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@logic340 Thanks for standing up for me, but if I'm destined to get salt lynched, then even the heavens can't stop me from being salt lynched.

However, I'll try my best to fight off this train. In the unlikely event that I do get lynched, I would like to address those on my train.

Penta - His reasoning on why he would want to lynch me would make sense from a different perspective. Although most of my post have town intentions, it is also easy to find anti-town material in anything, just a matter of perspective. I respect his opinion and don't think he's scum. His weird behavior of not wanting to share his thoughts on the day cop thing can be quite scummy but he seems to know what he is doing. Keep a close eye on him but I have a town lean for him.

Claire - It's only traditional for you to vote me. Nothing out of the ordinary to be frank. I can see both scum claire and town claire easily doing this, so no opinion on her.

Grape - I do sense a lot of anger and frustration directed towards me. I would argue that half of your posts on me do not make sense. Or even if they did, you did not express it properly to make sense and thus it does not. You misread or misinterpret my arguements (like when I called Penta to display anti-town behavior). I really think you're not on your best game, that or you're scum. You seemed to be tunneled in on me. Knowing your town behavior from other games, tunneling is very common for you and thus this is not really a scum marker. Your judgement and reasoning this game is off, you tunnel hard on me and you seem to be ignoring everyone else (In a scumhunting manner I mean). Answer me this, if I flip scum, who are my partners? If I flip town, what next? Cos you have alot of explaining to do. Conclusion: Either scum or off his game.

Mar 22, 2017 6:22 AM

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Grapefruit21 said:

CorruptedPurity said:
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3)What part of me "really hope this isn't a claim" sounds like I'm saying that he claimed? I already mentioned that it is a hypothetical world in the very same quote.

"Blaming initially before anything happened"

Who did I blame? What did I blame about? Wtf are you talking about? Why would I care about drawing attention to it, it was a hypothetical question.

Uh-huh

CorruptedPurity said:

Cause he just said "But I'm day cop"

CorruptedPurity said:

Also @grapefruit21 I didn't see day cop, it was only mentioned once and I've never heard of the role before, so when I see cop, I just say what's on my mind.

Back to you, I really don't think you should've claimed... Question, does a day cop get results immediately or at the end of the day? Need to know this before I give you a definite answer.

Uh-huh.

uh huh....Why would you put them in reverse chonological order. When I first read it I was like damn grapefruit is right. Then I looked at the post numbers
493
170
161
in that order make the reading much different try it? UH HUH!!!

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Mar 22, 2017 6:23 AM

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CorruptedPurity said:
Death by salt... never thought I would go out this way...
Alriiight, let's do this!

Grapefruit21 said:

Since it was asked for the case on CP, though Penta made it better already.

Meta read posturing.

CorruptedPurity said:

Crossbell said:
Grape: Is there a reason why you moved your vote onto RE1031 instead of letting the RVS-logic wagon get to five votes? We have to take any chance of wagon analysis we have, even if it's in RVS.

CorruptedPurity said:
Why so fiesty @grapefruit21?

Also, I don't participate in RVS. Will leave comments and analysis mid-RVS though.

Why do you not participate in RVS?

CorruptedPurity said:
Interesting...

My thoughts are that even though Grape brings up a good point, it is not like him to make such a post. He is usually more reserved on the first day and gets more revved up the longer the game goes. He has a snowball-y playstyle and I find it unusual that he's this fiesty this early in the game.

If you find it unusual that Grape is fiesty this early in the game, what do you think it means for his alignment?

Can you bring up games where you think that Grape has a "snowball-y" playstyle? That's not really how I would classify Grape, so interested in your thought process here.

Grapefruit said:
First town lean of the game to Sollux!

What is your reasoning?

I like CP so far this game; reminds me of how I played in Final Fantasy Mafia with all the spice. I like spicy reads.

Honestly never liked the idea of RVS. Besides, others will do the poking, I can analyse from that, I also have a policy of not voting unless I can support it with good evidence. Check out my other recent games...

Regarding Grape, I have played 2 games with him and both games gave me a snowball-y feel.
Firstly, The Twins Mafia. He didn't do anything of importance of the first day, but on the second day, he started tunneling on RE like nobody's business and went full ham. He exploded more on posts but he got lynched cause he just seemed scummy due to the way he tunneled.
Secondly and more recently, the Alcatraz mafia, still ongoing btw so you can check it out. The first day people are lynching our beautiful host Kit for no reason, he didn't seem to be too bothered. The entire first day he had no impact or presence, he was almost a null-factor. Come day 2, he tunneled crazy into Suzune for mechanical difference in views (basically how miller claim should be treated). He again exploded alot with suzu on day 2. On day 3, he started tunneling onto Logic instead when suzu died. He gave long detailed posts about him and a few of his other scum-reads. Come day 4, he literally analysed every player and their potential to be scum. He even created a scenario where every town-read is secretly scum. Then he went back to tunneling on logic but he also did in-depth analysis of alot of other players again for every post they made.

So when he started today with a strong stage presence, I wondered why. Why would anyone want stage presence when they usually don't? Maybe so it's easier to manipulate and pocket others? So that their points seem more valid and can be heard better?

Also, I've heard alot about you Crossbell, it's an honor playing with you. Have a good game!

Then proceeds to not back down after a gentle push that the read was incorrect.

Here gives a strongly anti town post. It isn't even just scum reading a vote, which is fine, but posturing that future votes will be scum read too, putting a chilling effect on voting. This sort of attititude hurts town greatly.

Then we have the whole fiasco with Penta's hypothetical. I already got into why I thought the attitude discussing me was harmful to town and so did Penta but I want to talk about CPurity sowing confusion.

Before this post

No one had shown any confusion that this was anything but a hypothetical. Penta's post did nothing to suggest that it was a claim and Purity throws it out there anyway. But in a negative context. Blaming initially before anything has happened. I struggle to see the town motivation behind that, because if you thought it was a claim as town it would be in your best interest not to draw attention to it and let it go and hope scum don't notice. This loudly and boldly does the opposite. And in a situation where it makes no sense to.

Intermission. P.S. everything was an exageration but going through the Iso not by as much as I'd figured.

1) Gentle push that my read was incorrect? Look at that quote by Crossbell, he asked me to bring up some games where I think you had a "snowball-y" playstyle. I'm responding to his request, there was defense from you there or an indication that my read was incorrect.
2) Regarding the Grrr being on Logic train. I explained my reasoning already, go look back and read it. In a world there you do not agree with me, a simple difference in view does not make me scum. I believe that people going onto trains that are already choo-chooing all over town to be scummy because they can just hop on without explaining themselves. I wanted an explanation and you're onto me because of that? It looks more like a poor attempt at redirecting away attention from you then anything else.
3)What part of me "really hope this isn't a claim" sounds like I'm saying that he claimed? I already mentioned that it is a hypothetical world in the very same quote.

"Blaming initially before anything happened"

Who did I blame? What did I blame about? Wtf are you talking about? Why would I care about drawing attention to it, it was a hypothetical question.

As for 1. I suggested you check Harhui, FT, or LQ and you'd see an active engaged me on D1. Your read was I don't make splashy plays or be that active on D1 and it's not particularly accurate.

Mar 22, 2017 6:27 AM

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Grapefruit21 said:

CorruptedPurity said:
Death by salt... never thought I would go out this way...
Alriiight, let's do this!

1) Gentle push that my read was incorrect? Look at that quote by Crossbell, he asked me to bring up some games where I think you had a "snowball-y" playstyle. I'm responding to his request, there was defense from you there or an indication that my read was incorrect.
2) Regarding the Grrr being on Logic train. I explained my reasoning already, go look back and read it. In a world there you do not agree with me, a simple difference in view does not make me scum. I believe that people going onto trains that are already choo-chooing all over town to be scummy because they can just hop on without explaining themselves. I wanted an explanation and you're onto me because of that? It looks more like a poor attempt at redirecting away attention from you then anything else.
3)What part of me "really hope this isn't a claim" sounds like I'm saying that he claimed? I already mentioned that it is a hypothetical world in the very same quote.

"Blaming initially before anything happened"

Who did I blame? What did I blame about? Wtf are you talking about? Why would I care about drawing attention to it, it was a hypothetical question.

As for 1. I suggested you check Harhui, FT, or LQ and you'd see an active engaged me on D1. Your read was I don't make splashy plays or be that active on D1 and it's not particularly accurate.

I was your mason in Haruhi and while you were out on Lucian you still kept your feelers going elsewhere. FT I would say does not feel like this game for your start, but would need to go back and read it to be certain. I want to hear @_Claire_'s take on CP's Grapefruit meta please (there I asked again)? Your self meta feels somewhat off to me as you have changed greatly since FT mafia

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Mar 22, 2017 6:28 AM

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Grapefruit21 said:

CorruptedPurity said:
Snip*
3)What part of me "really hope this isn't a claim" sounds like I'm saying that he claimed? I already mentioned that it is a hypothetical world in the very same quote.

"Blaming initially before anything happened"

Who did I blame? What did I blame about? Wtf are you talking about? Why would I care about drawing attention to it, it was a hypothetical question.

Uh-huh

CorruptedPurity said:

Cause he just said "But I'm day cop"

CorruptedPurity said:

Also @grapefruit21 I didn't see day cop, it was only mentioned once and I've never heard of the role before, so when I see cop, I just say what's on my mind.

Back to you, I really don't think you should've claimed... Question, does a day cop get results immediately or at the end of the day? Need to know this before I give you a definite answer.

Uh-huh.

quoting things out of context isn't like you. I'll humour you though. His initial hypothetical cop shit was at post 116 and I responded at 117 believing it to be hypothetical. It is much much later at 157 when he said "But I'm day cop!" which I believed he made a claim. Everyone else at that point also thought he made a claim. Check out followind's and rosie's response.

Mar 22, 2017 6:31 AM

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CorruptedPurity said:
@logic340 Thanks for standing up for me, but if I'm destined to get salt lynched, then even the heavens can't stop me from being salt lynched.

However, I'll try my best to fight off this train. In the unlikely event that I do get lynched, I would like to address those on my train.

Penta - His reasoning on why he would want to lynch me would make sense from a different perspective. Although most of my post have town intentions, it is also easy to find anti-town material in anything, just a matter of perspective. I respect his opinion and don't think he's scum. His weird behavior of not wanting to share his thoughts on the day cop thing can be quite scummy but he seems to know what he is doing. Keep a close eye on him but I have a town lean for him.

Claire - It's only traditional for you to vote me. Nothing out of the ordinary to be frank. I can see both scum claire and town claire easily doing this, so no opinion on her.

Grape - I do sense a lot of anger and frustration directed towards me. I would argue that half of your posts on me do not make sense. Or even if they did, you did not express it properly to make sense and thus it does not. You misread or misinterpret my arguements (like when I called Penta to display anti-town behavior). I really think you're not on your best game, that or you're scum. You seemed to be tunneled in on me. Knowing your town behavior from other games, tunneling is very common for you and thus this is not really a scum marker. Your judgement and reasoning this game is off, you tunnel hard on me and you seem to be ignoring everyone else (In a scumhunting manner I mean). Answer me this, if I flip scum, who are my partners? If I flip town, what next? Cos you have alot of explaining to do. Conclusion: Either scum or off his game.

Honestly I noticed the spite and resentment from the moment I entered the thread. Those 3 votes were spiteful and one of the remains. Now they have moved to you and I don't agree with that at all. I would have spoken up on my train earlier than I did but didn't want to out the fact I was scum in Alcatraz to Rosie, I honestly thought it was dirty that they would all vote me like that knowing Rosie was in this game and that one was still going on but that is nothing to read them on. So much salt that I cannot let you die a salty death, a reasonable justifiable one fine but not a salty one.

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Mar 22, 2017 6:34 AM

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Vote: Grapefruit21
First forgetting you voted Rosie and getting defensive when I answered a questions about it. Now painting things a certain way by quoting things out of order and out of context. This is not transparent Grapefruit @_Claire_ meta read that for me tooo please?

Now I am really gone for a while...

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Mar 22, 2017 6:36 AM

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Soo..
Here are the questions I remembered..

1. About the different opinions, I noticed that Grapefruit and CP have a different opinion and PoV about RVS. Grapefruit is trying to push a train while CP says that he doesn't ..
This IMO is a difference of opinions..

2. Why I said about the benefit of RVS but didn't join it? When I said that post, the vote was already a 3 way tie.. Why would I even join it? It won't create any pressure and it would make me suspicious cause of breaking a 3 way tie...
So IMO I shouldn't break the tie without a solid reasoning since it will create confusion which town won't benefit..

3. Why I thought Penta was actually claiming..
Well I didn't notice untill a bit later.. I admit this is my false for not reading the post throughly...

4.Should we lynch CP?
I would stay neutral in this case.. Since I'm not really sure whether he is scum or town.. but IMO CP and Grape isn't partners if one of them is maf from their early interaction or this could be just buzzing so that one would gain town creds..
I won't advice you guys to lynch CP but I won't advice not to either..
I think we should see it more objectively rather than tunneling towards CP and Grape

If there is any questions I missed.. Please ask me again since there are limits to my memory..
Also Please play this game more objectively since I feel some of you are getting consumed by your emotions right now

Mar 22, 2017 6:37 AM

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CorruptedPurity said:
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FYI even penta admits to having anti town behavior. And I was refering to the post-day cop fiasca where he keeps information hidden from town, not the day cop fiasca.

You're right, but if Penta was acting Anti town with an express purpose that can be read by others to advance the game that makes the action as a whole pro town even if the means was anti town. I did focus in on the wrong part though.

Do you still not understand what Penta was trying to do by withholding reads CPurity? 502suggests you don't. They were subtly pushing me to bring down the you've been warned anger on them. By purposefully not contributing Penta was trying to catch me red handed not following up on my promise.

And also on 502 instead of consistently saying "hey maybe grape is scum, or maybe he's just bad this game" dig in and prove something. I'd love to see you refute my points. It would give me a much better read on you and I'd either dig in and lynch you or back off. Right now you're making it very easy to just sit where I am.

As for the Day cop stuff, I'm not sure why those quotes appeared backwards. Bad foruming, bb code is hard, I'm tired. I'll edit it. My bad.

CorruptedPurity I know everyone else responded to it the same way. That doesn't excuse yours. You were the first to bring it up. You said "you shouldn't have claimed" which is blaming Penta and when you then believed it to be a real claim you and this drew more attention to it.

Others doing the same doesn't excuse you. You'll notive Rosie and Follow are my next two scum leans. As town the last thing you would want to do is draw attention to a claim and beat up one of your PRs for the scum team.

Mar 22, 2017 6:38 AM

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Soo..
Are we really using metareads as a base for telling who's scum right now?

Mar 22, 2017 6:42 AM

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followind said:

Also Please play this game more objectively since I feel some of you are getting consumed by your emotions right now

Tell me about it. If I really do get salt lynched, I'm gonna get a salt overdose.

Mar 22, 2017 6:42 AM

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CorruptedPurity said:
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FYI even penta admits to having anti town behavior. And I was refering to the post-day cop fiasca where he keeps information hidden from town, not the day cop fiasca.

You're right, but if Penta was acting Anti town with an express purpose that can be read by others to advance the game that makes the action as a whole pro town even if the means was anti town. I did focus in on the wrong part though.

Do you still not understand what Penta was trying to do by withholding reads CPurity? 502suggests you don't. They were subtly pushing me to bring down the you've been warned anger on them. By purposefully not contributing Penta was trying to catch me red handed not following up on my promise.

And also on 502 instead of consistently saying "hey maybe grape is scum, or maybe he's just bad this game" dig in and prove something. I'd love to see you refute my points. It would give me a much better read on you and I'd either dig in and lynch you or back off. Right now you're making it very easy to just sit where I am.

As for the Day cop stuff, I'm not sure why those quotes appeared backwards. Bad foruming, bb code is hard, I'm tired. I'll edit it. My bad.

CorruptedPurity I know everyone else responded to it the same way. That doesn't excuse yours. You were the first to bring it up. You said "you shouldn't have claimed" which is blaming Penta and when you then believed it to be a real claim you and this drew more attention to it.

Others doing the same doesn't excuse you. You'll notive Rosie and Follow are my next two scum leans. As town the last thing you would want to do is draw attention to a claim and beat up one of your PRs for the scum team.

When he said "I am day cop" I took it as a claim too a very early anti town move if you ask me as I frown upon early claiming. He (Penta) should choose words that wont confuse the town. Especially when we have newer players who do no understand the subtle nuances of why a town would do anti-town stuff. It's part of the reason that we got over on you in Alcatraz because you guys let the anti-town do their thing while we killed everyone with actual presence.

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Mar 22, 2017 6:43 AM

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I want to get away but I can't Grapefruit is too scummy.

@Grapefruit21 back out of the tunnel please. Not saying change your vote just get on a different topic for now.

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Mar 22, 2017 6:44 AM

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followind said:
Soo..
Here are the questions I remembered..

1. About the different opinions, I noticed that Grapefruit and CP have a different opinion and PoV about RVS. Grapefruit is trying to push a train while CP says that he doesn't ..
This IMO is a difference of opinions..

2. Why I said about the benefit of RVS but didn't join it? When I said that post, the vote was already a 3 way tie.. Why would I even join it? It won't create any pressure and it would make me suspicious cause of breaking a 3 way tie...
So IMO I shouldn't break the tie without a solid reasoning since it will create confusion which town won't benefit..

3. Why I thought Penta was actually claiming..
Well I didn't notice untill a bit later.. I admit this is my false for not reading the post throughly...

4.Should we lynch CP?
I would stay neutral in this case.. Since I'm not really sure whether he is scum or town.. but IMO CP and Grape isn't partners if one of them is maf from their early interaction or this could be just buzzing so that one would gain town creds..
I won't advice you guys to lynch CP but I won't advice not to either..
I think we should see it more objectively rather than tunneling towards CP and Grape

If there is any questions I missed.. Please ask me again since there are limits to my memory..
Also Please play this game more objectively since I feel some of you are getting consumed by your emotions right now

If you don't think me or CP is scum right now where should town be looking? We have 6ish hours to phase change and we need to build a strong enough case to get enough votes EoD.

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logic340 said:

Grapefruit21 said:

You're right, but if Penta was acting Anti town with an express purpose that can be read by others to advance the game that makes the action as a whole pro town even if the means was anti town. I did focus in on the wrong part though.

Do you still not understand what Penta was trying to do by withholding reads CPurity? 502suggests you don't. They were subtly pushing me to bring down the you've been warned anger on them. By purposefully not contributing Penta was trying to catch me red handed not following up on my promise.

And also on 502 instead of consistently saying "hey maybe grape is scum, or maybe he's just bad this game" dig in and prove something. I'd love to see you refute my points. It would give me a much better read on you and I'd either dig in and lynch you or back off. Right now you're making it very easy to just sit where I am.

As for the Day cop stuff, I'm not sure why those quotes appeared backwards. Bad foruming, bb code is hard, I'm tired. I'll edit it. My bad.

CorruptedPurity I know everyone else responded to it the same way. That doesn't excuse yours. You were the first to bring it up. You said "you shouldn't have claimed" which is blaming Penta and when you then believed it to be a real claim you and this drew more attention to it.

Others doing the same doesn't excuse you. You'll notive Rosie and Follow are my next two scum leans. As town the last thing you would want to do is draw attention to a claim and beat up one of your PRs for the scum team.

When he said "I am day cop" I took it as a claim too a very early anti town move if you ask me as I frown upon early claiming. He (Penta) should choose words that wont confuse the town. Especially when we have newer players who do no understand the subtle nuances of why a town would do anti-town stuff. It's part of the reason that we got over on you in Alcatraz because you guys let the anti-town do their thing while we killed everyone with actual presence.

I genuinely thought that it was a fake claim and just decided to follow it through..
And a lot of people seems to take it as a topic.. I gave the scenarios that I could thought of ...

Mar 22, 2017 6:48 AM

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logic340 said:
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Vote: Grapefruit21
First forgetting you voted Rosie and getting defensive when I answered a questions about it. Now painting things a certain way by quoting things out of order and out of context. This is not transparent Grapefruit @_Claire_ meta read that for me tooo please?

Now I am really gone for a while...

Explain how that incorrectly remembering where my vote is tells you I'm scum. I believe I provided fair context to my arguments and the out of order quotes was a mistake. And to me just as compelling in order.

I'll remind you again that you are choosing to vote me for being sloppy and mixing up small details in ways that don't help advance the game state for either agenda. This is why you were able to mislynch me in ALC. Do you really think it's more likely to make me mafia here.

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followind said:
Soo..
Here are the questions I remembered..

1. About the different opinions, I noticed that Grapefruit and CP have a different opinion and PoV about RVS. Grapefruit is trying to push a train while CP says that he doesn't ..
This IMO is a difference of opinions..

2. Why I said about the benefit of RVS but didn't join it? When I said that post, the vote was already a 3 way tie.. Why would I even join it? It won't create any pressure and it would make me suspicious cause of breaking a 3 way tie...
So IMO I shouldn't break the tie without a solid reasoning since it will create confusion which town won't benefit..

3. Why I thought Penta was actually claiming..
Well I didn't notice untill a bit later.. I admit this is my false for not reading the post throughly...

4.Should we lynch CP?
I would stay neutral in this case.. Since I'm not really sure whether he is scum or town.. but IMO CP and Grape isn't partners if one of them is maf from their early interaction or this could be just buzzing so that one would gain town creds..
I won't advice you guys to lynch CP but I won't advice not to either..
I think we should see it more objectively rather than tunneling towards CP and Grape

If there is any questions I missed.. Please ask me again since there are limits to my memory..
Also Please play this game more objectively since I feel some of you are getting consumed by your emotions right now

1. Fair enough, Grapefruit has an ideology clash pretty much once a game if not more. This is nothing new so it's starting to become NAI
2. As town I don't worry about suspicion because the fact that I am town will help me shake said suspicion.
3. Shit I though it was a claim too. I put this one on the poster for word choice and not the readers. He caused confusion which is mafia's best friend.
4. I agree with you hear, I am in the same position if the arguments are actually good then go for it but right now this feels like a spite kill. I think Grape needs to look somewhere else as I have seen him ruin his own read by tunneling it too hard (I am a perfect example).

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Mar 22, 2017 6:49 AM

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followind said:
Soo..
Are we really using metareads as a base for telling who's scum right now?

who was this reply meant for?

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Mar 22, 2017 6:50 AM

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Grapefruit21 said:

followind said:
Soo..
Here are the questions I remembered..

1. About the different opinions, I noticed that Grapefruit and CP have a different opinion and PoV about RVS. Grapefruit is trying to push a train while CP says that he doesn't ..
This IMO is a difference of opinions..

2. Why I said about the benefit of RVS but didn't join it? When I said that post, the vote was already a 3 way tie.. Why would I even join it? It won't create any pressure and it would make me suspicious cause of breaking a 3 way tie...
So IMO I shouldn't break the tie without a solid reasoning since it will create confusion which town won't benefit..

3. Why I thought Penta was actually claiming..
Well I didn't notice untill a bit later.. I admit this is my false for not reading the post throughly...

4.Should we lynch CP?
I would stay neutral in this case.. Since I'm not really sure whether he is scum or town.. but IMO CP and Grape isn't partners if one of them is maf from their early interaction or this could be just buzzing so that one would gain town creds..
I won't advice you guys to lynch CP but I won't advice not to either..
I think we should see it more objectively rather than tunneling towards CP and Grape

If there is any questions I missed.. Please ask me again since there are limits to my memory..
Also Please play this game more objectively since I feel some of you are getting consumed by your emotions right now

If you don't think me or CP is scum right now where should town be looking? We have 6ish hours to phase change and we need to build a strong enough case to get enough votes EoD.

6ish??? We have over 7 hours right now.

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Mar 22, 2017 6:52 AM

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logic340 said:

PentaFlare said:
@logic340 I think your getting pretty emotional. I've seen you like this before and you usually become a lot more effective and focused after a little break from the game. I'm mean no offense, but I think we would cover at lot more ground if we all took a short break. Me included

Luckily, I have classes now, so I'll get to that.

I was honestly thinking the same thing. I am not as emotional as I have been in the past (like when scum chione said he wasn't reading my posts) but yeah a little break will do some good. I have a busy today and wanted to get into the thread before work today. I will be around for phase change.

@Crossbell I hope all is well your post count is a little down want to hear your thoughts on all of this.
@Oyasumi_Rosie stop with all the fluffing or get the rope. Some fluff is fine but we need content from you.
@grrr maybe you can find some reasons for my lynch in my back and forth with Claire/grape/penta.
@amberwillow we need to continue our talks about Grapefruit and RE later.
@Sollux16 a little more presence and your thoughts on current events?
@followind are you still with us?
@RE1031 now do you see why I wanted you to butt out of my conversation?

So I will not be lynching Lam, willow, or Crossbell today. Everyone else is an option we can discuss.

Yeah, sorry about that. I had to work yesterday and I was so tired when I got home that i just went straight to bed. I'm gonna try to catch up and figure out what's going on. Atm, I'm not willing to change my vote because something still doesn't feel right about penta (I'm not completely caught up yet either though) Sorry about that guys :(

Mar 22, 2017 6:53 AM

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logic340 said:

When he said "I am day cop" I took it as a claim too a very early anti town move if you ask me as I frown upon early claiming. He (Penta) should choose words that wont confuse the town. Especially when we have newer players who do no understand the subtle nuances of why a town would do anti-town stuff. It's part of the reason that we got over on you in Alcatraz because you guys let the anti-town do their thing while we killed everyone with actual presence.

I genuinely thought that it was a fake claim and just decided to follow it through..
And a lot of people seems to take it as a topic.. I gave the scenarios that I could thought of ...

I am one of those newer players who dosen't understand the subtle nuances and I know Rosie and Sollux are new as well. So if he confused 3/13 and now they think he is scum for being anti town is that really helping the town when 25% might want him lynched due to not understanding? This is the shit I felt the warning was for. To keep us inline and on the hunt but maybe I was wrong?

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Ohhh sweet I thought the deadline was at 7am my time not 8. Actually that's slight worse as the first hour is my busiest at work but whatever. An extra hour will help everyone else.

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If you don't think me or CP is scum right now where should town be looking? We have 6ish hours to phase change and we need to build a strong enough case to get enough votes EoD.

I would say Oyasumi which I will gladly vote since he's reasoning came a bit off for me..
Why would you lynch Grape then Lynch Penta whatever flip they have?
Also he fluffed a lot and also doesn't provide a reason for his scumread on Penta and Grape which I think he have since he wanted them both killed( if he had please enlighten me)

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PentaFlare said:

I should clarify. Trying to pick out teammates is the kind of preflip association I find bad. Saying someone is unaligned is different. It just means they aren't partners because their interactions doesn't seem like scum v scum. Picking partners is bad because if either of those players are town, which you don't know, the read falls apart. Unaligned pairs works in many cases. If one player flips town, you can use that kind of read to say the other is either town or scum. If one flips scum, it suggests the other is town. It works either way. If one of a pair of "teammates" flips town, you have suddenly made a big mistake.

Also, another really crucial difference is that you are basing your read on your preflip, Cross is just noting it for later.

So what I am getting at that you are misconstruing is that I cannot say you and Grape are unaligned due to the way you softballed your interactions with one another. I am not saying you are a team I am saying I cannot say you are not a team. Kind of like how we can say that RE and willow being a team is unlikely at this point.

Okay. It just seemed to me like you were basing your scumlean on the possibility of the team. That's just my misinterpretation. You just think it is still a possibility which is valid, since everything is still a possibility if there are no flips.

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Mar 22, 2017 6:54 AM

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logic340 said:

I was honestly thinking the same thing. I am not as emotional as I have been in the past (like when scum chione said he wasn't reading my posts) but yeah a little break will do some good. I have a busy today and wanted to get into the thread before work today. I will be around for phase change.

@Crossbell I hope all is well your post count is a little down want to hear your thoughts on all of this.
@Oyasumi_Rosie stop with all the fluffing or get the rope. Some fluff is fine but we need content from you.
@grrr maybe you can find some reasons for my lynch in my back and forth with Claire/grape/penta.
@amberwillow we need to continue our talks about Grapefruit and RE later.
@Sollux16 a little more presence and your thoughts on current events?
@followind are you still with us?
@RE1031 now do you see why I wanted you to butt out of my conversation?

So I will not be lynching Lam, willow, or Crossbell today. Everyone else is an option we can discuss.

Yeah, sorry about that. I had to work yesterday and I was so tired when I got home that i just went straight to bed. I'm gonna try to catch up and figure out what's going on. Atm, I'm not willing to change my vote because something still doesn't feel right about penta (I'm not completely caught up yet either though) Sorry about that guys :(

Read into Penta and let me know what you think because I have a slight scum read there to an I would really like the views of a newer player who has no bias in regards to Penta.

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Soo..
Are we really using metareads as a base for telling who's scum right now?

who was this reply meant for?

This isn't a reply just a question

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logic340 said:

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Did you read my case on Corrupted? By purposeless meta, I mean that the meta wasn't for a read. Therefore, it only ended up casting shade.

And only scum cast shade? if that is the crux of your case then stop tunneling leave your vote and investigate else where. We are living at the top of the thread too much lets all back up and see what we can find. I am not saying purity isn't scum I am saying that Claire and Grape's reasoning to me seem to be coming more from personal place than a game place. Saw something similar from cross with his teammate shinishi in CCL. Animosity from a previous game seems to be making bias here in this one that is what I am feeling (might be wrong but considering I got 3 spite votes to start this game I don't think I am far off).

No, there is more to my case than that. I included mentions of reasons town would cast doubt and why I don't see the actions being town motivates. I think Corrupted is scum. Of course I'll look at others but I'm not willing to back off this scumread if I don't have something to change my mind or a stronger read.

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Grapefruit21 said:

If you don't think me or CP is scum right now where should town be looking? We have 6ish hours to phase change and we need to build a strong enough case to get enough votes EoD.

I would say Oyasumi which I will gladly vote since he's reasoning came a bit off for me..
Why would you lynch Grape then Lynch Penta whatever flip they have?
Also he fluffed a lot and also doesn't provide a reason for his scumread on Penta and Grape which I think he have since he wanted them both killed( if he had please enlighten me)

I have similar feeling there as well it's like we are mind-melding. I know Rosie can fluff and be playful but this is too much this game. The flip thing is regular rosie she always seems scummy early and says what she feels without thinking the fluffing is what I cant get over. No Logic is the town lyncher comments. Something is off there.

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logic340 said:

who was this reply meant for?

This isn't a reply just a question

Ok...but who was it directed at is what I am asking no one is tagged and it doesn't seem to fit the post its right after?

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logic340 said:

amberwillow said:

That was/is a possibility. But to be more specific, I was thinking that she might not want to be put in a badspot like be questioned if she was to vote u, because there was already a vote on u.

So you think that RE felt she would be put in a bad spot if she voted me right after Crossbell did? So the post about giving Dog Lovers a reprieve was her way of staying off my train?

That sounds like a weird conclusion for you to come to?

Now if you are suspecting RE of protecting a scum buddy (me or Claire). Then it makes sense. If I'm her partner she can use the dog lover pardon to not have to vote for me etc. But if that is the case she could have just voted Claire? If Claire was her partner she could have me? But I had a vote and might bring questions that way so she voted Crossbell? You got all that from that opening post?

So basically for this to make any sense RE would have to be protecting Claire her teammate and not want to comment on me due to a vote already being there. Why not just place and RVS and not say anything about the dog lovers?

I am having trouble seeing this as a scum slip can you explain it to me further?

I think u are starting to misinterpret me. I didn't say that she would be in trouble, I said that from her point of view it might have appeared to her that it would be risky to get in a position where she would be questioned. I don't know what she felt, that's why I started asking those questions.

Geez, the more u say the more it feels that u want me to think of u two as scumbuddies. I am not sure what u missed, but I am not suspecting her anymore (at least on such a big scale).
If that is the case then yes, I think it would have been more likely of her to vote Claire then, but she didn't.
But I didn't really suspect her to be a scumbuddies with either of u, I was more inclined to think that she is taking care of her image.
I didn't get all that from just that post but it was the first thing what caught my attention and then I presented her the questions that were raised from her replies.

Not necessary, she could have tried to protect either if it was like your theory.

That post itself wasn't the one that bothered me most, it was her replies, I didn't go that deep like you two and her being mafias. I am not sure what else to add here besides what was already said. We kinda resolved that matter already, so now it looks like u want me to keep focusing on her when I had already said that I am planning to look at other susp people.
Anw, lemme find some links when I am back from rehearsal if ull still want it, or just check again our convo

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@logic340 I think your getting pretty emotional. I've seen you like this before and you usually become a lot more effective and focused after a little break from the game. I'm mean no offense, but I think we would cover at lot more ground if we all took a short break. Me included

Luckily, I have classes now, so I'll get to that.

I was honestly thinking the same thing. I am not as emotional as I have been in the past (like when scum chione said he wasn't reading my posts) but yeah a little break will do some good. I have a busy today and wanted to get into the thread before work today. I will be around for phase change.

@Crossbell I hope all is well your post count is a little down want to hear your thoughts on all of this.
@Oyasumi_Rosie stop with all the fluffing or get the rope. Some fluff is fine but we need content from you.
@grrr maybe you can find some reasons for my lynch in my back and forth with Claire/grape/penta.
@amberwillow we need to continue our talks about Grapefruit and RE later.
@Sollux16 a little more presence and your thoughts on current events?
@followind are you still with us?
@RE1031 now do you see why I wanted you to butt out of my conversation?

So I will not be lynching Lam, willow, or Crossbell today. Everyone else is an option we can discuss.

I agree those three are leaning town and definitely shouldn't be lynched this phase.

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And only scum cast shade? if that is the crux of your case then stop tunneling leave your vote and investigate else where. We are living at the top of the thread too much lets all back up and see what we can find. I am not saying purity isn't scum I am saying that Claire and Grape's reasoning to me seem to be coming more from personal place than a game place. Saw something similar from cross with his teammate shinishi in CCL. Animosity from a previous game seems to be making bias here in this one that is what I am feeling (might be wrong but considering I got 3 spite votes to start this game I don't think I am far off).

No, there is more to my case than that. I included mentions of reasons town would cast doubt and why I don't see the actions being town motivates. I think Corrupted is scum. Of course I'll look at others but I'm not willing to back off this scumread if I don't have something to change my mind or a stronger read.

Never asked you to back off your scum read. Just asked that we don't get haggard over this one spot. If he flips town then what is your next move? If he is scum who do you believe are his teammates?

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FYI even penta admits to having anti town behavior. And I was refering to the post-day cop fiasca where he keeps information hidden from town, not the day cop fiasca.

You're right, but if Penta was acting Anti town with an express purpose that can be read by others to advance the game that makes the action as a whole pro town even if the means was anti town. I did focus in on the wrong part though.

Do you still not understand what Penta was trying to do by withholding reads CPurity? 502suggests you don't. They were subtly pushing me to bring down the you've been warned anger on them. By purposefully not contributing Penta was trying to catch me red handed not following up on my promise.

Sometimes the scum is scum because he does scum things. But you'll be like, "aha! what if he's not scum but pretending to be scum to bait scum to trusting him then turning onto scum!" I do not overthink things, if they do anti-town things, I see it as scummy and that lynching them have a higher chance of flipping scum. If they do pro-town things, they have a higher chance of flipping town. Didn't we already had this argument before? So your whole "if Penta was acting Anti town with an express purpose that can be read by others to advance the game that makes the action as a whole pro town even if the means was anti town" is just that, a big IF. Stop overthinking everything.

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And also on 502 instead of consistently saying "hey maybe grape is scum, or maybe he's just bad this game" dig in and prove something. I'd love to see you refute my points. It would give me a much better read on you and I'd either dig in and lynch you or back off. Right now you're making it very easy to just sit where I am.

My entire existence in this game is either trying to pressure you to see if you're scum or responding to your points. Just look at my posts, it's all related to you, either aggresively towards you or defensively from you.
Also, don't bullshit me and say that by arguing with you more that you'll back off. I've seen this movie before with Suzu, Logic and RE. You'll never back off. Your vote on me is permanent, and if I survive the night, we all know that your vote will still be on me tomorrow

Grapefruit21 said:

As for the Day cop stuff, I'm not sure why those quotes appeared backwards. Bad foruming, bb code is hard, I'm tired. I'll edit it. My bad.

CorruptedPurity I know everyone else responded to it the same way. That doesn't excuse yours. You were the first to bring it up. You said "you shouldn't have claimed" which is blaming Penta and when you then believed it to be a real claim you and this drew more attention to it.

Others doing the same doesn't excuse you. You'll notive Rosie and Follow are my next two scum leans. As town the last thing you would want to do is draw attention to a claim and beat up one of your PRs for the scum team.

Oh so its my fault that you now scum read followind and rosie are your next two scum leans? and that if they flip PR, its my fault. You don't even want to lynch me with dignity, you want to blame me for drawing attention to your 2 other reads and blame me if one of them flips PR. All those scum games I played with you I was feinting frustration for the sake of the game, but now you're really ticking me off. If you're not scum and we lose, this game is on you.

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Also I wont be around for phase change. Its at 4am.

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This isn't a reply just a question

Ok...but who was it directed at is what I am asking no one is tagged and it doesn't seem to fit the post its right after?

Hmm..
There were a lot of people meta reading..
So since I don't really like to meta read since people meta can change and so..
I was wondering about this

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followind said:

Grapefruit21 said:

If you don't think me or CP is scum right now where should town be looking? We have 6ish hours to phase change and we need to build a strong enough case to get enough votes EoD.

I would say Oyasumi which I will gladly vote since he's reasoning came a bit off for me..
Why would you lynch Grape then Lynch Penta whatever flip they have?
Also he fluffed a lot and also doesn't provide a reason for his scumread on Penta and Grape which I think he have since he wanted them both killed( if he had please enlighten me)

I like this, find a couple quotes to support your read and we've got something going.

And one thought for the thread in general I apologize for posting a ton and walls making it hard to catch up. But as you make your way through the thread I'd ask you who seems emotional?

And my reads top 3 town: Sollux, amber, and Penta

Top 3 scum: CPurity, Rosie, and RE.

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I'm calling it, either Grape or I dies tonight. Cop should check the other.

Also Vote:Grapefruit21

I think I have explained myself more than enough on why I want this lynch.

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CorruptedPurity said:

PentaFlare said:

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Well, since I didn't get anything out of that attempt to not comment on any of the main wagons, time to do a dump from my notes. Please don't just skip over this because it is a wall or just nod along and move on. I want to know what others think about what I'm bringing up.

My thoughts regarding CorruptedPurity:

Corrupted is probably mafia. Their actions so far this phase give the impression of a mafia player trying to appear like a productive townie instead of genuine scumhunting.

The first post which seems scummy is #51 where they comment on Grapefruit's ultimatum. Paraphrased, the post is "This is a good point, but this isn't normal grapefruit". This emphasis is placed on the second half, being that this isn't normal grapefruit. This kind of post does two things: creates doubt about grapefruit and suggests a scumlean based on meta. However, the post includes only facts and skips the throught process. There isn't a "this is unusual for grape and since I've only seen them as town this different behavious makes me think they are a different alignment". That would be a scumlean, however small (considering this is only the top of the second page). Instead, therefore, the scumlean is not the main intent of this post, so it must be the doubt. Creating doubt about other players so early is scummy because town only cast doubt on decently developed scumreads.

In #110, Corrupted talks about the grapefruit post again and makes it even more clear that the goal is not the scumlean because they suggest both a mafia motive behind the change and a town motive behind the change. Possibility of either = doubt.

A little further down in #117 they answer my day cop question addressed to Crossbell. They obviously know I'm asking a hypothetical question because they list me as one of the options. Therefore, I can only see one reason for answering the question. They are seizing the opportunity to contribute to just about anything because contribution seems townlike. It is true that town can also try to look like town because getting lynched as town is bad but this is much more often a mafia action because mafia can't rely on genuine towniness. However, the extra thing that tips it further into being a mafia motivated action is that another town member would also be interested in how Cross would respond. Discussing the topic before Cross can answer would likely make Cross's answer less important because of the amount that's been discussed already. (luckily Cross reads and answers in order). It is likely that Corrupted simply wasn't interested in finding out Cross's alignment which a town member wouldn't be. These two things combined make answering the question more mafia-like than townie.

#150 also explicitly states there is no scumread on grapefruit. The shade being cast is just for the sake of casting shade.

It is true that #155 is expressing a town mindset. Taking a close look at voters who build large trains is important. However, this isn't a very strong townlean. The three scumleans mentioned so far are adding up to a stronger swing that way.

I'm not going to cite much of the discussion of cop checks and order of priority. It is nice that they are expressing suspicions, but overall I find it non-alignment indicative.

The only other posts are trying to pry information out of me but that is also non-alignment indicative because I was being so antitown that I was a super easy target to pressure no matter what the alignment of the person doing the pressuring was.

That's all for now folks!

Ok. Thanks for giving me something to play with. Let's break this down.

Regarding post #51. Maybe that post is supposed to do something outside the two you suggested, maybe the purpose of my post is to pressure Grapefruit (which is working, he is responding to it). As I said, I don't like voting without substantial evidence. From my POV, I had reasons to suspect Grapfruit but it isn't enough, I need him to post more for me to get more reads off of him and more evidence off of him. Scumlean is not my main intent of that post, it is to set up for future scum leans depending on how Grape responded. Maybe I did create doubt in some other's but it is merely an unintended side effect of me pushing into Grape.

#110. I push onto him because I want to determine if he was scum. Based on his responses, I cannot 100% nail him down as scum and thus need to keep my views open. Or would you rather me tunnel on him to be scum?

#117. This is an interesting one. I thought you were asking hypothetical cop and although I wasn't Cross, I was dying to talk to someone, anyone, about anything. You posed an interesting question and thus I decided to stick my nose into it (maybe I was wrong to do so but I was so bored, I'm sorry). Things got slightly out of hand when I mistaken day cop for normal cop and got others involved, not necessarily a bad thing because that is more information we can look back on in the future. Now, the second part. I don't know if you're overvaluing getting information from Cross or I'm undervaluing it. Cross has done nothing to raise any scum alerts in me so no I wasn't interested in finding out much about him at the time, maybe in the future but as of that moment, no. I thought that my answer would've stopped there instead of going rampant with the rest so I honestly did not expect my involvement to hinder your read on Cross, and I must apologize for that. What I didn't like was your lack of involvement in the discussion you started. But that's not the point, I'll save my suspicions of you for a different post. I really think you're overvaluing Cross and blaming me for ruining your read, cos I don't see a scum in myself in that play.

#150 Starting to sound like a broken recorder here but I as I said, I'm not throwing shade to cast doubt or shit. I want to pressure him, I don't want to lynch him yet as I need more evidence of him being scum to give myself the conviction to place the Grape vote.

"The only other posts are trying to pry information out of me but that is also non-alignment indicative because I was being so antitown that I was a super easy target to pressure no matter what the alignment of the person doing the pressuring was."

You seem to know your own predicament. Is this intentional or not? Why would you want to appear anti-town?

I can't see #51 as pressure because it isn't. To be pressuring someone, you need to be trying to elicit a change from them. Your post was commenting on grape's meta. It is related to how they've decided to play this game. Just saying "Hey, you are playing differently" isn't going to change how they play.

Why wouldn't you be interested in learning about Cross? Even if you don't scumread Cross, you should still be trying to sort all players one way or another. The only reason to not be interest is if you already know.

The way you are saying that you don't have the evidence to place a vote yet is incredibly scummy. You don't believe grape is vote-worthy yet, so you are just going to push them until you can find anything to support a vote. You've already decided what your read is going to be and are just finding ways to support it.

Yes my anti-town behaviour was intentional, try rereading my exchange with grape before my wall post.

1)Dunno how you define pressure, but I believed that I've (successfully) pressured grape. When I say pressure, I mean applying pressure to which will cause them to react, and from the reaction I can analyse to gain more information on whether my read is right or not. I don't want to change the way they play, I want to understand the way they play and whether it is pro-town or anti-town.

2)I wouldn't be interested in learning about cross yet. He'd post enough by the time I want to get a read on him, priority for me was getting as much information as possible. And arguably, we got more information from followind and amberwillow and rosie reacting to the question than cross. As I said, I never intended to hinder your attempt to read cross. But you can always do that at another time.

3)You prefer for me to just vote Grape without hearing out everything first? And yes, I'm going to push him until I find something to support my vote. If I can't find anything to support my vote, then that would clear Grape for me.

Also, I don't know really understand your anti-town playstyle but if you're really sure you know what you're doing, I'll leave you be for now...

My problem is that you are approaching the attack on grapefruit as showing why they are scum and not determining if they are scum. That's what I've caught from your posts.

Also,my current behaviour is not antitown. That was just the gambit I was doing with grapefruit earlier. If you think I am being antitown, can you show why instead of just discrediting me by continuing to throw the word antitown around when it no longer applies to what I am doing?

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Mar 22, 2017 7:07 AM

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I feel like claire and you is a bit emotional..

I've established my reads but I'll announce it later..
Also same as CP I won't be here for phase change.. since I have GMT+7
But I'll at least vote before then..

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So you think that RE felt she would be put in a bad spot if she voted me right after Crossbell did? So the post about giving Dog Lovers a reprieve was her way of staying off my train?

That sounds like a weird conclusion for you to come to?

Now if you are suspecting RE of protecting a scum buddy (me or Claire). Then it makes sense. If I'm her partner she can use the dog lover pardon to not have to vote for me etc. But if that is the case she could have just voted Claire? If Claire was her partner she could have me? But I had a vote and might bring questions that way so she voted Crossbell? You got all that from that opening post?

So basically for this to make any sense RE would have to be protecting Claire her teammate and not want to comment on me due to a vote already being there. Why not just place and RVS and not say anything about the dog lovers?

I am having trouble seeing this as a scum slip can you explain it to me further?

I think u are starting to misinterpret me. I didn't say that she would be in trouble, I said that from her point of view it might have appeared to her that it would be risky to get in a position where she would be questioned. I don't know what she felt, that's why I started asking those questions.

Geez, the more u say the more it feels that u want me to think of u two as scumbuddies. I am not sure what u missed, but I am not suspecting her anymore (at least on such a big scale).
If that is the case then yes, I think it would have been more likely of her to vote Claire then, but she didn't.
But I didn't really suspect her to be a scumbuddies with either of u, I was more inclined to think that she is taking care of her image.
I didn't get all that from just that post but it was the first thing what caught my attention and then I presented her the questions that were raised from her replies.

Not necessary, she could have tried to protect either if it was like your theory.

That post itself wasn't the one that bothered me most, it was her replies, I didn't go that deep like you two and her being mafias. I am not sure what else to add here besides what was already said. We kinda resolved that matter already, so now it looks like u want me to keep focusing on her when I had already said that I am planning to look at other susp people.
Anw, lemme find some links when I am back from rehearsal if ull still want it, or just check again our convo

1. This first statement is a lot of wine and actually acts to shade RE which is why I asked if you though she was trying to protect me or herself. I felt you were a bit nitpicky with this one which is why I asked for more clarification.
2. I didn't miss anything I was trying to understand where you were coming from with you question because it was so open ended that I could come to the conclusions I did. I though you were inferring that her and I or her and Claire were a team so I asked you to clarify it. Not sure how not voting me was taking care of her image can you elaborate on that. second person on an RVS train usually doesn't get flack shti grrr is 4th saying nothing and is under no pressure with less than 10 posts and little content or game solving anything.
3. This one is from my PoV I am town so the only way it makes sense is if Claire is her teammate. Keeping up appearances that early seems unlikely to me.
4. I followed your conversation which is why I had a few questions for clarification. I town read you slightly but those questions needed to be answered for me to feel more comfortable. I kind of get a t/t vibe from your interaction with RE as I think mafia wouldn't have made the dog part which drew your attention. The voting for a reason thing is weird though since there really is no reason to vote during RVS unless you have preconceived bias there. I am not asking you to look back into RE though she drew my attention while I was trying to talk to you about where you were coming from by butting into our conversation.

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Mar 22, 2017 7:10 AM

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Last post before Bed I don't know what to make of logic. I find a lot of his arguments weak and uncompelling, but his level of emotion and fire do not read like scum logic. Leaning town because of the strong emotional tell but I can't be certain because the content is so all over the place.

Mar 22, 2017 7:12 AM

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followind said:

logic340 said:

Ok...but who was it directed at is what I am asking no one is tagged and it doesn't seem to fit the post its right after?

Hmm..
There were a lot of people meta reading..
So since I don't really like to meta read since people meta can change and so..
I was wondering about this

Well Claire is a meta reader so I would like to hear her opinion anytime someone brings up meta. She nailed my scum team with it and I feel like if she is town it's a good tool to be the icing on the cake if town then she will have to fake the meta a little bit and we should pick up on it. This is my approach to Claire after seeing her meta game from the other side.

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Mar 22, 2017 7:13 AM

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I feel like claire and you is a bit emotional..

I've established my reads but I'll announce it later..
Also same as CP I won't be here for phase change.. since I have GMT+7
But I'll at least vote before then..

We all just finished an emotional game last night and I feel that emotion has spilled over into this one. Hence the majority of my arguments today being about spite, resentment, and being salty.

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Mar 22, 2017 7:15 AM

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Grapefruit21 said:
Last post before Bed I don't know what to make of logic. I find a lot of his arguments weak and uncompelling, but his level of emotion and fire do not read like scum logic. Leaning town because of the strong emotional tell but I can't be certain because the content is so all over the place.

I am starting to realize that my arguments have always been weak and uncompelling. I have been slapped in the face by this fact in another on going game and my own self reflection of my scum game where I got by on weak and uncompelling arguments.

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logic340 said:

followind said:

I feel like claire and you is a bit emotional..

I've established my reads but I'll announce it later..
Also same as CP I won't be here for phase change.. since I have GMT+7
But I'll at least vote before then..

We all just finished an emotional game last night and I feel that emotion has spilled over into this one. Hence the majority of my arguments today being about spite, resentment, and being salty.

You should keep personal feelings aside from play since it can make you perform badly and not as effective as you usally do..

Mar 22, 2017 7:17 AM

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followind said:

logic340 said:

We all just finished an emotional game last night and I feel that emotion has spilled over into this one. Hence the majority of my arguments today being about spite, resentment, and being salty.

You should keep personal feelings aside from play since it can make you perform badly and not as effective as you usally do..

I do agree yet I am not the salty one here....it's the three across the aisle look at my first vote train it's everyone after Ccrossbell I touched on it in the post that has my read list.

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Mar 22, 2017 7:18 AM

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I actually don't think CorruptedPurity is mafia this time.. Feel like he would be giving a lot more attention to the Penta thing otherwise. Unless Penta is actually mafia but apparently this is his town gameplay?

...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not.

Mar 22, 2017 7:20 AM

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RE1031 said:
I actually don't think CorruptedPurity is mafia this time.. Feel like he would be giving a lot more attention to the Penta thing otherwise. Unless Penta is actually mafia but apparently this is his town gameplay?

I'm not sure..
I'm not good at meta reading and I haven't played for a long time so I won't give any opinions

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