baki502 said: Then change it up and make a plan to watch list of non high school shows. Variety is the key, there's over 9,000 anime out there. If highschool setting anime are boring you, stop watching them. Going away from them for a while and then coming back will even make the highschool ones better.mitch3315 said: Why does the age, or gender, of the characters matter as long as the show is good? Are you not going to enjoy comedy gold like Nichijou just because a majority of the characters are in high school? I have actually dropped nichijou cause it bored me the first 2 episodes, might pick it up again tough since some scenes on YT really look glorious. But its not that I cant enjoy shows with highschool kids, I just get kind of sick of it. For me setting is very important and seein the highschool setting with highschool kids so often annoys me and bores me. |
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IntroverTurtle said: baki502 said: Then change it up and make a plan to watch list of non high school shows. Variety is the key, there's over 9,000 anime out there. If highschool setting anime are boring you, stop watching them.mitch3315 said: Why does the age, or gender, of the characters matter as long as the show is good? Are you not going to enjoy comedy gold like Nichijou just because a majority of the characters are in high school? I have actually dropped nichijou cause it bored me the first 2 episodes, might pick it up again tough since some scenes on YT really look glorious. But its not that I cant enjoy shows with highschool kids, I just get kind of sick of it. For me setting is very important and seein the highschool setting with highschool kids so often annoys me and bores me. Lol.... Over 9000.... |
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mitch3315 said: Wow, didn't even notice that as I was typing it.Lol.... Over 9000.... |
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| Since most anime are marketed towards children, it makes sense to give children main roles making them sympathetic and more familiar to the intended audience. It's almost indisputable that most anime has schoolgirls in one way or another. All one has to do is make it down a list of currently airing shows. Working our way down the streaming site Anime Season, we have: Only the ones bolded do not have, as far as I can tell, any schoolgirls in significant roles. That's 11 shows out of 38 from this season. |
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elite-sama said: Since most anime are marketed towards children, it makes sense to give children main roles making them sympathetic and more familiar to the intended audience. It's almost indisputable that most anime has schoolgirls in one way or another. All one has to do is make it down a list of currently airing shows. Working our way down the streaming site Anime Season, we have: Only the ones bolded do not have, as far as I can tell, any schoolgirls in significant roles. That's 11 shows out of 38 from this season. I'd say Riko in Kuroko no Basket has a fairly significant role as the coach of Seirin. How old is Morgiana in Magi? Obviously not in school, but I'm guessing she's at that age. Olga in the current arc of Uchuu Kyoudai seems like she'll play a significant part in Hibito's story. |
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| Agreed, especially about arpeggio. Not only about the enemies, but even Also, Gosick, Dantalion no Shoka, maybe Ikoku Meiro no Croisee have silly pretexts. Not that it's a bad thing but wow the reasons are obvious. |
ZephysOct 9, 2013 11:16 PM
Zephys said: Really, Ikoku? I think the way they explain it is sort of odd, but the reason itself isn't odd. I don't think it's all that uncommon for a young person to move to another country to work, that was also a different time. And she's not a teenage girl.Agreed, especially about arpeggio. Not only about the enemies, but even Also, Gosick, Dantalion no Shoka, maybe Ikoku Meiro no Croisee have silly pretexts. Not that it's a bad thing but wow the reasons are obvious. |
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ShrabsterOct 10, 2013 12:20 AM
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| The reason is ... They just like to include school uniforms >.> because of the... short skirts just my opinion |
| Quick, change the thread into "I hate high schooler in anime, what anime with highschooler cast did you hate?" Hisio said: The reason is ... They just like to include school uniforms >.> because of the... short skirts just my opinion Ain't we all love short skirts. Especially if combined with bike shorts. Too bad Bloomers didn't exist anymore in Japan. |
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| I dont mind the teenage girls in Capellion even though it is silly. What I do mind is the government sending this precious radiation immune girls on their mission is school uniforms rather than the appropriate gear for scavenging and stuff. Its like anime producers believe they cant keep people's attention on the screen for more than 2 minutes unless they are in a school uniform. |
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dankickyou said: I dont mind the teenage girls in Capellion even though it is silly. What I do mind is the government sending this precious radiation immune girls on their mission is school uniforms rather than the appropriate gear for scavenging and stuff. Its like anime producers believe they cant keep people's attention on the screen for more than 2 minutes unless they are in a school uniform. Unfortunately we can't. The only other options is sending them in school swimsuit. No, we can't have post-apocalyptic drama with school swimsuit, unless it adds something ecchi with mecha. |
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azzuRe said: dankickyou said: I dont mind the teenage girls in Capellion even though it is silly. What I do mind is the government sending this precious radiation immune girls on their mission is school uniforms rather than the appropriate gear for scavenging and stuff. Its like anime producers believe they cant keep people's attention on the screen for more than 2 minutes unless they are in a school uniform. Unfortunately we can't. The only other options is sending them in school swimsuit. No, we can't have post-apocalyptic drama with school swimsuit, unless it adds something ecchi with mecha. I'm sure there is an inappropriately dressed swimsuit schoolgirl in a dangerous environment anime somewhere out there. :p |
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IntroverTurtle said: It sounds like you need to search older anime if it's really a problem. Whining about something you think is overused online, while they are making money showing that fans don't care about it, isn't really helping anything. Besides anime isn't aimed at you. That there is the problem. The only place to find the anime i've been looking for is Older anime, and a very few newer shows. Modern shows are about Highschool WAY too much. And it's only because thats the biggest market for merchandise. Take a look, for example at Psycho pass's merchandise. Its close to nonexistant. The only PVC figures you'l find are Chibis. As soon as an anime isn't about Flashy females, you can see that there are barely any figurines, or stuff to buy from it. Bakuman, Space Brothers, Tiger and bunny had some, but that never went far. Most modern shows are designed for the purpose of banking in more on the Merchandise. Thats what i find wrong with modern anime. They reuse the same setting over and over again, they reuse the same shitty designs over and over again, they use the EXACT identical personalities Over and over again. And its always about the cute young females who appear to be much older than they look. 80% of Most modern anime are just marketing tools to sell half naked PVC figures for the masses of Otaku's in japan. Thats what sells, thats where anime stays, until it loses its popularity. Which i doubt will happen anytime soon. ErwinJA said: Ender's game is about a kid. It always has been, and there is a very good reason for it in the original story, so picking on it for that is like complaining that Harry Potter movies focus too much on school. You're free to be biased, but to suggest it's just "throwing kids in" without checking whether there's a valid reason makes for a pathetic argument. The only question is how faithfully the movie will follow (probably not so well: they'll probably play down some of the nastier school and bullying stuff and play up the fleet battles). Ah, i see. Well i haven't read the book yet. But the trailer didn't do a good job on giving a serious feel to it. It makes it look like a Disney movie, where killing only happens offscreen. Also gonna check out Black Heaven. Surprised i never saw that one before. Looks interesting. |
CaptainMahoganyOct 10, 2013 10:34 AM
IntroverTurtle said: baki502 said: Then change it up and make a plan to watch list of non high school shows. Variety is the key, there's over 9,000 anime out there. If highschool setting anime are boring you, stop watching them. Going away from them for a while and then coming back will even make the highschool ones better.mitch3315 said: Why does the age, or gender, of the characters matter as long as the show is good? Are you not going to enjoy comedy gold like Nichijou just because a majority of the characters are in high school? I have actually dropped nichijou cause it bored me the first 2 episodes, might pick it up again tough since some scenes on YT really look glorious. But its not that I cant enjoy shows with highschool kids, I just get kind of sick of it. For me setting is very important and seein the highschool setting with highschool kids so often annoys me and bores me. Well if it would be that easy, I would but you cant filter stuff like this, so its a luck game... |
| I always mess up when i try to quote things, so i'll just do it this way. 1: What does that even mean? How does that prove that it's a silly pretext to include teenage girls? Just because certain shows sell does not mean it's silly. Moreover, hat's not the discourse of what we're talking about. We're talking about teenage girls, not necessarily "Chibis." 2: While you're entitled, define "wrong" and "shitty" and explain how they are given the connotations you've put down for them in stone. 3: Define "marketing tools." That's one buzzword I've never heard of before that is seemingly pseudointellectual and is so supposed to have such a negative connotation behind it. Don't just give me the obvious definition either because such a label is baseless assumption as you've done all baseless assumptions in your argument. ------Above this are you three points.. As i expected, i immensely f*cked up trying to put all that into quotes. 1: What it means is that the market is huge with Flashy Female shows because theres plenty of money to be made even after the show has been released on DVD/Bluray. They can create endless collaboration projects with other company's to release as much flashy merchandise as they want, as you can see with stuff like Dakimakura's PVC Figurines, Mousepads, Pillows, Doujinshi's, hell. it's even gone as far as Anime character shaped fleshlights, The amount of money to be made in this modern style of anime is insane since Otaku's wil buy anything. 2: Wrong? Everything i just noted above. Have you ever seen a cowboy bebop dakimakura? Eureka seven? Hellsing? No, because those shows are good enough to sell themselves, instead of having to rely on flashy merchandise to bring the popularity to a higher level. Shitty? Just take a look at the 2013 Fall anime list. They use the same "shitty" female character designs over and over, you know. The ones that you can find with almost every Undressable PVC anime Figure. Yes those. Toss all those shows together into one file, and you could fool a newcomer to anime into thinking it was one show. 3: Well unless you're not really paying attention to what i said above. The marketing tools are simply the shows to introduce you to what kinds of pervy things you'll be able to buy after the series ends! You know, those kind of things Otaku's really enjoy stacking up, just about everything i've mentioned above. Modern anime barely has any originality anymore, and if it does. Its overthrown with the characters we see in almost every single other modern anime series these days. Because, you know. Putting an adorable young little girl half dressed in a Nazi uniform and a skirt, could make a perfect series. GIRLS UND LUFTWAFFE! Thats what anime has resulted to. Just pumping out descent ideas, and mixing it together with tiny adorable girls. Merchandise for you right there Now i dont think i'll be very active in this discussion seeing how the chances of us Agreeing with one another is smaller than the chance of God actually being real. But have at it. |
CaptainMahoganyOct 10, 2013 11:38 AM
baki502 said: What, are you unable to read or something like that? Look at synopsis', main characters's bios that say what age they are and if they are in highschool, look at the setting and see if there is a school in it(if it's set with samurais then there probably won't be a highschool). Check reviews. Make a recommendation thread for anime with the characters out of highschool, it is actually quite easy. To start you off here's a small list I made of anime with mostly adult characters that I made for the 18+ club. You make a recommendation thread and I will go through all 1,200 anime I've watched and provide you with a list of every one not set in a highschool, that should be able to hold you off for months.Well if it would be that easy, I would but you cant filter stuff like this, so its a luck game... ZappaBappa said: Except it's not a problem.That there is the problem. ZappaBappa said: Then you misunderstood what I was talking about. Yes a good number of shows are made about highschool, which fits who they are aiming at. But anime come out each season that aren't in the highschool setting and they build up each year, when I said look for older anime, I meant older than this season, not 80s. You probably don't watch every non highschool anime each year so there should be a lot. Older anime will always have more of what you want, why? Because it's been building up since the 60s or whatever(actually I've watched anime from the 1910s, I saw no highschools). You don't know exactly how many anime out of each season in the past had highschool anime. I've already counted about 11 of the shows that I am watching this season that don't take place in highschool(if someone goes through the rest that I don't know about, they could find more), that's about out of the 45 that are airing this season. About 11 a season, times 4 for one year, equals 44 anime each year without a highschool setting, that builds up and you haven't watched all of those.The only place to find the anime i've been looking for is Older anime, and a very few newer shows. ZappaBappa said: No, they really aren't. So what's your point? Just pointing out how they are not popular and don't make, I don't see why that means there's too much high school anime. What it says is that people aren't interested in non highschool anime then.Modern shows are about Highschool WAY too much. And it's only because thats the biggest market for merchandise. Take a look, for example at Psycho pass's merchandise. Its close to nonexistant. The only PVC figures you'l find are Chibis. As soon as an anime isn't about Flashy females, you can see that there are barely any figurines, or stuff to buy from it. Bakuman, Space Brothers, Tiger and bunny had some, but that never went far. Most modern shows are designed for the purpose of banking in more on the Merchandise. ZappaBappa said: I know, fuck me right? A company trying to make money, what's next cows mooing, the sun rising and falling each day, you whining about highschool anime, I just idk. People enjoy them and don't see them as the same like you do or don't mind it so I don't see a problem. It can happen with any type of anime.Thats what i find wrong with modern anime. They reuse the same setting over and over again, they reuse the same shitty designs over and over again, they use the EXACT identical personalities Over and over again. And its always about the cute young females who appear to be much older than they look. ZappaBappa said: I hope you have some proof about that 80% thing.80% of Most modern anime are just marketing tools to sell half naked PVC figures for the masses of Otaku's in japan. Thats what sells, thats where anime stays, until it loses its popularity. Which i doubt will happen anytime soon. |
IntroverTurtleOct 10, 2013 11:42 AM
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| @IntroverTurtle I'll just put it like this since quoting all that will give me a headache I already posted a response towards Rins. But like i said there. if it's not about highschool, and has its own original setting. Its yet again about young girls who apparently, again have something interesting we haven't "yet" heard. And luckily cows do Moo, or else i'd be living in the wrong country. Sun does rise here too, so that surprises me every morning. But it's kind of like music artists going mainstream. They abandon a big chunk of their old Fans, who played a huge part into getting anime where it is today (Not us EU and US people ofcourse, we dont contribute anything) But i'm sure Many japanese who watched anime back in those days who grew up with the old Mature, +20 MC character animes from the 80's 90's early 00's Or the younger ones, like Muyo, yet still more mature than anything coming out today. Back then anime felt more like there was something for everyone. While we still have that today except now its only a few mature series containing mature looking characters. It seems that anime has just been devided into a genre of Prioritized Girl Animes, and a few who try to do the same stuff the old animes did. I guess i'm just a nagging guy who really really really misses Mature shows with proper aged Main Characters, and seeing how every season, those shows become more vaguer and vaguer, it just makes me sad i guess, because there's barely anything that could give me that same old experience i had when i first watched outlaw star, bebop, black lagoon, trigun, GTO, Shonan junai, etc etc. Characters simply have changed way too much. They dont represent their ages anymore, they represent "cute" Well i guess the 80% was a bit biased, but as a frequent visitor of Sankaku, you do happen to run into undressable figurines of almost every new show that comes out these days. eh. |
ZappaBappa said: IntroverTurtle said: It sounds like you need to search older anime if it's really a problem. Whining about something you think is overused online, while they are making money showing that fans don't care about it, isn't really helping anything. Besides anime isn't aimed at you. That there is the problem. The only place to find the anime i've been looking for is Older anime, and a very few newer shows. Modern shows are about Highschool WAY too much. And it's only because thats the biggest market for merchandise. Take a look, for example at Psycho pass's merchandise. Its close to nonexistant. The only PVC figures you'l find are Chibis. As soon as an anime isn't about Flashy females, you can see that there are barely any figurines, or stuff to buy from it. Bakuman, Space Brothers, Tiger and bunny had some, but that never went far. Most modern shows are designed for the purpose of banking in more on the Merchandise. Thats what i find wrong with modern anime. They reuse the same setting over and over again, they reuse the same shitty designs over and over again, they use the EXACT identical personalities Over and over again. And its always about the cute young females who appear to be much older than they look. 80% of Most modern anime are just marketing tools to sell half naked PVC figures for the masses of Otaku's in japan. Thats what sells, thats where anime stays, until it loses its popularity. Which i doubt will happen anytime soon. ErwinJA said: Ender's game is about a kid. It always has been, and there is a very good reason for it in the original story, so picking on it for that is like complaining that Harry Potter movies focus too much on school. You're free to be biased, but to suggest it's just "throwing kids in" without checking whether there's a valid reason makes for a pathetic argument. The only question is how faithfully the movie will follow (probably not so well: they'll probably play down some of the nastier school and bullying stuff and play up the fleet battles). Ah, i see. Well i haven't read the book yet. But the trailer didn't do a good job on giving a serious feel to it. It makes it look like a Disney movie, where killing only happens offscreen. Also gonna check out Black Heaven. Surprised i never saw that one before. Looks interesting. The thing is that the problem is hardly limited to anime. There's a natural trend of gravitating toward something that's been proven to work - it's where clichés come from after all. Such things get worse in times of economic strife because companies get more risk-averse, which obviously precludes them from much experimentation. You can also see this in Hollywood blockbusters. In fact, it's even more pronounced there - I caught an article that noted screenwriters were basically getting lazy. They've been using a carefully designed plot formula, with over a dozen specific points done hit in a specific order. It's been working, but it also means that we're basically just getting the same film, over and over, all through the summer. Every summer. And it's really annoying the truly great filmmakers like Steven Spielberg. The reason that one has to go back to older anime to find many of these ones with almost entirely mature casts is that it was in the late '90s and early '00s that the industry was booming and they could afford to experiment more and target other niche groups. We still get a few every year, but as you note, the simple nature of the industry makes it much harder for them to make a profit, and near impossible for them to beat out fanservice show A or moe show B in profitability. It won't change unless the dynamic does. And we who do not live in Japan and spend much of our income on anime products simply don't have that level of power at this point. There are ways it could be done, but they're not logistically feasible. As for Ender's Game, I hated the trailer because there are only two possibilities: 1) They're tossing the book aside to make a generic blockbuster, as mentioned above. 2) They're grossly misrepresenting the film to make it look like a generic blockbuster. The actual story is about a bullied kid's growth from outcast child to star cadet to "war hero," as he is carefully molded and prodded to be what the military wants. One of the most important points is how he is not truly mature until after the war ends. In the book, the fleet battles barely merit any description - you see several times as much combat in Heinlein's Starship Troopers, another absolutely amazing book about a soldier's path rich with historical and social commentary that just ended up being turned into a generic action flick. |
IntroverTurtle said: baki502 said: What, are you unable to read or something like that? Look at synopsis', main characters's bios that say what age they are and if they are in highschool, look at the setting and see if there is a school in it(if it's set with samurais then there probably won't be a highschool). Check reviews. Make a recommendation thread for anime with the characters out of highschool, it is actually quite easy. To start you off here's a small list I made of anime with mostly adult characters that I made for the 18+ club. You make a recommendation thread and I will go through all 1,200 anime I've watched and provide you with a list of every one not set in a highschool, that should be able to hold you off for months.Well if it would be that easy, I would but you cant filter stuff like this, so its a luck game... Well it is a pain in the ass to look at each anime individually and search for the ones with mature characters, but thank you for that list that did show me a few new shows. Altough you do have a few in that list that are not 18+ of age first is Bakuman with the 2 Mains being 14. Nevertheless I am very gratefull for that list. |
| @ErwinJA Sad but true. Mainstream dominates in times like these, what sells is what becomes standard. And you can clearly see this in Modern anime. Anime merchandise is a Blooming industry, most likely even bigger than the animes itself, so plenty of studios do this exact same Rinse and Repeat thing with new Shows, and their Merchandise. There's just barely any believability in so many of the characters from Modern Animes, they could have a depressing past, yet they would be the cutest thing within a 20 mile radius, and look as if they're the happiest things in the world. There is a huge potential in shows like Cowboy bebop, but i guess the risk is too high to take because studios simply want to profit. I guess saying "its wrong" is a bit harsh since they're just trying to make it through, but it doesn't make it any less sad to see such a great genre to be washed away like that. |
CaptainMahoganyOct 10, 2013 12:10 PM
ZappaBappa said: As long as you address everything and it's not all mixed up I don't really care.@IntroverTurtle I'll just put it like this since quoting all that will give me a headache ZappaBappa said: Then don't' mention highschool and I won't focus on that. Non original settings are common in any medium, not just anime. You're actually better off in anime because so much of it comes out each year and there's so much in the past.I already posted a response towards Rins. But like i said there. if it's not about highschool, and has its own original setting. Its yet again about young girls who apparently, again have something interesting we haven't "yet" heard. ZappaBappa said: You might be looking at it the wrong way. Maybe they didn't abandon the old fans, but because of the economy(which is affecting manga and anime alike) there are less people and old fans wanting to watch those "old or mature" anime and anime in general.(which about the anime and manga sales dropping because of the economy is true). In that case anime will do what it needs to survive or else you'll never get your shows, and if you're not contributing to help, it's better to just suck it up and find anime you do like instead of whining about those you don't.And luckily cows do Moo, or else i'd be living in the wrong country. Sun does rise here too, so that surprises me every morning. But it's kind of like music artists going mainstream. They abandon a big chunk of their old Fans, who played a huge part into getting anime where it is today (Not us EU and US people ofcourse, we dont contribute anything) But i'm sure Many japanese who watched anime back in those days who grew up with the old Mature, +20 MC character animes from the 80's 90's early 00's Or the younger ones, like Muyo, yet still more mature than anything coming out today. Back then anime felt more like there was something for everyone. While we still have that today except now its only a few mature series containing mature looking characters. It seems that anime has just been devided into a genre of Prioritized Girl Animes, and a few who try to do the same stuff the old animes did. I guess i'm just a nagging guy who really really really misses Mature shows with proper aged Main Characters, and seeing how every season, those shows become more vaguer and vaguer, it just makes me sad i guess, because there's barely anything that could give me that same old experience i had when i first watched outlaw star, bebop, black lagoon, trigun, GTO, Shonan junai, etc etc. And like I said earlier, you need some proof to back up what you say about there being a steady amount of anime for all people back in the day, more mature anime, or whatever, because I don't necessarily believe that and until then all we can do is go back and forth with our agrees and disagrees. It's useless debating the whole medium when none of us have watched every single anime as they were airing or done enough research. And remember, by season or year, because a lot of "mature" anime have built up in the past. I don't want you crossing decades just listing off titles. Proper aged sounds ridiculousl, there is no such thing as the proper age. Yeah for some reason new anime aren't giving you the same feelings from when you were a kid watching anime in your childhood(or teenhood, whatever), that must suck, or maybe you've grown up and are feeling nostalgia. ZappaBappa said: Sounds more like nostalgia.Characters simply have changed way too much. They dont represent their ages anymore, they represent "cute" Well i guess the 80% was a bit biased, but as a frequent visitor of Sankaku, you do happen to run into undressable figurines of almost every new show that comes out these days. eh. I've been going there for like everyday for 7 years and I've never felt the same way. baki502 said: You can generally tell from the cover art their ages, it takes work to see if you'll enjoy any anime. No problem. Well when I put down Bakuman, I meant the entire series. They are 14 for a time, but the story mostly takes place while they're highschool age and above(didn't take place much in the highschool setting). Like I said, if I had time I could make a better fitting list.Well it is a pain in the ass to look at each anime individually and search for the ones with mature characters, but thank you for that list that did show me a few new shows. Altough you do have a few in that list that are not 18+ of age first is Bakuman with the 2 Mains being 14. Nevertheless I am very gratefull for that list. |
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| Why is that most of the time people who complain about anime not catering to them, are the same people who don't buy any of the Japanese merch/BD's? Whats the point of catering to a group of people who are only a small part of the profits? Its also laughable that some people seem to think that anime used to be more mature, when that clearly is not the case. Do your research before you open your mouth. |
rederoin said: Why is that most of the time people who complain about anime not catering to them, are the same people who don't buy any of the Japanese merch/BD's? Whats the point of catering to a group of people who are only a small part of the profits? Its also laughable that some people seem to think that anime used to be more mature, when that clearly is not the case. Do your research before you open your mouth. I have this feeling that anime wasnt more mature earlier but that its only that we only notice the good stuff that had remained popular over the years and is viewed as really good anime (which often are mature anime). At least I noticed that as soon as I started following airing anime is about the same time I started complaining about the direction of anime. I guess all the "shit" or average anime just went unnoticed before. So I think that is one of the main reason people think anime was better back in the day, cause only the good stuff reached and reaches us. But I sometimes landed in some stragne remote corner of MAL where some really old anime pop up and god are those awful. Still have a slight feeling that they did make a bit more mature anime and had a bit more variety, but I cant say for sure since I didnt follow airing anime back then. |
baki502 said: That's probably pretty true. Most people consider old as 70s - 2000. Mostly the good or the so bad they are funny anime are remembered. Whenever people mention good old anime they aren't mentioning anime only from one year like when they talk about how bad this year's anime is. They are going across decades, 70s there, 80s there, 90s there and comparing all of that to this year's anime and calling it crap. Which the classics are usually made classics because they stand through time, new anime haven't had the chance to do that. Most old watchers won't recognize more than half the old anime that came out, it's not what was shown on tv in other countries so they wouldn't know.rederoin said: Why is that most of the time people who complain about anime not catering to them, are the same people who don't buy any of the Japanese merch/BD's? Whats the point of catering to a group of people who are only a small part of the profits? Its also laughable that some people seem to think that anime used to be more mature, when that clearly is not the case. Do your research before you open your mouth. I have this feeling that anime wasnt more mature earlier but that its only that we only notice the good stuff that had remained popular over the years and is viewed as really good anime (which often are mature anime). At least I noticed that as soon as I started following airing anime is about the same time I started complaining about the direction of anime. I guess all the "shit" or average anime just went unnoticed before. So I think that is one of the main reason people think anime was better back in the day, cause only the good stuff reached and reaches us. But I sometimes landed in some stragne remote corner of MAL where some really old anime pop up and god are those awful. Still have a slight feeling that they did make a bit more mature anime and had a bit more variety, but I cant say for sure since I didnt follow airing anime back then. |
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| Little girl assassins? |
Aerea said: They could go into small places easily and they can put people off guard with their looks. It's genius not silly.Little girl assassins? |
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IntroverTurtle said: Aerea said: They could go into small places easily and they can put people off guard with their looks. It's genius not silly.Little girl assassins? Are you serious? |
IntroverTurtle said: Aerea said: They could go into small places easily and they can put people off guard with their looks. It's genius not silly.Little girl assassins? Honestly its kind of weird logic but you have a point. Loli warriors on the other hand... |
-Atomsk- said: About half or so. Most anime aren't that realistic and depending on the world that can be an good reason. Debating about silly things in anime is silly since how most anime are started is silly.Are you serious? baki502 said: If they are loli dwarve warriers then they can be pretty strong. Regular lolis not that much, but they always have the kick in the balls attack, that's always been strong in every anime.Honestly its kind of weird logic but you have a point. Loli warriors on the other hand... |
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Aerea said: Little girl assassins? Well, judging from your list, you should have known better. If it has a good reasoning like Gunslinger Girl then its quite justified, given the circumstances. Now on the other hand, we have the bludgeoning angel Dokuro-chan who's thrown out there just for laugh. |
| The most important things in life is the people that you care about |
| We had a local store which sold Manga and Anime in VHS and DVD format early 2001/2 ish Thats pretty much when i got into anime. I had seen One Piece before when i went to japan in 2000, and got interested in it, but it took me a while to find out what it exactly was until i ran into english translated dvd's But they were sort of the first kind of Fansubs available here i guess. They were cheap burned/printed out simple dvd's. After i found that one, i pretty much just got ahold of show after show. They never really aired any anime besides Dragonball Z on tv here, and sadly after a while they ditched the english dub for a dutch one, which was so horrendous i wanted to hang myself. Currently have a collection of about 30+ Boxsets. But ever since the internet introduced anime streaming to the world, the idea of buying anime has become a bit of a lost dream.. Plus I'm used to watching anime with English subs, not Dutch.. Dutch subs are awfull But yeah, i guess it is Nostalgia, but its also that i don't find the current art style to be any appealing at all, good story or not. I'm used to characters looking more like their age, and it gives a better impression on the story thats being told most of the time for me, so +08 animes have been pretty much going downhill in my eyes, since the art style has pretty much taken over the majority of studios out there. Its currently what's mainstream, and it'll stick for a long time sadly. I just hope the next time Art Styles start changing, we wont be looking at toddlers that are supposedly 21 years old. baki502 said: Still have a slight feeling that they did make a bit more mature anime and had a bit more variety, but I cant say for sure since I didnt follow airing anime back then. I guess this was more because characters looked more mature. it gave a better impression, and felt more relatable.. Almost like they felt more Human than modern Anime characters |
CaptainMahoganyOct 10, 2013 6:10 PM
miereneronaile said: 9tailjeza said: in the world god only knows, they said at first that loose souls possess girls so they can be reborn as their children, but this is almost ignored later on. but it does set up for the rest of the show despite being a crappy premise. mahou shoujo madoka claims that only teenage girls are harvested because they are the most emotionally unstable... which i probably agree with to an extent. If you agree with it why even bother mentioning it here 0o? to an extent, i agree that teenage girls are less emotionally stable than others... but surely not to the point where they should be targeted exclusively. |
| i don't know everything i just know what i know... |
| If the teenage girls being girls are somehow applicable to the plot, like TWGOK, then why complain? Most contrived is shows like Death Note. I'm pretty sure the creator said Misa was there only because he wanted a cute character. Misa could have easily been a nonridiculous competent regular female. |
| "you think you're bad, don't cha?" Evangelion is "a commentary on human nature and Japanese culture, particularly otaku and hikikomori, couched in a metaphysical allegory within a Science Fiction background." |
TheProxy said: This sums up my feelings in this matter.If the teenage girls being girls are somehow applicable to the plot then why complain? If you think there are too many shows with teenage girls in them, well that's an entirely different discussion. |
aerostatOct 11, 2013 7:32 PM
Makomonogatari said: lupadim said: The best part is that you somehow actually exist.And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong |
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