logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: I'm glad you picked up on that. I haven't seen your town game and even asked Claire how we are to distinguish in #386. How do I you tell the two apart if you it either alignment?Thing is, you've both seen my scum meta but neither of you have seen my town meta. So how can you be sure that what would be scum markers aren't also town markers for my town meta? But I think I can distinguish myself from my scum plays by actually scumhunting instead of trying to mislead people, so you of all people should be able too. Now if I tell you that, it'll make any future scum games harder for me won't it? Take this game as a setting point to learn my town meta. You don't have to believe me now, but when I get lynched/NK, you can come back to this post and read all my plays to establish a town!CP meta for me. |
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CorruptedPurity said: Not asking you to tell me trying to figure it out because you entrance was scarily similar to Alcatraz upon further review. Have you seen my read list?logic340 said: I'm glad you picked up on that. I haven't seen your town game and even asked Claire how we are to distinguish in #386. How do I you tell the two apart if you it either alignment? Now if I tell you that, it'll make any future scum games harder for me won't it? Take this game as a setting point to learn my town meta. You don't have to believe me now, but when I get lynched/NK, you can come back to this post and read all my plays to establish a town!CP meta for me. |
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PentaFlare said: Well, since I didn't get anything out of that attempt to not comment on any of the main wagons, time to do a dump from my notes. Please don't just skip over this because it is a wall or just nod along and move on. I want to know what others think about what I'm bringing up. My thoughts regarding CorruptedPurity: Corrupted is probably mafia. Their actions so far this phase give the impression of a mafia player trying to appear like a productive townie instead of genuine scumhunting. The first post which seems scummy is #51 where they comment on Grapefruit's ultimatum. Paraphrased, the post is "This is a good point, but this isn't normal grapefruit". This emphasis is placed on the second half, being that this isn't normal grapefruit. This kind of post does two things: creates doubt about grapefruit and suggests a scumlean based on meta. However, the post includes only facts and skips the throught process. There isn't a "this is unusual for grape and since I've only seen them as town this different behavious makes me think they are a different alignment". That would be a scumlean, however small (considering this is only the top of the second page). Instead, therefore, the scumlean is not the main intent of this post, so it must be the doubt. Creating doubt about other players so early is scummy because town only cast doubt on decently developed scumreads. In #110, Corrupted talks about the grapefruit post again and makes it even more clear that the goal is not the scumlean because they suggest both a mafia motive behind the change and a town motive behind the change. Possibility of either = doubt. A little further down in #117 they answer my day cop question addressed to Crossbell. They obviously know I'm asking a hypothetical question because they list me as one of the options. Therefore, I can only see one reason for answering the question. They are seizing the opportunity to contribute to just about anything because contribution seems townlike. It is true that town can also try to look like town because getting lynched as town is bad but this is much more often a mafia action because mafia can't rely on genuine towniness. However, the extra thing that tips it further into being a mafia motivated action is that another town member would also be interested in how Cross would respond. Discussing the topic before Cross can answer would likely make Cross's answer less important because of the amount that's been discussed already. (luckily Cross reads and answers in order). It is likely that Corrupted simply wasn't interested in finding out Cross's alignment which a town member wouldn't be. These two things combined make answering the question more mafia-like than townie. #150 also explicitly states there is no scumread on grapefruit. The shade being cast is just for the sake of casting shade. It is true that #155 is expressing a town mindset. Taking a close look at voters who build large trains is important. However, this isn't a very strong townlean. The three scumleans mentioned so far are adding up to a stronger swing that way. I'm not going to cite much of the discussion of cop checks and order of priority. It is nice that they are expressing suspicions, but overall I find it non-alignment indicative. The only other posts are trying to pry information out of me but that is also non-alignment indicative because I was being so antitown that I was a super easy target to pressure no matter what the alignment of the person doing the pressuring was. That's all for now folks! aaanndd there we go, seems a little narrowed down but it's something, though I do assume you have more notes on others by this point outside of the obvious focus here. While most of this seems solid, I wouldn't bet on the fact that "town only cast doubt on decently developed scumreads" and it comes a little more naturally than you seem to believe. |
logic340 said: I can see the town mindset due to excitement (possibly for not rolling scum), he seems to be scum hunting, and doing pro town things. You have no idea. Ever since I came back to mafia, all I've done is try to lie and worry about being caught. The thrills of winning as mafia and town is very different. When mafia, the high I get is if I can get people to town-read me, to be able to be right under their noses yet never seen. Like when you sneak the cookie out of the cookie jar and managed to convince your parents that your sister did it. The thrill as town is different. The possibility that anyone could be mafia, the possibility that your number 1 town read could have pocketed you and mislead you the entire game. So you always have to be on your toes, anticipating the worst and playing like the worst could always happen. I haven't felt this thrill in a while and am so excited for it. I want to scum hunt, I want it sooo much! |
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RE1031 said: vote: Oyasumi_Rosie Has been oddly giddy. Plus this post broke a very long period of silence. Something I noticed is mafia feel compelled to break awkward silences - plus the post itself is kinda irrelevant. @CorruptedPurity I tell myself that with every game. And RNG has failed me...... Nvm While it is a terrible post, that's about as much as one would typically think of it, no? |
logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: Not asking you to tell me trying to figure it out because you entrance was scarily similar to Alcatraz upon further review. Have you seen my read list?Now if I tell you that, it'll make any future scum games harder for me won't it? Take this game as a setting point to learn my town meta. You don't have to believe me now, but when I get lynched/NK, you can come back to this post and read all my plays to establish a town!CP meta for me. Is it? In Alcatraz, I entered with a flair discussing mechanics and possible theories and how Kit's train was bonkers while currently I'm doing something I rarely do; attempt to meta read Grape. The only similarity I see is the loud, attention drawing manner in which I do it, but the content of my posts are very different. Ya, I've seen your list. Question: What's NAI? Also, I believe you will see that I am not playing my scum meta. You've seen how I work, you can tell eventually. |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: RE1031 said: I've been thinking of voting them myself today, to test the waters. But it can come off too OMGYS if I am not careful so, waiting for some sort of slip upHm, then thoughts on CorruptedPurity? You two are the most suspicious to me at the moment. ..... why would you be being "careful" or afraid to do something you're willing enough to make a statement about, no bite is bad. Also not sure why you would take the time to essentially call yourself out on something you're not doing. |
logic340 said: _Claire_ said: You're still not answering my question. I know meta isn't 100% but would still like your take. Anyway I can see both mindsets. I just played with him as scum and know that mindset and see things that would mirror it but then I ask would he do the same thing right in front of me? That is a big risk no? I can see the town mindset due to excitement (possibly for not rolling scum), he seems to be scum hunting, and doing pro town things. Regardless of scum/town play, you should know that meta-read is not 100% accurate. Instead see their mindset. Are you agreeing with her mindset? You think he is scum? He is town? I believe the former. You seem to have it out for both of us after the last game which is oddly weird. How about your take on Grape/Penta and Grape's follow through on his warning? Penta is obviously town. Grape, not enough impression. Also I dont see anything wrong, not sure what youre referring to the follow through. What qtn again? |
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CorruptedPurity said: Not Alignment Indicative.logic340 said: Not asking you to tell me trying to figure it out because you entrance was scarily similar to Alcatraz upon further review. Have you seen my read list? Is it? In Alcatraz, I entered with a flair discussing mechanics and possible theories and how Kit's train was bonkers while currently I'm doing something I rarely do; attempt to meta read Grape. The only similarity I see is the loud, attention drawing manner in which I do it, but the content of my posts are very different. Ya, I've seen your list. Question: What's NAI? Also, I believe you will see that I am not playing my scum meta. You've seen how I work, you can tell eventually. I noted two instances to Claire. I don't think you would be crazy enough to exhibit the same marker right in front of me right now. |
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_Claire_ said: What I mean about follow through is doing what you say you will do. The warning stated something very specific. Penta came out and did the exact opposite. Grapefruit lets Penta do his thing even saying so (not going to find the post right now). Penta doesn't give any push back for not following through on his warning. Are you seeing an unaligned pair because I cannot get that from their interactions and please tell me why Penta is "Obviously town". He was obviously town in Haruhi where he slaughtered us by the way.logic340 said: You're still not answering my question. I know meta isn't 100% but would still like your take. Anyway I can see both mindsets. I just played with him as scum and know that mindset and see things that would mirror it but then I ask would he do the same thing right in front of me? That is a big risk no? I can see the town mindset due to excitement (possibly for not rolling scum), he seems to be scum hunting, and doing pro town things. You seem to have it out for both of us after the last game which is oddly weird. How about your take on Grape/Penta and Grape's follow through on his warning? Penta is obviously town. Grape, not enough impression. Also I dont see anything wrong, not sure what youre referring to the follow through. What qtn again? |
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_Claire_ said: Are you playing with me right now? You quoted the question in your initial response and it's there in the quote now?logic340 said: What qtn again?You're still not answering my question. I know meta isn't 100% but would still like your take. Anyway I can see both mindsets. I just played with him as scum and know that mindset and see things that would mirror it but then I ask would he do the same thing right in front of me? That is a big risk no? I can see the town mindset due to excitement (possibly for not rolling scum), he seems to be scum hunting, and doing pro town things. You seem to have it out for both of us after the last game which is oddly weird. How about your take on Grape/Penta and Grape's follow through on his warning? I want your take on CP's meta read of Grapefruit and tell me how it compares with your own? I would also like to talk with you about CP seeing as how we have both played games on the same mafia team as him. If he's mafia here you and I should be able to nail him? |
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_Claire_ said: Lam-B said: Yeaaahhrp, feelsbedmeng..... these last few games feel so much worse than I remember based simply on the fact I'm never on near the EoDs. A lot of lynches in my last couple of games feel like they should never have happened, nor can I figure out how or why they did after the fact they go through. I just feel really awful tbh, it hurts my town-pride. Last game was just so clear... Idk what was happening tbh. Town should step up more and be more convincing rather than passively on the side and following scum's lead. Lam-B said: What are you actually saying here, just wondering? and a minor follow up if it works, are you simply barking or is this an actual stab? Oh, what do you think about it? :> Sorry, that question is as simple as it seems I believe. I can't tell if it was intended as a really weak stab or not and in turn of that I can't really make sense of it. |
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_Claire_ said: CorruptedPurity said: Ok, this I can work with... Let's think scenarios. Scenario A Grape and Grrr are maf If we day cop read grape maf, we lynch him and send the day cop on Grrr on D2, provided doc protects him at night. He shows guilty and we're down 2 scum. So we can see that in this scenario, cop on Grape rather than Grrr is better. Scenario B Grape is maf and Grrr is town If we day cop read grape maf, we lynch him and send the day cop on Grrr on D2, provided doc protects him at night. He shows inno then we focus on someone else. So we can see that in this scenario, cop on Grape rather than Grrr is better. Scenario C Grape is town, Grrr is maf If we day cop read grape town, we're left with me or RE to lynch. Lynch either then send the cop on him day 2 and we found our maf. Or we can just lynch him direct on Day 1 because D1 is so forgivable and having a lurker burdens the game. Either way, we'll get rid of at least 1 maf at end of 2 days. Scenario D, both are town. We day cop read grape town, we have 1 clear town. Lynch between me RE or grrr. Either gets rid of inactive town or we have 2 cfm clear town by end of day 2 when we send day cop onto Grrr. Still advantageous. If we send day cop on Grrr today, we are at a lost on what to do with Grape and that isn't good. This tunneling is awfully weird imo.. Vote: CorruptedPurity Actual stab it seems. |
logic340 said: It's 4:30am I am going to be for 2 hours. See you all later. You really should get more sleep... Just saying... |
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_Claire_ said: logic340 said: How does still being upset about last game beep you sort me hear? I did try to get on your good side and failed miserably but now I actually your opinion seeing as how we share experience with CP. This should help me to sort both you and Purity. So let's leave the personal feelings aside and talk about what's happening here. I would rather remain neutral for you because its hard to get town to vote for you (if I think you are scum) because you have this "universally town-read" in many games. Which, I dont appreciate. You are Jack all over, good as town (probably...) and deadly as scum (as people refuse to vote). I am kinda okay CP being lynched atm tbh, his post screams enough scum for me. "something else" "Screams enough scum for me" Do these come with actual insight etc? |
Oyasumi_Rosie said: Lam-B said: Considering I didn't believe Penta's claim and that he wasn't claiming at all, I would take a guess that it doesn't matter if its a joke or not.I do hope this is a joke.... ain't no way you'd drop one player and then another following that without processing anything in-between, especially basing it on a bunch of "Let's say~" and the likes. If it didn't matter, it wouldn't have occurred in the first place..... Noted. |
CorruptedPurity said: Also @logic340 you brought up a good point which I have not considered earlier. Why doesn't grape follow through with his threat. At that point, Penta Claire Lam-B and Grrr all were under the category of his (inactive) people but he didn't even mention any of them. Of course now Claire and Lam-B are more active and Penta posted an interesting ISO(?) on me which I would deem to be pro-town. But fact remains that Grape didn't follow through with his grand opening of threatening lurkers. Though it's not vital..... I still cringe every-time I read the whole concept of having "in-active" slapped on me based purely on being in GMT+13, there is a pretty clear difference in most cases. Only times I ever recall falling under that kind of title is the weekend as I have had work then as well as of late, topped off with the fact I'm usually out for the rest of it. It is as crippling for me as it is others, if not more so on my end as it forces a lot of missed opportunities in getting real interaction done and being able to analyse each post when they happen as timing holds a fair bit of value you can't get when playing the catch-up game and throwing notes all over the show. |
CorruptedPurity said: I also like this new Lam-B. Very informative and reads every case closely and provides useful feedback regarding each of them. Town-lean for him. Penta is really rousing me up. He did a very anti-town thing by doing the day cop theory then keeping quiet about it but he followed up by doing a pro-town thing by doing up an ISO on me and legitimately scumhunting. Was gonna scum-lean him but I am going to keep my views on him neutral until I can see how far he is going with this. Grape is responding to my pressure posts as I expect of him. While I don't 100% agree with all of his answers, he does make a point that my meta read on him may be off as I only played 2 games with him (3 including this one). However, logic gave me a new insight on approaching grape regarding how he doesn't follow up with his threats. So slight scum-lean. Also, if he doesn't get lynched today, cop should definitely go on him. Can't blame claire for being on my train. We don't really see eye to eye now do we? Maybe could be scummy for the partial tunnel on me by higher chance that she's just being her. Neutral read on her. Logic is a weird because being scum with him before, he does display some scum symptoms from the previous game of being on everyone's side yet no one's side. However, the previous game he had an extremely weak early game compared to his decent early game this time. So I can't fully judge. If the game drags on, it'll be easier to spot more scum markers from him if he truly is scum. Ouch... though it's kind of a good thing it does hurt a little to see this shit being called "new" for me. I know I've had really terrible D1s for my first two games back, but that was to some extent coming down to the fact both of those started early weekend my time and I was pretty much non-existant and I had no presence close to EoD where thing usually pick up. Content and activity as a whole also helps me partake within my own catch-up of the game, which this game seems to have quite a boost compared to my last couple. |
Lam-B said: I am not sure what u mean. I didn't really find what else to ask about that matter so I left it be.Still seems a little odd a note to make as it doesn't look like it grasping for anything in particular, simply showing notes you weren't expanding on. GRRR!! will answer what he wants and when it suits him at the end of the day and pretty much falls back into doing silly shit for no actual gain, this much I'd assume would be evident by now. The wording was fine.... if you fall too shy of a solid statement it'll have less impact, the rest is just how one wants to let it seem. What more do you actually know, just curious? That indeed wouldn't be surprising if his behaviour in games didn't change at all during all these months since I last played with him. Yes, it was gramatically correct and such, but uhh I mean that it wasn't just a remark from him but a threatening message toward inactives. I suppose this is what he aimed and it really did leave an impact in the thread. Doesn't look like a bad thing tho. I ask myself that too. Right now I feel slightly puzzled on who should I direct my attention most. If u have any specific questions then just ask. |
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_Claire_ said: I see. So, u are kinda biased when u see him?amberwillow said: Clairy, dear, haven't seen you much today. So how does CP look to you now? Also, I didn't catch what exactly u meant here. Is it that u think there should be another train besides this? Sorry >__< my game is way too addicting ugh Cp looks awfully scummish in my eyes and not because he has done something scummy but its something else. |
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logic340 said: Wait, he actually said that? Could u link me to that post?at the time I felt he had the most presence and him forgetting he voted Rosie had just happened which doesn't seem very much like him. |
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logic340 said: That was/is a possibility. But to be more specific, I was thinking that she might not want to be put in a badspot like be questioned if she was to vote u, because there was already a vote on u.amberwillow said: Basically what I took from your initial question to her was that she was trying to keep pressure off of me (her scum buddy) or possibly Claire due to the whole Dogs thing. That's what I thought. But later when we were talking how I understand she meant that it wasn't the case why she voted Cross and not Claire (or how I thought u). She claimed that she had a reason for voting Cross even though she didn't tell it at that moment. On this specific part we kinda agreed to disagree. I still can't be sure if she said it truthfully and probably I won't know until game ends, but what she said sounded relatively honest to me. I felt you insinuated that since she didn't vote me or Claire because one of us may be her partner. Is that what your line of questioning thereafter was about or did you think she slipped in a different way? |
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Grapefruit21 said: CorruptedPurity said: Fourth on the Logic train. No reasoning. The first 2 on the train during RVS is forgivable, the third should be looked into and the fourth must be looked into. You didn't make a joke about why you want to lynch logic, you just joined a train. Why? Strongly disagree with this premise. I think it is a scum plus idea because it makes town afraid to vote, and with no votes we get no wagons which means no reactions. Can you point me to games where this method has caught scum for you? Thank you. This alone would made me put my vote on CP but he already has enough. |
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PentaFlare said: Well, since I didn't get anything out of that attempt to not comment on any of the main wagons, time to do a dump from my notes. Please don't just skip over this because it is a wall or just nod along and move on. I want to know what others think about what I'm bringing up. My thoughts regarding CorruptedPurity: Corrupted is probably mafia. Their actions so far this phase give the impression of a mafia player trying to appear like a productive townie instead of genuine scumhunting. The first post which seems scummy is #51 where they comment on Grapefruit's ultimatum. Paraphrased, the post is "This is a good point, but this isn't normal grapefruit". This emphasis is placed on the second half, being that this isn't normal grapefruit. This kind of post does two things: creates doubt about grapefruit and suggests a scumlean based on meta. However, the post includes only facts and skips the throught process. There isn't a "this is unusual for grape and since I've only seen them as town this different behavious makes me think they are a different alignment". That would be a scumlean, however small (considering this is only the top of the second page). Instead, therefore, the scumlean is not the main intent of this post, so it must be the doubt. Creating doubt about other players so early is scummy because town only cast doubt on decently developed scumreads. In #110, Corrupted talks about the grapefruit post again and makes it even more clear that the goal is not the scumlean because they suggest both a mafia motive behind the change and a town motive behind the change. Possibility of either = doubt. A little further down in #117 they answer my day cop question addressed to Crossbell. They obviously know I'm asking a hypothetical question because they list me as one of the options. Therefore, I can only see one reason for answering the question. They are seizing the opportunity to contribute to just about anything because contribution seems townlike. It is true that town can also try to look like town because getting lynched as town is bad but this is much more often a mafia action because mafia can't rely on genuine towniness. However, the extra thing that tips it further into being a mafia motivated action is that another town member would also be interested in how Cross would respond. Discussing the topic before Cross can answer would likely make Cross's answer less important because of the amount that's been discussed already. (luckily Cross reads and answers in order). It is likely that Corrupted simply wasn't interested in finding out Cross's alignment which a town member wouldn't be. These two things combined make answering the question more mafia-like than townie. #150 also explicitly states there is no scumread on grapefruit. The shade being cast is just for the sake of casting shade. It is true that #155 is expressing a town mindset. Taking a close look at voters who build large trains is important. However, this isn't a very strong townlean. The three scumleans mentioned so far are adding up to a stronger swing that way. I'm not going to cite much of the discussion of cop checks and order of priority. It is nice that they are expressing suspicions, but overall I find it non-alignment indicative. The only other posts are trying to pry information out of me but that is also non-alignment indicative because I was being so antitown that I was a super easy target to pressure no matter what the alignment of the person doing the pressuring was. That's all for now folks! You are right, but sadly CP is town. Please vote someone else. (CP was the 123 guy before he was even voted. He obviously couldn't have planned this ahead.) P.S.: About crossbell, he unexpectedly does the weirdest decision. I wouldn't bother talk to crossbell (don't tell him). |
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grrr said: Is ur town read on him based solely on that 12345 post?Oh nevermind actually CP is town confirmed. I forgot who the 123 guy was, so I went back to check. CP is the 123 guy. Can we lynch someone else today? (like logic? but honestly anyone but CP is fine. ) I vouch for CP . |
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CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: Well, since I didn't get anything out of that attempt to not comment on any of the main wagons, time to do a dump from my notes. Please don't just skip over this because it is a wall or just nod along and move on. I want to know what others think about what I'm bringing up. My thoughts regarding CorruptedPurity: Corrupted is probably mafia. Their actions so far this phase give the impression of a mafia player trying to appear like a productive townie instead of genuine scumhunting. The first post which seems scummy is #51 where they comment on Grapefruit's ultimatum. Paraphrased, the post is "This is a good point, but this isn't normal grapefruit". This emphasis is placed on the second half, being that this isn't normal grapefruit. This kind of post does two things: creates doubt about grapefruit and suggests a scumlean based on meta. However, the post includes only facts and skips the throught process. There isn't a "this is unusual for grape and since I've only seen them as town this different behavious makes me think they are a different alignment". That would be a scumlean, however small (considering this is only the top of the second page). Instead, therefore, the scumlean is not the main intent of this post, so it must be the doubt. Creating doubt about other players so early is scummy because town only cast doubt on decently developed scumreads. In #110, Corrupted talks about the grapefruit post again and makes it even more clear that the goal is not the scumlean because they suggest both a mafia motive behind the change and a town motive behind the change. Possibility of either = doubt. A little further down in #117 they answer my day cop question addressed to Crossbell. They obviously know I'm asking a hypothetical question because they list me as one of the options. Therefore, I can only see one reason for answering the question. They are seizing the opportunity to contribute to just about anything because contribution seems townlike. It is true that town can also try to look like town because getting lynched as town is bad but this is much more often a mafia action because mafia can't rely on genuine towniness. However, the extra thing that tips it further into being a mafia motivated action is that another town member would also be interested in how Cross would respond. Discussing the topic before Cross can answer would likely make Cross's answer less important because of the amount that's been discussed already. (luckily Cross reads and answers in order). It is likely that Corrupted simply wasn't interested in finding out Cross's alignment which a town member wouldn't be. These two things combined make answering the question more mafia-like than townie. #150 also explicitly states there is no scumread on grapefruit. The shade being cast is just for the sake of casting shade. It is true that #155 is expressing a town mindset. Taking a close look at voters who build large trains is important. However, this isn't a very strong townlean. The three scumleans mentioned so far are adding up to a stronger swing that way. I'm not going to cite much of the discussion of cop checks and order of priority. It is nice that they are expressing suspicions, but overall I find it non-alignment indicative. The only other posts are trying to pry information out of me but that is also non-alignment indicative because I was being so antitown that I was a super easy target to pressure no matter what the alignment of the person doing the pressuring was. That's all for now folks! Ok. Thanks for giving me something to play with. Let's break this down. Regarding post #51. Maybe that post is supposed to do something outside the two you suggested, maybe the purpose of my post is to pressure Grapefruit (which is working, he is responding to it). As I said, I don't like voting without substantial evidence. From my POV, I had reasons to suspect Grapfruit but it isn't enough, I need him to post more for me to get more reads off of him and more evidence off of him. Scumlean is not my main intent of that post, it is to set up for future scum leans depending on how Grape responded. Maybe I did create doubt in some other's but it is merely an unintended side effect of me pushing into Grape. #110. I push onto him because I want to determine if he was scum. Based on his responses, I cannot 100% nail him down as scum and thus need to keep my views open. Or would you rather me tunnel on him to be scum? #117. This is an interesting one. I thought you were asking hypothetical cop and although I wasn't Cross, I was dying to talk to someone, anyone, about anything. You posed an interesting question and thus I decided to stick my nose into it (maybe I was wrong to do so but I was so bored, I'm sorry). Things got slightly out of hand when I mistaken day cop for normal cop and got others involved, not necessarily a bad thing because that is more information we can look back on in the future. Now, the second part. I don't know if you're overvaluing getting information from Cross or I'm undervaluing it. Cross has done nothing to raise any scum alerts in me so no I wasn't interested in finding out much about him at the time, maybe in the future but as of that moment, no. I thought that my answer would've stopped there instead of going rampant with the rest so I honestly did not expect my involvement to hinder your read on Cross, and I must apologize for that. What I didn't like was your lack of involvement in the discussion you started. But that's not the point, I'll save my suspicions of you for a different post. I really think you're overvaluing Cross and blaming me for ruining your read, cos I don't see a scum in myself in that play. #150 Starting to sound like a broken recorder here but I as I said, I'm not throwing shade to cast doubt or shit. I want to pressure him, I don't want to lynch him yet as I need more evidence of him being scum to give myself the conviction to place the Grape vote. "The only other posts are trying to pry information out of me but that is also non-alignment indicative because I was being so antitown that I was a super easy target to pressure no matter what the alignment of the person doing the pressuring was." You seem to know your own predicament. Is this intentional or not? Why would you want to appear anti-town? I can't see #51 as pressure because it isn't. To be pressuring someone, you need to be trying to elicit a change from them. Your post was commenting on grape's meta. It is related to how they've decided to play this game. Just saying "Hey, you are playing differently" isn't going to change how they play. Why wouldn't you be interested in learning about Cross? Even if you don't scumread Cross, you should still be trying to sort all players one way or another. The only reason to not be interest is if you already know. The way you are saying that you don't have the evidence to place a vote yet is incredibly scummy. You don't believe grape is vote-worthy yet, so you are just going to push them until you can find anything to support a vote. You've already decided what your read is going to be and are just finding ways to support it. Yes my anti-town behaviour was intentional, try rereading my exchange with grape before my wall post. |
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CorruptedPurity said: RE1031 said: I don't mean just an answer (I know he answered, he did it super casually), I mean that kind of behavior raises eyebrows. The lack of a raised eyebrow from Crossbell is questionable to me, especially since the rest of us were suspicious of Penta. He gave a standard answer, nothing to raise eyebrows over of course. Maybe because I ruined it? But regardless, if there is something for us to know about Cross, Penta would eventually tell us... Like on Day 7 maybe... maybe? There are times when explaining my reason for doing things would ruin what I'm trying to get out of it. |
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amberwillow said: Lam-B was the first to pick up on it in #94.logic340 said: Wait, he actually said that? Could u link me to that post?at the time I felt he had the most presence and him forgetting he voted Rosie had just happened which doesn't seem very much like him. #65 - He votes Rosie for posting a picture of a dog #75 - He asks Crossbell to join the RE train with him. #94 - Lam-B notices the discrepancy #96 - A little defensive but admits he forgot his vote? #98 - Her Lam-B states he was saying he was blind but Grape's response still works. #101 - Back on RE no reasons given Choo Choo, no brakes, etc... |
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Lam-B said: Case is sounding a little bit forced. The animosity carrying over from a previous game isn't helping me feel comfortable about that read either._Claire_ said: I would rather remain neutral for you because its hard to get town to vote for you (if I think you are scum) because you have this "universally town-read" in many games. Which, I dont appreciate. You are Jack all over, good as town (probably...) and deadly as scum (as people refuse to vote). I am kinda okay CP being lynched atm tbh, his post screams enough scum for me. "something else" "Screams enough scum for me" Do these come with actual insight etc? |
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grrr said: Oh nevermind actually CP is town confirmed. I forgot who the 123 guy was, so I went back to check. CP is the 123 guy. Can we lynch someone else today? (like logic? but honestly anyone but CP is fine. ) I vouch for CP . Explain this because it makes no sense to me. Still want to lynch @CorruptedPurity real badly. I'm really struggling to tell if they are playing an awful town game or just actually scum. Because every single thing they are suggesting seems wrong to me. CorruptedPurity said: I also like this new Lam-B. Very informative and reads every case closely and provides useful feedback regarding each of them. Town-lean for him. Penta is really rousing me up. He did a very anti-town thing by doing the day cop theory then keeping quiet about it but he followed up by doing a pro-town thing by doing up an ISO on me and legitimately scumhunting. Was gonna scum-lean him but I am going to keep my views on him neutral until I can see how far he is going with this. Grape is responding to my pressure posts as I expect of him. While I don't 100% agree with all of his answers, he does make a point that my meta read on him may be off as I only played 2 games with him (3 including this one). However, logic gave me a new insight on approaching grape regarding how he doesn't follow up with his threats. So slight scum-lean. Also, if he doesn't get lynched today, cop should definitely go on him. Can't blame claire for being on my train. We don't really see eye to eye now do we? Maybe could be scummy for the partial tunnel on me by higher chance that she's just being her. Neutral read on her. Logic is a weird because being scum with him before, he does display some scum symptoms from the previous game of being on everyone's side yet no one's side. However, the previous game he had an extremely weak early game compared to his decent early game this time. So I can't fully judge. If the game drags on, it'll be easier to spot more scum markers from him if he truly is scum. In this post for example. In no world did Penta do an anti town play by asking Cross who they'd check. Penta might be scum, but that post isn't scummy. And the Claire part says actual nothing. Feels like scum trying to appear towny. But if grrr is actually onto something Rosie is a good second place to look for posts like this one. Oyasumi_Rosie said: RE1031 said: I've been thinking of voting them myself today, to test the waters. But it can come off too OMGYS if I am not careful so, waiting for some sort of slip upHm, then thoughts on CorruptedPurity? You two are the most suspicious to me at the moment. Incredibly fence sitty and non commital while saying nonsense like appearing OMGUS towards someone who hasn't voted for them. PentaFlare hasn't done anything outside their scum range but suggesting that they are even close to acting scummy right now is laughable. I am going to bed soon but will be up and active for phase change hopefully. I want to have everyone's opinions on the CPurity and a top 3 town list in the morning. |
logic340 said: _Claire_ said: Are you playing with me right now? You quoted the question in your initial response and it's there in the quote now?What qtn again? I want your take on CP's meta read of Grapefruit and tell me how it compares with your own? I would also like to talk with you about CP seeing as how we have both played games on the same mafia team as him. If he's mafia here you and I should be able to nail him? I have no say to Grapefruit. From what I see, both of us are very upset with previous game, as we believe and we had caught scum, but town just refused to listen. I wouldn't blame him if he was very fired up in the beginning. Because I were too. Towns were very unbearable recently, not sure why. Also he doesnt follow up, I think there is a rL reason, or some other? Tbh, I dont have much meta-read on him. CP? You know, I have been talking about him all this game, pretty sure you know what I think of him. |
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CorruptedPurity said: Actually... @_Claire_ Have you already decided that I'm scum and nothing I say can convince you otherwise so I should not waste my time? Cause I have a lot of time to discuss my condition with you (Automata isn't out in Singapore yet TwT) Nah dont waste your time. OH you are from Sg?! :> sia! |
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amberwillow said: So you think that RE felt she would be put in a bad spot if she voted me right after Crossbell did? So the post about giving Dog Lovers a reprieve was her way of staying off my train? logic340 said: That was/is a possibility. But to be more specific, I was thinking that she might not want to be put in a badspot like be questioned if she was to vote u, because there was already a vote on u.Basically what I took from your initial question to her was that she was trying to keep pressure off of me (her scum buddy) or possibly Claire due to the whole Dogs thing. I felt you insinuated that since she didn't vote me or Claire because one of us may be her partner. Is that what your line of questioning thereafter was about or did you think she slipped in a different way? That sounds like a weird conclusion for you to come to? Now if you are suspecting RE of protecting a scum buddy (me or Claire). Then it makes sense. If I'm her partner she can use the dog lover pardon to not have to vote for me etc. But if that is the case she could have just voted Claire? If Claire was her partner she could have me? But I had a vote and might bring questions that way so she voted Crossbell? You got all that from that opening post? So basically for this to make any sense RE would have to be protecting Claire her teammate and not want to comment on me due to a vote already being there. Why not just place and RVS and not say anything about the dog lovers? I am having trouble seeing this as a scum slip can you explain it to me further? |
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amberwillow said: _Claire_ said: I see. So, u are kinda biased when u see him?Sorry >__< my game is way too addicting ugh Cp looks awfully scummish in my eyes and not because he has done something scummy but its something else. I suppose so. |
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Grapefruit21 said: Are you exaggerating with "every single thing they do" or are yo beign serious? If serious can you link "every single thing" that makes you want to lynch Purity?grrr said: Oh nevermind actually CP is town confirmed. I forgot who the 123 guy was, so I went back to check. CP is the 123 guy. Can we lynch someone else today? (like logic? but honestly anyone but CP is fine. ) I vouch for CP . Explain this because it makes no sense to me. Still want to lynch @CorruptedPurity real badly. I'm really struggling to tell if they are playing an awful town game or just actually scum. Because every single thing they are suggesting seems wrong to me. CorruptedPurity said: I also like this new Lam-B. Very informative and reads every case closely and provides useful feedback regarding each of them. Town-lean for him. Penta is really rousing me up. He did a very anti-town thing by doing the day cop theory then keeping quiet about it but he followed up by doing a pro-town thing by doing up an ISO on me and legitimately scumhunting. Was gonna scum-lean him but I am going to keep my views on him neutral until I can see how far he is going with this. Grape is responding to my pressure posts as I expect of him. While I don't 100% agree with all of his answers, he does make a point that my meta read on him may be off as I only played 2 games with him (3 including this one). However, logic gave me a new insight on approaching grape regarding how he doesn't follow up with his threats. So slight scum-lean. Also, if he doesn't get lynched today, cop should definitely go on him. Can't blame claire for being on my train. We don't really see eye to eye now do we? Maybe could be scummy for the partial tunnel on me by higher chance that she's just being her. Neutral read on her. Logic is a weird because being scum with him before, he does display some scum symptoms from the previous game of being on everyone's side yet no one's side. However, the previous game he had an extremely weak early game compared to his decent early game this time. So I can't fully judge. If the game drags on, it'll be easier to spot more scum markers from him if he truly is scum. In this post for example. In no world did Penta do an anti town play by asking Cross who they'd check. Penta might be scum, but that post isn't scummy. And the Claire part says actual nothing. Feels like scum trying to appear towny. But if grrr is actually onto something Rosie is a good second place to look for posts like this one. Oyasumi_Rosie said: I've been thinking of voting them myself today, to test the waters. But it can come off too OMGYS if I am not careful so, waiting for some sort of slip up Incredibly fence sitty and non commital while saying nonsense like appearing OMGUS towards someone who hasn't voted for them. PentaFlare hasn't done anything outside their scum range but suggesting that they are even close to acting scummy right now is laughable. I am going to bed soon but will be up and active for phase change hopefully. I want to have everyone's opinions on the CPurity and a top 3 town list in the morning. You bump heads with people a lot and need to start thinking about ideological differences rather than always scum posturing differences. I dare say your push (grrr and Claire's) seem a bit vindictive in nature. Last game is over this is a different beast. I disagree with your assessment of Penta (who admits to playing anti-town). I do believe that his Day Cop play hurt the town some with the confusion it caused (felt similar to early mechanics discussion in Alcatraz) turned out to be something that hindered the town. Confusion is a good place/way for mafia to hid among the town. We should cause less of it for ourselves. Grapefruit21 said: I think your read and push on Purity are BS and coming from a biased place. grrr said: Oh nevermind actually CP is town confirmed. I forgot who the 123 guy was, so I went back to check. CP is the 123 guy. Can we lynch someone else today? (like logic? but honestly anyone but CP is fine. ) I vouch for CP . Explain this because it makes no sense to me. Still want to lynch @CorruptedPurity real badly. I'm really struggling to tell if they are playing an awful town game or just actually scum. Because every single thing they are suggesting seems wrong to me. CorruptedPurity said: I also like this new Lam-B. Very informative and reads every case closely and provides useful feedback regarding each of them. Town-lean for him. Penta is really rousing me up. He did a very anti-town thing by doing the day cop theory then keeping quiet about it but he followed up by doing a pro-town thing by doing up an ISO on me and legitimately scumhunting. Was gonna scum-lean him but I am going to keep my views on him neutral until I can see how far he is going with this. Grape is responding to my pressure posts as I expect of him. While I don't 100% agree with all of his answers, he does make a point that my meta read on him may be off as I only played 2 games with him (3 including this one). However, logic gave me a new insight on approaching grape regarding how he doesn't follow up with his threats. So slight scum-lean. Also, if he doesn't get lynched today, cop should definitely go on him. Can't blame claire for being on my train. We don't really see eye to eye now do we? Maybe could be scummy for the partial tunnel on me by higher chance that she's just being her. Neutral read on her. Logic is a weird because being scum with him before, he does display some scum symptoms from the previous game of being on everyone's side yet no one's side. However, the previous game he had an extremely weak early game compared to his decent early game this time. So I can't fully judge. If the game drags on, it'll be easier to spot more scum markers from him if he truly is scum. In this post for example. In no world did Penta do an anti town play by asking Cross who they'd check. Penta might be scum, but that post isn't scummy. And the Claire part says actual nothing. Feels like scum trying to appear towny. But if grrr is actually onto something Rosie is a good second place to look for posts like this one. Oyasumi_Rosie said: I've been thinking of voting them myself today, to test the waters. But it can come off too OMGYS if I am not careful so, waiting for some sort of slip up Incredibly fence sitty and non commital while saying nonsense like appearing OMGUS towards someone who hasn't voted for them. PentaFlare hasn't done anything outside their scum range but suggesting that they are even close to acting scummy right now is laughable. I am going to bed soon but will be up and active for phase change hopefully. I want to have everyone's opinions on the CPurity and a top 3 town list in the morning. I hate to be this guy but take your loss like a man and move on. |
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I hate to be this guy but something is off I want to hear what people think of Claire, grrr, and Grapefruit. I am sensing that they are still holding a grudge for previous game in regards to me and CP (scum team). Maybe I wouldn't care if they weren't so dead set on making town perform better but how is blindly being biased against the people who defeated you helping in this game? I want to call attention to this fact and believe that everyone should weigh in I feel it's holding them back or their is scum among them and they want retribution. @Grapefruit21 - How are you dealing with you warning? There have been and are inactive player not talking about top trains. One Vote Man didn't follow through and got lynched I will lynch you for not following through! @_Claire_ - The fact that the scum team from the previous game are your only suspects concerns me. @grrr - the fact that you are only willing to weight in on me and Purity is suspicious as hell. I know you like to draw attention to yourself so not sure what it means for your alignment. |
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logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: For me the ISO doesn't excuse not following through on the thread because they have nothing to do with one another. What compounds this is when Penta asked about being his purposeful opposition Grapefruit said he left him to do what he wanted which runs counter to the threat imo. Maybe I am looking at that wrong but then there is grrr...I want to see how Grape tackles this one. Follow through is important just ask 1-vote-man (Soren).Also @logic340 you brought up a good point which I have not considered earlier. Why doesn't grape follow through with his threat. At that point, Penta Claire Lam-B and Grrr all were under the category of his (inactive) people but he didn't even mention any of them. Of course now Claire and Lam-B are more active and Penta posted an interesting ISO(?) on me which I would deem to be pro-town. But fact remains that Grape didn't follow through with his grand opening of threatening lurkers. I personally don't see grape not pushing me as scummy because the explanation makes sense: 1. I kind of overdid my not providing input by being adamant about not saying anything, which could too someone off that I had something in mind. 2. They said I was still generating activity even if it wasn't reads. It's true. Basically, it comes down to trying to keep an objective view on my own play to know if what someone is saying about me is merited and I think grape's reasoning is merited. |
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Grapefruit21 said: Someone asked me a question am I supposed to act as if it didn't happen? And I don't understand you comparison to the RB fiasco care to elaborate or for me so I can understand it?@logic340 speaking of cases carrying over you nailed me to the floor with inconsistencies like forgetting I moved a vote (see the RB targeting fiasco). You would not have forgotten so quickly so why are you perpetuating that read? Being unhappy with a loss is one thing but carrying over that feeling with 3 super salty RVS votes while the game was on going and players from that game were here was just wrong. You guys basically telegraphed I was scum in this game to the point that RE went to look at the game (Drawing your first vote on her). Nah this is a different game an you aren't going to use the fact that I was able to get you to vote me or CP here. Find reasons in this game. The CP thing is weak and need to find an new target. Also if he is scum who is his team don't get stuck in another tunnel for days if you can't get this lynch through today. |
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Lam-B said: PentaFlare said: Well, since I didn't get anything out of that attempt to not comment on any of the main wagons, time to do a dump from my notes. Please don't just skip over this because it is a wall or just nod along and move on. I want to know what others think about what I'm bringing up. My thoughts regarding CorruptedPurity: Corrupted is probably mafia. Their actions so far this phase give the impression of a mafia player trying to appear like a productive townie instead of genuine scumhunting. The first post which seems scummy is #51 where they comment on Grapefruit's ultimatum. Paraphrased, the post is "This is a good point, but this isn't normal grapefruit". This emphasis is placed on the second half, being that this isn't normal grapefruit. This kind of post does two things: creates doubt about grapefruit and suggests a scumlean based on meta. However, the post includes only facts and skips the throught process. There isn't a "this is unusual for grape and since I've only seen them as town this different behavious makes me think they are a different alignment". That would be a scumlean, however small (considering this is only the top of the second page). Instead, therefore, the scumlean is not the main intent of this post, so it must be the doubt. Creating doubt about other players so early is scummy because town only cast doubt on decently developed scumreads. In #110, Corrupted talks about the grapefruit post again and makes it even more clear that the goal is not the scumlean because they suggest both a mafia motive behind the change and a town motive behind the change. Possibility of either = doubt. A little further down in #117 they answer my day cop question addressed to Crossbell. They obviously know I'm asking a hypothetical question because they list me as one of the options. Therefore, I can only see one reason for answering the question. They are seizing the opportunity to contribute to just about anything because contribution seems townlike. It is true that town can also try to look like town because getting lynched as town is bad but this is much more often a mafia action because mafia can't rely on genuine towniness. However, the extra thing that tips it further into being a mafia motivated action is that another town member would also be interested in how Cross would respond. Discussing the topic before Cross can answer would likely make Cross's answer less important because of the amount that's been discussed already. (luckily Cross reads and answers in order). It is likely that Corrupted simply wasn't interested in finding out Cross's alignment which a town member wouldn't be. These two things combined make answering the question more mafia-like than townie. #150 also explicitly states there is no scumread on grapefruit. The shade being cast is just for the sake of casting shade. It is true that #155 is expressing a town mindset. Taking a close look at voters who build large trains is important. However, this isn't a very strong townlean. The three scumleans mentioned so far are adding up to a stronger swing that way. I'm not going to cite much of the discussion of cop checks and order of priority. It is nice that they are expressing suspicions, but overall I find it non-alignment indicative. The only other posts are trying to pry information out of me but that is also non-alignment indicative because I was being so antitown that I was a super easy target to pressure no matter what the alignment of the person doing the pressuring was. That's all for now folks! aaanndd there we go, seems a little narrowed down but it's something, though I do assume you have more notes on others by this point outside of the obvious focus here. While most of this seems solid, I wouldn't bet on the fact that "town only cast doubt on decently developed scumreads" and it comes a little more naturally than you seem to believe. Yeah. I have more notes on other people, I just don't want to change their play by revealing them unless I plan to drop a vote on someone. If someone knows all the reasons I'm scumleaning or townleaning them they can adjust. If I only give snippets then I am more likely to catch someone continuing to do something townie or scummy naturally and strengthen my read. |
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