Alpha?? If it's so, after living almost A YEAR he didn't communicate somehow by her own mother???
@SciADV_Maniac So you want to say that in worldline Beta he has different mother than from Worldline Alpha?? If it's so, after living almost A YEAR he didn't communicate somehow by her own mother???