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Jul 30, 2017 1:31 PM
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Deserve said:

If every one is bisexual, it's not that a spectrum and just a mental disorder that can be cured? (I know, wtf right?) This is why we all go with it being genetic, easy to accept or a mass will lose identity, so just to let you know, please don't say it in front of actual gay person, they will be really offended, this is just a tip.

Nobody I spoke about that iR was offended yet and especially not really offended. ôo Who loses his identity (identity is the WHOLE thing, who you are, every detail of yourself), because there isn't so much black and white thinking anymore.
And nobody forbids other people to call themselves straight or gay, if they lean mostly (or some people exclusively, I dunno) to the one or other side.

I wrote:
And there is truth behind it, if you want to share the (scientific not baseless) believe that everyone is bisexual to his own individual and certain level. In fact, there are many surveys (beyond Kinsey).
That's not dumb at all and it's very biased to call it that, because the idea of only black-and-white-schema is a human concept to simplify our lives, so we can find "our side" and it's easier to understand for others.
This could happen in some life stories with the difference that such a person isn't 100% heterosexual and never was.

So, that's determinated. What's such a big problem for you that the "mental disorder!"-argument comes to your mind? ^^"
I said that it's very biased to call such a situation you described, dumb and unbelievable etc...
Jul 31, 2017 2:56 AM
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Maneki-Mew said:
Deserve said:

If every one is bisexual, it's not that a spectrum and just a mental disorder that can be cured? (I know, wtf right?) This is why we all go with it being genetic, easy to accept or a mass will lose identity, so just to let you know, please don't say it in front of actual gay person, they will be really offended, this is just a tip.

Nobody I spoke about that iR was offended yet and especially not really offended. ôo Who loses his identity (identity is the WHOLE thing, who you are, every detail of yourself), because there isn't so much black and white thinking anymore.
And nobody forbids other people to call themselves straight or gay, if they lean mostly (or some people exclusively, I dunno) to the one or other side.

I wrote:
And there is truth behind it, if you want to share the (scientific not baseless) believe that everyone is bisexual to his own individual and certain level. In fact, there are many surveys (beyond Kinsey).
That's not dumb at all and it's very biased to call it that, because the idea of only black-and-white-schema is a human concept to simplify our lives, so we can find "our side" and it's easier to understand for others.
This could happen in some life stories with the difference that such a person isn't 100% heterosexual and never was.

So, that's determinated. What's such a big problem for you that the "mental disorder!"-argument comes to your mind? ^^"
I said that it's very biased to call such a situation you described, dumb and unbelievable etc...


Because that is how mental disorder works you know, it's kinda same like how some people have gender identity crisis, and it was accepted to occur as of trauma or bad parent figure/absense of parent figure, on the other hand homosexuality was started to be accepted in a mass when people just believed that it happens to be genetic and they were born so, hence hating them=dumb.

It really made things simple, a black and white, I won't lie, as of that reason, now that it is accepted, we can pull "genetic" bs off at somepoint in future when people will accept gay in every corner of world, but if you break this information to the public as how they ARE right NOW, chances are the Gay Burning of Africa will become everyday scene at third world countries.


It is simply because of fact that, no one really wishes their child to BE gay, even being born remotely different from normal, it is one thing that people can't choose if their kids are born albino, blind, etc on the other hand if homosexuality is just spectrum then it'll easily get to negative side of the world, that is called honesty.

It is as of this reason such you won't see your idea of it being actually in a scale of sexuality, told to people in general on internet or TV shows, or at any conference or political discussion, it is sort of an emotional empathy that someone considered a convenient lie is better than the harsh inconvenient truth regarding homosexuality

Because it takes away everything that is current generation's reason to accept gay people, that is "innocence" where they are simply considered to be born such, hence people of even strong homophobic tendency are often consider to not act on it, like they have stated in some cases (that is about rational person who was informed with the idea of homosexuality being just genetic and not a choice of individual).

On the other hand if you claim every one is homosexual, at same time it means that no one is homosexual if they don't decide to be so, that is same as saying that all / every person is rapist or pedo to some certain amount, and depending on situation they may act on it, I mean both are just biological responses, it's just cultural norms that decide what is right and what is not in such cases, hence I like to believe in the idea of "gene" it might be a convenient lie, but it's a kind lie.

Look at how incest is looked down upon for an instance, in pre-early human society their would not be much of an issue with a father mating with her daughter, I know it does has strong myths attached to it as well such as kids being born mutated, but it is not how it works (in reality, the chance kid inheriting a bad gene is very low, lower than 5% and even that depends on the case where gene happens to be just present in both family members, but that shaped our modern social structure so the idea that incest is sin, applies to this day even in homosexual couples where the chance she of inbreeding are simply null).

As of this, I also think you are lucky in case you have no offended any one, I do still suggest you to be on safe side by not saying every one is bisexual, it can be taken emotionally by actually bisexual and they tend to feel bad about it too.
Jul 31, 2017 7:20 AM
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Aetherzel said:

You're going to pretend that the Princes and Princesses are treated as equals, in these Disneys? Remind me one thing: Who is always defenseless, caught or poisoned, or nearly assassinated?
And who saves who? Who would be dead without HIM coming to save her all the time?
Then next you thought the story was over and she was with her Prince, she had become a Queen in the future etc.
Well, SORRY. Now she's there on every candy wrapping making a sexy pose with ingenuous face like she's in front of the Jury in a damn Campus Queen Contest!

God, the next characters I draw getting it in the ass are the Princes.


Dotanuki said:
Oh NO ! Not the princes... don't take your anger out of poor princes cause you don't like defenceless disney princesses lol All the poor princes tried to do was the right thing... lol now, they are gonna take it in the ass because of that lol

I don't have anything against warrior women but i'm attracted to the defenceless, peaceful girls who can be voices of reason. I don't need a violant woman with anger issues in my life... lol



Ah, you reminded me of all the recent Disney Princesses, aggressive, violent, killing any dialogue or attempt at it with witty/insolent lines, always snickering (That's the default expression for a lot of cartoon characters nowadays) like being smug is the proof you're smarter than anyone else.
I've had to bear 30 years of the previous propaganda of submissive 'ideal' women who can't do shit without a man, and that through strictly EVERY media existing, not only cartoons. And then when Disney and cartoons in general decide to strip their female characters from their image of eternal preys and victims, it's an invasion of hysterical Amazons who can't into basic communication skills. and whose brains functions are limited to action only!
GOD, how anime and especially yaoi were welcome in my life.
My first Magical Girls were so refreshing. Then Lupin's Fujiko, City Hunter's Kaori or Saeko, the three heroines from Cats Eyes, and so, so many others through 30 years of watching anime and reading manga. I've seen there so many great examples of women who don't need to be as aggressive and manly as a man to be heard, fight and win, that I can't stand even 10 seconds in any cartoon.
When you're a woman, the right way to do things is a feminine way and it's anime that restored my pride into being a woman myself.

About the Princes, well, it's way too late. I'm sure each one would be much more lively pleasuring another Prince than in his own original story where after all, he comes, falls in love with some woman's looks, fights, gets an obligatory kiss and it's over.

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Deserve said:
Maneki-Mew said:

Nobody I spoke about that iR was offended yet and especially not really offended. ôo Who loses his identity (identity is the WHOLE thing, who you are, every detail of yourself), because there isn't so much black and white thinking anymore.
And nobody forbids other people to call themselves straight or gay, if they lean mostly (or some people exclusively, I dunno) to the one or other side.

I wrote:

So, that's determinated. What's such a big problem for you that the "mental disorder!"-argument comes to your mind? ^^"
I said that it's very biased to call such a situation you described, dumb and unbelievable etc...


Because that is how mental disorder works you know, it's kinda same like how some people have gender identity crisis, and it was accepted to occur as of trauma or bad parent figure/absense of parent figure, on the other hand homosexuality was started to be accepted in a mass when people just believed that it happens to be genetic and they were born so, hence hating them=dumb.

It really made things simple, a black and white, I won't lie, as of that reason, now that it is accepted, we can pull "genetic" bs off at somepoint in future when people will accept gay in every corner of world, but if you break this information to the public as how they ARE right NOW, chances are the Gay Burning of Africa will become everyday scene at third world countries.

It is simply because of fact tthat, no one really wishes their child to BE gay, even being born remotely different from normal, it is one thing that people can't choose if their kids are born albino, blind, etc on the other hand if homosexuality is just spectrum then it'll easily get to negative side of the world, that is called honesty.

It is as of this reason such you won't see your idea of it being actually in a scale of sexuality, told to people in general on internet or TV shows, or at any conference or political discussion, it is sort of an emotional empathy that someone considered a convenient lie is better than the harsh inconvenient truth regarding homosexuality

Because it takes away everything that is current generation's reason to accept gay people, that is "innocence" where they are simply considered to be born such, hence people of even strong homophobic tendency are often consider to not act on it, like they have stated in some cases (that is about rational person who was informed with the idea of homosexuality being just genetic and not a choice of individual).

On the other hand if you claim every one is homosexual, at same time it means that no one is homosexual if they don't decide to be so, that is same as saying that all / every person is rapist or pedo to some certain amount, and depending on situation they may act on it, I mean both are just biological responses, it's just cultural norms that decide what is right and what is not in such cases, hence I like to believe in the idea of "gene" it might be a convenient lie, but it's a kind lie.

Look at how incest is looked down upon for an instance, in pre-early human society their would not be much of an issue with a father mating with her daughter, I know it does has strong myths attached to it as well such as kids being born mutated, but it is not how it works (in reality, the chance kid inheriting a bad gene is very low, lower than 5% and even that depends on the case where gene happens to be just present in both family members, but that shaped our modern social structure so the idea that incest is sin, applies to this day even in homosexual couples where the chance she of inbreeding are simply null).

As of this, I also think you are lucky in case you have no offended any one, I do still suggest you to be on safe side by not saying every one is bisexual, it can be taken emotionally by actually bisexual and they tend to feel bad about it too.

Sorry, that makes no sense to me. ^^"
Neither the "mental disorder"-part nor the other ones. Also I feel like that you put meaning of the words in my mouth I never said or were never meant that way.
I think you are exaggerating very much. Nothing THIS bad is going to happen, because people realize that sexual orientation is more complicated than we thought and not only either-or.

And btw. the two gay men I spoke to were biologists themselves. Seems like most people in science fields aren't so sensitive to those things. ^^"
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