Fuuka Chapter 37 Discussion

noob_senpai said:


Why people want to drop this?
1. It ruined Suzuka, plus proved that Seo treats his characters as garbage. Not just Fuuka, her parents too. Will you be happy knowing that he would just do anything to anyone at anytime, just so he gets more attention? If no and you read his work further, prepare for ripping your d*ck off on a regular basis.
2. If you started reading it in the hope that it will go with the "usual" happy end, there is no point to continue. Not everyone wants to see depressing psychological struggles.
3. Killing off main characters became a cheap trick by now, used for publicity. ACTUAL work in making the story interesting is secondary or completely neglected.
4. In case your reason was to read it so far because she was a lovable character, losing interest now is normal. At this point, Yuu and his relationships aren't interesting enough to carry this further. Character development is difficult, if there is no character to develop.
5. Sensing that whatever he does after this is going to be a waste of time. If she comes back the rage train will hit again. If she is dead for good, very good writing skills are necessary to continue. If a new girl comes that is like her, it is just too typical. So whatever will happen will piss off people slowly (either because it is too standard, or because it is too extreme) - rage train will roll in again. Also, if this "genius" (more like genious) move will hit back at Seo in sales at one point, this can even get the axe.

Xari said:


Not everyone wants to see depressing psychological struggles.
- Yet, that seems to be a central theme in both Suzuka and KNIM. Love stories without drama are boring. Name one romantic manga you've read that hasn't had either action that threatened its bond, an unfortunate event that nearly severed (or did sever) their relationship, or etc. We look forward to the happy end in the manga after all the hardships. We enjoy reading something that proves to us that hard work and suffering will eventually lead to a happy ending.

Seo merely introduces Fuuka's death as development for the MC. It's interesting, tragic, and meaningful. And just as there are people who don't want to read something tragic, there are also others (who are probably equal in number) that don't want a classic vanilla drama.

Jakerams said:
Yuu should hunt down that driver.

I highly doubt this but it would be nice if Fuuka faked her death as a publicity stunt.

It would really be nice if Lucia would have Yuta child and it becomes the demon lord and destroys the Earth.

Gravis said:
I'll ask again, but wasn't this series originally advertised as "Supernatural" when KNIM was about to end? I can't recall it clearly though.

noob_senpai said:


I'm not really in the mood to argue, so I will try to keep it to the main problem: there are a ton of novels and novel series that do the same. Okay, not the same, because only Seo has the fetish of killing off characters with trucks (Suzuka's first love, and now Fuuka), maybe he was a truck driver. At this rate I stick to my opinion that this was a cheap trick to get attention, good stories kill off characters smarter.

Anyway, there are a lot of ways to resolve this, strangely, none of them feels satisfying. The way I (someone with no creativity) would go with this is a dark, meaningless path. Start the next chapter with timeskip, showing Yuu after a big concert returning home, and later waking up in the middle of the night. His place decorated with records, trophies, etc., basically the stuff they got in years, the way they became "legend" with the band called Fuuka. Suddenly he realises that Fuuka (the girl) is next to him. With some cliche discussion we would go back again in time, to catch up on things. Yuu's struggles with relationships, issues with his behavior after he is slowly eaten away by the realization that she is gone, and the core of it, the band that's a constant reminder but was her dream. Then after a ton of generic stuff I mentioned, we arrive to the future scene. However now things are different. We don't see only the great things as a result of the band, but as the conversation goes by, we would discover also more of Yuu's surroundings: bottles everywhere, huge mess, needlemarks on his arm with one needle still sticking out. Then Fuuka would tell him like "let's go" and finally we would see Yuu's body still sitting on the bed in a half-conscious state, while he is chatting with "Fuuka" in his last moments.
I know it's stupid, but I can't see him being genuinely happy throughout his life. It's an extreme way to wrap it up, but a cheap solution to get a lot of readers by tricking them again. Also, it is consistent with his character killing... oh, wait, I need a truck ramming into his room in the final scene :(
This reminds me: what a twist would be, if Yuu would end up dating, the "antagonist": the truck!

belatkuro said:
SEOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Xari said:

- Or Yuu could live for her sake, push through for her memories, and experience her dreams. If he is able to overcome the tragedy and discover a new meaning to his life, then the Yuu we know right now can become an extremely strong protagonist.

The sacrifice of one character empowers another in this case (my case). It doesn't have to be bleak as you note. It can be one very tragic event that provides fuel for wholesome development.


The largest issue at hand is that you're looking at the story from one very skewed perspective: that Fuuka's death is tragic, and the manga as a result is going to become tragic.


I've noted your perspective. In fact, if it does go that way I'd be sorely disappointed; however, the difference between you and me is that I don't exclude the possibilities, nor relegate the significance of her death to some pity role as Yamato's and Suzuka's daughter. Doing that is beneath the characters (and an insult). We have to be open to the fact that yes, Fuuka's death sucks dick and is a large reason why people are hating the manga, but simultaneously serves as a symbolic event for Yuu that pushes him to become a better person (or worse, if we go the tragic route).

Her death shouldn't signal a flag of "good manga" or "bad manga." It's too soon to tell, and doing so would be ignorant of what Seo has in store. We're simply judging the manga off of her death, which is pretty bad :/

Xari said:
This was great. I'm not sure why a lot of people suddenly want to drop this manga. Her death is incredibly impactful and will probably serve for a lot of character development. Tokyo Ghoul had a lot of deaths, but people loved it for its tragedy. I don't see why it has to be any different with Fuuka.

If she somehow gets reincarnated though ...

Xari said:
Are you seriously comparing Fuuka with Tokyo Ghoul? First of all, they're in two completely separate genres of manga. The appeal of Tokyo Ghoul draws itself from the dark mood/atmosphere that is presented from Ch. 1 of the manga.
- And your point is? ... There isn't one. Who cares if they have different moods? Main characters dying is present across all genres, and not just the violent ones.


The readers who read Tokyo Ghoul should expect some sort of tragedy, anguish, and despair which, effectively, creates what is known as an "audience."
- Right, because that's exactly what everyone was hoping for at the end, right? Kaneki's "death"? No, that was a surprise, just as Fuuka's death was a surprise. The fact you hate the death proves nothing about the story going up in flames.


The type of audience reading Fuuka from Ch. 1 are those expecting something similar to Seo Kouji's two previously related works being Suzuka and Kimi no Iru Machi.
- They expect drama, and they got it. If this story is about Yuu moving on and becoming stronger because of Fuuka's death it will be even more meaningful. We've had two mangas dedicated to a fulfilled love. What's so bad about having a main character live for his love?


Besides, the only meaningful character deaths in Tokyo Ghoul happened to occur in the last chapter, and we're not absolutely 100% sure if one, or both, of them truly
- You're right there; however, you're forgetting Tokyo Ghoul has a sequel manga that will cover that. Fuuka as of now is only one chapter. Her death should be in the earlier scenes.


I appreciate the amount of effort that the author put into differentiating this work from his others, but I don't think that he had go this far.
- Yeah, it was shocking wasn't it? Yet, when you still look at the manga overall it looks pretty strong. People are just overreacting about the death of one of their more favorite characters.


For instance, character progression can be created in many ways without using death as the catalyst, as the MC was already developing after meeting Fuuka, so it's not as if we can say that there is no character progression prior to Fuuka's death. Also, the majority of Fuuka's audience probably picked this manga up to see what is essentially a continuation of Yamato and Suzuka's story. Fuuka's death serves to only backhand readers with such expectations, and, in that regard, it's not surprising that some would choose to drop this manga. I'm not going to say that this story is ruined as it can certainly become a masterpiece in the end; but, the problem is that hardly any of us were expecting or wanting a "masterpiece" to begin with.[/b]
- You're right, and rightfully so. We were all expecting Seo's predictability and were pleasantly (or shockingly) surprised.

Aluvis said:

Well, I'm glad that you understood part of my reply. It's better than nothing I suppose.

-SPOILER ALERT FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT FINISHED TOKYO GHOUL-

1. There is a point to the moods being different in each manga. That's why I stated it. You can't expect all deaths to have the same impact, meaning, or relevance in every genre of storytelling. A death is not always simply a death. In the case of Fuuka, it will probably serve as more character development for Yuu; however, in the case of Kaneki, his death served as liberation and resolution. The deaths of the two are completely different according to the type of plot that they served to progress. According to the mood and thematic material of Tokyo Ghoul, Kaneki's death was very well-placed and "expected" in retrospective view. However, according to the type of manga that Fuuka is (shounen slice-of-life romance), I don't see how you would be able to say that her death is "well-placed." It was just so sudden and emotionally detached.

2. You somehow interpreted my statement completely incorrectly here. I never once stated that the readers were 'hoping" for any death especially Kaneki's. I don't who would have WANTED or HOPED for the death of the MC; and, I'm sorry to say this, but if you didn't suspect the most remote possibility that Kaneki would die in the end then you're a bit naive in the genre. The central theme of Tokyo Ghoul is the tribulation of the protagonist. For the first half of the manga, it is more of an external struggle as Kaneki attempted to adapt to his new surroundings and lifestyle; however, for the second part, it is completely psychological as he strayed somewhere between being crazy and bad-shit nuts. He didn't get better as the manga progressed, and, by the time of the last battle, I was heavily suspecting that he might die. There were no clues for Fuuka except, obviously, for the last image of the previous chapter.

3. You're right. We were all expecting drama; but death does not equal "drama" as there are many ways to create drama.

I don't think anyone was expecting death, and I certainly don't think anyone was expecting Fuuka to be the one to get the short end of the stick. I suppose it's not completely bad that she died, but I definitely think it was a little too early.

To me, it was nice to see how well the relationship between Yuu and Fuuka was going, despite it being extremely foreboding, and it just sucks to see it go away so soon.

4. I didn't forget anything. I neglected to mention it as I thought it was implied. However, it is quite interesting that you're the one to bring up the fact that the sequel manga is going to explain, or "cover", the "deaths" of Kaneki and, hopefully, Amon. If you, yourself, are not entirely convinced that they both died then why bring up Tokyo Ghoul in the first place?

I don't think many readers were emotionally attached to the nameless characters eaten by ghouls.

Xari said:
- Your problem seems to lie in the fact that Fuuka died in a sudden manner. No foreshadowing. Nada. Everything was going great until she had to go and get hit, right? Death doesn't have to be foreshadowed, nor does it have to be expected. When you cross the road, you can't anticipate that there'll be a drunken driver flooring it at 90mph around the corner 24/7. You can always look both ways before crossing, and you can always proceed cautiously, but you can't anticipate every little thing. People die in sudden ways. It's not unrealistic for Fuuka to get hit. People are just angry that everything was going smoothly and then Seo pulled a fast one on us and killed a personal favorite of many people.

- While death is central to Tokyo Ghoul, it doesn't detract from the fact that people weren't furious over his death. No one wanted Kaneki to die, just like how no one wanted Fuuka to die. We were hoping he'd pull a power-up and go ape-shit on Arima. No. He got impaled through his skull and we're left with a whole list of victims that are unconfirmed as MIA or KIA.

- No, actually death does equal drama (eg influence drama). Maybe not the drama you were expecting, but death certainly has an influence over how dramatic something is.

- We're talking about Kaneki and major supporting characters here. Amon and Kaneki were the most tragic deaths in the first series of Tokyo Ghoul, and no one seemed to be angry over their passing. If anything, it made the series much more symbolic, just as how Fuuka's passing should be incredibly symbolic towards our MC.

Aluvis said:

Yes, I have a problem with how she died in such a sudden manner. It has little to do with being "realistic" or not, but as a literary device employed by the author.

First of all, if your idea of "realistic" stories are those that include sudden, undramatic deaths then I'm sorry for the bit of sadism in you.

Reality is what we live in, and it's not an everyday occurrence for people we know to die by trucks or in any sudden manner.

Second of all, I don't read manga, or any sort of literature, to try and emulate reality; I do it to fill in the void that I miss from living a general life.

Having a character that I'm fond of unexpectedly die for the over-used reason of "character development" isn't something that I seek in literary works.

however, something about Fuuka's death doesn't make sense to me. The timing and "reason" for it all doesn't fit with the whole genre and audience of the manga, which is what I've been trying to get across to you from the beginning with our discussion of the different moods of both Tokyo Ghoul and Fuuka.

Please make up your mind. Either death does equal drama, or it influences it. I'll give you the benefit of informing you that the former option is incorrect. It's honestly elementary logic. Bananas and apples are fruits, but not all fruits are bananas and apples. The more detailed version of this is the basics of subset theory. Equivalency is only made possible when two, or more, subjects in question share all elements and subsidiary components.

Death is a part of drama while drama is not apart of death; therefore, the two are not equal. If they were, then all dramatic events would result in death. I'm not trying to be nick-picky or prove my intellectual prowess as it's important to distinguish the two as completely separate points of interest for readers of Fuuka. We picked up Fuuka expecting drama, not death.

Yes, I know that we're talking about Kaneki and major supporting characters here; please don't reply to my sentences out of context. I've been trying to explain this to you but Fuuka and Kaneki's deaths are completely different from one other. If no one seemed to be angry over Amon and Kaneki's deaths, it's because they made SENSE and were "well-placed" according to the genre of the manga, while Fuuka's death is the exact opposite which is why there's a lot of negative reaction to it. I already talked about the symbolism of both Kaneki's and Fuuka's deaths in an earlier reply, but you should note that dying as a catalyst for character progression is not symbolism.

Aluvis said:
-SPOILER ALERT FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT FINISHED TOKYO GHOUL-


Yes, I have a problem with how she died in such a sudden manner. It has little to do with being "realistic" or not, but as a literary device employed by the author. First of all, if your idea of "realistic" stories are those that include sudden, undramatic deaths then I'm sorry for the bit of sadism in you. Reality is what we live in, and it's not an everyday occurrence for people we know to die by trucks or in any sudden manner. Second of all, I don't read manga, or any sort of literature, to try and emulate reality; I do it to fill in the void that I miss from living a general life. Having a character that I'm fond of unexpectedly die for the over-used reason of "character development" isn't something that I seek in literary works. That being said, it's not as if I only read works that are sunshine and rainbows. I actually love stories with protagonists that struggle internally and externally, hence why I know about Tokyo Ghoul and why I started this argument with you in the first place; however, something about Fuuka's death doesn't make sense to me. The timing and "reason" for it all doesn't fit with the whole genre and audience of the manga, which is what I've been trying to get across to you from the beginning with our discussion of the different moods of both Tokyo Ghoul and Fuuka. I'm actually very tempted to say that Fuuka's funeral was faked and that she's resting in a coma or some critical condition elsewhere.


I'm confused here. Are you trying to say that people were or weren't furious over Kaneki's death? It seemed to me that quite a few people WERE a bit upset over his passing.


Please make up your mind. Either death does equal drama, or it influences it. I'll give you the benefit of informing you that the former option is incorrect. It's honestly elementary logic. Bananas and apples are fruits, but not all fruits are bananas and apples. The more detailed version of this is the basics of subset theory. Equivalency is only made possible when two, or more, subjects in question share all elements and subsidiary components. Death is a part of drama while drama is not apart of death; therefore, the two are not equal. If they were, then all dramatic events would result in death. I'm not trying to be nick-picky or prove my intellectual prowess as it's important to distinguish the two as completely separate points of interest for readers of Fuuka. We picked up Fuuka expecting drama, not death.


Yes, I know that we're talking about Kaneki and major supporting characters here; please don't reply to my sentences out of context. I've been trying to explain this to you but Fuuka and Kaneki's deaths are completely different from one other. If no one seemed to be angry over Amon and Kaneki's deaths, it's because they made SENSE and were "well-placed" according to the genre of the manga, while Fuuka's death is the exact opposite which is why there's a lot of negative reaction to it. I already talked about the symbolism of both Kaneki's and Fuuka's deaths in an earlier reply, but you should note that dying as a catalyst for character progression is not symbolism.

Dante2828 said:

I just don't think she is grasping what you are saying. May be to complex lol

Behemoth11 said:
I have only read Fūka because I thought it's just a comedy-romance... :(
Now I have learned my lesson. Goodbye Seo!

Neuzx360 said:


I agree, i hated this, because i started with Fuuka, then read Kimi no Iru Machi basically tore a shitstorm inside of me, i was considering reading Suzuka, since there was a bonus chapter in Kimi no Iru Machi about them, but i didn't get the connection of what it had to do with anything. And figured out by reading forums, Fuuka is shown alot throughout that manga.

Then i figured out that all is connected, Suzuka, Kimi no Iru Machi, and now Fuuka. That is something i liked, making connections with his other manga's. But not when it ended this tragically for Fuuka.

And since Fuuka is the child of Suzuka, im just honestly afraid to continue on with Fuuka manga, because of Seo's style of drama. And i also don't think i will start to read Suzuka anymore :(

Im probably not going to drop it, but i will read it hesitantly, since Kimi no Iru Machi had so many WTF WHY!? moments....

Seo has a very uniqe style when it comes to mangaplot, it's not something you see very often, and i can see why some people like it, it's kinda like Game Of Thrones, but a little different, since the setting is different, and i don't think Seo's style of drama is for me. But i will continue reading it because im a moron.... just afraid i will end up in a serious depression or something... urgh.

Sweanime said:
And the manga name Fuuka was such a fucking troll :P Everybody just complaing that he will only end up with fuuka and no otherone else becuse she is the titlename...In your face XD

lizzy_nodame said:
i just started reading it and it was devastating that fuuka died. although i know the story is not about yuu's love interest but is there something to look forward to that i lost interest to continue reading it.. please let me know if their is a turn of events that will keep me to continue reading this one.. thank you so much.. i got sttucked to the chapter where fuuka died..