Shiki Episode 22 Discussion

Turps said:
I agree 100% man, Muroi and Sunako are by far my favorite characters. (not to forget Tatsumi, cause he was such a troll to the doctor). Natsuno is the biggest fuckwit in the entire show, ruined their whole plan 'because he didn't like them', honestly how old is he, 12?

I agree Team Shiki is the only team you need, and if you like that team so much, read the last chapter of the Last Manga volume, little surprise that made me 3x happier with the story in general.

MrRazzleDazzle said:
FUCK THE SHIKI!!! (Not the Anime) End of story. I couldn't stand Megumi and her constant bitching about how everyone sucks and she is the best. But when she gets rejected "Oh wou is me" or something like that. In the end she got what was coming for her - Complete BITCH O_O. Sunako and Seishin....Screw `em both. Int he end, the one who disturbed the piece and got nearly everyone killed and the village destroyed, gets a pat on the head from the hypocrite monk (At least thats how I see it). And of course, they survive (Or so it seems in the end). Also, trying to protect Shiki. Why? Why would you do that? They kill to live. Sure humans kill each other on a daily basis but...somehow, and I really cant explain with my limited dictionary, its different. Shiki logic would be "the needs of the one, outweigh the needs of the many." What happens when they run out of humans.? Extinct. Or do they breed them and keep them like animals? Thats not someone I`d be rooting for.!

Toshio and Natsuno, I was rootig for them to save the village. Feel kind of sad for Toshio, but gotta blame The old man for the destruction of the village because he set the fire...or so i think....Not sure. xD Toshio is a badass as well, no hesitation.

Well, in the end I don't regret watching this, even though I spoiled the ending a bit before watching. And this was mostly my opinion about the characters.

Conclusion - NEVER INVITE ANYONE IN YOUR HOUSE!!!! and DON'T FUCK WITH HUMANS.! Or they will fuck your shit up.!

JLDAGH said:
Liked the Anime, ticked tho' that two of the monsters survived in the end. Seishin and Sunako should have died. Ah well, at least Bad-Ass Toshio survived; the only one willing to do what needed to be done.

Megumi, glad she got killed, all the people she happily killed, yeah, glad she's gone. These Shiki didn't even try to live in peace, so they deserve no sympathy (aside from the nurse girl).

So, the entire was fitting and good, except for two Shiki surviving. Other than that tho', I enjoyed it.

pureradiance said:
I have never posted here before but have to after reading all the anger directed at Muroi and Sunako's characters. i thought they were the deepest and best developed.

My thoughts:

1. Sunako may be old chronologically but her physical body is important. Here's why: the human brain is generally considered to be underdeveloped during the preteen years especially the frontal lobe which is important for judgement. This is why when preteens commit crimes they are almost always let off no matter how heinous the crimes may have been. This is why Sunako is ultimately a sympathetic character in my eyes no matter how old. She just never grew up.

I'll explain further: we all know the Shiki are essentially frozen in time in the state when they died. Sunako for all her knowledge gained from reading all that time still lacked judgement due to her physical brain as is exemplified by her choices. Was it really a sound idea to destroy your source of food completely to somehow create a place where you can be accepted? Doesn't make sense right? Hence, the lack of judgement on her part i.e it was a child's pipe dream. It was a terrible plan and the fault of the original Kirishikis for going along with it. She was still the smartest of them anyway so I guess they just didn't think for themselves.

2. As for Muroi, he was my favorite character because he was the only one who tried to settle things with some semblance of diplomacy (though he took action late) rather than all out warfare like everyone else . A lot call him hypocritical for killing the annoying OP old dude but did you guys miss the part where the old dude and his crew killed Muroi's family despite the fact that they were 100% innocent and had no clue whatsoever what was going on? It was ok for old dude to be judge, jury and executioner?

You guys hate the Shiki for killing innocent people when they themselves were victims to begin with but you somehow support old dude doing the very same thing to innocent people not even shikis. It's not Muroi that's the hypocrite, it's the people watching the show and making these comments. It's also ironic that everyone instead loves Megumi who was the worst of the Shikis by killing just to torture people (Kaori). At least Nao naively believed she could get her family to join her.

To add, when Muroi killed the old man, he was no longer human so he actually died with his convictions and never contradicted himself (though he was never the good person he tried to be from the get-go). He was reborn as a different being and chose to exact vengeance on the old beard guy for two purposes: to avenge his family (reasonable for anyone) and to save the last individual who could accept him i.e Sunako. Even if he was still human at that point, his actions would still be completely acceptable because the villagers obviously wanted him dead despite being human while Sunako accepted him despite being shiki.

Lastly I don't get the love for Natsuno, his character seemed tacked on to give people their typical brooding emo protagonist to root for. I guess the strategy worked. Seemed to me like the show won't have lost anything if he didn't exist. This was very obvious when the show reached it's climax.

Sorry for the long rant but if you take the time to read it, you will find meaning...

DaveofCanada said:
A bit disappointed that Sunako got away, Ookawa should've staked her when he had the chance rather than stalling. Glad that almost every Shiki was wiped out, though. Shame that Sunako can start it up again elsewhere, though.

I don't understand Seishin's ridiculously hypocritical stance, he was frustrating since he walked away from Ozaki during the digging scene.

Mr_Ambivalence said:
That ending caught me off guard. it was just brutal how the humans go so far to get rid of the shiki and end up being bigger monsters than them.

I sympathize with the Shiki because it's not like all of them enjoyed killing or even had many other options. I would even go as far as saying they weren't really evil in any way. Their main goal at first was a little harsh since they wanted to make a village for themselves by killing people and hoping that they rise up but in the end I would say they were more human than the villagers who tried to kill them off. If anything i would say they were more compassionate then the humans because they didnt kill anyone in a painful way, they didnt make anyone suffer then die; on the other hand the villagers didnt really show any pity when killing the Shiki, The most peaceful death was probably Tohru's and Ritsuko's since they were asleep. Toshio disappointed me too how he lost his humanity and started killing as if it was nothing. Not even showing sympathy for your wife is messed up.

I liked the ending cause it was different and i never would've expected it but at the same time its brutal how all the Shiki were killed and the villagers just acted like it was housework. Lesson learned: at times humans can be worst than the supposed monster they fight.

Mr_Ambivalence said:
That ending caught me off guard. it was just brutal how the humans go so far to get rid of the shiki and end up being bigger monsters than them.

I sympathize with the Shiki because it's not like all of them enjoyed killing or even had many other options. I would even go as far as saying they weren't really evil in any way. Their main goal at first was a little harsh since they wanted to make a village for themselves by killing people and hoping that they rise up but in the end I would say they were more human than the villagers who tried to kill them off. If anything i would say they were more compassionate then the humans because they didnt kill anyone in a painful way, they didnt make anyone suffer then die; on the other hand the villagers didnt really show any pity when killing the Shiki, The most peaceful death was probably Tohru's and Ritsuko's since they were asleep. Toshio disappointed me too how he lost his humanity and started killing as if it was nothing. Not even showing sympathy for your wife is messed up.

I liked the ending cause it was different and i never would've expected it but at the same time its brutal how all the Shiki were killed and the villagers just acted like it was housework. Lesson learned: at times humans can be worst than the supposed monster they fight.

pureradiance said:
I have never posted here before but have to after reading all the anger directed at Muroi and Sunako's characters. i thought they were the deepest and best developed.

My thoughts:

1. Sunako may be old chronologically but her physical body is important. Here's why: the human brain is generally considered to be underdeveloped during the preteen years especially the frontal lobe which is important for judgement. This is why when preteens commit crimes they are almost always let off no matter how heinous the crimes may have been. This is why Sunako is ultimately a sympathetic character in my eyes no matter how old. She just never grew up.

I'll explain further: we all know the Shiki are essentially frozen in time in the state when they died. Sunako for all her knowledge gained from reading all that time still lacked judgement due to her physical brain as is exemplified by her choices. Was it really a sound idea to destroy your source of food completely to somehow create a place where you can be accepted? Doesn't make sense right? Hence, the lack of judgement on her part i.e it was a child's pipe dream. It was a terrible plan and the fault of the original Kirishikis for going along with it. She was still the smartest of them anyway so I guess they just didn't think for themselves.

2. As for Muroi, he was my favorite character because he was the only one who tried to settle things with some semblance of diplomacy (though he took action late) rather than all out warfare like everyone else . A lot call him hypocritical for killing the annoying OP old dude but did you guys miss the part where the old dude and his crew killed Muroi's family despite the fact that they were 100% innocent and had no clue whatsoever what was going on? It was ok for old dude to be judge, jury and executioner?

You guys hate the Shiki for killing innocent people when they themselves were victims to begin with but you somehow support old dude doing the very same thing to innocent people not even shikis. It's not Muroi that's the hypocrite, it's the people watching the show and making these comments. It's also ironic that everyone instead loves Megumi who was the worst of the Shikis by killing just to torture people (Kaori). At least Nao naively believed she could get her family to join her.

To add, when Muroi killed the old man, he was no longer human so he actually died with his convictions and never contradicted himself (though he was never the good person he tried to be from the get-go). He was reborn as a different being and chose to exact vengeance on the old beard guy for two purposes: to avenge his family (reasonable for anyone) and to save the last individual who could accept him i.e Sunako. Even if he was still human at that point, his actions would still be completely acceptable because the villagers obviously wanted him dead despite being human while Sunako accepted him despite being shiki.

Lastly I don't get the love for Natsuno, his character seemed tacked on to give people their typical brooding emo protagonist to root for. I guess the strategy worked. Seemed to me like the show won't have lost anything if he didn't exist. This was very obvious when the show reached it's climax.

Sorry for the long rant but if you take the time to read it, you will find meaning...

-Sora- said:
Maaaa~n I´m kinda disappointed... why couldn´t this little Sunako bitch just die ?! I fucking hate her sooooo~ much DX

Yori-the-Yandere said:


Why? She just wanted to live. She wasn't doing anything out of malice, just for survival. It's not like she wanted to be a shiki in the first place.

This is what's irritating: Black and White thinkers who either hate Toshio and the humans. or Sunako and the Shiki when both sides were only doing what they had to do to survive.

ImJustSaiyan said:
Dr. Ozaki is a badass, he was the only one with enough intelligence and deductive ability to realize what was actually going on and he also had the balls to fight back. I have no sympathy for the Shiki whatsoever. Sunako is the worst of all. Her master plan is pure stupidity. She wants to create a village full of Shiki, however, Shiki need human blood to survive and the more people they kill the less food they have while also gaining more Shiki in the process and thus exacerbating the problem. Also the Shiki are selfish and ignorant. Wouldn't it be better to accept the fact that they're dead and pass on peacefully instead of causing havoc and killing their loved ones. Sunako is over one-hundred years old yet she kills young children and creates armies of killers. If the first-turned Shiki was simply noble and intelligent enough to accept the fact that he/she died and also realize that the only means of survival is to murder humans and inevitably create a world full of war and chaos and simplify sacrifice them self as the nurse did, the whole ordeal could have been avoided.

With all of that being said, I don't sympathize with all of the humans. They took things too far and started killing their own and even seemed to enjoy murdering the Shiki at times. The Shiki needed to be eliminated, but it should have been done out of necessity not enjoyment and hate.

Animefreak17a said:
oh and the humans wasn't Being selfish by killing the people in the temple just because the monk was related to them.

The shiki was feeding them selfs like any other creature other wise they would die just like any other creature on this planet,

It's no different what we do to animals in order to feed our selfs

Also the doctor is a mad man he didn't show any remorse or emotion while experimenting on his wife, cutting her, putting things in her, ect and while with a poker face ........hell he didn't even cry or say his sorry for what he was doing to her, an she didn't know what was going on an she like the other shiki still had there personalities like when they was human, hell the f*** nut didn't show any remorse when they killed his mother he didn't care for his wife when she was human.

If you think he's a bad ass for doing all those terrible things then your insane for supporting a madman

ImJustSaiyan said:



As I said I don't sympathize with all of the humans and that includes the ones who killed Muori's family and that also includes Dr. Ozaki. I don't sympathize with him at all, I just think he's a bad ass character and I commend him for detaching himself from emotions and doing what needed to be done. You do realize the alternative was sitting back and watching the village get massacred. Would that have been right? Also these are fictional characters in a fantasy situation, many people in this post side with the humans and many side with the Shiki, both sides were committing murder and both were put in a bad situation, but no one is "insane" for expressing their opinion on a fictional anime about vampires, give me a break.

Animefreak17a said:


I'm sorry I'm just passionate about my opinion on shiki, I didn't mean to take it to far I'm just pissed at the human charecters what they did to a few of my fav charecters.

I understand both sides did kill but there's a difference between them

The shiki-
They are the victims and didn't ask to become shiki and they want to continue living like any other creature but they must feed in order to live an they didn't do it out of hate or fear or anything they did it because they need to feed or they will die.

The humans-
The humans killed out of fear and hate for the shiki and the way they did it was over the line and they seem to forgot that the shiki are there fellow villagers and they also think the shiki are brainless monsters with nothing of there former selfs when they was human, but we know this and the doctor knew this but he kept that to him self and lied to the villagers to start a war with them. Not forgetting they did to there fellow villagers

Temple people
There fellow hunters
The old man
There fellow humans now shiki

I can for give the shiki because they had no other choice because of them wanting to live.
I can't forgive the humans because how they handled it and killing my fav charecters.

AviJii said:
At the end the village died. I thin that is the most catching lines for me. Not in a sense that the villagers are all dead but, the village itself died. Toshio loses this game. Also I hate the fact that people transformed into monster because they were desperate.

WickedHeroine said:
Edit-
In all, I started the series hating the Shiki, and hoping that Toshio would defeat them. But seeing as how the village dealed with the situation, and eventually grew too harsh, I gradually switched to rooting for some shiki to survive. I'm glad the village burned down in the end.

Also, can ANYONE please help me understand two things.
1- Who was in the blue car at the end, and what was in the box? Was that Muroi & Sunako? :o (JUST REWATCHED, and I'm confirming that it was Muroi driving. The person had glasses and the same eyes as him.)