The Real Ending to Code Geass

May 5, 2015 4:24 AM

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Did he( Lelouch) really be became immortal by taking Charles' code? If so, then why he could still cast his geass ability to his brother (Schnizer) after coming back from world of C? Pardon if my spelling is incorrect...

May 5, 2015 8:33 AM

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ChizuruTachibana said:
Did he( Lelouch) really be became immortal by taking Charles' code? If so, then why he could still cast his geass ability to his brother (Schnizer) after coming back from world of C? Pardon if my spelling is incorrect...

After you take the code you don't become immortal until you die once. That's why when Lelouch used his geass on Charles and told him to kill himself it still worked. Immortals aren't affected by geass, so charles wasn't immortal until after he killed himself

And likewise, Lelouch was not immortal until suzuku stabbed him - which is why he was able to use his geass up until that point

May 7, 2015 11:24 PM

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Here's a point that i think people are forgetting, (this may not be 100% correct but its how i took it) Season 2 of code geass is called R2. Think of C.C which is pronounced C.2 in Japanese Lelouche is pronounced with r's. SO think of it almost as R.R as in R.2. NOW, think of this, what is C.2's actual name? no one knows they just call her C.C/C.2. SO when the creators of the show said that lelouche is dead, they meant it, he isnt lelouche anymore he is R.R or R.2 hence the name of the second season.
I repeat this could be incorrect but this is how i understood it and is another reason among many others why i think lelouche... or rather R.R is alive.

Let me know what you think :)

May 8, 2015 10:25 AM

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fawtbalugawhale said:
Here's a point that i think people are forgetting, (this may not be 100% correct but its how i took it) Season 2 of code geass is called R2. Think of C.C which is pronounced C.2 in Japanese Lelouche is pronounced with r's. SO think of it almost as R.R as in R.2. NOW, think of this, what is C.2's actual name? no one knows they just call her C.C/C.2. SO when the creators of the show said that lelouche is dead, they meant it, he isnt lelouche anymore he is R.R or R.2 hence the name of the second season.
I repeat this could be incorrect but this is how i understood it and is another reason among many others why i think lelouche... or rather R.R is alive.

Let me know what you think :)

I agree! (look 4 comments above yours lol)

May 15, 2015 4:32 PM

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Lelouch died. R.R is alive :p

R.R = Rurushu Ranperuji (Lelouch Lamperouge)

May 16, 2015 12:56 PM

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One big problem i have with all these 'logical' arguments is if lelouch is alive, and presumably immortal, then what happens to his body when he dies? When he kills his father the guy stays dead for maybe a minute, five tops. So when lelouch comes back to life would he be able to get away? Would not the EMPEROR even the evil one not have some form of burial? And with nunally clinging onto him would she not react to his Resurrection and let the cat out of the bag? Logically i think it would be very hard for him to hide his resurrection, especially considering his guards and such all legged it.

More importantly that final scene with C.C where she 'speaks' to lelouch sounds more to me like reminiscing, on the fact that the power of the kings is meant to be a lonely power. And yet through it he made far more friends, comrades, allies and bound people together than he would have without it. It really can't seem that impossible that C.C. is just speaking her thoughts out loud?

Anyways that's my two cents, plus didn't the creators say he died? That seems the most definitive, its like reading a book and then shouting at it for a few hours and expect it to change the ending.

May 25, 2015 6:56 PM

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I like the way Code Geass ENDED, and with the obvious outcome of Lelouch actually dying. Because what made the end so meaningful was the sacrifice. Was Lulu taking all the burdens and sin and hate upon himself and destroying himself in order to make the world a better place. He made himself the enemy.. There is something in our world that has people wanting to live and when they die they want to leave something behind and be remembered.. Lelouch has a few revelations during the series as he tries to capture Nunnally which drive doubt into his cause. He is torn between his masks, between lies and truth.. The two times it happens he loses his way, and during the second time he confronts and begs Suzaku to keep Nunnally safe, in this part a few key lines are said that reveal Lulu's passion/pain/fear:
- "I want to see you save the world with all your malice." -Suzaku
- "If you're going to tell a lie, then keep it up until the very end."- Suzaku
~ "The look in his eyes, I know that look, the look of torment that comes from bottling up a lie." -Suzaku thinks when seeing Lulu's torment/struggle.

Code Geass is about the struggles and love. Of one who wants to make the world a better place and find justice and equality. (that was pretty much what Britannia was... "not all men are created equal, we are best, all the rest are trash" -Emperor/ and mirrored in most britannians throughout the series...). And how one boy/man found a way to change that world. By sacrificing not only his life but his name and history, all he fought for, all he gave was for the world and he kept none of it for himself. That is why his character is so great, and all that stress/struggles/doubts that plague him throughout the series help prove him as being real. Those who knew in the end of what he did knew that they had to continue his lie, else all his sacrifice would be for naught. He knowingly puts this burden on them. Only they can know he was a hero, but they must go to their graves with that knowledge, while the world and for all of history Lulu would just be Hitler.. His COMPLETE sacrifice, destroying the world, and making it anew.

Now, lets just erase all that struggle, all that humanity, all what makes it so real, all that makes this show such a beautiful masterpiece. And throw it out the window and scream - "IIILLLUUUMMINAAATEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!! C2+V2+R2= 2+2+2=6 DIVIDED BY 2 = 3!! ILUMINAAATEEEE!!! CVR OR VCR!! A 3 CORNERED VCR IS A TRIANGLE! ILLUUMINATTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! Lulu's alive... deal with........................."

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madmaxypooMay 25, 2015 7:10 PM

May 25, 2015 7:03 PM

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zERo-RR said:
Lelouch died. R.R is alive :p

R.R = Rurushu Ranperuji (Lelouch Lamperouge)

Lol

May 26, 2015 10:14 AM

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Lelou is dead. We just have to let him go.
Kill me for put that video ~.~

May 26, 2015 5:59 PM

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personally i think either ending is great, so it doesn't matter to me which is the real one. either way its still the greatest ending i've ever seen to an anime (aside from maybe FMA: Brotherhood)

Jun 8, 2015 1:47 AM

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The reason that he has both the code and the geass is that he got his geass from C.C and got the code from Charles which could explain why he has the ability to use both. That, and the fact that the anime is called "Code Geass Lelouch of the Rebellion R2" for a reason. Look at how code and geass have been inserted here before Lelouch's name. If it isn't indicating that there exists a person in the Code Geass universe who has the ability to be immortal and use geass, then I honestly don't know why... This has been explained by countless others before me and I accept them as well because it makes much more sense this way.

VoxDeiJun 8, 2015 11:50 AM

Jun 10, 2015 10:21 PM

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hmm who's the one with lelouch face on Akito Arc?

"A sword is a weapon, Kenjutsu is the
art of killing, Whatever pretty words
you use to speak of it, this is
its true nature."

Otaku always defy common sense.

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Jun 12, 2015 9:25 AM

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Lelouch vi Britiannia is dead. But, not Lelouch Lamperouge. This is what the creators meant! (The rest of my facts were already written by Thep) (I'm not going to rewrite so check his post out. Same beliefs as mines)

Jun 12, 2015 9:28 AM

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THe real ending is my DICK

Jun 12, 2015 9:30 AM

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Lelouch should have died completely. I dislike how they implied he transferred his conscious like his mother did. Killed the ending for me when I rewatched R2

As far as i remember they didnt imply such thing. The only clue is C.C. calling Lelouch's name in the end

Jun 12, 2015 9:47 AM

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I like how OP despise Lelouch and want to see him rot up in hell for eternity but apperantly wants to prove he is still alive and well.

That being said, was there anyone who ever provided an official quote/evidence from the creator saying he is dead? Curious about this now.

Jul 2, 2015 2:07 AM

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i believe that zero is alive for all we know the zero on the stage could have been his maid wearing his mask . she has done i before and did support him forever!!!!!!!!!

Jul 28, 2015 9:14 PM

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The most solid proof that lelouch is alive that you all missed was jerimiah. Loyalty was everything to that mofu. There was no way he would allow lelu to go with such a plan where he has to die and he lived happily after that.
And all this fight is only due to that carriage scene. If it wasn't there everyone would have accepted his death.

Jul 28, 2015 9:18 PM

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You talk too much..

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Jul 29, 2015 11:37 AM

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Well no offense but I think that is bullshit since it screws the whole point of the ending the true beauty of the ending is that lelocuh die taking all the blame and sins for his sister and the other people to live happy and in justice I mean if he is still alive then what are the tears I shed while watching the ending was for??

Aug 4, 2015 7:20 AM

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http://codegeass.wikia.com/wiki/Julius_Kingsley Not dead, it says so right inside this link.

"Dont wait for the knight in shining armour to come and save you, be the knight in shining armour, and save yourself."
- American newscaster responding to the Anonymous group.

Aug 4, 2015 10:12 PM

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Okay I know it's 2015. I'm newer to anime. and this is my favorite anime. Okay I'm new as in haven't watched a lot, but I've watched this anime like more times than I can count bc I own it and is my Favorite.

And.... I'll admit when I first saw ending I didn't want to Lelouch to die so I jumped on bandwagon. But after watching it a couple of times I truly believe he is alive. Pretty much exactly the same way the very first post said he was alive.

For you people saying creators said he is dead. Very true, but they have also said it's up to the fans to decided for themselves. It don't matter Lelouch's story is done. Lelouch was originally alive at the ending, but they changed it probably because they wanted the story to end, and if the original had him seen alive it could cause people to want more Lelouch and expect a R3.

I think it's fair enough that they said it's up to the people to decide. Let people choose the ending they want. I don't think their should be this bickering over who is right tho. If people want a dead Lelouch have be dead. Even though in my opinion he is alive. I think him being alive is more fitting end to the series in more way than one.

Oh and I could go on a rant and talk about the future of that world and how no matter what Geass will come back and ruin their peace, but no point, but I have thought it through if C2 is truly left alone for eternity and to return to her suffering of being alone never aging. She technically doesn't ever lose her code. Plus I don't think Charles Code just disappeared with him. Either way it's just a happier ending if Lelouch is alive to be with C2 and love her.

Last thing but random fact. I have seen proof that the ending he was orignially alive, and the creators have acknowledged it. That was a year or two ago tho, and I doubt I'll be able to find it again so sorry. And yes if the character designer said he was alive that is proof. They know the originall story too. You could call me a fanboy I guess because I really love this anime and Lelouch is my favorite character

Aug 6, 2015 7:29 PM

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Fallen_Saint said:
http://codegeass.wikia.com/wiki/Julius_Kingsley Not dead, it says so right inside this link.

That's not a sequel. It's between seasons. Lelouch was completely alive at the time

xErue said:
Lelouch was originally alive at the ending, but they changed it

They never did. There's only a fake video with obvious signs of tampering.

You can freely believe Lelouch is alive, but you can do that without needing to believed in flawed information.

Aug 9, 2015 10:06 AM

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So it has been almost 7 years now, do we have a concrete evidence that he is alive?

Aug 14, 2015 6:18 PM

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There is no concrete evidence. You can certainly come up with theories that rely on other elements nobody ever brings up, for instance, but nothing certain.

Aug 14, 2015 10:34 PM

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First off: The alternate ending people brought up with Lelouchs face (or half of it) visible is a complete and utter fake and should be ignored.

However there is another fake: The creators supposed statement that "Lelouch IS dead". That exact sentence was never uttered. In fact Ichiro Okouchi (the screenwriter for CG) was the one interviewed by the "Continue"-magazine and his statement was that "Lelouch said in the first episode that only those prepared to die are allowed to kill. It's a matter of pride for Lelouch to go by those words and get killed in the end."

So as a matter of fact all that Okouchi said is that Lelouch DIED, he never said he IS DEAD (which would be a continuous state while the first one just describes a specific moment). Every single "Lelouch is immortal"-theory out there points toward him having taken his fathers Code and as we all know (at least if we understood C.C.s backstory and Charles' changes) you need to die in order for the Code of Immortallity to activate.
So no, Okouchis "Lelouch was killed" is not a contradiction to the Code-theory, it is a friggin requirement for that theory to be true.

This is in no way a clear piece of evidence that the theory is right since all the hints we get can be taken both ways.

- Him commanding Charles to "begone/disappear" shortly after fully activating his Geass (both eyes) and while some kind of god is making itself known creates a situation where we can't know if it's the fully activated Geass or the God that made Charles disappear completely. Hell, since this is the god of C's world there's even the possibility that enabling Lelouch to activate his Geass fully WAS the gods way of killing Charles. Either way we are not supposed to know who is fully responsible for Charles' death and thus we don't know if the Code was or wasn't given to Lelouch. We're not even given the information IF a code can just disappear. It might have been taken back by the god of C's world, or maybe he awarded it to Lelouch (who was trying to do the same thing the god aimed to do) or maybe it was given to a random person somewhere else on the planet.

- The good old "Lelouch can't have the Code cause he still has his Geass.". We are not actually told if getting the code gets rid of the Geass or if it's the activation of the Code (a.k.a. dying) that gets rid of it. They actually go out of their way to obscure this piece of information as much as possible. When the nun in C.C.'s flashback dies C.C. is heavily wounded and implied to have "died" shortly after getting the code. When Charles gets the code all we see him do is talk until Lelouch orders him to kill himself which activates the code (which Charles wanted all along, since he wanted to be immortal). So we're not told if Charles still had his Geass pre-suicide and didn't use it cause it wasn't needed for his plan or if he had already lost it but didn't mention the fact.

- While Zero(Suzaku) and Lelouch are standing across from each other we see C.C. pray and say something along the lines of "your punishment for using the Geass on others is..." but we never hear the end of the sentence. Death surely is a punishment, but due to the fact that C.C. wanted to finally be able to die it would also make sense for her to consider the inability to die a punishment.

- The cart driver is fully clothed. So much in fact, that not a single inch of his skin can be seen. While that indicates a reason for him to hide (after all, why wouldn't they just use a generic cartdriver to avoid that theory and why would they do a close-up of half his upper body if they wanted us to ignore him?), it only creates the possiblity of it being Lelouch without any actual evidence telling us he really is.

- C.C. leans her head back while supposedly talking to Lelouch at the end. This can indicate she is talking to the cart driver up front but it can also just be her looking towards "heaven".

- The pink paper crane is a keepsake from Lelouch reminding him of Nunnally. it has no sentimental value to C.C. but at the same time she could be keeping it out of respect because it was that important to Lelouch.

Every single scene leaves both options open and actually almost forces us to consider them both because they never intended to give us a clear answer. The team coming out and saying "It's up to the viewer to decide." (which is in line with Okouchis statement that Lelouch was killed, which is a requirement for both options) pushes that point even further.

This is a topic thats still being discussed because they literally wanted it to be a topic that could and would be discussed for years to come.
So long story short: If you prefer Lelouch to be dead, consider him dead, if you want him to be an immortal traveling around with the punishment of having to see the sister he loved so much age and die and watch the peace he built slowly crumble and make space for new wars (cause ultimately humanity always seeks conflict) you can consider him alive. In a sense both versions are "bad endings" but they are both equaly viable. Whoever goes out and says "I know this version is true for a fact and no one should argue with my version!" is trying to sell his own theory as a fact. No matter if he's speaking out for or against Lelouchs permanent death.

ShinvarAug 18, 2015 2:29 AM

Aug 21, 2015 11:30 AM

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But C.C talks to Lelouch , thats obvious.

Aug 22, 2015 1:47 AM

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Sure, she does adress Lelouch but there's no way to tell if she is actually talking to a living Lelouch in her vicinity or if it's just melancholy and loneliness basically making her say "You did good." to a friend that can no longer hear her.

Don't get me wrong, if I had to chose I'd prolly say the immortality-theory is true. But thats just because it's the less obvious of the 2 versions and whenever an author goes out of his way to make a very obvious and a very weird situation seem equally viable there's a reason for that. But thats just the version I prefer because it rewards the people that kept every single hint in mind and didn't misinterpret statements (Lelouch died =|= Lelouch is dead) by letting them figure out that last 1% of the story that the rest might miss. That doesn't make it true though. It just means I feel like the story is more powerful when it challenges the viewer and creates a philosophical conundrum ("What is the steeper punishment? Dying or being forced to live and see all the people you wanted to protect die and see everything you've built crumble without a way out?"). There might be others that prefer the idea that Lelouch really remained dead because they feel like him being immortal cheapens the tragedy and they're free to do just that.

Thats why the creators clearly stated "Lelouch's story has ended.". It's a clear call that you can take whatever stance you like. If you want Lelouch to be immortal you should know that he'll still remain in hiding and never be seen again and if you want him to be dead that makes the "stories end" even more obvious.

Aug 23, 2015 12:14 PM

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Shinvar said:
This is a topic thats still being discussed because they literally wanted it to be a topic that could and would be discussed for years to come.

If so, then the Code Geass ending was one of the most outstanding achievements in anime history. It's been 7 years and we still can't let it go. (On a related note, this is one of the most clear-headed analyses I've had the pleasure of reading.)

While I completely agree with you, you can't deny, though, that the punishment of having to live forever, Lelouch's track record for scheming and the possibility of a C.C.-Lelouch END make the Code end a little more appealing. To some, at least.

It kind of sucks though that the creators put their foot down with the whole "the story has ended" thing. I recently re-watched it, and (as with most good anime) I want more. That's probably the main motivation for a lot of us for wanting to believe the Code end.

Aug 25, 2015 10:21 PM

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Some people here must have been genius trollers, scanning for inconsistencies in the story to spark an argument fueled by what people want to believe P;

Aug 27, 2015 11:34 PM

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Why do people continue to come up with theories claiming Lelouch is alive? Almost like saying 2pac is still alive xD. Truth is he died, as much as you and I desperately want him alive still, HES IS DEAD. I personally loved the anime, his tragic death was like adding a cherry on top to the story (not trying to sound like a sadist, it was sad but made the story greatER). But if he was still alive, his death wouldn't be as significant as it was, would it? Bottom line is, Lelouch is dead, and no one can change that but the creator himself. I hope for some new Code Geass anime series, obviously not making Lelouch the protagonist, but at least throw a couple of scenes with memories, references, (etc) of him or something. Lelouch was an outstanding character, probably the best in all anime (personal preference).

3KingsAug 27, 2015 11:38 PM

Aug 27, 2015 11:39 PM

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Reddy548 said:
But C.C talks to Lelouch , thats obvious.

Just like when people talk to someone's grave.

Aug 28, 2015 9:06 PM

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So I just re watched code geass and yes the writers also hint lelouch is dead but this is why they said it I think it's because they were tired of the argument of is he or isn't he? But to me I gotta say he's alive. At the end c2 starts talking and references lelouch by name and if you pay attention to the driver, he smirks after she says " right lelouch" that to me proves evidence that he faked his death and gained immortality like his father

Aug 29, 2015 9:14 AM

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I was just thinking about the ending of Code Geass and how CC talks to Lelouch at the end. I'm certain that Lelouch is dead and therefore is in C's world and that she wasn't talking to him in person. I had always assumed that she was talking to herself in the way that people talk to loved ones who've died. However I just remembered that Charles claimed to have talked to Clovis after his death, also CC was able to communicate with Marianne and VV through some kind of telepathy. I was wondering if in some way CC could actually have been talking to Lelouch after his death and if anyone had any thoughts on this?
I'm looking at two possibilities. One is that the sword of akasha or the thought elevator can be used to communicate with the dead in C's world, as Charles appeared to suggest, in which case it may no longer be possible as the sword seemed to be destroyed in R2 episode 21. If the sword of akasha or thought elevator is what is used then CC would have to be there herself and the ending was just her talking to herself. But CC seemed to be able to communicate with Marianne and VV from a distance, though some kind of telepathy. Also in R2 episode 21 Lelouch knew when she was about to arrive and that she had regained her memories so possibly they have some mental connection due to their contract perhaps. If so then it may be that CC can communicate with Lelouch in C's world wherever she is therefore in the final scene she could have actually been communicating with him, although who knows if he could return the contact. This is probably just wishful thinking on my part though, it would make Lelouch's death slightly happier for me.

Aug 30, 2015 12:21 AM

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Hm, people continue to use that final cutscene where C.2 mentions his name (Lelouch) as an excuse for his supposed staged death? I'm not implying it's all nonsense, it actually seems quite logical and rather valid. But it's not enough to convince someone who thinks otherwise of his death. It lacks evidence, hence someone can easily counter that statement by saying C.2 was talking to herself, assuming Lelouch could hear him in the afterlife or something else. Similar to someone who speaks to an imaginary friend, etc.

Aug 30, 2015 12:10 PM

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3Kings said:
Hm, people continue to use that final cutscene where C.2 mentions his name (Lelouch) as an excuse for his supposed staged death? I'm not implying it's all nonsense, it actually seems quite logical and rather valid. But it's not enough to convince someone who thinks otherwise of his death. It lacks evidence, hence someone can easily counter that statement by saying C.2 was talking to herself, assuming Lelouch could hear him in the afterlife or something else. Similar to someone who speaks to an imaginary friend, etc.

That's pretty much exactly how I feel about the final scene.

Aug 30, 2015 1:43 PM

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Yet people who say he died ignored the fact after c2 says "right lelouch" the wagon driver smirks then the screen goes to black that to me implied he faked his death

Aug 30, 2015 3:26 PM

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LegendaryBroli said:
Yet people who say he died ignored the fact after c2 says "right lelouch" the wagon driver smirks then the screen goes to black that to me implied he faked his death

The video where he smiles is a fake. Watch the logo in the corner.

Aug 31, 2015 8:40 AM

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The one thing I hated most about Lelouch's death was the fact that one of the large reasons he did the things he did was to create a peaceful world in which Nunnally could be happy. At the end Nunnally even says "I would've been happy just being with you". So even though he has created a peaceful world he has prevented his sister from ever truly being happy and as such has failed his main goal.

Aug 31, 2015 11:37 AM

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Demonic_Legend said:
The one thing I hated most about Lelouch's death was the fact that one of the large reasons he did the things he did was to create a peaceful world in which Nunnally could be happy. At the end Nunnally even says "I would've been happy just being with you". So even though he has created a peaceful world he has prevented his sister from ever truly being happy and as such has failed his main goal.

True and that definitely makes the ending a bittersweet one. I guess we can hope that Nunnally will find a way to be happy without him. But also I think that towards the end his focus had shifted to be slightly less focused on Nunnally. In his conversations with C.C. in episodes 23 and 24 he did say he would have to kill Nunnally if she stood in the way of the Zero Requiem so I think although her happiness was still important I think his attempt to create world peace for everyone had taken priority at this point.

Aug 31, 2015 12:57 PM

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LegendaryBroli said:
Yet people who say he died ignored the fact after c2 says "right lelouch" the wagon driver smirks then the screen goes to black that to me implied he faked his death

Lol, I can't believe how dense people can be xD. Sorry if I offended you but seriously, can't you determine the difference between an amateurs art style to a experienced artist? It's art style makes it obvious that's it's a fraud image, just look at the outlines of his face, they're too bold. The animation is horrible it didn't even at least show Lelouch move his mouth a little when he smirked. But I also have it's a question for you. If it's an official scene from the Code Geass anime series, why wasn't it put in the dub version? I see no valid reason for excluding the last scene from the dub version. Why don't the creators confirm it as a legit scene? Was it even seen in the actual subtitle version of the series live (when it was aired in Japan)? Those are just a few questions for you to ponder over. And once again, sorry if I offended you, but the truth hurts at times, savvy?

Sep 7, 2015 3:30 AM

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Well,there are clearly reasonable arguments from both sides,no conclusive proof from either however,but it reminds me of Schneizel's view of the world,how it is meant for man to fight each other for whatever reason,so the show has shown it has a certain level of philosophy.Admiration from the show aside,there is no CONCLUSIVE PROOF so lets enjoy how we think the show ended and leave the thread.Evidence from the show could be intentionally left to stir controversy while the creators specific comments add on to it.So end thread.

Sep 16, 2015 10:39 AM

#293

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Wow 2015 and ppl still arguing over this? O.o

well anyway let me say my opinion...

THE ENDING IS BETTER IF LELOUCHE DIES!

im a lelouche fan my self and he is my favorite character(and will always be) but for him to die a martyr is far better and more honorable than deceiving every god damn person in the world about his death.... and besides why the hell does it matter? i mean dead or alive it doesn't really matter coz there wont be a season 3 and it doesnt change the fact that he was an amazing character... so why care? and i also thing that its up to you to decide what ending you like most..

Nov 27, 2015 8:17 AM

#294

geekfreak17a

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Yay his dead

I dislike lelouch vi Britannia.

im a shiki supporter

my YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR90F0rzcss4CsrAbkZXTkg/featured?view_as=subscriber

Just past the 1500th Mark bitches

I approve this video http://youtu.be/U_0CCLxibFk

Dec 12, 2015 6:34 AM

#295

zackex

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To my mind Leluch is still alive.... c'mon just watch the last 5min of the last ep. He's trolling us at the end.... LOL

Dec 16, 2015 2:33 AM

#296

Foreveralone97

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I believe it's a good thing that the creators left the topic open. When I finished R1, I was very frustrated that Lelouch is evil. In fact, I almost dropped it. I'm really glad I didn't.
I proudly call myself a Lelouch fanboy, if that's what it takes.

madmaxypoo said:
He knowingly puts this burden on them. Only they can know he was a hero, but they must go to their graves with that knowledge, while the world and for all of history Lulu would just be Hitler.. His COMPLETE sacrifice, destroying the world, and making it anew.

.

That hurts.

Jan 9, 2016 10:20 AM

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SodiumChloride

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The guy is dead .Why are people still bringing this up ?Even if you can come up with a theory stating how he isn't, as long as the creator has said that he is then all such theories just prove that CG didn't have perfect storytelling .

SodiumChlorideMay 10, 2016 1:16 PM

Wohooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Feb 17, 2016 2:51 AM

#298

SKYpz

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That's strange...

Feb 17, 2016 2:56 AM

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C2541922 said:
He is alive!!!!

http://youtu.be/gNhyzoq4mxo

In the Japanese version you see him but in American version they don't say.

The video is fake.

Mar 1, 2016 6:19 AM

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The last scene already shows you if he's alive or nah.

if you don't really recall what happened, click on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdlSoTWNlY4&feature=youtu.be&t=440

Lelouch is the one driving the cart, because right after you get a close-up on the driver whose face is conveniently hidden, it then goes to the scene where C.C. says "I said that Geass was the Power of the King which would condemn you to a life of solitude. Heh. I think maybe that's not quite correct. Right, Lelouch?" it's too much of a coincidence that she would say that right after the close-up with the driver, and then look up like as if she were directing the question at him. If the driver wasn't of any importance at all, then what's the point in even having a close-up of him in the first place? When the camera panned horizontally to the cart they could've totally skipped to C.C.'s scene, instead of wasting time on a close-up of some random dude. Plus i'm pretty sure C.C. wouldn't talk about geass and Lelouch so openly when there is someone she doesn't know right in front of her.

boom.

StorktrooperMar 1, 2016 6:48 AM

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