The Real Ending to Code Geass

Forgetfulness said:
It could be just a translation error. Grammar works differently in different languages

And for fuck's sake, all the evidence is NOT pointing at him being alive. There was one, ONE, plothole (Nunnally seeing Lelouch's memories). The rules of Geass don't change because of something that they probably just added to make things more emotional

Forgetfulness said:
It could be just a translation error. Grammar works differently in different languages

And for fuck's sake, all the evidence is NOT pointing at him being alive. There was one, ONE, plothole (Nunnally seeing Lelouch's memories). The rules of Geass don't change because of something that they probably just added to make things more emotional

Forgetfulness said:
That's funny, because the last time I checked, people that claim Lelouch is alive made up this stupid rule that "You have to die once for Code to activate", even though that is never stated in the series and everything can be explained without that rule.

Forgetfulness said:
^ How does that prove anything? Whether or not she died then doesn't show she has to die to be immortal
I'm pretty sure what happened is that the nun gave C.C. the Code, killed C.C. so she wouldn't interfere, then killed herself (as you can see by the fact that she took the time to arrange her body nicely)

and LOL, you're acting like you're superior because you believe Lelouch is alive? A Code Geass explicitly states that Lelouch is dead. Get over yourself

Pknoctis said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeYYy5AwM3A
C.C. strangely has blood over her neck, looks like she either got slashed in the throat, or the nun just did seppuku and got the blood over C.C. Could go either way.

But yes, this all hinges on deduction. For me, it's blatant that Lelouch is alive. For others who need it shoved in their faces for it to be real, Lelouch is dead.

Let's just leave it at that

Fundog said:

Oh you mean like how Charles died when he shot himself? Or like how Mao died when he got shot a bunch of times?
No the man in the hat must be Lelouch and no other. Why? Because, out of everyone in C.C’s long life, she admits that Lelouch is truly special. He is the only one to ever thank her, the only one to get close to fulfilling his contract, the only one who is grateful for the Geass she gave him, and most importantly, the only one to give her a reason to live. It has been mentioned multiple times in the anime, since the very beginning that both of them needed a reason to live.
Lelouch’s main reason in the series was to avenge his mother and make a better world for Nunally. However, that changed in episode 15 of first season, when he said, that he would fulfil both their wishes, and it even shows that Lelouch is the one to reinstate their contract. In episode 15 of second season, Lelouch renews his vow to make C.C’s one wish come true. To make her smile. Now how can he make her smile/be loved if she realises that her only chance to die was taken from her by someone who supposedly would make her feel loved and then deserted him??? That would be the ultimate betrayal, given everyone she has done for him, even during the short period of time where she lost her memories. Lelouch has lied to the whole world about everything, including his death, but never to C.C, because she is the only person in the series who he has been completely honest to, and she is the only person to know her name.
In other words, the bond between C.C and Lelouch is a bond that she will most likely never share or has shared with any other person. Now, why would she feel content letting a complete stranger into her life? That person could most likely be one of the many thousands who have shunned and tortured her in the past.
The cart man is not a symbol. C.C would not be so ignorant as to believe all people are like Lelouch. This ‘new life’ you are referring to…if it is indeed with another random mortal, how is that any different than what she’s lived for so many years?? She will never be able to enjoy life because mortals will never understand her, Geass, immortality. Thus she will always have to be wary of mortals and will live the same life as before.
C.C’s final comment about power of the king – someone already explained that it was because Lelouch will indeed be isolated. The world he created, all the sacrifices he made for Nunally, he will never be able to see it. That pain of never knowing if Nunally is safe, that is the isolation. However, ‘not quite correct’ means that at least he can spend his solitude with C.C. You are misinterpreting what she meant in the Kallen scene. She never thought that she would be fighting for someone else, in other words, she never thought that she would have a ‘reason for living’.
Immortality is indeed a punishment, Lelouch will know that in 100 years, with certainty, everyone he loved will have died, and there is the chance that he will grow tired of C.C. What then?? Because of the sacrifice C.C made to seal away her Code and choose to live, Lelouch can never abandon her no matter what.

Forgetfulness said:

And for fuck's sake, all the evidence is NOT pointing at him being alive. There was one, ONE, plothole (Nunnally seeing Lelouch's memories). The rules of Geass don't change because of something that they probably just added to make things more emotional

AriaFlame said:


Oh my god, would it kill you to space out your paragraphs? What a mess to read.

" Because of the sacrifice C.C made to seal away her Code and choose to live, Lelouch can never abandon her no matter what."

What? Even accepting your odd premise that lelouch would get tired of C.C. (seriously, wtf? lol), why would sealing the code mean lelouch can't bail on her anyway?

What a stupid comment. Who the hell says "oh wut if he dont like dat ass no mo?"

"C.C’s final comment about power of the king – someone already explained that it was because Lelouch will indeed be isolated. "

She states she was wrong about the power of the king isolating him. How does this translate into the power isolating him, when she just stated it didn't?

"I never thought I still had these feelings about winning or losing". This equates to ="I never thought I'd lose or win for someone else"?

C.C. is complaining about losing to Kallen. How did you stumble from this onto thinking that she meant "I didn't think I'd be fighting for someone else"? wut.

"C.C would not be so ignorant as to believe all people are like Lelouch."

What...in the hell are you talking about. Why would C.C. be living with another dude? O.O

Him taking her into her new life doesn't mean he's going to be IN it. He's a cart driver, she's hitching a ride. That's it.

I specifically made fun of the notions of NTR and cluckold when discussing the cart driver, yet there are actually still people stupid even to think that's what I'm talking about...sigh.


"No the man in the hat must be Lelouch and no other. Why? Because, out of everyone in C.C’s long life, she admits that Lelouch is truly special."

lol'd.

"Lelouch’s main reason in the series was to avenge his mother and make a better world for Nunally. However, that changed in episode 15 of first season"

Can you tell me why the first rebellion failed again? Is it because Lelouch tried to help C.C., or because he ran off to help Nunnally?

Hint: He says the entire war is pointless without Nunnally. Season 2 is when his resolution was affirmed.


"4. No it simply goes to show that Charles is not destined to wield the code for long."

This was you replying to someone asking why the initials had to be a requirement for naming when Charles didn't the initials.

lol'd.




I think they were pitching Nunnally as a magical girl~kyun~.

No, seriously though, they were pitching that she had powers to read into someones intentions, with her touching people and being able to tell if they were lying. Not that much of a stretch to say that she'd be able to see more when it came to Lelouch dying, when his powers dealt specifically with the brain.

Kamui-Yui said:
@Thep - LOL so it wasn't just me that got it :D awesome
Just to clarify, I'm no fanboy o.o I despise Lelouch and it was just right for him to be wander eternally, tormented by immortality with C.C...
for euphie♥
ahh... euphie ~_~

Sageie said:
i have a theory about the cranes that lies around various places in the show(although its only about the pink crane next to C.C)

although C.C created the contract with lelouch originally to die, she turned down the offer when she got it realizing that her true wish was EQUAL love(as hinted from her memories when lelouch visits her when she has a geass). Now C.C had spent some time with nunally during their academy days and heard the tale about the origami cranes and wishes, ultimately moved by lelouch's speech in church (which she prays in at the ending) stating that geass is like wishes she remembers it and folds a crane since her wish has yet to be fulfilled. although this would mean lelouch is dead and HE DID state he would become her warlock

Fundog said:

So you're saying Lelouch turns his back on C.C and his promise to fulfill her wish? And she would still want to remember him in a fond way, while crying for his judgment in the afterlife, whatnot? Also, she could always use a Zero mask to remember him.

-Scaze- said:
The guy's alive.
Because the creators said he's dead? Is that the best argument people can come up with?
If they said he was alive, people would accept it wholly, as there's evidence pointing to hi being alive.
If they said something along the lines of 'who knows' or 'maybe', that's almost the same as them saying that he's alive.
If they said he's probably dead, the word probably pretty much suggests the reverse.
By saying that Lelouch is dead, they get fans off their f'ing back, that way they no longer have to deal with fanmails or requests...can you imagine the floods of R3 requests that would've come in? Plus, it leaves the ending open to the viewers opinions. Just because the creators ' said' so doesn't mean that it is so, as is evident in this thread. Thus you have an ending that satisfies those who want him, or believe him to be dead, or want or believe him to be alive - the best of both worlds. Basically, the creators are playing us, plain and simple .

First, when C.C received her code from her teacher, she was covered in blood, especially surrounding the neck area. Why? She was killed. Why? So that the Code transfer would kick in and thus her teachers loss of code would be completely and utterly finalized, thus symbolizing her true death, and the birth of C.C.

Charles received V.V's code when he died, it was the code transfer that resulted in his resurrection and his completion. In essence, a cod requires the destruction of the old and a birth of the new - thus, the recipient will die, and be resurrected by the power of the Code.

Hence, when Lelouch forced Charles and Marrieanne to disappear, he effectively stole their code, with Charles grabbing his neck serving to only instate this further. Thus, from the moment on, Lelouch was effectively immortal. Or rather, from that moment on Lelouch was destined to die, and upon doing so he was fated to be reborn anew. In essence, he rebelled in his lifetime, and rebelled against death as he revives, quite phoenix like which fits both the motif of the series and the ideals of Lelouch - to destroy so as to create anew.

Jeremiah would not have been smiling had Lelouch truly died. Why? Because it would have been bittersweet. Yes his monarch's wish would have finally come to fruition, yet he also would have lost his master. It was because Lelouch would not die that he could smile, as only good would come from Lelouch's death - as he would simply be reborn anew as R.R. Rerouch Ramperouge in Japanese isn't it? Something about oriental languages not distinguishing between L's and R's.

Lastly, for those that think that Lelouch living on takes away something from the series as he's no longer a martyr, and kind of puts a damper on his whole ' shoot if you're prepared to be shot thing'...well it doesn't. Lelouch is dead. R.R is born. R.R will always remember that Lelouch carries the sins of the world. Not only that, but R.R will have to live for the future, essentially, next time a disturbance of war comes about, he'll have to resurface. His eternal plight will be that of a peace-maker. He will forever be damned as a man who will have to fight to keep the peace. He'll spill rivers of blood, and continue to do so, for he has already done so. He has been reborn, yes, but he cannot escape Lelouch, and he cannot escape who he is. C.C's real wish was to be loved, and eventually she was brought back to that wish. Lelouch's wish was for a peaceful world, and he will always be drawn to that wish. Geass is like a wish, yet at the same time it's highly likely that you'll become enslaved to that wish. Charles could re-write memories, thus his obsession with the Sword of Akasha, same with Marianne with her whole 'consciousness' Geass.
Besides, death is a bit of an easy release no? Having to live on would be far harder.

grandy_UiD said:
I kinda find it hard to believe that the most influential and at the same time hated person in the world dies and then they leave his body lying around without anyone bothering to check what happens to it.

So he just lies there, presumably dead, and ten minutes later gets up and just walks away and NO ONE NOTICES. Yeah right...


(also it's amazing how this show still manages to induce so much discussion even more than five years after finishing)

BurninDarkness said:

Lots of things which were hard to believe happened in Code Geass
1. Soldiers coming in to get themselves Geassed
2. A million people changing into Zero costumes out of nowhere
3. Foolishness and Arrogance of Ohgi
4. Suzaku, Knight of Seven, Knight of Zero dying and coming back as Zero.

Like you said if the most influential persons knight who was equally hated could fool them and come back as Zero, I don't see a problem of said person disappearing with a particular witch.

BurninDarkness said:
The way I see it happening:

Lelouch obviously doesn't plan on becoming immortal and is just as shocked as anyone else regarding his predicament. Let us take it from the place of his "death".
Jeremiah being as loyal as he is makes his escape with Lelouch's corpse.Lelouch might not care what happens to him after his death, but Jeremiah might know with so much hatred focused on his master, his death itself might not be enough to qwell it.

DouLou said:
Posted this is another thread but will put it here as well..

I actually firmly believe he is alive.

1) Nunnally seems to experience the same visions characters have had in the past involving touching a "Code" user. It doesn't seem like she has a "realization" like Tohdoh and Kallen (when they appear to understand the plan from a distance), she specifically sees memories that only Lelouch has. If she was realizing Lelouchs plan why would they show her realization in such a unique way at the exact same moment she touches him?

2) C.C. talking to him at the end. Ok, so Kallen is talking to him but this is a voice-over "diary like" entry, it's not really the same. C.C is lying down on the wagon talking out loud directly to him. Also what she says "The power of the Kings, known as gaess, brings one solitude. Not quite accurate, is it? Right Lelouch". To me that's a massive implication that he is the one driving the cart, and she is referring to how neither of them are in solitude anymore. Why would she speak about solitude being incorrect if he was dead and she was alone again?

Now those to me are the two largest pieces of evidence. There is a video on youtube of a supposed directors cut which shows Lelouch at the end, but I've heard some call it a fake, so I won't use it as evidence. But I'd be interested to know if anyone else knows about this.

Also as a little counter argument to people saying that Lelouch didn't kill Charles therefore he couldn't have had his Geass. We are never told/shown that the person with the Gaess has to kill the one with the Code to absorb the Code. V.V. is already severely injured when Charles takes his Gaess. And he doesn't die right away, in fact he is still alive and has a brief conversation with C.C. before he dies. And the timing of Lelouch achieving the next stage of the Gaess (two eyes) combined with him specifically asking Suzaku to not intefere when Charles grabs his throat makes me think that physical contact was the exact moment he took the Code. We are never told if taking the Code makes a person lose their Gaess. It's perfectly possible that it's the death of the Code user who made the contract which causes the Gaess to disappear. In which case Lelouch could take the Code from Charles, but retain his Gaess because C.C lives.

DeadZeroSource said:
A PERSON under a geass USER's control/effect would only wore off if the USER itself dies right? but how come "Schniezel still serves Zero".? That's another fact,


Example the episode where Rolo killed the one controlling LELOUCH's subordinate in a nightmare frame and the effect stop after he died ("research subject/s/kids who got geass power/s due to the facility where V.V and C.C(Formerly /w V.V) are operating.

Sunwind said:
2 years on and people are still in denial? the first post provides all the evidence you need.

Botato said:

Those are all assumptions and not evidence.

Eurell said:
i've just watched this anime 2 season in 2 days.
i never got stoyline like this, it's awesome
i've got some proof that Lelouch still alive.

if you said he got code from Charles, i think it's wrong i read from wikipedia, Code can be obtained from who give the Geass.

in the last episode there's conversation between Lelouch and Suzaku

i thought that's the time Suzaku Receive Geass from Lelouch and Lelouch Got his Code. Suzaku kill him to activate the immortality. maybe suzaku doesn't know about that immortality.
C.C. has lost her code. she's still alive but NOT IMMORTAL anymore
but there's something still bothered me with those thoughts.
if those thoughts are true, i saw C.C. Still have the code on her head (whether it is the process of completion of her contract?)

sorry for my bad english

zak_arranda said:

Reading up on it, I find that apparently the director of the anime (though not necessarily the writer, which is why so many people just ignore it) brings up a good point that the fans are free to interpret the ending in any way they think fits how they liked the series

zak_arranda said:
I kind of suspected that it was possible he attained the Code from his father when he killed him in the Sword of Akasha, and that he was unaware of it leading up to his death.



I based that theory on the fact that:

1. His father stole V. V.'s Code before killing him (or while; however it works), and that since Lelouch killed Charles, it could have been a side effect he wasn't aware of.

2. I don't think that Lelouch is the kind of character that would have deliberately sought out the Code. He was confident in his strategic abilities to be able to survive the wars leading up to the final implementation of the Zero Requiem, almost to the point of it being a fault.

3. His ultimate goal was always to ensure Nunnally would have a world she could be happy in, despite that he was oblivious to the one defining thing she would need for ultimate happiness: him.

4. Part of that plan was always to have Suzaku assassinate him under the guise of Zero, who was Lelouch's only true mask. So deliberately planning to keep himself alive, while handing that mantle on to his friend seemed a bit stupid -- something he'd proven multiple times throughout the series that he was not.


I'm a terrible optimist. So, personally, I like to think that, despite all of his planning, that one unforeseen event resulted in him surviving the assassination and that he made the decision, hard as it might be for him to abandon Nunnally, to completely drop off the face of the Earth (metaphorically) and travel with C. C.

PremiumCascade said:
sadly i found out the real ending a year after since i watched subbed not raw

anyway my theory is that C.C gave it to lelouch before he went to kill himself with him not noticing as she took charles code before lelouch made him go space dust.

PremiumCascade said:
ohh for those who say he got it after he killed charles, that makes no sense as he was still using the geass for like 4 more episde so its literally impossible for him to have the code as you cant have both the geass and the code