MechaKiryu said: Have you even read anything posted on this thread? have you even read my first post? Pain-5567 said: even if they make it or have already made it they can't match the japanese |
Pain-5567 said: That's completely irrelevant to the post I quoted.MechaKiryu said: Have you even read anything posted on this thread? have you even read my first post? Pain-5567 said: even if they make it or have already made it they can't match the japanese |
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MechaKiryu said: Pain-5567 said: That's completely irrelevant to the post I quoted.have you even read my first post? yes i have read this thread. what are you trying to say!? |
Pain-5567 said: Damn talk about human style. Almost forgot Doraemon was a robot cat there.DrGeroCreation said: Anime= cartoon, cartoon= anime in Japan. Avatar , Martin Mystery,Wakfu, Jackie chan Adventures are as good as typical battle shonen anime. Also there is no style for anime. Anime and western cartoons can be drawn in a multitude of different artstyles. no. cartoons can be drawn of any shapes like phineas and ferb, sponge bob and they can also be of human style but on the other hand Anime is specifically human style there is a big difference!   |
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| i forgot about doraemon and shinchan i bet there are others too like them but imo anime mostly refers to human style and comic/cartoons - mixed/any style. |
Pain-5567 said: You wouldn't ask this question and neither would you make the statement quoted below if you did.MechaKiryu said: That's completely irrelevant to the post I quoted. yes i have read this thread. what are you trying to say!? Pain-5567 said: Anime refers to all animation regardless of it's country of origin. That's the definition and you can't argue against it.i forgot about doraemon and shinchan i bet there are others too like them but imo anime mostly refers to human style and comic/cartoons - mixed/any style.  Does this look human to you? |
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Pain-5567 said: That's because you mainly know about late night anime (except for DBZ and Naruto) and not mainstream (mainstream in Japan) anime. Both anime and western cartoons can look however they want.i forgot about doraemon and shinchan i bet there are others too like them but imo anime mostly refers to human style and comic/cartoons - mixed/any style. |
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MechaKiryu said: TheBrainintheJar said: Japan seems to disagree with your definition.Anime refers to any type of animation, regardless of it's country of origin.A different country can't create anime because anime (At least the definition I use, and everyone seems to agree) is basically animation that comes from Japan. J-Dawg2 said: You're arguing against the definition of the word here... Like I said above, anime = all animation. There's no such thing as not feeling like an anime because it's all anime. Also, NOT all Japanese cartoons have the same art styles. They're different from each other. The way I see it, where it is made doesn't matter to me. If it has the style of an anime, it's an anime. Locking it to a specific place seems unnecessary and narrow minded to me. At the same time, just because an animation was made in japan doesn't make it an anime automatically in my eyes. I would call "The Legend of Korra" an anime because it has the qualities that I've always enjoyed from anime, despite it's american origins, but I wouldn't call "Gregory Horror Show" an anime because it doesn't feel like one at all even though it's japanese. Again, this is just my opinion. maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but the idea that anime can't be made in other parts of the world has always felt has always felt a little (for lack of a better word) Weeabooish to me. (Yes I know I'm a little late, but I wanted my first forum post here to have to do with a topic I feel strongly about.) EXAMPLE As you can see, they're not all the same. Why is this even a debate? But I'm not in Japan, and the difference in style are too wide between Western animation and anime. It's like how a West Coast rapper can't make East Coast Hip-Hop, because it's defined by its geographic zone. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: It doesn't matter, you're misusing a term created by Japan. What you're doing is like me saying I can misuse English words and defend my ignorance with "I'm not in England, therefore it doesn't matter" ( it sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? ). Anime = animation = cartoon and it's a fact. This is not debatable.MechaKiryu said: Japan seems to disagree with your definition.Anime refers to any type of animation, regardless of it's country of origin. You're arguing against the definition of the word here... Like I said above, anime = all animation. There's no such thing as not feeling like an anime because it's all anime. Also, NOT all Japanese cartoons have the same art styles. They're different from each other. EXAMPLE As you can see, they're not all the same. Why is this even a debate? But I'm not in Japan, and the difference in style are too wide between Western animation and anime. It's like how a West Coast rapper can't make East Coast Hip-Hop, because it's defined by its geographic zone. |
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| What I see is the typical "aw no how can you say X cartoon from X country is better than X cartoon from X country cries". For real this is just the typical "awww how dare you say my naruto is the same thing as my spiderman cries". I mean, I use anime when I'm talking about japanese animation when I want to differentiate (*) but after all, all of them are the same thing. It's the same when I say comic books (which are called tebeos in Spain anyway**) when I'm talking about comic books from anywhere. This is the same discussion as "are manga and comic books the same thing? BUBUBU I THINK NOT BECAUSE..." wait, they're the same thing OOPS I'M SORRY FOR SUCH REVELATION. (*) = like when I differentiate between thrash metal, power metal and black metal. You know what? They're the same thing! Metal! But if I want to differentiate I sometimes... do it? But they're the same thing. (**) = and what I'm trying to say here is: surprise! in every country some things aren't named in the same way but they're the same thing! cartoons or animated series or whatever you want to say are the same thing as anime. ----- Pain-5567 said: i forgot about doraemon and shinchan i bet there are others too like them but imo anime mostly refers to human style and comic/cartoons - mixed/any style. Pokémon? Digimon? Chi's Sweet Home? Nyanpire? Hamtaro? ----- And if OP means animation with "anime style" (??? uhm... animated I don't know any I guess, but in manga I know O.U.T. (Spain), those comic books from Amour Sucré (french game but I think those comics were drawn by two girls from Spain???? idk), Bakemono (Spain) and Gears (again, Spanish). I don't know how are they because I never read them, so don't ask me lol. And fact: if someone from Spain says "Bandolero best anime" you must know this is a meme like Cory in the house. |
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Forgetfulness said: In France which is not Japan and a western country the term for cartoon is dessin animé. Anime was first used by the Japanese as short hand for animation then western anime fans adopted it to mean only Japanese cartoons. Western anime fans and other non Japanese anime fans actually used to call it Japanimation but then suddenly changed it to anime. I have no problem with using anime to refer to Japanese cartoons but disagree with it being used to refer to some type of specific artstyle. Using it that way causes a lot of ignorance and confusion.DrGeroCreation said: Wow, it's almost like we don't live in Japan.Anime= cartoon, cartoon= anime in Japan. And it's almost like there's another definition for the West that's not the same as Japan's. |
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| The US produces loads of Anime each year, my favorite one has to be Batman the Animated Series and Young Justice. TMNT for example was such a success that it spawned loads of copy cats like Street Sharks. I thought these were pretty well known? |
| Some anime are animated outside Japan. Take One Piece for instance. More than half of One Piece is being animated in Toei philippines which is literally just a short drive away from my home. And korea also animates parts of Naruto. But I dont think other countries are using the same style as anime when creating animated films well at least I havent seen one yet. Totally spies, martin mystery and other shows by Marathon is kinda close but not quite. |
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Forgetfulness said: MechaKiryu said: Actually, I'm almost certain you already do.It doesn't matter, you're misusing a term created by Japan. What you're doing is like me saying I can misuse English words and defend my ignorance with "I'm not in England, therefore it doesn't matter" ( it sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? ). Anime = animation = cartoon and it's a fact. This is not debatable. Here, let's try it. Think of a food called chips that are made of potatoes Now click on this spoiler to see if you got it right Heh, talking about British English and American English, the word "fag" is always fun. I used to derive great pleasure from being inventive with it, like "damn it, hang on, I'm sucking on a burned out fag here". Americans get so confused. Sure it's juvenile but I find it funny. It works both ways though, the hoops Bart Simpson throws British children through when he mentions the word "fanny". It means something else here. |
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Hoppy said: Nigeria is also making anime now and the government even sent representatives to Japan for training and guidance. Dafuq :o Got any links? |
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| It's kind of funny to sit back and watch Western users argue with a Japanese user over the definition of what constitutes as anime. Silly weeaboos. |
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| Anime a term associated with Japan. You can't really make "anime" in England, because that's "English animation" while anime is "Japanese animation". People might attempt to make anime outside of Japan, but as soon as they make it, the product will no longer be anime. As for animes produced outside Japan, but belonging to a Japanese company, that's obviously anime. If Toei decided to make anime in Poland, that would be anime too. But people not associated with Japan trying to make anime outside of Japan can never turn their product into anime. The moment the West makes "anime", it becomes "Western animation". Anime is not an animal breed you can create outside of the breed's land of origin. You can't make vodka in France and say it's Russian vodka. It may be "vodka Russian style", but not "Russian vodka". You can make "animation Japanese anime style", but that won't be "anime". Seriously people, if anime was just the Japanese term for cartoon, why would Western countries have specific "anime channels" in the first place? If anime just means cartoon, why don't they call those channels simply "cartoon channels" like Cartoon Network? Just because the Japanese themselves use the word "anime" for all kinds of animation doesn't mean anime itself can refer to all kinds of animation. The rest of the world internationally uses anime for Japanese animation. In Japan, since anime means all kinds of animation, that means Pocahontas or Mulan is an anime too. |
Forgetfulness said: The logic behind its usage is flawed. Anime is short for animation. And animation is a series of drawings that look slightly different from each other to look like the drawing is moving when viewed one after another, in other words, A CARTOON. It has nothing to do with Japan using the shorter version of the word first. It's all about the definition. You can't argue against it... Well, you can but you never will be right.MechaKiryu said: If you have, then you must realize that a word can have different meanings in two different regions. There is a Western definition for anime, and it is different from the Japanese one.*Stops reading at the second line* Do you seriously think I haven't been taught British English already? So if you're going to say that anime is originally Japanese, therefore we MUST use the Japanese definition instead of the Western one, then I don't know why the fuck you can say "oh let's use the British definition while in Britain and the U.S. definition while in the U.S." |
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HiNT74 said: You are absolutely wrong.The Japanese word アニメ(Anime) meaning animated series or cartoon originally is a misuse of the English word Animation, so talking about using the "correct" meaning of the word doesn't make much sense In English "Anime" means cartoons made in Japan, it doesn't matter what アニメ means in Japanese because we are speaking English. That being said since the definition of Anime includes it has to be made in Japan asking why there is no Anime from outside of Japan doesn't make much sense either. On the other hand I can understand that the OP just means why don't other countries make cartoons with a similar general style to anime, and my answer to that is that in many ways the different cultural norms make it impossible for shows very similar to Japanese anime to be reliably made in the west. Just look at all those weird Japanese comedy shows that would never be made in the west, it's kind of the same thing. That might change if enough people watch anime that western culture substantially changes, who knows Basically what Szefi said, if only I'd seen their post in time I wouldn't have had to write all this xD |
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HiNT74 said: What OP is asking doesn't make sense either. Japanese cartoons doesn't have any definitive art styles ( as pointed out many times by many users on this thread ). MechaKiryu said: The logic behind its usage is flawed. OK what if we admit you're right, that doesn't change how the word is used in the language. And how the word is used determines what its definition is in that language. This is just a case of understanding what the OP was asking and not being some kind of vocabulary nazi when Japanese is full and I mean FULL of bizarrely misused English words Yes, it doesn't change anything because weeaboos will always be ignorant about Japan. You can give all kinds of facts about the country and they'll completely ignore them. |
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Forgetfulness said: Read my last post. The Western one won't make sense, no matter how many times you post it on this thread.MechaKiryu said: Whether or not it is logical to use it like that doesn't really matter. There is a definition that it is all animation (used in Japan mainly) and there is another definition that it is Japanese cartoons (used outside Japan mainly)The logic behind its usage is flawed. Anime is short for animation. And animation is a series of drawings that look slightly different from each other to look like the drawing is moving when viewed one after another, in other words, A CARTOON. It has nothing to do with Japan using the shorter version of the word first. It's all about the definition. You can't argue against it... Well, you can but you never will be right. Here, I'll give you a quote In Japan the word refers to all animation, being a shortened form of the rōmaji animēshon ("animation"). Outside Japan, the meaning of the word anime can vary slightly; definitions include animation from Japan or, alternatively, a Japanese-disseminated animation style often characterized by colorful graphics, vibrant characters and fantastical themes You can choose to use the Japanese definition if you wish, but that doesn't change the fact that a Western definition does exist. |
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MechaKiryu said: HiNT74 said: What OP is asking doesn't make sense either. Japanese cartoons doesn't have any definitive art styles ( as pointed out many times by many users on this thread ). OK what if we admit you're right, that doesn't change how the word is used in the language. And how the word is used determines what its definition is in that language. This is just a case of understanding what the OP was asking and not being some kind of vocabulary nazi when Japanese is full and I mean FULL of bizarrely misused English words Yes, it doesn't change anything because weeaboos will always be ignorant about Japan. You can give all kinds of facts about the country and they'll completely ignore them. >says anime is not strictly Japanese >says filthy weeaboos can't understand anime because they don't know anything about Japan, even though anime is apparently not Japanese By your flawless logic Japanese people shouldn't be saying anime and Western cartoons are the same thing since Japanese don't know two shits about "our" cartoons. Anime has two different definitions depending on the region. In Japan it's "animation" in the Western world it's "Japanese animation". You are basically saying that if "x" means this, then "x" means that everywhere in the world. |
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HiNT74 said: It doesn't make it correct. A lot of English dictionaries cater to idiots. Not too long ago, they changed the definition of "literally" into its exact apposite because mouthbreathers were misusing it.Forgetfulness said: Here, I'll give you a quote Nice, that's the definition down on paper |
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Szefi said: I never said that.MechaKiryu said: What OP is asking doesn't make sense either. Japanese cartoons doesn't have any definitive art styles ( as pointed out many times by many users on this thread ). Yes, it doesn't change anything because weeaboos will always be ignorant about Japan. You can give all kinds of facts about the country and they'll completely ignore them. >says anime is not strictly Japanese >says filthy weeaboos can't understand anime because they don't know anything about Japan, even though anime is apparently not Japanese By your flawless logic Japanese people shouldn't be saying anime and Western cartoons are the same thing since Japanese don't know two shits about "our" cartoons. |
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MechaKiryu said: Szefi said: I never said that.>says anime is not strictly Japanese >says filthy weeaboos can't understand anime because they don't know anything about Japan, even though anime is apparently not Japanese By your flawless logic Japanese people shouldn't be saying anime and Western cartoons are the same thing since Japanese don't know two shits about "our" cartoons. Apparently you don't even know what you were saying then. MechaKiryu said: If anime is not Japanese, you can't say "weeaboos" don't know shit because it's not a Japanese thing.Yes, it doesn't change anything because weeaboos will always be ignorant about Japan. If Japanese cartoons (anime) and Western cartoons are the same thing, the "weeaboos" have just as much knowledge as you, since Westerners watch their own cartoons too. Anime, by your definition, refers to all cartoons, therefore it's international. So "being a weeaboo who is ignorant about Japan" is an irrelevant factor. |
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Szefi said: Yes I can because they're treating Japanese cartoons like a gift from the Gods that cannot be called by English mortal words.MechaKiryu said: I never said that. Apparently you don't even know what you were saying then. MechaKiryu said: If anime is not Japanese, you can't say "weeaboos" don't know shit because it's not a Japanese thing.Yes, it doesn't change anything because weeaboos will always be ignorant about Japan. |
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MechaKiryu said: We all know what Japan is like stupid baka gaijin! Japan is the land of women in kimonos and all the men are samurai sword users in suits and..um...um...there's cat girls with high pitch voices! I learned everything about Japan from animes, stupid baka! Learn to Japan, Mecha. Jeez!Yes, it doesn't change anything because weeaboos will always be ignorant about Japan. You can give all kinds of facts about the country and they'll completely ignore them. |
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| china korea france usa some animated works may not totally be anime, but can be influenced by it |
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| anime is actually just a term coined in japan for the word animation; but in countries other than japan it is a word used to refer to japanese animation. the father of anime is inherently japanese see Osamu Tezuka; it was his idea and animation style that pioneered modern animation. a lot of countries other than japan consider him the father of modern animation. but what separates japanese animation (i dont want to use the term anime at this moment) and what we consider 'normal' animation is the geological styles and cultural appropriations present in japanese animations (though this varies) e.g. how people interact with each other etc. so whilst we draw characters inspired by japanese animation, at face level only can it be considered to be an anime and where some animation is considered anime -generally korea and china- i can only go to the extent of saying it is influenced by japanese animation but not anime (this also holds true for any western animation) (but hey, this is my opinion; i'm open to criticism) i did explore different articles on this matter and i found this to be the general concensus in this debate now there's a big but.... BUUUUT........... what ive realised is that so long as it is produced in japan (excluding indie ad webcomics -unless said webcomic has received japanese reception, see 'one punch man' origins [i think the guy who made one punch man was japanese anyway; since ive only read up about him]; but you guys would already know) P.S. im just a guy who wants to actually create manga -or light novels (i love writing), since im not that fluid in manga panels- |
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| plenty of anime are made or subcontracted to south korea and china, not an uncommon thing at all. |
JD2411 said: KyuuAL said: some people like japanese cartoons, some people like american cartoons, some people like european cartoonsExcept, when you take something Western made - like oh - Avatar and RWBY - people freak out; and MAL outright rejects it from the database. Then as for everyone else, RWBY is mentioned as "anime-styled"; though at the very least, I'm willing to compromise with the label "anime-styled", as it is a step in the right direction. don't hate on people for not liking avatar and rwby and to my knowledge avatar is very popular with mal users Avatar has a similar art syle- but the feel of the story is quite different. Much more childish. No fanservice. No romance until 60 episodes. Etc. Overall it's very easy to tell between a show made in Japan or the US. |
Nico- said: the light novel sells well without oneNot a single country has tried to make an eels and escalators anime yet |
| Good question OP! It depends. While anime generally means any cartoon or animation to the general Japanese population, anime in America means Japanese animations. So, if someone uses definition 1, there's anime all over the world, while if they use definition 2, there's lots of animations that have been influenced by anime. Here's a Wikipedia article about anime influenced animations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime-influenced_animation It talks about different shows all over the world that have been influenced by Japanese animation! It's a really interesting read. Any country can create animations that are similar or identical to Japanese animations, but evidently, no county has quite done it like Japan has. Anyways, that's all that I can contribute. :) |
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| Well for one there is China (why we have the chinese cartoon things) and I believe that South Korea has tried as well (don't quote me on that though). The U.S also makes some cartoons and other things inspired by anime. |
| France and Japan seem to have an history of animation together... |
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