Aldnoah.Zero 2nd Season Episode 5 Discussion

Kaioshin_Sama said:


They just aren't even really on point or descriptive of things that are happening in the episodes and problems it has. I mean the show does legitimately have glaring problems in terms of storytelling and character portrayal week to week, but most people are stuck making generic copy/paste comments that could apply to just about anything or bickering with each other over the two main characters. It's just so mind numbing stupid and once again follows the seemingly apparent rule nowadays that there's no show that can have legitimate problems and shortcomings on the production end that the fanbase can't somehow find a way to trivialize and fail to reasonably evaluate despite it really not seeming like it would take that much effort really, thus coming across as even more annoying. It's like people just want want to take a couple of minutes to just legitimately think about what they are watching anymore, they'd rather just shitpost and say pointless things on the off chance somebody might find it funny or clever.

This episode did shoot for character development. Whether somebody found it good or not is totally up for them to decide but if you're going to lean one way another in the thread would it REALLY hurt that much to personalize it to some degree with a followup as to why one feels one way or another and make it more interesting for people to read instead of just posting for postings sake? Or has the quality and level of discussion that people are willing to commit to on anime just fallen off that bloody hard?

KamiAlice said:


What's worse is when there complaints fall along some imagined way the world works. I mean there's people still complaining about how Inaho is a highschooler and how there is no way they would have highschool soldiers ect ect ect.
Even though he's probably like 18 or 19 now because of the time gap.
Do these people know history? Do they know there were some heroes during WW1 and 2 who were 12 years old?



Exactly, can't they something more than "its boring."

I mean I personally liked the character development here especially on Rayets part. Inaho it's a given that we're getting more and more into how he thinks, but It was nice to see how incredibly broken Rayet is. Sure she's been giving her "all martians must die" line every once in a while, but for the most part she seemed to be ok with everything. This episode proved otherwise, she's still hates herself as much as everyone else.
Is it the best? Obviously not, but it's good enough for now especially her being a side character.

R- said:
Rayet is such a hottie

KamiAlice said:


What's worse is when there complaints fall along some imagined way the world works. I mean there's people still complaining about how Inaho is a highschooler and how there is no way they would have highschool soldiers ect ect ect.
Even though he's probably like 18 or 19 now because of the time gap.
Do these people know history? Do they know there were some heroes during WW1 and 2 who were 12 years old?



Exactly, can't they something more than "its boring."

I mean I personally liked the character development here especially on Rayets part. Inaho it's a given that we're getting more and more into how he thinks, but It was nice to see how incredibly broken Rayet is. Sure she's been giving her "all martians must die" line every once in a while, but for the most part she seemed to be ok with everything. This episode proved otherwise, she's still hates herself as much as everyone else.
Is it the best? Obviously not, but it's good enough for now especially her being a side character.

seujair31 said:
is a rare find indeed in an anime, a character that has the same ideals, the same motivations, the same obsessions, same estupides, and on behalf of his obsession kill people and destroy the world. in less than two years, we have a mecha anime, both antagonist, has exactly the same caracteristisca and motivations, so it shows a lack of creativity, writers today.
Not even seek to change the motivations and obsessions. this is worse than cliche

Kaioshin_Sama said:


Leon from Garo actually has a functional character arc that makes sense in show as well as a functional and developed supporting cast around him (like German, Aflonso and Emma) to interact with and learn things from as opposed to just look down and be propped up by like Inaho and Slaine are with their supporting cast. His character arc as Garo clearly isn't just made up on the fly and filled with tons of holes or unclarified information that may or may not be explained in the manga that came with the shows second volume ala Slaine. There's very little about Slaine's character and role in the show that feels natural to me in terms of how he's emerged as the main antagonist, it just seems like they decided that this season he will fill that role and finagled the script that way in order to achieve it. Waste of a character in Sauzbaum, but then Cruhteo was a waste of a character as was Marito for the Earth side and pretty much every adult character whose potential was sacrificed by this show in order to just become plot devices to show over and over again how awesome Inaho and Slaine are. Like if you're any character in this show other than those too you might as well not even really matter except for fan service or as a plot device.

Also just so this is clear, both Inaho and Slaine are equally poorly handled lead characters as is pretty much the whole cast in this show. IMO this is just not how you are supposed to run a show where the supporting cast at large is just utterly meaningless past their introductions at best and incapable of doing anything without the two male leads being there to essentially do it for them.

PancakesAndStuff said:


So we live in a world where exposition and character development automatically means something is good? No. That's Bull-Fucking-Shit. People will like character development and exposition when character development and exposition is done well. Like, say, in Episode 2 of Zankyou no Terror, which as a whole, I wouldn't praise, but the exposition is still done well. Or character development in Hunter x Hunter, where the motives of its characters are mostly believable, and their actions change logically when it needs to.

Your argument is simpleminded, by assuming that what you have said is a valid rebuttal, when A/Z is indeed boring to others. Having character development and exposition does not mean something is good or enjoyable. If I would have judged Pupa based on if it had character development and exposition, than it would have a higher score. But no, I did not. I judged it, taking into account how well, or in this case shitty, the exposition and character development is done.

It is not just the fanboys and haters, but the weak arguments against haters or criticism, the weak motives by haters, and the weak arguments by the critics, that makes MyAnimeList such a big joke to many.

CookingPriest said:
Great character development for Inaho and Rayet as character. Also I guess Inaho is setting up saving Asseylum's this way. I can't wait.

Slaine continues to be obsessive stalker. Next episode he'll just use the curly as a stepping stone to further strengthen his position as space stalin.

Kaioshin_Sama said:


Well my problem isn't so much that Inaho is a student, I mean student hero pilots have been the norm for mecha anime since its inception. My problem is that he's so inexplicably absurdly competent right from the get go despite minimal experience in simulation to the point where he's the only person on Earth capable of not only fighting against the invades but pretty much entirely overwhelming them by himself at this point that it overshadows the rest of the cast and makes me wonder why it even bothers having them. I mean yeah you have episodes like this one to remind you that they exist but its debatable how much it'll accomplish and I can pretty much expect it to go right back into the Inaho and Slaine show as soon as the combat heats up again.

It just makes no sense to me why you would have a recurring cast the size that this one does and then just barely give them anything to do the majority of the time other than to be used to demonstrate how awesome Inaho and Slaine are.



Well both shows pretty much unabashedly borrow heavily from Gundam tropes albeit being on the much shorter side (15 episodes for BC, 24 for Aldnoah) so its little surprise. One of the biggest differences between BC and this show you neglect to mention though is that show had a female character in Hina that was capable of holding her own and had her own character arc while this one just chosen to have Asseylum struggle and fail to make a difference polticially and then stuck her in a tank for what so far has been almost half this season. I wonder if Sora Amamiya has anything to say about this or if something happened that is limiting her ability to play the character as its just incredibly unusual to have the female lead in a show like this just such a total non-entity.

Savethebestforu said:
Pretty boring and disappointing episode overall on both sides. I actually liked the interrogation scenes with Inaho and the count, but everything else was pretty unnecessary. Did Inaho just free probably the only count Earth has captured? Shouldn't that be the death penalty or something? It really breaks my immersion when he can just do whatever he wants when he feels like it in a military setting. The bird scene was nice as an insight to how far Slaine has fallen. Next episode should be interesting.

At this point, is there really a purpose to the side characters on earth? I feel like they show them for no reason other to remind us that they are still there. Inko is reaching Orihime Inoue levels of saying Inaho 10x every episode. Nina is basically non-existent, and acts like she forgets there is a war going on. Both of them, including the "can't get date" girl worrying about getting fat...Ok, whatever. Marito's main conflict has been dealt with, so I guess he's in the backseat until the final episodes. The commander girl and her assistant are in the show whenever they want to make the "you can't get a date" gag. Calm is a non-entity.

Don't even get me started on Rayet. I loved her character in the beginning, but the way they are making her so dependent on Inaho is pretty dumb. Inaho shouldn't have the answers to everything she is going through. She should have to find the strength to grow herself, and not be "saved" by Inaho. Not to mention basically the only dialogue scenes she gets are "DURRR MARTIANS MUST DIE". She's been a non-character since her attempted murder on Asseylum, and it's pretty infuriating. There is nothing profound about her thinking or her words, she is just serving as...I don't even know? Like, where are they going with her character?

seujair31 said:

the problems of mecha anime nowadays, is when they come off of the genre, and to run for scientific fantasy, when robots have ridiculous skills, and power-up.
in recent years werent liked the remastering Uchuu senkan Yamato 2199, and Ginga Kikoutai Majestic Prince because the battles, which were fantastic and very well animated. on Ginga Kikoutai Majestic Prince the aliens strands of wulgar, and his desgner, inclussive cockpit, are very similar.
I recently watched buddy-complex, and the similarities of Bizon and Slaine characters are frightening, same ideals, the same obsession with a woman, and on behalf of that obsession be able to distruir the world, both went crazy because of his obsession. is scary.
What is your favorite mecha anime

Kaioshin_Sama said:
Well my problem isn't so much that Inaho is a student, I mean student hero pilots have been the norm for mecha anime since its inception. My problem is that he's so inexplicably absurdly competent right from the get go despite minimal experience in simulation to the point where he's the only person on Earth capable of not only fighting against the invades but pretty much entirely overwhelming them by himself at this point that it overshadows the rest of the cast and makes me wonder why it even bothers having them. I mean yeah you have episodes like this one to remind you that they exist but its debatable how much it'll accomplish and I can pretty much expect it to go right back into the Inaho and Slaine show as soon as the combat heats up again.

It just makes no sense to me why you would have a recurring cast the size that this one does and then just barely give them anything to do the majority of the time other than to be used to demonstrate how awesome Inaho and Slaine are.

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:


+1

So much truth.

fst said:

Your double standard is showing again.

Amuro, in the original MSG, has literally zero experience even sitting in the seat of a mobile suit, and just by skimming the manual for a few seconds, he's able to single-handedly hold off The Red Comet, and apparently there's no problem with that.

But Inaho, who was shown training in Kataphrakts, being able to hold off ridiculously overconfident opponents by using the others as cannon fodder to observe their blatant weaknesses, is absurdly over-competent and overshadows the rest of the cast?

How does that work?

First of all, he's no longer literally the only person on the planet capable of taking down a Vers Kat. Second, he also relies heavily on the people around him to pull off his plans most of the time; if any of them had screwed up, they would all be dead. The only ones being overshadowed are the redshirts, but they're the redshirts, every series has those.

He's also not exactly overwhelming them since if that were the case, the war would be over by now, or at least going in their favor. At this point he just barely has enough on-screen Kat kills to be considered an ace. Amuro kills more doms in one scene of MSG than Inaho has done in the entire series.

Darklight0303 said:


And the fact that Rayet hates herself already puts her leagues above Slaine. She's fully aware of what she's done and is tormented by it even if she keeps it in most of the time.

KamiAlice said:


You do understand what Fiction is right. You do understand that nothing you have mentioned steps away from the realm of fiction right? You do understand that Fantasy is a subset of fiction right?
Here's i'll define it for you

Fiction: literature in the form of prose, especially short stories and novels, that describes imaginary events and people.

invention or fabrication as opposed to fact.

fst said:


Your double standard is showing again.

Amuro, in the original MSG, has literally zero experience even sitting in the seat of a mobile suit, and just by skimming the manual for a few seconds, he's able to single-handedly hold off The Red Comet, and apparently there's no problem with that.

But Inaho, who was shown training in Kataphrakts, being able to hold off ridiculously overconfident opponents by using the others as cannon fodder to observe their blatant weaknesses, is absurdly over-competent and overshadows the rest of the cast?

How does that work?

First of all, he's no longer literally the only person on the planet capable of taking down a Vers Kat. Second, he also relies heavily on the people around him to pull off his plans most of the time; if any of them had screwed up, they would all be dead. The only ones being overshadowed are the redshirts, but they're the redshirts, every series has those.

He's also not exactly overwhelming them since if that were the case, the war would be over by now, or at least going in their favor. At this point he just barely has enough on-screen Kat kills to be considered an ace. Amuro kills more doms in one scene of MSG than Inaho has done in the entire series.

Kaioshin_Sama said:


It just makes no sense to me why you would have a recurring cast the size that this one does and then just barely give them anything to do the majority of the time other than to be used to demonstrate how awesome Inaho and Slaine are.

KamiAlice said:


How exactly is this "So much truth."
If anything it's sad to see how much he misses.

seujair31 said:


yes but when fiction is very absurd, and exceeds the tolerance, it is no longer considered science fiction, and passes for the fantasy field, which differs comprehensive gender swab, becoming just another fantasy as Power Rangers .
You seem to have that knowledge of area, could exclarecer me that Slaine is not a plagiarism Bizon.

My point is what is the difference between fiction-fantasy-science and scientific, are distinct gender.

Savethebestforu said:




I guess it might be sad to you, but I'm still having fun with this show. I just take the show for what it is and think about it critically, but I don't hate it. I think of ways that it could have been better.

Savethebestforu said:




I guess it might be sad to you, but I'm still having fun with this show. I just take the show for what it is and think about it critically, but I don't hate it. I think of ways that it could have been better.

seujair31 said:

best for you is to plagiarize, another character from another show, even ideals, motivations and obsessions, being the same.
lamentable you criticize and accuse one bad writing character, when your character is an exact copy of a character from another anime.

seujair31 said:


best for you is to plagiarize, another character from another show, even ideals, motivations and obsessions, being the same.
lamentable you criticize and accuse one bad writing character, when your character is an exact copy of a character from another anime.

Savethebestforu said:


You've said the exact same thing in every comment. You don't have to repeat yourself, everyone hears what you are saying.

Savethebestforu said:


You've said the exact same thing in every comment. You don't have to repeat yourself, everyone hears what you are saying.

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:


Well, don't most treat Amuro the same way most treat Goku? In that he was a pioneer character, that's to be respected, but, in retrospect, was a poorly written character that's not to be emulated too often....let alone in 2014-2015? That's how I see it.

Amuro is an antique, and that's how characters were back in the day. Today, people (should) have higher expectations than what we got before a lot of us were even born.

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:


He'll repeat his blabbering Slaine-hate regardless. It's best to just move on from him.

seujair31 said:


but it seems that you do not hear, and so continues to criticize Inaho, but you can see in something like plagiarism, and still claiming that his character had development and was well written, when siplesmente used Ctr + C in Bizon, and Ctr + V Slaine in aldnoah.zero.
regrettable your taste evaluation, and description of writing, characters and if ressume only to your personal taste.

fst said:


Gundam always does the falling into the cockpit thing, but level of success at first varies. Amuro was ridiculously skilled off the bat. Kamille was too, but he at least had experience piloting suits. Judau fell flat on his face. I'm pretty sure Quess was also far too skilled. Seabook also did better than he had any right to. Banagher did ok, but he also had experience, and the NTD does the heavy lifting at first.

It goes back and forth, as you can see. But the most highly regarded installments generally avoid that.

That aside, Amuro was never that big of a deal, since Char always stole the show. Perhaps certain elements of his character in 0079 are not to be emulated, but in Zeta and CCA Amuro was a badass and a legitimately memorable character in his own right.

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:


How exactly is this "So much truth."
If anything it's sad to see how much he misses. Besides subjective criticism, i've yet to see him provide anything that can be added to the discussion. His whole post can be summed up in a few words, "This was boring, because it didn't go in the direction I think is best." Ignoring the fact that the direction he thinks is best are not proper definitions of what good writing or good character development is.

I also find definitions of both what good writing and character development are, to be severely shortsighted.

This pretty much shuts down any and all of his criticism

linchpin said:
GJ Inaho with recruiting Mazuurek! Let's hope they don't kill him, but they probably will. Cruhteo also died soon after showing some decency.

Slaine is in full creep mode. He's disgusting keeping the Princess imprisoned like that.

#TeamInahoFTW

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:

Inaho is very similar to Kirito, but whatever.

Epicenter said:
This ep was actually my fav since the second season. Did you guys see how they upped the quality of the fanservice?

Half joking.

Aside from better fan service, I liked how in the whole bird thing about the princess being a beauty trapped in a cage they subtly added that the wheel chair chick is like a penguin with wings but can't fly, with feet but can't walk. I also like the Inaho and Yuki moment.

KamiAlice said:


Except he's not, given that Kirito can just stand there and beat everyone while Inaho has only won one battle without using those around him, but hey I still hear people say Shirou from FSN is exactly like Kirito, so I guess people will just imagine similarities in order to make it fit.

leelee619 said:


Don't tell me Asseylum is in a coma involintary and not in a coma due to Saazbaums actions.

KamiAlice said:


He is going the "this is boring route", that doesn't change the fact that a lot of what he said is true.

1) Inaho is going to get off easy, despite committing treason for his own personal gain. It's a heavily guarded military setting, yet two young adults can waltz out of that hallway of prisoners with a Vers Knight, and NOBODY (including the prisoners) notice? Well, everyone, but Inaho's comrade who's going to let him off easy.

2) Yes, you could say that saving Asseylum COULD start peaceful negotiations, but seeing how indoctrinated her people are due to her father, I doubt she'd have any success. Hell, open civil war could erupt between those who hate the Imperial family, and those loyal to them despite their transgressions.

3) He's right that 90% of the side characters have been wasted, or used simply to prop up either Inaho, or Slaine. Saazbaum, Cruheto, Marito, and Yuki the most blatant wastes. Yes, they've gotten SOME moments to shine, but, other than maybe Rayet, their moments in the spotlight are quickly overtaken by Slaine and Inaho.

Epicenter said:
This ep was actually my fav since the second season. Did you guys see how they upped the quality of the fanservice?

Half joking.

Aside from better fan service, I liked how in the whole bird thing about the princess being a beauty trapped in a cage they subtly added that the wheel chair chick is like a penguin with wings but can't fly, with feet but can't walk. I also like the Inaho and Yuki moment.

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:


Also liked those parts.

seujair31 said:



became clear in this episode, Slaine want to keep the caged princess because she is beautiful, the great Plan of Peace Slaine, is to keep the princess so for him, killing and destroying all that interfere with your obsession

leelee619 said:


Boy Asshime is going to be extremly Pissed when she wake's up

seujair31 said:


so she will wake up when someone rescue her, ie Slaine know, that Asseylum, it would be against their madness, he knows Asseylum would side of the earth, and try to escape to help the Terrans, so he keeps Asseylum in state induced coma.
So it can mater Asseylum just for him, like a caged bird