Ejc said: StopDropAndBowl, besides what Ejc said, one thing I need to bring to your attention is that through long time observation, it is noted that preordering plays a very important role in anime fans' BD/DVD buying behavior, so much so that the ranking of BD/DVD in shops like Amazon over time, starting from when the title is made available which is usually long before the title is available for sale, provides insightful predictions about how the title will sell when it is released. This is why we are talking about prediction or projection of sales now.StopDropAndBowl said: Just ignore bippo's posts. The majority of them in these threads have been with completely unrealistic expectations... pretty much troll baiting. Just check out the threads a few weeks before SnK v1 came out and you'll see what I mean. Also check the huge negative bias bippo has over Monogatari.Dude... isn't it gonna be more than a month before anyone even buys these things for real? I really don't think you can make any straight up "outselling" predictions at this point unless the difference is huge like 3K to 20K. bippo said: I was one who was skeptical because you failed to explain what were in the Twitter that suggested a boom in ranking was upcoming. It was only after several exchanges that you finally gave something resembling some explanation, and as soon as that came I stopped being skeptical. And while I congratulate you on making the right call about the jump after ep.4 is aired, that does not mean your talk about Free being top of season outselling monogatari or monogatari is going to sell 25k is not shit. You just get carried away by the fanboy and overhype blood getting to your head. I give you credit when it is due but most of what you said so far is really just bordering on delusional. ^ Yeah free had event tickets. It is normal for fujoshi shows to jump up in the rankings when this happens, causing for a boom in sales. BUT it is a well-known fact that Free is selling good even before all this shit happened. It WAS trending on twitter before the boost in volume 1 weeks ago and their topic was DVD sales. Some people here was skeptical. |
symbvAug 8, 2013 1:56 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| ^ Thing is, even for a box-set, it will still count towards the average for monogatari. But it would be better if you show us a source that says there is an aniplex exclusive bd-box for monogatari 2nd season. Hahalollawl said: These days a lot of anime adapted from manga/LN/game can almost be called a loss-leader, which means it will lose money if you look at only the BD/DVD sales, but if you look at boost of sales to the original manga/LN/game and additional revenues from merchandising and collaboration projects, the whole project looks viable and makes business sense. Is it the case that most or all anime that have a currently ongoing manga are trying to draw attention/generate excitement for the manga, and therefore don't have to sell a certain amount of BD or DVD to be considered successful? Hahalollawl said: Yes for both questions. Clearly just the BD/DVD sales of previous seasons of KamiNomi would never justify it to have additional season but we can be sure that the project is deemed to make business sense for this new season to get green light. And this would be same for WataMote and KimiMachi. Yet how much boost of sales the publisher expects and needs to break even is hard to tell. We simply do not have enough data to judge. Or the answer to your second question is Yes each case can be different but we cannot judge it from our side. Symbv seems to think this is the case for Kaminomi and Watamote, but is it the same for, say Kimi no iru machi? Or does each anime/manga have to be looked at individually? Hahalollawl said: Not sure about your question? EDIT: Also, if they are not all that way, how can you tell which ones are and which ones aren't? Is the production company tied to the manga in some way for some shows that it isn't for others? |
symbvAug 8, 2013 2:13 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| The official site listing of packages and offers doesn't seem to list an Aniplex 12-disc set unless I have the wrong link here: http://www.monogatari-series.com/2ndseason/package/tokuten.html I see the same if I follow the link to Aniplex: https://www.aniplexplus.com/BhqnFbHu |
bippo said: _aaa said: If you mind? You are too polite wtf! Also, accurate?? No no no. They're not accurate. They're just predictions. If you think too much about the numbers I post then you've got some issues lol. Take this with a grain of salt. Read and move on. I've put this here before but oh well. These are just averages. Free 40k (Steady ranks, good plot, event tickets, perfect) Monogatari 25k (That box-set will slow this down which won't be on sale until May 2014) I read no further than this. bippo, you said to take your comment with a grain of salt. I tried; but if you gonna claim something this big, you gotta give us some real data to back it up. Using elements such as expected good plot or event ticket is only mere speculation. Right now, the only data we have is Stalker's Amazon ranking and Free is still below Monogatari but you are expecting Free to sell almost double Monogatari?! I will give you props for predicting Free to rank below 50th in Amazon. But that prediction is actually more grounded in reality since a) we have seen how lackluster other Summer titles are and b) a lot of reluctant Kyoani's fans and fujioshi are coming home. However, to surpass 40K, a show needs to capture more than its core demo to become something really special. You mentioned selling not vol 1, but average over 40K! That's K-On level. Does Free create the same amount of buzz and enthusiasm that K-On did? I'm doubtful. Of course, one can be wrong a hundred times; but if he makes one right call, he becomes legend. I know you are aiming for that. You will earn bragging right on all of us if you are right. But in the mean time, please be careful on what you claim on this sales thread because some people might use your number to set expectation. btw, I'm still holding you on your claim that Snk would out-sell Madoka :) I'm starting to think you have something against Shaft ^_^ |
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aaa_ said: For those wondering about the aniplex shop, there is a premium membership. I got the info from my friend who wants to buy the monogatari series stories. bippo said: Hey, so Aniplex is all hush and hush and really secret and exclusive, not even bothering to put up any information out on the net about this amazing 12 disc in one BD Box I guess? LOLYour "friend" is doing some shady things as aniplex's membership(paid) is restricted to japanese address and cellphones only.....given the fact that you guys are not here. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
ThangLong said: Right now, the only data we have is Stalker's Amazon ranking and Free is still below Monogatari but you are expecting Free to sell almost double Monogatari?! Actually as of now Free! is ranked higher than Monogatari, but you're right in saying bippo is exagerating.. |
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mistress_kisara said: Don't forget snapshot of ranking and actual sales projection are two different things even though they are related over an extended period.Actually as of now Free! is ranked higher than Monogatari, but you're right in saying bippo is exagerating.. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| ^ wow, I'm not aware of that development. Thing is starting to move in bippo's direction :) Free was absent for a week, but it moves ahead of Monogatari; interesting. Maybe it is because ep 5 just aired, and event ticket announcement. The next arc of Monogatari is said to be better, so we can expect the ranking to go back to the way it was unless Free pulls something phenomenal. |
ThangLongAug 8, 2013 3:47 AM
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ThangLong said: Nope. It's just event ticket effect which will last shortly, doesn't mean much when you compare it to something as huge as Monogatari. Even if Free sells those 40k (lol) there's no way in hell Monogatari would sell just a pathetic (for this franchise) 25k. 40k should be Monogatari's absolute minimum. Don't forget Hanekawa isn't popular monogatari, rankings will jump when other girls get more attention.^ wow, I'm not aware of that development. Thing is starting to move in bippo's direction :) |
Progeusz said: ThangLong said: Nope. It's just event ticket effect which will last shortly, doesn't mean much when you compare it to something as huge as Monogatari. Even if Free sells those 40k (lol) there's no way in hell Monogatari would sell just a pathetic (for this franchise) 25k. 40k should be Monogatari's absolute minimum. Don't forget Hanekawa isn't popular monogatari, rankings will jump when other girls get more attention.^ wow, I'm not aware of that development. Thing is starting to move in bippo's direction :) bippo's predictions on the previous page are actually quite reasonable. It's only when anime he is a massive fanboy of (Free! and SnK) or absolutely hates (Monogatari) is involved... the predictions start to get ridiculous. I'm not sure if Hanekawa being the least popular Monogatari girl, also holds in Japan... but if is, then we can probably expect sales to increase a bit or at least stay consistent from after Nekomonogatari (White). It is utterly ridiculous to think that Monogatari is going to do an UtaPri and drop massively on other volumes except 2 or so, such as bippo is suggesting. |
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| Nekomonogatari Kuro, also mostly about Hanekawa sold over 55K per volume. Just what are people smoking here? |
| ^ Let's put the popularity of girls aside, for the various novels in monogatari 2nd season, NekoShiro is considered one of the better written. Of course for "better written" it includes a more interesting story among other things. So the performance of NekoShiro may indeed reflect the norm instead of weaker performance. That said, it is always possible to make something a lot more interesting in anime -- this is what adaptation is for anyway, and it will be up to Shaft to use its skills and know-hows to make it entertaining even the story itself may not be strongest. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| So many people are waiting for Kabuki with a high level of anticipation. The first short PV is up: http://www.monogatari-series.com/2ndseason/movie/kabuki_pv01.html I love how they animated the VOFAN illustration on the cover of the novel! I look forward to the solicitation of those discs, mostly because I want to confirm what I suspect which is that it will be a 6 episode arc. And I look forward to comparing the presales numbers to NekoShiro. |
hpulley said: Considering it's something between OVA and TV series (well, it aired in TV but at once as special and it's just two discs instead of 6+) and the fact Nise (less plot, more PLOT) averaged >60k, 55k doesn't look like anything special.Nekomonogatari Kuro, also mostly about Hanekawa sold over 55K per volume. Just what are people smoking here? |
hpulley said: Nekomonogatari Kuro, also mostly about Hanekawa sold over 55K per volume. Just what are people smoking here? Yes, quite a contrary, maybe the fact that one of the best girls got btw, I'm alway under an impression that the Fire Sisters are the least popular. Some Japanese Otaku are conservative regarding siscon. OreImo is an example of that :D Even though I'm not a huge fan of the Monogatari franchise (the animation makes me feel dizzy, and the flashing of texts affects my enjoyment a lot), I get why people like it. So for me, bippo's hatred of Monogatari seems... unreasonable :) |
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Progeusz said: I think hpulley's point is the drop can hardly be attributed to any perception that Hanekawa is the less popular girls in monogatari. hpulley said: Considering it's something between OVA and TV series (well, it aired in TV but at once as special and it's just two discs instead of 6+) and the fact Nise (less plot, more PLOT) averaged >60k, 55k doesn't look like anything special.Nekomonogatari Kuro, also mostly about Hanekawa sold over 55K per volume. Just what are people smoking here? Anyway, even if we look at only NekoShiro the feedback I read in Japanese forums is that the story in NekoShiro raises the popularity of Hanekawa pretty much because they see the story of the humanization development of her character to be a really good one. Again it goes back to what I said that the sales performance of NekoShiro is likely to reflect the norm instead of weaker than norm. ThangLong said: This actually adds to the time (fun) it take me to watch the episode, and as a reader of the original novel I am always happy to see some supplementary text from the novel in the anime - you don't really need them to understand the story but it adds quite a bit to the joy and entertainment if you capture them in a later viewing ;-)the flashing of texts affects my enjoyment a lot |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: ThangLong said: This actually adds to the time (fun) it take me to watch the episode, and as a reader of the original novel I am always happy to see some supplementary text from the novel in the anime - you don't really need them to understand the story but it adds quite a bit to the joy and entertainment if you capture them in a later viewing ;-)the flashing of texts affects my enjoyment a lot haha, for me, it's also a clever trick (among other things) that Shaft pulls to get people buying the dics because even Japanese can't read the texts lasting about 0.5 to 1 sec on live TV :)) I'm also not familiar with the Novel so those texts mean little to me. However, as a student of business, I applaud Shaft for their cleverness :D |
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ThangLong said: I think Shaft did it at first because all those stills are cheap but now it has become the style of the series so even though they can afford not to do those stills, they still do them as they're expected.symbv said: ThangLong said: This actually adds to the time (fun) it take me to watch the episode, and as a reader of the original novel I am always happy to see some supplementary text from the novel in the anime - you don't really need them to understand the story but it adds quite a bit to the joy and entertainment if you capture them in a later viewing ;-)the flashing of texts affects my enjoyment a lot haha, for me, it's also a clever trick (among other things) that Shaft pulls to get people buying the dics because even Japanese can't read the texts lasting about 0.5 to 1 sec on live TV :)) I'm also not familiar with the Novel so those texts mean little to me. However, as a student of business, I applaud Shaft for their cleverness :D I enjoy them. They give the anime-only folks a taste for some of Nisiosin's words. It shall sell well enough that we shall see the series animated to the end as they've promised. That's all I want, to see it until the end. It's all any fan of any series wants is for it to sell well enough to see more of it. Nothing wrong with that. No need to put down other series for that. Personally I don't like Free! but I don't put it down and I hope it sells well for the studio's sake and for the industry's sake. I can separate my personal likes and dislikes from those of Japanese otaku. I understand that things I like, they may not like. You may not like them either. And that's OK. |
symbv said: That's good to hear, Hanekawa wasn't loved enough in the past. You can look at it other way and conclude she finally gets what she deserved thanks to NekoShiro, rising from unpopularity ;) I don't think there's place left for Hitagi's popularity to be improved, for example.Anyway, even if we look at only NekoShiro the feedback I read in Japanese forums is that the story in NekoShiro raises the popularity of Hanekawa pretty much because they see the story of the humanization development of her character to be a really good one. Again it goes back to what I said that the sales performance of NekoShiro is likely to reflect the norm instead of weaker than norm. Fire Sisters are special case as they were nonexistent in Bake while Hanekawa had arguably the biggest role after Araragi and Senjougahara. More novels focus on Hanekawa but it isn't relative to her popularity, I think it's safe to say other girls are preferred by fans to some extent. Just to be clear, I never wanted to imply that first volumes of new Monogatari would sell worse, just that preorder rankings will improve with other arcs airing. ^I agree with hpulley's view on Monogatari's style |
ThangLong said: Normally it is still just (barely) possible but the main issue is: In monogatari the text is written in katakana (and kanji) when it is supposed to be written in hiragana (and kanji). This makes a slower reading (due to unfamiliarity) and so most of the time even native speakers are not able to read them. But you don't really need to buy the discs if you have the show recorded -- just pause or rewind and you can read it. Of course if you do it the first time when you see it it may disrupt the pace, which is why many suggest touching those text in a second viewing...haha, for me, it's also a clever trick (among other things) that Shaft pulls to get people buying the dics because even Japanese can't read the texts lasting about 0.5 to 1 sec on live TV :)) As for Hanekawa's popularity back in Bake/Nise I think of the five girls in Bake perhaps Kanbaru is even less popular than Hanekawa but of course there is no concrete proof of it, just intuitive feeling coming from observations. |
symbvAug 8, 2013 5:21 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| I think bippo is posting straight off of 4chan at this point. A quick and I mean quick visit reveals a glut of threads that essentially people baiting and gloating to Monogatari fans about Free's recent boost in sales. I wish people wouldn't export this utter bullshit fanboy war from 4chan to other places and act like everyone should give anything approaching a damn about it or buy into the idea that everything about anime is just Kyoani vs. Shaft for some imagined dominance but like I said that's the current state of the fandom. Enjoy my misery and frustration folks, maybe you'll get a taste of why I am the way I am sometimes. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: Nah, I think he is simply living in his imaginary world and those are his own thoughts without any ulterior motives like spreading (not really existing) Shaft vs KyoAni war to other sites.I think bippo is posting straight off of 4chan at this point. A quick and I mean quick visit reveals a glut of threads that essentially people baiting and gloating to Monogatari fans about Free's recent boost in sales. I wish people wouldn't export this utter bullshit fanboy war from 4chan to other places and act like everyone should give anything approaching a damn about it or buy into the idea that everything about anime is just Kyoani vs. Shaft for some imagined dominance but like I said that's the current state of the fandom. Enjoy my misery and frustration folks, maybe you'll get a taste of why I am the way I am sometimes. Only people who know nothing about 4chan, have zero intention to learn anything about that place and refuse to notice anything inconvenient to their already existing warped idea could draw such conclusions. However, I'm impressed you still managed to tie this with your discontent of two best studios. |
jmal said: To be honest, I don't know what happened to him. I don't remember him acting so irritatingly and doing it so persistently. OK, he did those posts with super-huge bold font to exclaim for something from time to time but at least it was done occasionally and never continuously. Now he is really like those "agitator trolls" much despised even in 2ch who take joy in fanning the flames between fans of two shows or two studios. Once in a while and when judiciously done it may be funny but doing it time and time again, and at the same time spreading misinformation (as you said), is deeply regrettable and serve only to damage his own credibility and lose whatever respect he may have earned over time. I really don't want to call bippo a harmful presence in this forum but if he continues his way I may just have to use the persona non grata label.bippo's obsessive dedication to spreading misinformation and confusing people who don't know enough about Japanese releases to understand how ignorant and unsupported his claims are is reaching ban-worthy levels of harmful. Kaioshin_Sama said: As I said, the sooner you rid yourself of the studio persecution complex and rivalry thinking, the better you will be able to enjoy anime as it is. No need to justify how you have this misery line of thought, but rather break out of it; otherwise you are still living under the trauma and shadow of those fanboy gloating and trashing battles and let those fanboys/haters still affect how you look at an anime and its studio. Enjoy my misery and frustration folks, maybe you'll get a taste of why I am the way I am sometimes. |
symbvAug 8, 2013 7:33 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| I'm not exactly a fan of bippo but at the same time, I find his style of delivery amusing and his perspective interesting. Even though he sometimes went overboard (he is doing it more often now), bippo does bring a different angle to the discussion. As a forum, we should encourage different views to avoid marching in lock steps, which can be quite damaging in the long run. bippo has some knowledge about sale. His problem is he likes to wrap information to fit his agenda, but so do many people. What he needs is a good rebuttal and everyone can move on. If he comes back to defend his points, great, then we can have a good discussion. Of course, there is a point where comment can get quite troll-ish like symbv said, but bippo does not get to that point yet imo. btw, this KyoAni vs. Shaft thing is odd. I knows some fans on 4chan show animosity toward each other's studios, but I don't know why it started. If anyone knows about the studio war's origin, please write on my profile. Furthermore, why do people so obsessvie with these two studios specifically? They are not in anyway more internationally acclaimed than Ghibli or more accomplished than Pierrot and Sunrise. Besides there are other studios with hugely poplar series like Gainax, Production I.G, JC Staff, Bones...etc. |
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| ^ point taken. Sale discussion needs more objective reasoning since there are concrete data that are verifiable. However, within that discussion, sale speculations and predictions do leave more room for personal interpretation, including wild guesses. The further away from release date, or in cases of Free and SnK, the further away from the show's ending, the more room people have to put their bet. Tools like Stalker, though narrow the predictions, still follows the changes in one show's prospect, not leading it. For example, Stalker did not predict episode 4 of Free changes the show's outlook dramatically; it only records the result. Who can say what result will ep 6, 7, and so on, cause? I asked bippo eariler about bringing more evidence to back up his claims. I'm trying to see if he can rationalize what part of the art, plot, music is appealing to Japanese fans so much so that he thinks Free will sell to the level of K-On. Furthermore, early signals can affect sale tremendously before the number is shown in Stalker as we have known with event tickets, extras, good episode...etc. Going even beyound that, we have 2ch messages, studio and producer's movements (indicating their expectation of the show), midnight TV raitings, etc. I'm not saying we can easily get these data, but doing the exercise can expand our horizon, and help us learn more about Japanese tastes and trends that will come in handy cultural understandings as well as subsequent sale prediction. bippo's agenda is not what I described above, but that is what he unintentionally carries with. That's what I meant by "bring a different angle to the discussion." When facing with questions from other members, hopefully, he will have to go dig more proofs for his claims. Thus, as a forum, we can be all benefited from it. Of course, "blatantly making shit up" over a long period of time is not acceptable either. But imo, bippo has not done too much to warrant an out-right ban. He also has shown to know his limit, e.g. by not talking about SnK anymore. I think he is walking on a thin rope and he knows it. Perhaps, I don't have to talk to him much like you did, so I can understand your frustration. Yes, "not all discourse is inherently good discourse" but so as "not all exaggeration is bad exaggeration." :) |
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Kaioshin_Sama said: Enjoy my misery and frustration folks, maybe you'll get a taste of why I am the way I am sometimes. Just keep the misery to yourself. Don't involve others. |
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ThangLong said: My main objection is not his wild prediction, which is actually the least of the problems (although repeated too often it could become like a campaign to push his view), but some of the words he picked like "rape" "kill" and observations he distorted and blew out of proportion (it is ranked above monogatari now so monogatari is goner!). This is pure agitation to inflame fans of certain show or studio. And doing this again and again at the slightest "sign" from new data updates is what I'd call trolling. And this is the biggest problem in my opinion.^ point taken. Sale discussion needs more objective reasoning since there are concrete data that are verifiable. However, within that discussion, sale speculations and predictions do leave more room for personal interpretation, including wild guesses. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Ok moving on, is the full list up yet?? :p |
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ThangLong said: btw, this KyoAni vs. Shaft thing is odd. I knows some fans on 4chan show animosity toward each other's studios, but I don't know why it started. If anyone knows about the studio war's origin, please write on my profile. Furthermore, why do people so obsessvie with these two studios specifically? They are not in anyway more internationally acclaimed than Ghibli or more accomplished than Pierrot and Sunrise. Besides there are other studios with hugely poplar series like Gainax, Production I.G, JC Staff, Bones...etc. I kind of believe it's more of a recency thing and them being easy targets for petty fanboys to snipe at each other since they've had some popular shows recently. It's honestly the sheer ignorance they show that is the biggest turn off to me. symbv said: My main objection is not his wild prediction, which is actually the least of the problems (although repeated too often it could become like a campaign to push his view), but some of the words he picked like "rape" "kill" and observations he distorted and blew out of proportion (it is ranked above monogatari now so monogatari is goner!). This is pure agitation to inflame fans of certain show or studio. And doing this again and again at the slightest "sign" from new data updates is what I'd call trolling. And this is the biggest problem in my opinion. Truth be told I haven't seen an example quite this over the top in a while. This is the sort of angry studio fanboy I talk about, not the people that just enjoy there shows and don't have to be complete and utter assholes about it to other people that are just trying to do the same. Anyway yeah this is the sort of thing I was talking about when people take this sales stuff way to far and out of the realm of statistics and into the realm of spite. Anyway people might not think it, but I've tried to take what specific people have said to me into consideration and to remember what they've said, what they've said it about, and how they've said it and aside from one person who came into the thread recently I'm kind of forced to admit that there's been a good job of separating personal preference from getting the facts down straight and not being a douchebag about things and that I kind of owe it to the thread to try to follow suit and put some animosities aside here. I mean as much as jmal and I butt heads I respect the fact that despite him clearly being a fan of Kyoani he is in fact capable of telling someone else who is band wagoning onto a work he probably doesn't actually really feel any significant attachment too for the sake of antagonizing another fan base that he's full of it instead of just casually agreeing because it just so happens to be Kyoani. I swear I wish people believed that I'm not joking that in most of my experiences it would have been the latter I'd see happen and people abandoning logic and adopting a clear double standard just to support Kyoani. As such I support Jmals position in this case, there's a clear difference between him and someone like Bippo and one of these people is being a true supportive fan while the other comes across as something of a parasite. |
PeacingOutAug 8, 2013 5:37 PM
| I just hope this season can be salvaged, Almost everything's gone South. |
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| Splash Free single is currently #4 in Oricon!! and Makoto and Haruka character songs are #9 and #10 respectively! |
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bippo said: Don't you realize you are not helping KyoAni or Free in any way by gloating like this?! You are only creating more potential animosity for them. How stupid can this be?One rank away from being a certified season top seller. I love it~ I can't believe my eyes!! *11位/*13位 ★ (**3,519 pt) [*,103予約] 13/09/11 Free! (1) [Blu-ray] Drop it like its hot? Not! More like ice cold.... *23位/*21位 ★ (*25,483 pt) [*,195予約] 13/10/23 Nekomonogatari 1 Looking for a drop to 60th place for neko when the recap episodes come tomorrow. @_aaa, Really, you should listen to jmal. That's what I want to tell you. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
bippo said: Have you ever considered the possibility there could exist people without BD player who are not fujoshi? Especially in 2009?Bake has attracted lots of fujoshi into buying the DVDs. If it weren't for them, Bake would have just a 55k average. I'm not sure if you realize it but you implied 1/4th of Bake fanbase are fujoshi. |
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