AndyRayy said: IZUMI64 said: lolKyoAni using FREE for increasing their income so they can make another moe for male viewers. (chuunibyou and more importantly Tamako, who gonna expect they're going to make Tamako again) basically, in the future, just maybe... They gonna make FREE s2 if they need another money booster... that's my conclusion after read Tamako new project announcement. any kind of moe (Bishie is moe for fujoshi) related will sell! at least gonna bring profit for the studio. People who think like this are what's wrong with the western community nowadays.The quote in your sig is also very fitting for this discussion. |
AndyRayy said: People who think like this are what's wrong with the western community nowadays. The sad part is that most of our community members believe that crap, if an anime has fanarts that came from or cater to a certain fandom, then the actual anime must be targeted at that specific fandom too, is the mindset of these people, and the reason why everyone suddenly assumes that this show is for female fans or fujoshi or W/e (i had to sit down and figure out why on the earth do some people consider Tiger&bunny and fujoshi show, then i realized what i just told you now), while in reality the casual viewiers and the male viewers had just as much impact on the sales as any other consumer. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: I really don't want to become a part of your incessant ranting about how KyoAni is some invincible studio to some people that only receives incessant support from fans and whatnot since you have some obvious vendetta with the studio or something, but please take a look at the sales charts that some of our fellow MAL users so graciously provide over on Mania and you will see that a large portion of shows that most would describe as "moe" or "bishie" have sold terribly throughout recent times. People that deny that there's any hint of truth to that statement and tell people who's opinions they don't like to get out are far worse for the Western community nowadays. Yes, a lot of hits are moe/bishie, but when you actually look at the data, you can easily see that the vast majority of them (or at least, way more than people make it out to be) don't even so much as break even, let alone make some kind of meaningful profit. And to clarify, I'm speaking to the factually incorrect idea that any moe/bishie will sell well. Kiru_im_Ufo said: Again, I'm not saying that what you're saying isn't true, but to say that every moe/bishie show sells 10,000+ copies (or makes a profit/breaks even or whatever) and tops the charts is kind of ignoring the actual data. AndyRayy said: People who think like this are what's wrong with the western community nowadays. It's pretty much true though. You'll have a hard time finding series aimed directly at fujoshi not selling much. Not everything sells as well, but Kyo Ani has its high animation standard and the like, so it's not too unexpected. A sure sign of female fans being part of the group is an unusually large amount of dvds sold. No idea if this show has male fans as well. Might be, given that it's from Kyo Ani and some probably tried it out. Or something. It's also why these types of shows become more and more available. There's comparatively little risk involved. You tend to break even rather easily and that's important with any investment. Also, from what symbv and jmal have said over the weeks in the news threads, it would seem that male fans of Free! are accounting for a much larger portion of sales than people are making it out to be, unlike something like UtaPri (I'd assume). rederoin said: It's all thanks to you~The quote in your sig is also very fitting for this discussion. |
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Downgrade355 said: AndyRayy said: People who think like this are what's wrong with the western community nowadays. The sad part is that most of our community members believe that crap, if an anime has fanarts that came from or cater to a certain fandom, then the actual anime must be targeted at that specific fandom too, is the mindset of these people, and the reason why everyone suddenly assumes that this show is for female fans or fujoshi or W/e (i had to sit down and figure out why on the earth do some people consider Tiger&bunny and fujoshi show, then i realized what i just told you now), while in reality the casual viewiers and the male viewers had just as much impact on the sales as any other consumer. What I don't understand is why does it bloody well matter who bought what at the end of the day or whether you're a male or female fan. What ought to matter is whether people enjoyed it or didn't and that people should be at least somewhat tolerant of other peoples positions (barring of course overt douchebaggery) and I can't even believe I'm having to suggest this....genders. Honestly if people weren't always so over the top, possessive, presumptuous and exaggerated when it comes to reactions to Kyoani anime I probably wouldn't have to be either. It's downright toxic really and its silly that the message and tone had to get so muddled over Free such that it now somehow becomes seen as some sort of savior or harbinger for female fans interests because it happened to be a big seller and people can find another thing to praise Kyoani for that really ought not to be a factor at all here but for the Western fandoms misogyny problem. As for Tiger and Bunny I don't know, I was just told that it was popular because it was a fujoshi show and that apparently I'm supposed to somehow feel bad about enjoying it for this reason despite the fact that's not at all the reason I enjoyed the show so much as the interesting buddy comedy/bromance dynamic and a new spin on the old concept of superheroes. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: To me it's better than letting people like you completely throw their weight around, try to control the message, and try to shut down any opinion they feel shouldn't be allowed to be presented in these threads or are wrong by default. The statement I was replying to was "any moe sells", that's just factually untrue and it's not a matter of opinion, there's enough examples of "moe shows" (I hate that term but since there's nothing better I'll have to stick with it) that didn't sell to prove that that statement is false. However that statement is completely different from the one you're making which is (if I understood correctly,feel free to correct if you think I missunderstood you) that there's shows you found to have great scriptwriting/direction that were outsold by shows you felt were mediocre but had moe elemets. That's a perfectly reasonable statement Kaioshin_Sama said: As for Tiger and Bunny I don't know, I was just told that it was popular because it was a fujoshi show and that apparently I'm supposed to somehow feel bad about enjoying it for this reason despite the fact that's not at all the reason I enjoyed the show so much as the interesting buddy comedy/bromance dynamic and a new spin on the old concept of superheroes. Where were you told this? |
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jmal said: Uh, why would you have a hard time? What shows are you defining as aimed at fujoshi anyway, and are you using fujoshi precisely or just lumping "everything aimed at women" into the label? There's more to female otaku than fujoshi. Women have varied tastes and want different things from shows just like men. They're not some BL-only hivemind. That's like saying only yuri fans like K-ON! or Nanoha, which I hope is as clearly absurd to you as it is to me. If people had this same mindset, these forums would have been a much better place. Kaioshin_Sama said: What I don't understand is why does it bloody well matter who bought what at the end of the day or whether you're a male or female fan. What ought to matter is whether people enjoyed it or didn't and that people should be at least somewhat tolerant of other peoples positions (barring of course overt douchebaggery) and I can't even believe I'm having to suggest this....genders. Honestly if people weren't always so over the top, possessive, presumptuous and exaggerated when it comes to reactions to Kyoani anime I probably wouldn't have to be either. It's downright toxic really and its silly that the message and tone had to get so muddled over Free such that it now somehow becomes seen as some sort of savior or harbinger for female fans interests because it happened to be a big seller and people can find another thing to praise Kyoani for that really ought not to be a factor at all here but for the Western fandoms misogyny problem. As for Tiger and Bunny I don't know, I was just told that it was popular because it was a fujoshi show and that apparently I'm supposed to somehow feel bad about enjoying it for this reason despite the fact that's not at all the reason I enjoyed the show so much as the interesting buddy comedy/bromance dynamic and a new spin on the old concept of superheroes. honestly it doesn't matter at all, not even a bit, people watched the show, bought the BD's and DVD's, what's done is done. And no, Tiger and bunny was nowhere near being a fujoshi show and anyone with common sense can tell you that, as i mentioned in my post earlier, when people see fujoshi-related Fanarts being made for an anime, they immediately assume that anime is a fujoshi show, kinda angers me how ignorant some people are, or maybe they like to troll to see the forums in shitfest. right now there are people also assuming that Shingeki no Kyojin is a fujoshi show...soon you'll find harem (male-oriented harems, not otome ones) animes with nicely designed male characters labeled as that because apparently there are female viewers and fujoshi who're interested in it. |
IZUMI64 said: I hate FREE but seriously who think this anime won't sell definitely a noob. any kind of moe (Bishie is moe for fujoshi) related will sell! at least gonna bring profit for the studio. KyoAni using FREE for increasing their income so they can make another moe for male viewers. (chuunibyou and more importantly Tamako, who gonna expect they're going to make Tamako again) basically, in the future, just maybe... They gonna make FREE s2 if they need another money booster... that's my conclusion after read Tamako new project announcement. This made my bad day. Thanks for the laughs. I'm so proud of Free! and KyoAni :3 Good job you proved them wrong. |
LaciieSep 17, 2013 1:03 PM
totoum said: Kaioshin_Sama said: To me it's better than letting people like you completely throw their weight around, try to control the message, and try to shut down any opinion they feel shouldn't be allowed to be presented in these threads or are wrong by default. The statement I was replying to was "any moe sells", that's just factually untrue and it's not a matter of opinion, there's enough examples of "moe shows" (I hate that term but since there's nothing better I'll have to stick with it) that didn't sell to prove that that statement is false. However that statement is completely different from the one you're making which is (if I understood correctly,feel free to correct if you think I missunderstood you) that there's shows you found to have great scriptwriting/direction that were outsold by shows you felt were mediocre but had moe elemets. That's a perfectly reasonable statement Kaioshin_Sama said: As for Tiger and Bunny I don't know, I was just told that it was popular because it was a fujoshi show and that apparently I'm supposed to somehow feel bad about enjoying it for this reason despite the fact that's not at all the reason I enjoyed the show so much as the interesting buddy comedy/bromance dynamic and a new spin on the old concept of superheroes. Where were you told this? Thankfully someone gets it. Yeah when people claim that Free did well because its well written or whatever if I were to accept that in a hypothetical scenario then how does that explain the likes of other shows with critical acclaim around these parts that didn't move that many copies. There must be some other factor. People like Jmal would probably be quick to counter that what Western fans think doesn't matter so the very basis of this point is false but at least you seem to understand where I'm coming from and while I agree that not all heavily moe/fujoshi themed anime does exceptionally well I think its definitely all but a must have factor if you even want the current buying audiencd in Japan to evenconsider purchasing your product. Its practically a necessary starting point for getting peoples attention and praises now it would seem. As for T&B some people that are obsessed with tracking sales over on Animesuki and various blogs insisted that without fujoshi it bombs when I pointed out that a show with a 30 something mc got people to buy it in an area where nobosy let alone the producers themselves who were very nervous to even give it the greenlight thought it possible. |
byul said: So happy for Free! Well, they say money can't buy happiness... OH! You're talking about the series... Never mind... LOL! mistress_kisara said: Yes! Yes! Amazing sales for Free! I keep seeing things about Free and my brain misinterprets them at first every time! |
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IZUMI64 said: I hate FREE but seriously who think this anime won't sell definitely a noob. any kind of moe (Bishie is moe for fujoshi) related will sell! at least gonna bring profit for the studio. KyoAni using FREE for increasing their income so they can make another moe for male viewers. (chuunibyou and more importantly Tamako, who gonna expect they're going to make Tamako again) basically, in the future, just maybe... They gonna make FREE s2 if they need another money booster... that's my conclusion after read Tamako new project announcement. Heh. This made me laugh. |
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Kaioshin_Sama said: As for T&B some people that are obsessed with tracking sales over on Animesuki and various blogs insisted that without fujoshi it bombs when I pointed out that a show with a 30 something mc got people to buy it in an area where nobosy let alone the producers themselves who were very nervous to even give it the greenlight thought it possible. What? there is no proof whatsoever that fujoshi were even quarter the consumers of T&B, japan doesn't give out data or whatever of genders of fandoms who purchase products, there are only numbers, and these people you speak of, like i said before many times, are making assumptions based on the fanarts, that's what western fans do and that's why they'll stay ignorant until they fix this mindset T&B's consumers are mostly the superhero genre fans and just casual viewers, granted there is fujoshi buyers, but to say it'll bomb if the fujoshi didn't buy it is just plain ignorance. |
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| oooo Hatarakou Maou-sama! barely made it :/ hopefully it sells more cuz i really want a second series ...hah |
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| Extremely pleased with those sales for Free! It exceeded my expectations. |
| Dragon Ball RULES!! Good to see Free! Selling well. |
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Laciie said: IZUMI64 said: I hate FREE but seriously who think this anime won't sell definitely a noob. any kind of moe (Bishie is moe for fujoshi) related will sell! at least gonna bring profit for the studio. KyoAni using FREE for increasing their income so they can make another moe for male viewers. (chuunibyou and more importantly Tamako, who gonna expect they're going to make Tamako again) basically, in the future, just maybe... They gonna make FREE s2 if they need another money booster... that's my conclusion after read Tamako new project announcement. This made my bad day. Thanks for the laughs. I'm so proud of Free! and KyoAni :3 Good job you proved them wrong. proved who wrong and how? Downgrade355 said: Kaioshin_Sama said: As for T&B some people that are obsessed with tracking sales over on Animesuki and various blogs insisted that without fujoshi it bombs when I pointed out that a show with a 30 something mc got people to buy it in an area where nobosy let alone the producers themselves who were very nervous to even give it the greenlight thought it possible. What? there is no proof whatsoever that fujoshi were even quarter the consumers of T&B, japan doesn't give out data or whatever of genders of fandoms who purchase products, there are only numbers, and these people you speak of, like i said before many times, are making assumptions based on the fanarts, that's what western fans do and that's why they'll stay ignorant until they fix this mindset T&B's consumers are mostly the superhero genre fans and just casual viewers, granted there is fujoshi buyers, but to say it'll bomb if the fujoshi didn't buy it is just plain ignorance. You won't hear many arguments on any of those points from me. |
| Free! right under DBZ? never expected LOL. MANLY anime for REAL MEN, eh? Ghilbi hitting top again. :P |
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| Anyway, just to distract momentarily from Free Celebration.html since this is a general sales thread and so I can encourage chatter about literally anything else for a moment (even I'm surprised at just how much it's dominated the conversation in spite of how much I know people love to celebrate the ever loving crap out of anything with the Kyoani label enjoying any sort of success) before I become completely nauseous, does anyone have some insight on Shingeki's sudden ranking spike on Amazon? |
PeacingOutSep 17, 2013 8:49 PM
Kaioshin_Sama said: Laciie said: This made my bad day. Thanks for the laughs. I'm so proud of Free! and KyoAni :3 Good job you proved them wrong. proved who wrong and how? People who thought Free! would flop due to moefan backlash/outrage? Kaioshin_Sama said: does anyone have some insight on Shingeki's sudden ranking spike on Amazon? symbv said: LOL Once the extra content of the visual novel is revealed to be the past of Levi and Erwin, the ranking of v3 jumped from #6 to #1 and v6 from around #50 to #20 !! http://i.imgur.com/p3unLUJ.jpg Erwin: Do you intend to kill me, Levi? Levi: Yeah, that was the only reason I joined the Survey Corps Levi: Just to kill you, Erwin. This is enough to make any SnK fan go nuts with curiosity, |
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VioLink said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Laciie said: This made my bad day. Thanks for the laughs. I'm so proud of Free! and KyoAni :3 Good job you proved them wrong. proved who wrong and how? People who thought Free! would flop due to moefan backlash/outrage? Kaioshin_Sama said: does anyone have some insight on Shingeki's sudden ranking spike on Amazon? symbv said: LOL Once the extra content of the visual novel is revealed to be the past of Levi and Erwin, the ranking of v3 jumped from #6 to #1 and v6 from around #50 to #20 !! http://i.imgur.com/p3unLUJ.jpg Erwin: Do you intend to kill me, Levi? Levi: Yeah, that was the only reason I joined the Survey Corps Levi: Just to kill you, Erwin. This is enough to make any SnK fan go nuts with curiosity, That almost seems to easy and yet I totally get why it works. Levi was a bit a late arrival to the series but it almost seems like he's stolen the de facto title of breakout character from even the likes of Mikasa. |
Kaoshin_Sama said: If this is really your intention, then your use of sarcasm and your ranting style could only prevent this from taking place. Think about that. It's part of a time old process called debate and discussion. *shrug* Kaoshin_Sama said: I don't really see that it should be an expectation per se for having a female character not being airhead. I think the question is how this character plays in terms of balancing out the widely diverging needs for different demography among the watchers. KuroBas also has a female character who is not an airhead, but why she does not function as much in making KuroBas appealing to male audience? This is something for observers like us to chew on. Does it indicate something that KyoAni has done better in terms of using this female character? If so, should KyoAni deserve some praise? I would say so. I really don't see creating a female lead that's not a total airhead as an achievement so much as an expectation, though maybe this is different where Kyoani shows are concerned since many of their female leads tend to fall into that category ever since K-On. Praise praise praise though lol..... The important thing is again, it is not about how YOU feel about the series, but how the series work for other people. You, or a bunch of other people here in this thread, may not care much about this character or even the series itself, but this is not the key thing. The key thing, when it comes to interpret the sales result, is how the many fans in Japan feel and think about the series, and one of my observations is that this female character has played some important role in making this series appealing to the male audience, and it is not just because she is a female or she has some moe appeal (but not so much that it repels the female audience) but also she is indeed a good character by itself. Downgrade355 said: One big thing that is very different from KuroBas and UtaPrince that I observed for this anime is how many male watchers there are out there and how many of them actually confessed to have misjudged the show, and that includes many who were skeptical of KyoAni's intention (they could be KyoAni lover or skeptic alike). And this is something I never see for KuroBas and UtaPrince, which seem to be watched almost entirely by female fans (at least they seem to be talked about only among the female fans as far as internet blogs/forums are concerned). @symbv Yup, i can vouch for that, it seems many male viewers and kyoani fans actually liked free! (which definitely had a role in the sales), while most appreciated Gou, from what i read, the story wasn't bad either and it wasn't that BL-ish or Bishie-ish, (they made it kinda clear that the characters were "straight" too, so throw in some shoujo shipping fans) which in turn makes it tolerable and watchable, it also has a nice story, so in the end it managed to attract regular female anime fans, BL fans, and male fans. How much do you think it'll average symbv? i Think around 18-20k. I think the average can easily top 20k since sales are usually quite consistent for KyoAni works. My guess is it will be 20-25k for series average. |
koleareSep 24, 2013 6:48 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| @symbv Yup, i agree, and while i don't really believe in fanarts, the fact that Free! has significantly less fujoshi-oriented fanarts than KnB kinda reassures us that it's actually a "neutral" anime (if that's the correct term), not to mention KyoAni does have a solid and loyal fanbase after all, and the staff did mention once that they're not going to let the female fangirl director do all she pleases with the show (she has kind of a...negative reputation from a few Hyouka episodes lolz), it's not a bad show and it's not what people make it out to be, if it was as BL-fanservicey or as brainless fujoshi catering as people claim it to be (apparenyl after watching only one episode), i'm sure it wouldn't have sold the numbers it sold, people need to chill. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: Well, late arrival of a character favored by BL fans that managed to steal a show is not new. Evangelion is the classic example, and it is a much more extreme example given how late the character appeared in the show.That almost seems to easy and yet I totally get why it works. Levi was a bit a late arrival to the series but it almost seems like he's stolen the de facto title of breakout character from even the likes of Mikasa. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Levi is actually favored by all fandoms, very decent character and shows alot of good qualities of the male characters in anime as opposed to the shitty ones that we get often who're braindead, has weird fetishes, needs some sort of stupid special event to happen to trigger his superpowers, and only occasionally acts like an actual man. Levi's a popular character because he's just that awesome, people from different fandoms like him, he has good manly qualities and delivers something for the viewers (and not there as some kind of special bishie fanservice character because the series definitely doesn't make him out to be that way) and would definitely make the male viewers feel happy to identify themselves with him (Eren's a whimp, no one likes whimps). Not to mention all the Type-B otakus and viewers who're in it for the characters and character development. P,S evangelion was popular from the get-go. |
Downgrade355Sep 17, 2013 11:43 PM
Downgrade355 said: You call Shinji a wimp but Eren definitely not a wimp. He is so keen on taking actions that people have to stop him from doing so -- that is not a wimp's way. It is more that his impulsive and unthinking way can be so frustrating. In the official guide, intelligence rating for Eren is deemed to be low so that explains a lot about his behavior LOL(Eren's a whimp, no one likes whimps). |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| @symbv Bro, shinji is the root of whimps, he's the definition of whimp, i admit it, Eren does have some good qualities about him and does man up from time to time, but sometimes he just makes me facepalm so hard, i personally would have prefered Levi to be the main character, i don't understand this mentality the japanese anime industry has, making the best characters to be side characters and the crappy ones to be mains (especially in animes like SnK that target wider and mainstream audiences), not to offend any of the fans of course, but damn man, Levi being the protagonist would have made this show much better for me at least, and i'm sure the casual non-otaku viewers/readers (who're notably the majority of consumers) would be pleased with a better protagonist. anyways, you mentioning reminded me of some awful moments i had while watching the show LOL, like srsly, at one time i wished i had the powers to go into the show and beat the shit out of him and take his place. |
| Characters like Levi only needs a bit of time to shine so you don't really want to put him in a central position. The idea is that a less able person as the protagonist can get more story and development told. So I agree with the Japanese anime (and manga, mind you, as the decision of putting Eren as the main character is from the manga not the anime side of the world) industry here. And whether Shinji is root of wimps or not, the simple thing is that Eren cannot be called a wimp. A fool? Sure. A wimp? Not by miles. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Well yeah, when levi was introduced he was put in the show as the "superstar", if u know what i'm saying, he was already at the peak of his awesomeness, and honestly it wouldn't take much for him to be THAT awesome (i had a fangasm at ep 22, the female titan scene, you know which one), he's just that badass and because it's rare to find awesome male characters like him in anime makes him that much more popular and desirable by the fans of all fandoms. and well, i guess Eren is still a decent character, at least better than 80% of male protagonist in the past years, if they improve him just a little bit, he'll be an ideal protagonist without being too perfect and he'll still have his story and development. and yeah, i agree, he does some dumb stuff sometimes, but at least he got the guts, and shinji...well like i said, he's arguably the root of wimps (i keep spelling it whimp for some reason) but fortunately evangelione had a very well written story and decent characters that made up for the lack of a good protagonist, Asuka and Rei definitely made up more than half of the show. |
| Don't care about Free! at all. I dropped it somewhere around eppie 3, not because of the manservices, but because it's just another popcorn Kyoani show that lacks substance and depth, thus not into my liking symbv said: *1, 17,944 *17,944 Dragon Ball Z Movie 14: Kami to Kami - Limited Edition *3, *5,877 **5,877 Dragon Ball Z Movie 14: Kami to Kami - Regular Edition I wonder what's the difference between the two, content-wise? |
jmal said: Talq said: oooo Hatarakou Maou-sama! barely made it :/ hopefully it sells more cuz i really want a second series ...hah This is the second week, so it's still doing just fine. This volume topped 10k total, so that's three in a row. And the novels have increased a good bit so a sequel seems all but guaranteed. I'm very happy to hear this :3 |
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Amiluhur said: It already has more substance and depth than some other shows by KyoAni, or even a lot of the shows by other studios. As I said before seeking "substance and depth" in anime is a futile business. In fact I would say it is a superficial and elitist thing to do. I look for entertainment and I believe even for generic work it can shine if executed right, and I believe Free has reached above that line with ease.Don't care about Free! at all. I dropped it somewhere around eppie 3, not because of the manservices, but because it's just another popcorn Kyoani show that lacks substance and depth, thus not into my liking |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Really? Just few months ago there was a show called shinsekai yori and it had subtance and depth much enough for me to kept watching it till the end, and don't get me started with PP and R;N, and they're all anime. so i don't get what you mean by "futile" when it comes to seeking depth and subtance in anime. . . . Oh well, probably different type of depth compared to shows like Free! then |
Amiluhur said: Really? Just few months ago there was a show called shinsekai yori and it had subtance and depth much enough for me to kept watching it till the end, and don't get me started with PP and R;N, and they're all anime. so i don't get what you mean by "futile" when it comes to seeking depth and subtance in anime. . . . Oh well, probably different type of depth compared to shows like Free! then I think Free! is more toward character depth rather than story depth (I assume this is the depth you are looking for), but I'm not saying that Free! has no story depth. I think seeking "substance and depth" is not futile but sometimes people use this "substance and depth" term to attack other anime which they think doesn't have "substance and depth" which imo is too simplifying and thus it is an elitist thing to do |
| One thing i want to say; i didn't attack that show by any means. And for people who're going to accuse me as busybody for bothering to actually watch the show i'm going to dislike, it's my general rule to always give every shows on new season 3 eps before deciding to continue or drop it completely. Ack, forget my popcorn |
Kaioshin_Sama said: Thankfully someone gets it. Yeah when people claim that Free did well because its well written or whatever if I were to accept that in a hypothetical scenario then how does that explain the likes of other shows with critical acclaim around these parts that didn't move that many copies. There must be some other factor. People like Jmal would probably be quick to counter that what Western fans think doesn't matter so the very basis of this point is false but at least you seem to understand where I'm coming from and while I agree that not all heavily moe/fujoshi themed anime does exceptionally well I think its definitely all but a must have factor if you even want the current buying audiencd in Japan to evenconsider purchasing your product. Its practically a necessary starting point for getting peoples attention and praises now it would seem. Just want to start by making a remark on this statement: " while I agree that not all heavily moe/fujoshi themed anime does exceptionally well" While that's a nice discussion starter can we agree on this: " most heavily moe/fujoshi themed anime does exceptionally well" ?,It's a slight change in the sentence but makes a huge difference. Most shows don't sell exceptionally well period, so just by extention of that,most moe themed anime don't sell exceptionally well either. As for: "I think its definitely all but a must have factor if you even want the current buying audiencd in Japan to evenconsider purchasing your product. " I'd remove the "current" , having appealing ladies has always been a factor in trying to appeal to the Otaku market (which in the 80s and 90s was really the OVA market) ,the type of girls otakus like has just evolved over the years. That being said it's just that "a factor" , you never have ben able to put in cute girls (or bishies) in a show and guarantee it'll sell and never will be. |
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Amiluhur said: True, but my point is if you come to anime specifically looking for depth that you come to anime for the wrong reason because this is not what anime is primarily about. It is just like if you go to listen to pop music and then dismiss the songs saying you don't care for them because they lack depth and substance. This is why I said it is futile, or more precisely it is an unrewarding exercise because you seek the wrong thing in your pursuit. For me, an anime that has a lot of depth, like Shinsekai Yori which is based on an award winning science fiction, is something of a bonus, just like from time to time there is a pop song that goes beyond entertainment and gets you to think. It is not the standard I would use to judge anime / pop songs in general.Really? Just few months ago there was a show called shinsekai yori and it had subtance and depth much enough for me to kept watching it till the end, and don't get me started with PP and R;N, and they're all anime. so i don't get what you mean by "futile" when it comes to seeking depth and subtance in anime. . . . Oh well, probably different type of depth compared to shows like Free! then |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Amiluhur said: Don't care about Free! at all. I dropped it somewhere around eppie 3, not because of the manservices, but because it's just another popcorn Kyoani show that lacks substance and depth, thus not into my liking symbv said: *1, 17,944 *17,944 Dragon Ball Z Movie 14: Kami to Kami - Limited Edition *3, *5,877 **5,877 Dragon Ball Z Movie 14: Kami to Kami - Regular Edition I wonder what's the difference between the two, content-wise? Drop free because no substance or depth. Then talks about dragon ball z. Lol. Punching > Swimming. BTW 15k free copies sold. Suck it mal. |
SolviteSekai said: LOL for no substance or depth comment. Look at the numbers more carefully, man. It is not 15k free copies sold !Drop free because no substance or depth. Then talks about dragon ball z. Lol. Punching > Swimming. BTW 15k free copies sold. Suck it mal. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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SolviteSekai said: Drop free because no substance or depth. Then talks about dragon ball z. Lol. Punching > Swimming. And what's the problem with that? Care to elaborate? |
rederoin said: I am very very very impressed by the packaging of Kitakubu !!!-KKK http://i.imgur.com/UMQAoCu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/nfWPNAp.jpg |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Free has character depth? LOL and people say the big 3 has the worst fans.. Anyway can anyone inform me about how well he Dragon ball Z movie did when it premiered months ago? I expected more than 30k on DVD+BD sales :|. Monogatari is next week woot! woot! \o/. |
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tsudman said: It is undeniable there is some depth for the characters in Free, in particular Rin and Haruka. Even the other characters are not really flat and one-dimensional. Bear in mind that having depth does not have to mean *a lot of* depth. Free has character depth? LOL and people say the big 3 has the worst fans.. tsudman said: Around 3 billion Yen in box office gross. Less than half of what One Piece Film Z made but good enough to be one of the top 5 grossing anime films this year so far.Anyway can anyone inform me about how well he Dragon ball Z movie did when it premiered months ago? I expected more than 30k on DVD+BD sales :|. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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