Kakumeiki Valvrave 2nd Season Episode 12 Discussion

jugann said:

My thoughts on most people spamming that.
Valvrave was a fun watch, don't think they'll be doing a S3 though. Magius are dead and it would be a bigger trainwreck as shouko being a pilot would be BAD.
I LOL'd when she was wearing no.1's suit

Dragon_Slayer_X said:

Have to agree with this..................Shoko doesn't deserve to be a pilot and it would terrible even if they try to make her character serious.

Riez said:


I don't understand , I know it's your opinion but Shoko has been stronger than ever. She is strong enough to not give up even after knowing her childhood friend killed his father , her childhood friend bears a big secret without her knowledge , her childhood friend dies.

ganondeurf said:
No one ever wondered why we didn't see any of those moments in the season 2? ><
http://puu.sh/60cEJ
http://puu.sh/60cFt

Riez said:


I don't understand , I know it's your opinion but Shoko has been stronger than ever. She is strong enough to not give up even after knowing her childhood friend killed his father , her childhood friend bears a big secret without her knowledge , her childhood friend dies.

Fai said:


She so strong that she sells out the main force of her country to the enemies that BETRAYED HER ALREADY MULTIPLE TIMES.

She so strong that even after that she spends time hating and distrusting people, one of whom just SACRIFICED HIMSELF to save the bitch and her bitch friends.

She so strong that her WHOLE PLAN of country running is "let's make a festival on the moon!"

She so strong that everything in her country was achieved by other people.

She so strong that she managed to accomplish absolutely NOTHING by herself in the show except for inspiring main character with her "death" IN Ep1.

Fai said:


She so strong that she sells out the main force of her country to the enemies that BETRAYED HER ALREADY MULTIPLE TIMES.

She so strong that even after that she spends time hating and distrusting people, one of whom just SACRIFICED HIMSELF to save the bitch and her bitch friends.

She so strong that her WHOLE PLAN of country running is "let's make a festival on the moon!"

She so strong that everything in her country was achieved by other people.

She so strong that she managed to accomplish absolutely NOTHING by herself in the show except for inspiring main character with her "death" IN Ep1.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


Yeah and survives 200 years without losing memories right......strong nah just asspull, the ending was rushed with many unexplained events and inconsistencies. The one thing i will give her credit for is the 2nd point and Haruto didn't know her father was on that ship, technically that's L-Elf fault. The others are already explained in the "Shoko" thread and that doesn't justify her "betrayal" actions. She is literally one of most useless characters in this show and the least deserving to be valvrave pilot.

NeoAnkara said:
Cue Sunrise launching interquel LN or manga (I hope).

ganondeurf said:
No one ever wondered why we didn't see any of those moments in the season 2? ><
http://puu.sh/60cEJ
http://puu.sh/60cFt

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


Yeah and survives 200 years without losing memories right......strong nah just asspull, the ending was rushed with many unexplained events and inconsistencies. The one thing i will give her credit for is the 2nd point and Haruto didn't know her father was on that ship, technically that's L-Elf fault. The others are already explained in the "Shoko" thread and that doesn't justify her "betrayal" actions. She is literally one of most useless characters in this show and the least deserving to be valvrave pilot.

zerriet said:


If lets say there were to be a third season, where she leads the golden 7. Would you watch it and would it redeem her character in a way? She is trying to expand upon Haruto's utopia

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


If there would have been a third season then they wouldn't have ended in such a rushed way.............i thought you "Shoko" fans knew that.............or maybe you forgot?

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


If there would have been a third season then they wouldn't have ended in such a rushed way.............i thought you "Shoko" fans knew that.............or maybe you forgot?

zerriet said:

I am not really a Shoko fan, i just dont like characters to be misjudged or really hated on. If i were to have a favourite, it would be Akira but thats besides the point.

My point is that episode 12 left alot of openings so it might be a gateway, i am just asking of your opinion

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


They already have "Buddy Complex" airing next season and there are Gundam Build Fighters. Not to mention Gundam Origin and Gundam Unicorn ep7 coming out next year. So no that less of an possibility than you think, they aren't like a certain studio i dislike. So nope a third season isn't gonna happen after this disappointing ending.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


They already have "Buddy Complex" airing next season and there are Gundam Build Fighters. Not to mention Gundam Origin and Gundam Unicorn ep7 coming out next year. So no that less of an possibility than you think, they aren't like a certain studio i dislike. So nope a third season isn't gonna happen after this disappointing ending.

Riez said:


She regrets it and later knowing the truth made her felt worse.

She's supportive , you need some mental support even in real life.

She's acting un-biased as a Prime Minister of a country.

You don't own a country , what do you even know ?

Making a festival in the midst of having some problem is good. It helps to settle down the people from being panicked.

Again , you don't own a country , you know nothing.

Riez said:

Rukino is much more useless.

zerriet said:

But you see, it is because of a disappointing end that they might have to make a season to really answer the questions. Besides, lets take Gundam Seed for example, everyone thought that was it and not GSD, stargazer and 2 movies

Fai said:


OH THAT MAKES IT SO MUCH BETTER AND ABSOLVES HER OF BEING A TRAITOR?

Hey! Let's go into closest nuclear silo, steal the launch codes and send them over to the enemy side! Its okay! We are sorry about it !


And what will she do to form the fucking country or negotiate with others? Put on a fucking cheerleader costume and start cheering?



"you don't remember our stupid cave, you must be EVIL!" soooo unbiased :3


Apparently enough to recognize a ditzy mary sue clown of a character.



And that's fucking fantastic! They solved the most miniscule problem of moral support! OH LOOK FOOD SUPPLIES RUNNING SHORT, NO FUNCTIONING INFRASTRUCTURE, SHITTY DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS AND FUCKING SPACE NAZI VAMPIRES CLOSING IN.

OOPS.



If only all critique required you to had deep knowledge of the field, there would be no critique in the world. What you are saying is as dumb as saying "only presidents should elect presidents because others KNOW NOTHING as they dont own the country"



In last 5 episodes Rukino saved the main cast THREE TIMES, converted A-Drei to their side and spent 200 years fighting for the promise she made.


In last 20+ episodes Shouko....cried.



That's because GSD, being the Twilight of anime market it was, sold like fracking hotcakes as everyone loved their glorious gary stu kira godmato and their glorious mary sue lacus protecting the glorious not-nippon.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


Ah sorry i got a bit heated because of this frustrated and disappointed ending. But no that's not going to happen. There is no Haruto's utopia but rather rather Shoko's "fun and dance" dreamland. Like i said, rushed ending,inconsistencies, unused scenes from the previews,Haruto's death (even coma would have left some possibilities), Shoko is miraculous alive after 200 years (bullshit as i call it)............doesn't leave much for a third season.

Also first half of GSD turned out bad until Kira came back to being the MC, at least for me. Gundam Seed is one of my top 3 favorite Gundam shows though.

Fai said:


OH THAT MAKES IT SO MUCH BETTER AND ABSOLVES HER OF BEING A TRAITOR?

Hey! Let's go into closest nuclear silo, steal the launch codes and send them over to the enemy side! Its okay! We are sorry about it !

- No problem mate , everyone makes mistakes. You threw a nuclear on my side ? No problem , I have no hard feelings because we are in a war ofc I've done something terrible to your sides too.


And what will she do to form the fucking country or negotiate with others? Put on a fucking cheerleader costume and start cheering?

- In a way yes. Try playing any mmo/rpg without support will ya ?



"you don't remember our stupid cave, you must be EVIL!" soooo unbiased :3

- At that moment , she doesn't know that Haruto is losing his memories. Duhh ?


Apparently enough to recognize a ditzy mary sue clown of a character.

- Nope , you don't own one. You know nothing , I know nothing. Do you even politics ?



And that's fucking fantastic! They solved the most miniscule problem of moral support! OH LOOK FOOD SUPPLIES RUNNING SHORT, NO FUNCTIONING INFRASTRUCTURE, SHITTY DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS AND FUCKING SPACE NAZI VAMPIRES CLOSING IN.

OOPS.

- Sadly yes bro , in the midst of having shortage of bs , you will need a boost up of moral supports. People are losing hope , it's your job as a prime minister to live up the spirit back. Do you real life ?



If only all critique required you to had deep knowledge of the field, there would be no critique in the world. What you are saying is as dumb as saying "only presidents should elect presidents because others KNOW NOTHING as they dont own the country"

- No , nowadays presidents are bullshit. That's why we , the people must form a resistance. I'm saying this on basing that Shoko is the ideal president , the prime minister who doesn't fudge things up on the media. Yes , ofc she doesn't she knows nothing about kamitsuki.



In last 5 episodes Rukino saved the main cast THREE TIMES, converted A-Drei to their side and spent 200 years fighting for the promise she made.


In last 20+ episodes Shouko....cried.

- You got that right , but still she's horrible in a way.

Sovietcong said:
This series was really enjoyable despite the plot holes. It truly lived up to the "it's so bad it's good cliche" mech battles were fun to watch and I loved the OP and ED. Hoping for more Nana Mizuki X T.M. Revolution collabs!

zerriet said:


Yes, i also do like GS. Anyways, i think that if Saki managed to live for 200 years, wouldnt shoko be able to do the same. Also, although she still seems to keep her overly cheerful nature but i think she does want to carry Haruto's dream. She probably reflected on her past mistakes but because it wasnt in this episode, then i do agree with you on the issue of questionable writing

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


I have to disagree with the fact that Shoko is alive after 200 years part, as only the Valvrave I's pilots provides runes for all the machines (Pino is on that unit after all) and Marie and Haruto died by losing their memories and getting the runes sucked. There is no way Shoko can survive for 200 years normally while being the pilot of that Valvrave. Also it's a "He" who founded the country and "became the first one of us" according to the flashback...........see the problem?

Don't get me wrong, i am not venting on you and i liked the show, but this is a terrible way to end things and i really dislike Shoko's character. I have been taking Haruto's side from the start because he was going to be the mostly bashed and misunderstood as a character but Shoko deserve the hate she is getting, it's gotten a bit overboard though.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


Even if we try to think like that there are problems. Marie lost her memories and died when she over used her powers. Haruto was especially created to become a pilot so he must have had limiters on him but he also died. The magius have been there a long time and the only good supply of runes they found were humans. So how did they find a infinite resource of runes in less than a year or two before the VVV-I's pilot dies. Haruto didn't live very long even with modification from birth. So simply being alive 200 years being the VVV-I pilot isn't possible. She wouldn't be immortal without being a VVV pilot or being body jacked by a magius (latter not possible) and Red doesn't pilot a suit of another color by normal standards. But finding an infinite resource that magius couldn't find all these time, neither the scientist could do anything about...........right after Shoko becoming a VVV pilot just isn't possible. Also this last episode has a lot of inconsistencies with the flashbacks..........the just rushed it and left it open-ended with those.

Chiyousagi said:
So who exactly are the golden 7. Anyone know?

zerriet said:


Which brings to case why can the magius casually die by bullets, and how there may be a possibility for a rune resource because in the end they can't exactly just say xxx character died because he casually ran out of runes rather than leaking

Riez said:


Okouchi knows lmao. 8D

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


Magius don't have bodies............they are like parasites who possess a body and feeds on runes. Their host bodies age, they need external rune supply (phantom) and changes into another body later. So what happens to them when they have none of those............they don't simply die by bullets. Blame it on the rushing and stuff not explained.............

Also they should have shed a bit of light on Valvraves, Pino & Plue (the reason for calling them original) and why Haruto and team were called 3rd generation, why they don't age etc etc..............the list goes on. Even with the few hints they are mostly unexplained............

Chiyousagi said:


lol well i did guess could be the war heroes, but nay, 8 statues in the room.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


Not possible in 1 ova. These many things need at least half a season to explain. But the way they ended it doesn't leave much room for a continuation........that's my way of seeing it anyway.



It's anyone's guess at this point.

LittleStar said:
"RT Ichirou saying that the identity of the mysterious prince is up to our imagination and will never be explained."

Source: https://twitter.com/yoshi_xtsu/status/416559308835258368

Riez said:
Btw guize ,



ALL HAIL OKOUCHI , HAIL OKOUCHI.

Ruriair said:


I probably missed something, what mysterious prince?

ZeroAkito said:
Well I guess everything has already been said. A more or less complete train wreck - at least the ending was one with the amount of unanswered questions. However I'm less disappointed than I should be. This isn't the first open ending / train wreck-ending I've seen. Of course a third ending / 1-3 OVA(s) would be nice but I think that if we get anything at all it'll be the OVA(s).
Guess what we are essentially left with is the quite familiar message "You want to fill the holes ? Darn. Seems like you'll have to buy/read the novels/manga volumes." -.-

Riez said:
Btw guize ,



ALL HAIL OKOUCHI , HAIL OKOUCHI.

Ruriair said:


So does that mean a third season won't happen?

Ruriair said:
@RSGodCraftRiot

Not true at all imo. Arpeggio's ending was quite good, Valvrave's ending just left a bad taste in my mouth. Valvrave was my favorite show of the season, it has an amazing soundtrack and animation, the ending is just disappointing.

RSGodCraftRiot said:


I joined MAL just to say this.

Still a better ending than Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio.