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May 21, 2013 7:09 AM
#51
dniv said: This project is the implementation of that shading computer theory by Dr. Matsusada that Yomikawa was reading in Chapter 3, part 13. And that was said to just be in the theoretical phases. So she's still testing out things on this project using AIM as the medium. If all goes well and she kills Fremea, she might just do that. Of course we know it won't succeed but as this is operating using the AIM fields, it's puzzling that Aleister still isn't doing anything about this.Also, if Yakumi is that strong, why doesn't she just assassinate Crowley now? |
May 21, 2013 7:13 AM
#52
belatkuro said: dniv said: This project is the implementation of that shading computer theory by Dr. Matsusada that Yomikawa was reading in Chapter 3, part 13. And that was said to just be in the theoretical phases. So she's still testing out things on this project using AIM as the medium. If all goes well and she kills Fremea, she might just do that. Of course we know it won't succeed but as this is operating using the AIM fields, it's puzzling that Aleister still isn't doing anything about this.Also, if Yakumi is that strong, why doesn't she just assassinate Crowley now? I was thinking the cellphone might have been a result of him or Seria... and that the random zoo-keeper who had a phone that could *hack security cameras* was also either a result of him or Seria... wait... answer the part about Enzu... that's the part I actually care about lol. Between the lines of chapter 2 should confirm what I said about Enzu. Because Enzu is obviously in the hospital and not walking around... They said it would be one more week before anything happened and yet someone calling himself Enzu is there out of the hospital... |
May 21, 2013 7:24 AM
#53
We're dealing with a project that lets them call out 7500 "heroes". And their definition of heroes are someone who can resolve anything no matter the odds as things always favor their way. That's why they wanted to pit all of them against each other so they can kill them. I would say that that cellphone and that guard is because of the distortion that's happening in AC that's making all these heroes gather. Special ones like Touma and Hamazura have the favors on their side as they seem to be able to manipulate the circumstances they are in. Yomikawa even noted it on that part that it could be possible for anyone to manipulate the shading computer as everyone is connected through it. Hence things seem to go in favor of Touma because his will was able to change the flow. Rensa was even surprised that Touma appeared before her even though the calculations for the project are precise and already set. As for #6, Aihana Etsu, we have too little information to even be able to speculate. And we have contradicting facts presented with the narration as well as Misaki's statement. So we should just accept at the moment that the only information we'll get about him for now is his name and that he's somehow a faker. |
May 21, 2013 7:32 AM
#54
belatkuro said: We're dealing with a project that lets them call out 7500 "heroes". And their definition of heroes are someone who can resolve anything no matter the odds as things always favor their way. That's why they wanted to pit all of them against each other so they can kill them. I would say that that cellphone and that guard is because of the distortion that's happening in AC that's making all these heroes gather. Special ones like Touma and Hamazura have the favors on their side as they seem to be able to manipulate the circumstances they are in. Yomikawa even noted it on that part that it could be possible for anyone to manipulate the shading computer as everyone is connected through it. Hence things seem to go in favor of Touma because his will was able to change the flow. Rensa was even surprised that Touma appeared before her even though the calculations for the project are precise and already set. As for #6, Aihana Etsu, we have too little information to even be able to speculate. And we have contradicting facts presented with the narration as well as Misaki's statement. So we should just accept at the moment that the only information we'll get about him for now is his name and that he's somehow a faker. Yeah I agree with that point. That's probably true... But they did say that Touma was under the same influence of Agitate halation, but that the difference was that Hamazura had asked him to find and protect Fremea personally... It's still funny that Gunha just overcame Agitate Halation and like you said came for the wrong reason :) I still doubt the cellphone did that randomly though. The zoo-keeper maybe. The cell-phone no... Agitate Halation installs a sense of justice in people, it doesn't make machines try to make those people go to the desired area... As for your response to Etsu: Ok... but did you read my argument... I said he was in Yakumi's hospital. He was mentioned in chapter 2 section between the lines... This would also make sense with what was said in the railgun manga that Estu would probably be nowhere to be found... (because he got injured in the past presumably like Kakine, and therefore is getting the exact same treatment as Kakine did... isn't that possible)??? |
dnivMay 21, 2013 7:39 AM
May 21, 2013 7:46 AM
#55
dniv said: No no. It's the situation within the city that's being manipulated by Touma and these heroes. Touma already noted that there is some kind of distortion present. What I'm saying is that Touma is looking for a way to find Fremea and it was presented to him via that cellphone at that guy. That's how heroes operate. Things always go their way and overcome the odds. And the cause of that is the distortion of the project and Touma somehow manipulating it to favor him.Yeah I agree with that point. That's probably true... I still doubt the cellphone did that randomly though. The zoo-keeper maybe. The cell-phone no... Agitate Halation installs a sense of justice in people, it doesn't make machines try to make those people go to the desired area... As for your response to Etsu: Ok... but did you read my argument... I said he was in Yakumi's hospital. He was mentioned in chapter 2 section between the lines... This would also make sense with what was said in the railgun manga that Estu would probably be nowhere to be found... (because he got injured in the past presumably like Kakine, and therefore is getting the exact same treatment as Kakine did... isn't that possible)??? And Enzu =/= Etsu. Etsu is Aihana Etsu mentioned by the boy with the black leather jacket that was seen by Misaki and noted to be a faker. Enzu is Fatty-chan nicknamed by Rensa who is undergoing something about cholesterol as an assassination weapon. I doubt he's the #6 as all the level 5s have their dedicated laboratories for them. It would be weird for him to be in a facility by one of the board members. Though if it was noted in the Railgun manga that he's missing then that would open up some discussion but in the end it will still be speculation with little to no evidence. And I don't want to waste my time with that for now. |
May 21, 2013 7:51 AM
#56
belatkuro said: dniv said: No no. It's the situation within the city that's being manipulated by Touma and these heroes. Touma already noted that there is some kind of distortion present. What I'm saying is that Touma is looking for a way to find Fremea and it was presented to him via that cellphone at that guy. That's how heroes operate. Things always go their way and overcome the odds. And the cause of that is the distortion of the project and Touma somehow manipulating it to favor him.Yeah I agree with that point. That's probably true... I still doubt the cellphone did that randomly though. The zoo-keeper maybe. The cell-phone no... Agitate Halation installs a sense of justice in people, it doesn't make machines try to make those people go to the desired area... As for your response to Etsu: Ok... but did you read my argument... I said he was in Yakumi's hospital. He was mentioned in chapter 2 section between the lines... This would also make sense with what was said in the railgun manga that Estu would probably be nowhere to be found... (because he got injured in the past presumably like Kakine, and therefore is getting the exact same treatment as Kakine did... isn't that possible)??? And Enzu =/= Etsu. Etsu is Aihana Etsu mentioned by the boy with the black leather jacket that was seen by Misaki and noted to be a faker. Enzu is Fatty-chan nicknamed by Rensa who is undergoing something about cholesterol as an assassination weapon. I doubt he's the #6 as all the level 5s have their dedicated laboratories for them. It would be weird for him to be in a facility by one of the board members. Though if it was noted in the Railgun manga that he's missing then that would open up some discussion but in the end it will still be speculation with little to no evidence. And I don't want to waste my time with that for now. You just made me cry lol. Now I'm pissed off as the rest of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GODDAMN IT KAMACHI! at least we know Misaki has a connection with the #6 somehow because she mentions it kind of.... And yeah I agree also with the first part of what you said. I agree with both parts. Lol dramatic ending. All I gotta say: holy fricking crap! Kakine Teitoku is now officially one of my favorite characters and is a boss! Completely untrue probably: but just for fun, let's say one of the Rensas was Nunotaba ;) |
dnivMay 21, 2013 10:24 PM
May 22, 2013 7:11 AM
#57
Rensa is pretty overpowered but I still can't see how she is able to block Touma's Mind's Eye Precog. I guess minute muscle movements are one tip-off he uses but I always thought it was that he was able to sense minute changes in fields such as AIM fields, Mana flow, EM fields, etc. |
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May 22, 2013 10:07 AM
#58
CreationBreaker said: Rensa is pretty overpowered but I still can't see how she is able to block Touma's Mind's Eye Precog. I guess minute muscle movements are one tip-off he uses but I always thought it was that he was able to sense minute changes in fields such as AIM fields, Mana flow, EM fields, etc. If she has no emotions, then it works. Since she isn't actually using the ability, but is rather outputting the esper ability from herself as a off-shoot point, this means that the AIM field is different than it would normally be with using those types of powers. Furthermore, Touma has fought humans, but not machines (that much yet anyway) so it is likely that he isn't used to the way Rensa would think/act. I do agree though... it is kind of weird... it shouldn't really work... Then again, I don't see why Touma would exactly be able to read AIM fields and the others... I think this was just speculated by Kamachi... maybe there's another difference in this situation that no-one is noticing... |
May 22, 2013 11:46 AM
#59
I will be honest.I have no idea what just happened in part 11.... I mean I do understand the idea but....ehhh? |
May 22, 2013 12:02 PM
#60
ssjokg said: I will be honest.I have no idea what just happened in part 11.... I mean I do understand the idea but....ehhh? I think basically that Fremea is messing with Yakumi's memories... since she's involved in Agitate Halation, she can affect the shading computer... I think she's making Yakumi remember painful memories... (I'm not sure those are new memories)... At the end she got Touma syndrome: everyone smiling at the end (lol). She's manipulating AIM which is letting her manipulate the AIM thought being Yakumi... she's either making her feel like she has a body, or she is making her have a body... I'm not sure which... |
May 22, 2013 12:07 PM
#61
dniv said: Yeah what I mean is how?How did Fremea suddenly become capable of manipulating AIM fields?One volume ago she was "using"it unintentionally but now she mastered it?Or is her Agigate Halation an on/off power?ssjokg said: I will be honest.I have no idea what just happened in part 11.... I mean I do understand the idea but....ehhh? I think basically that Fremea is messing with Yakumi's memories... since she's involved in Agitate Halation, she can affect the shading computer... I think she's making Yakumi remember painful memories... (I'm not sure those are new memories)... At the end she got Touma syndrome: everyone smiling at the end (lol). She's manipulating AIM which is letting her manipulate the AIM thought being Yakumi... she's either making her feel like she has a body, or she is making her have a body... I'm not sure which... |
May 22, 2013 12:51 PM
#62
ssjokg said: dniv said: Yeah what I mean is how?How did Fremea suddenly become capable of manipulating AIM fields?One volume ago she was "using"it unintentionally but now she mastered it?Or is her Agigate Halation an on/off power?ssjokg said: I will be honest.I have no idea what just happened in part 11.... I mean I do understand the idea but....ehhh? I think basically that Fremea is messing with Yakumi's memories... since she's involved in Agitate Halation, she can affect the shading computer... I think she's making Yakumi remember painful memories... (I'm not sure those are new memories)... At the end she got Touma syndrome: everyone smiling at the end (lol). She's manipulating AIM which is letting her manipulate the AIM thought being Yakumi... she's either making her feel like she has a body, or she is making her have a body... I'm not sure which... I think that wanting to protect people, reverses the flow of what was happening in Agitate Halation. Therefore, by reversing the flow process, even a small level 0 is able to affect the shading computer and can mess with the associated AIM thought being. I think by saying I will protect others, the process is therefore versed and the flux is negative, which causes this phenomenon. Mathematically that's what going on, physically, I have no clue in hell. Kiharas really are evil |
dnivMay 22, 2013 9:32 PM
May 22, 2013 4:46 PM
#63
Fremea is channeling her inner Touma...Idol Theory at work, my friends. |
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May 22, 2013 11:52 PM
#64
May 23, 2013 1:00 AM
#65
NeoAnkara said: How many Kihara that still active anyway? And we still don't know about Aleister till this volume. You know I can't believe a golden retriever is the villain behind all of this lol lol lol. I'm guessing that right now: Kamachi wanted to upstage the Kihara in the first season of railgun, and make Touma be the hero that wins. Basically: anything you can do, Touma can do better. I mean this makes Terestina's plot look like a complete joke in comparison. The fact that Kiharas are manipulating the board of directors to this extent... what the heck is going on... My other question is exactly what you said: how is Aleister just letting this happen? My only guess is that he doesn't care as long as Accelerator and Touma end up being ok at the very end. Maybe he is waiting until Aiwass can be brought back to earth before he makes his move... after what we learned about Kakine Teitoku in this volume, this makes it seem suspicious... Maybe Kakine Teitoku isn't just the backup plan, maybe his network is the back-up network to create an almost invincible version of Aiwass? That's what it seems like. So I'm supposing that a stronger version of Aiwass will come back soon enough using Teitoku's network instead of Railgun's network. This makes sense because as we see, he basically has a much better network... I'm guessing that if the bad Teitoku ever gets out of the network, Aleister will use this to get Aiwass to come out... This is speculation obviously... but after hearing about how much more effective this different version of dark matter is... I am not too sure that Aleister isn't going to act soon... Actually... wait a minute... I think he's waiting till the level 5's become strong. We already have two of them with white wings... maybe Mikoto's next? (probably never going to happen...) but... maybe he's just waiting until the perfect opportunity occurs... I'm guessing he is aware of the failure of everything that is going on before it ends up happening... But as a result of what just happened: The Kiharas are now aware of Imagine Breaker. I do not foresee things going well at all. I called this: I said now the darkness of Academy city sees Touma Kamijou a little... Kihara Yuitsu and the dog... I am sure... are going to do something very bad soon enough... they are getting closer to Aleister's plan... except they still don't know about magic so I'm not really sure... (maybe they're the opposite version of Fiamma?) like super-powerful but doomed to fail because they just consider science?... Either way... things are heating up... I can't wait for what is coming next! Kamachi outdid himself this time. If this were animated it would be the coolest arc in all of Index so far no doubt. I knew the Kiharas were evil... but they manipulated every level 5 except the #6 and 7500 heroes and almost defeated Touma/Hamazura... this is getting crazier by the second... Index is just amazing. Kamachi now has officially made me love every single level 5 character. :) except #6. |
May 23, 2013 1:07 AM
#66
May 23, 2013 4:15 AM
#67
NeoAnkara said: Aside from wtf I get when Misaki said that it was not the real #6 I want to know the true relationship of her and Touma. You know... I want to see Toaru Kagaku no Mental Out manga, seriously. It would be very nice to read or watch as an anime... considering she doesn't know that Touma beat Accelerator... and doesn't even know that Touma is strong therefore.... why does she like him so much that she seems to like him as much as Mikoto... he must have done something pretty impressive for her... Hope it gets revealed eventually :) And creation Breaker, I completely agree with you. And... oh yeah I seem to remember someone mentioned before: Kihara's are just small fries in the end... they mean nothing to Aleister Crowley... right... that's why they are influencing the board of directors of Academy city, had an experiment which had 7500 heroes, 7 level 5's and imagine breaker involved and that's why they know about some of the special qualities of Imagine breaker... that's why they are small fries... uh huh, yeah Aleister shouldn't be worried about them messing with his plans at all... right... (overflowing with sarcasm). Also, now that Agitate halation is over... next on that Kihara's list was Takitsubo Rikou... right? She was the big bad behind everything academy city related in New Testament and had appearances for the last few volumes (well the dog was...) so... this means the next problem is Rikou becoming a level 5... Agitate Halation was marked platinum and Rikou was marked gold... meaning... either volume 8 or volume 9 is about Rikou... I'm already feeling sorry for her and Hamazura. |
dnivMay 23, 2013 5:05 AM
May 23, 2013 5:31 AM
#68
Crazy theory#1:If Gensei hadnt made an appearance in the Railgun manga I would say that the dog is him.Of course he could always do the change in some months..../kill me |
May 23, 2013 5:32 AM
#69
dniv said: We don't really have a grasp right now as to how much Aleister's plan has deviated since WWIII. Birdway even noted on NT2 that with Freshmen appearing and him not doing anything confirms that things are not going well for him. And now we know that Freshmen is partly connected to Agitate Halation.My other question is exactly what you said: how is Aleister just letting this happen? My only guess is that he doesn't care as long as Accelerator and Touma end up being ok at the very end. Maybe he is waiting until Aiwass can be brought back to earth before he makes his move... after what we learned about Kakine Teitoku in this volume, this makes it seem suspicious... Maybe Kakine Teitoku isn't just the backup plan, maybe his network is the back-up network to create an almost invincible version of Aiwass? That's what it seems like. So I'm supposing that a stronger version of Aiwass will come back soon enough using Teitoku's network instead of Railgun's network. This makes sense because as we see, he basically has a much better network... I'm guessing that if the bad Teitoku ever gets out of the network, Aleister will use this to get Aiwass to come out... This is speculation obviously... but after hearing about how much more effective this different version of dark matter is... I am not too sure that Aleister isn't going to act soon... Then again, NT5(or was it 6?) noted that Aleister just came back from outside as the AI doing the narration welcomed him back so it's safe to say he's doing something. What it is, we won't know until later. dniv said: Isn't the darkness already aware of Kamijou and Imagine Breaker ever since he defeated Accelerator in the Level 6 Shift project? It's just that Aleister specifically told them not to touch him as he's essential to his plans. I would assume that still persists until now.But as a result of what just happened: The Kiharas are now aware of Imagine Breaker. I do not foresee things going well at all. I called this: I said now the darkness of Academy city sees Touma Kamijou a little... Kihara Yuitsu and the dog... I am sure... are going to do something very bad soon enough... they are getting closer to Aleister's plan... except they still don't know about magic so I'm not really sure... (maybe they're the opposite version of Fiamma?) like super-powerful but doomed to fail because they just consider science?... If even the board of directors are aware of him(Oyafune and Kaizumi through Kumokawa), I don't think the Kiharas would be far behind. It's just that it's only now that the Kiharas will be incorporating him in their projects due to his achievements, actions and his power. |
May 23, 2013 9:51 AM
#70
ssjokg said: Crazy theory#1:If Gensei hadnt made an appearance in the Railgun manga I would say that the dog is him.Of course he could always do the change in some months..../kill me Lol... but on the Index wiki... he has a different name... but I don't know where it came from... What bothers me is that a Kihara in the form of a dog that has this much influence... why a golden retriever? I mean really... it's kind of ironic... that the worst of them is a golden retriever... but seriously.............. and... belatkuro said: dniv said: We don't really have a grasp right now as to how much Aleister's plan has deviated since WWIII. Birdway even noted on NT2 that with Freshmen appearing and him not doing anything confirms that things are not going well for him. And now we know that Freshmen is partly connected to Agitate Halation.My other question is exactly what you said: how is Aleister just letting this happen? My only guess is that he doesn't care as long as Accelerator and Touma end up being ok at the very end. Maybe he is waiting until Aiwass can be brought back to earth before he makes his move... after what we learned about Kakine Teitoku in this volume, this makes it seem suspicious... Maybe Kakine Teitoku isn't just the backup plan, maybe his network is the back-up network to create an almost invincible version of Aiwass? That's what it seems like. So I'm supposing that a stronger version of Aiwass will come back soon enough using Teitoku's network instead of Railgun's network. This makes sense because as we see, he basically has a much better network... I'm guessing that if the bad Teitoku ever gets out of the network, Aleister will use this to get Aiwass to come out... This is speculation obviously... but after hearing about how much more effective this different version of dark matter is... I am not too sure that Aleister isn't going to act soon... Then again, NT5(or was it 6?) noted that Aleister just came back from outside as the AI doing the narration welcomed him back so it's safe to say he's doing something. What it is, we won't know until later. dniv said: Isn't the darkness already aware of Kamijou and Imagine Breaker ever since he defeated Accelerator in the Level 6 Shift project? It's just that Aleister specifically told them not to touch him as he's essential to his plans. I would assume that still persists until now.But as a result of what just happened: The Kiharas are now aware of Imagine Breaker. I do not foresee things going well at all. I called this: I said now the darkness of Academy city sees Touma Kamijou a little... Kihara Yuitsu and the dog... I am sure... are going to do something very bad soon enough... they are getting closer to Aleister's plan... except they still don't know about magic so I'm not really sure... (maybe they're the opposite version of Fiamma?) like super-powerful but doomed to fail because they just consider science?... If even the board of directors are aware of him(Oyafune and Kaizumi through Kumokawa), I don't think the Kiharas would be far behind. It's just that it's only now that the Kiharas will be incorporating him in their projects due to his achievements, actions and his power. I know the freshmen were very closely related to agitate halation... and therefore were manipulated by the Kiharas... but I mean that Aleister would only act if he thought it were necessary... given that Touma was powerful enough to beat even Fiamma... I don't Aleister is necessarily that worried about anything going on... I mean with the freshman... Accelerator obviously wouldn't have died no matter what... Hamazura might have died, but that would have been good for him... and Touma showed up at the very end and just quickly fixed the problem... when Fraulein Kreutune was there in the city, it was better for Crowley, if Fraulein was removed... I'm pretty sure he wasn't worried whether or not either group got Fraulein Kreutune... this is because he already seems kind of omnipotent if you ask me... I'm pretty sure he could be a majin himself and a much more powerful one than Othinus if you ask me because he has science + magic... Aleister was the most powerful magician and probably has gotten stronger since then not weaker... especially since he has gotten younger... right? I think Aleister isn't worried about whatever happens... He will only act if his plan is in danger... My idea is that... Aleister really only cares about the Misaka network, Accelerator, and Touma... and maybe Kakine Teitoku... I don't think anything else actually matters as part of his plans... considering this... I don't think it is in his best interests to act otherwise... I am still thinking that he was behind the cellphone and the zoo-keeper... I really still do believe this... the Kiharas didn't know why Imagine breaker got there... they would have been easily able to tell if Seria had done it... they didn't understand why Imagine Breaker somehow managed to get there... well the only person capable of leading IB there without anyone else knowing why is obviously Crowley... so he's involved... From what I understand, Aleister Crowley brought Touma to Academy City for two reasons: first Touma carries out all of Aleister Crowley's dirty work (preserves his plans and keeps the other darkness factions in the city in check) and Aleister Crowley just manipulates the situation from above pulling the strings... I know that Aleister Crowley obviously got a little Frantic by not killing Birday... but also... isn't birdway from the same cabal he was in?... also maybe Aleister Crowley actually needs birdway in order to keep making Imagine Breaker get stronger... I'm pretty sure Aleister Crowley doesn't mind as long as the level 5's are getting white wings... Plus... in the end.... you heard Aiwass and Aleister... if Touma's IB DOES go away, it'll come back, in the form of next generation's IB and Aleister Crowley can live as long as he needs to wait until he finds the next person who has it... I think Aleister is waiting til he can find a more solid body for Aiwass... like Kakine... Also, the darkness might have been aware of IB, but I don't think they knew the extent of what it could do... I don't they knew it could negate all AIM fields back then... how would they know that... furthermore,... if the Kiharas were behind the project... how would they let Touma almost get hurt? It's obvious... that they don't care if Touma gets hurt or not even though Crowley told them hands off... I just wanted to say that the Kiharas are getting more and more powerful... Like I said: I already feel sorry for Rikou... I'm sure she's either NT 8 or NT 9... I just think Aleister Crowley seems like he isn't in control... but maybe that's just how it seems... I don't think he's actually having any trouble... I say this... because in one of the earlier volumes we heard, if Touma went into the windowless building... he wouldn't come back out... why would that happen... if Aleister Crowley were powerless and not doing anything? Obviously, Aleister Crowley is fine, he's the most powerful magician in the world and can teleport anywhere in the world at any given time at a moment's notice and stop whatever he wants at any point in time... I don't think someone that powerful could exactly be having the level of problems you're making it sound like he's having... |
May 23, 2013 10:07 AM
#71
I just used F3 search in NT4... So Enshuu mentioned him huh....I guess that was too much for my brain to handle that I erased it.Now I want to see his backstory.... |
May 23, 2013 12:02 PM
#72
Just a question that's been nagging me ever since they finished the translation(like an hour ago :D): of the last few lines Kamachi puts in, there is one that stating that "something greater had been lost." I cannot, for the life of me, figure out what it is. Is it Tsuchimikado? or something else? Other than that, this volume has been one of the best so far. Seria makes a rare entrance, and tsuchimikado is back involved, where he disappeared for like what, 4-5 volumes? What can Kazuma do to surpass this volume? |
May 23, 2013 12:16 PM
#73
Maybe it was referring to Touma's goal/ideal to save everyone(ok now i am sure that Emiya Shirou and Kamijou Touma would be best buddies) which didnt exactly happen... |
May 23, 2013 1:21 PM
#74
ssjokg said: Maybe it was referring to Touma's goal/ideal to save everyone(ok now i am sure that Emiya Shirou and Kamijou Touma would be best buddies) which didnt exactly happen... Good point. I actually didn't realize that at first either. Good catch. And thank you for the update that its in NT 4. I will refer back to this... Those Kiharas are cool. I like the fact that Hamazura's harem is growing as well *cough*... I think that he's learning from Touma... I think Kamachi can top this by having level 5's starting to work together with Touma. How about having Accelerator and Mikoto make up and Mikoto and Mugino... Sogita and Touma friends... Misaki learns Touma beat Accelerator... There are lots of things that can still happen lol. Learning more about Misaki's backstory before Touma lost his memory... seeing Crowley doing something useful for a change... I can't wait for volume 8. God his volume is so good: I can't help grinning to myself still when re-reading section 5 of chapter 4 :D and the section with Kakine's famous line. That line made me love Kakine... As of now, ignoring my favorites on MAL, my actual favorite characters in Index are 1. Touma 2. Accelerator/Shiage 3. Kakine 4. Mikoto (comic relief) 5. Misaki and Gunha (comic relief also) but these two have the potential to surpass Mikoto easily. If Mikoto gets white wings, then I would finally be happy... then she could actually be useful and get some character development... then again... It's hard to get white wings by protecting Shirai lolz. She's also too weak to protect Touma... |
May 23, 2013 2:40 PM
#75
May 23, 2013 2:49 PM
#76
NeoAnkara said: If Mikoto know that Misaki is after Touma too it would be great. They would seriously go at each other throat this time. I feel like Mikoto suspects something, but thinks Shokuhou is doing it to mess with her instead of because she actually likes Touma. "Whoever finds him first gets to do whatever they want with him" lol. |
May 23, 2013 3:24 PM
#77
dniv said: Being tsundere she is she don't know what that mean.NeoAnkara said: If Mikoto know that Misaki is after Touma too it would be great. They would seriously go at each other throat this time. I feel like Mikoto suspects something, but thinks Shokuhou is doing it to mess with her instead of because she actually likes Touma. "Whoever finds him first gets to do whatever they want with him" lol. |
May 23, 2013 3:59 PM
#78
NeoAnkara said: dniv said: Being tsundere she is she don't know what that mean.NeoAnkara said: If Mikoto know that Misaki is after Touma too it would be great. They would seriously go at each other throat this time. I feel like Mikoto suspects something, but thinks Shokuhou is doing it to mess with her instead of because she actually likes Touma. "Whoever finds him first gets to do whatever they want with him" lol. No I think she knows what it means: even though she's like 14... I just think that she can't believe Shokuhou is that forward and is messing with her that much... Mikoto is timid and would not ever be able to say something like that. She would be too embarrassed. |
May 23, 2013 4:12 PM
#79
While we're on the subject of Shokuhou , Mikoto, and Touma... I wonder, given that Mikoto suspects Shokuhou is not a middle school student, and Shokuhou's apparent attraction to Touma, could Touma's preference for onee-sans have been caused by her? |
May 23, 2013 4:18 PM
#80
CallMeIshmael said: That could be true. She can do many thing with her power.While we're on the subject of Shokuhou , Mikoto, and Touma... I wonder, given that Mikoto suspects Shokuhou is not a middle school student, and Shokuhou's apparent attraction to Touma, could Touma's preference for onee-sans have been caused by her? |
May 23, 2013 6:19 PM
#81
My question is what's going to happen to the Delta Force, now? Tsuchimikado has faked his death, after all. Lol @ all of Rensa's remaining brain slices replacing Kakine as the new fridge-kuns. |
Ashen_MikoMay 23, 2013 6:27 PM
(Also known on other places as Hiss13) All hail the adorable chess master! |
May 23, 2013 9:51 PM
#82
>Rensa pointing out that Kamijou cannot save everyone >has flawed ideals >Kamijou will deal with it himself We UBW Shirou now. Are we sure it's not Nasu writing that last part? Kamijou doesn't have a set ideal really, nor is he forcing his ideals on people like everyone thinks. He's just saving people that's around him. That's a significant difference to Shirou, though I doubt anyone but people reading the novels would understand. I hate it how people think Kamijou is just a preacher with shallow motivations. It's easy to identify who are the people who just watched the anime and have not read the source material, just like with FSN and Shirou. Oh well. And given that Fremea is the center of the project, even if she's just a Level 0, it somewhat makes sense that she can exercise control over it with that last illustration. And Fraulein just earned my respect. Quite a boss with what she did and her statement there. At least Kumokawa got her eye back. And I don't think for a moment that Tsuchimikado's dead. That guy's an immortal fucker. What he'll do now, I'm not quite sure. And not much of an epilogue. I wanted some hijinks with Misaki or Misaka fighting over him in the hospital. But at least Kamijou is doing something significant in the aftermath and facing things. Good stuff. Great volume overall. Will reread again. |
May 23, 2013 10:04 PM
#83
belatkuro said: >Rensa pointing out that Kamijou cannot save everyone >has flawed ideals >Kamijou will deal with it himself We UBW Shirou now. Are we sure it's not Nasu writing that last part? Kamijou doesn't have a set ideal really, nor is he forcing his ideals on people like everyone thinks. He's just saving people that's around him. That's a significant difference to Shirou, though I doubt anyone but people reading the novels would understand. I hate it how people think Kamijou is just a preacher with shallow motivations. It's easy to identify who are the people who just watched the anime and have not read the source material, just like with FSN and Shirou. Oh well. I dont think Shirou ever forced anyone.Saber was the girlhe was inlove with in Fate,UBW he had no time to preach and in HF he didnt really try to stop Rin.In a bad end he even lets her kill her. Kamijou/Index haters logic:"It's selfish to want to save everyone","Nobody asked him" .... Somehow,a char that saves people is bad because he wants to save them.I guess it would be better to just ignore all of those poor people.....Best character ever. |
May 23, 2013 10:24 PM
#84
I'm aware of that but he's forcing it a bit in Fate. He wanted to fight alone as he wants to save everyone so he's forcing Saber to stand down. It's probably an effect of his broken self and his ideals but he could have been more aware that the other person wanted to fight as well. The other routes, not as much for those reasons. I blame the adaptations for that. Same with FSN. There's nothing we can do about it really but as someone who's read the source, we still have a stronger stand in the argument about his character. And I checked NT4 and it seems like the golden retriever's name is Kihara Noukan. “Enshuu-chan, you lack a certain Kihara-ness to you, so you may not be able to tell yet, but that’s the kind of thing us Kiharas are. Even if we are all called Kiharas, we come in many different forms, right? Noukan-chan is a golden retriever with arithmetic circuits externally attached and you replace your thought patterns with those of other Kiharas because those ideas cannot be reproduced with a simple AI. …Kiharas are not limited to the form of people nor must they be linked by blood.” |
May 23, 2013 10:30 PM
#85
May 24, 2013 5:10 AM
#86
CreationBreaker said: My question is what's going to happen to the Delta Force, now? Tsuchimikado has faked his death, after all. Lol @ all of Rensa's remaining brain slices replacing Kakine as the new fridge-kuns. I think they said that as long as they initially think that tsuchimikado is dead, they won't do anything to him afterwards. Meaning he can even go back to his normal life, because they don't like to admit they screwed up and so will ignore the fact this happened to him. I thought that was written there, please tell me if I'm wrong. Also, I doubt Shokuhou could have made Touma like Onee-sama's.... I thought this for a little while, but Touma lost his memories... and she seems like she wouldn't touch a single hair on his head if it hurt him in a way that she didn't find pleasing and that he would get mad at. @Belatkuro: Yeah, Fraulein is really cool in that scene. She really is a good character. Poor Aleister Crowley, having to deal with all of these crazy super-poweful side characters who mess literally everything up. And yeah I was expecting Misaka vs. Misaki... but I think the point is to not reveal too much info on those two just quite yet. |
May 24, 2013 5:42 AM
#87
May 24, 2013 6:07 AM
#88
RS said: ...NT7 just came out 2 weeks ago and you're already asking for NT8?Does NT8 have an estimated date? I'm also excited for the next volume but LN aren't manga that come out weekly or monthly. NT6 came out last January so that's 4 months. The earliest we can get it is probably September. October at the latest. |
May 24, 2013 7:33 AM
#89
belatkuro said: RS said: ...NT7 just came out 2 weeks ago and you're already asking for NT8?Does NT8 have an estimated date? I'm also excited for the next volume but LN aren't manga that come out weekly or monthly. NT6 came out last January so that's 4 months. The earliest we can get it is probably September. October at the latest. Don't forget Index SSS is coming out soon too so it might more likely be October because he has to write that too for when it ships with the railgun S anime. |
May 24, 2013 8:01 AM
#90
belatkuro said: I'm aware of that but he's forcing it a bit in Fate. He wanted to fight alone as he wants to save everyone so he's forcing Saber to stand down. It's probably an effect of his broken self and his ideals but he could have been more aware that the other person wanted to fight as well. The other routes, not as much for those reasons. I blame the adaptations for that. Same with FSN. There's nothing we can do about it really but as someone who's read the source, we still have a stronger stand in the argument about his character. And I checked NT4 and it seems like the golden retriever's name is Kihara Noukan. “Enshuu-chan, you lack a certain Kihara-ness to you, so you may not be able to tell yet, but that’s the kind of thing us Kiharas are. Even if we are all called Kiharas, we come in many different forms, right? Noukan-chan is a golden retriever with arithmetic circuits externally attached and you replace your thought patterns with those of other Kiharas because those ideas cannot be reproduced with a simple AI. …Kiharas are not limited to the form of people nor must they be linked by blood.” I looked it up before and really,I will say it again, no matter how many times I read it I just cant believe it. Yeah it is Academy City we are talking about but a dog with human thoughts and talking ability?I could believe it if it was someone that put his brain in a dog but this part:"Kiharas are not limited to the form of people nor must they be linked by blood." well it's just weird... |
May 24, 2013 8:08 AM
#91
ssjokg said: belatkuro said: I'm aware of that but he's forcing it a bit in Fate. He wanted to fight alone as he wants to save everyone so he's forcing Saber to stand down. It's probably an effect of his broken self and his ideals but he could have been more aware that the other person wanted to fight as well. The other routes, not as much for those reasons. I blame the adaptations for that. Same with FSN. There's nothing we can do about it really but as someone who's read the source, we still have a stronger stand in the argument about his character. And I checked NT4 and it seems like the golden retriever's name is Kihara Noukan. “Enshuu-chan, you lack a certain Kihara-ness to you, so you may not be able to tell yet, but that’s the kind of thing us Kiharas are. Even if we are all called Kiharas, we come in many different forms, right? Noukan-chan is a golden retriever with arithmetic circuits externally attached and you replace your thought patterns with those of other Kiharas because those ideas cannot be reproduced with a simple AI. …Kiharas are not limited to the form of people nor must they be linked by blood.” I looked it up before and really,I will say it again, no matter how many times I read it I just cant believe it. Yeah it is Academy City we are talking about but a dog with human thoughts and talking ability?I could believe it if it was someone that put his brain in a dog but this part:"Kiharas are not limited to the form of people nor must they be linked by blood." well it's just weird... That's what we said when reading spoilers of NT 7 before learning everything :) |
May 24, 2013 8:21 AM
#92
dniv said: ssjokg said: belatkuro said: I'm aware of that but he's forcing it a bit in Fate. He wanted to fight alone as he wants to save everyone so he's forcing Saber to stand down. It's probably an effect of his broken self and his ideals but he could have been more aware that the other person wanted to fight as well. The other routes, not as much for those reasons. I blame the adaptations for that. Same with FSN. There's nothing we can do about it really but as someone who's read the source, we still have a stronger stand in the argument about his character. And I checked NT4 and it seems like the golden retriever's name is Kihara Noukan. “Enshuu-chan, you lack a certain Kihara-ness to you, so you may not be able to tell yet, but that’s the kind of thing us Kiharas are. Even if we are all called Kiharas, we come in many different forms, right? Noukan-chan is a golden retriever with arithmetic circuits externally attached and you replace your thought patterns with those of other Kiharas because those ideas cannot be reproduced with a simple AI. …Kiharas are not limited to the form of people nor must they be linked by blood.” I looked it up before and really,I will say it again, no matter how many times I read it I just cant believe it. Yeah it is Academy City we are talking about but a dog with human thoughts and talking ability?I could believe it if it was someone that put his brain in a dog but this part:"Kiharas are not limited to the form of people nor must they be linked by blood." well it's just weird... That's what we said when reading spoilers of NT 7 before learning everything :) Can someone post the spoilers so I can see what was actually true? |
May 24, 2013 8:24 AM
#93
ssjokg said: Can someone post the spoilers so I can see what was actually true? Here you go: They are mostly right. I think there is one mistake in regards to Touma vs. Tsuchimikado. CreationBreaker said: ssjokg said: CreationBreaker said: Isnt NT7 coming out in about 6 days.How did that spoiler came to be?From what I hear, the 6th Level 5 is named Aihana Etsu Same way it came to be for NT06. Some guy released spoilers a week or two early and everyone said they were absurd and impossible. Some guy even went through reasons why they wouldn't happen. Then the volume gets translated and it turns out the spoilers were absolutely right. Now, the spoilers for NT07 have been released a couple of days ago and most people learned from their mistakes and accepted the spoilers. Hell, here they are: To Aru Majutsu No Index & Railgun Fan Page To Aru Majutsu No Index New Testament Volume 7 SPOILERS translated by js06!! WARNING DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED!: . . . >Touma wakes up in a closed room. Tsuchimikado calls him saying a Vajrayana magician named Umesaki Yuuga has entered the city and is using a spiritual item called Platform of the Wisdom King in the School Garden to steal the knowledge and powers of the city's espers. >Touma realizes he is in a box in a girl's locker room. The girls think he is trying to take hidden photo, so they chase him out. >Mikoto spots him running away and Misaki controls all of the girls to contact Touma. He explains the situation and Misaki gives him a map of the School Garden to help. >While searching for the spiritual item, Touma sees news of Maika having burned to death in her dorm. >When Tsuchimikado hears, he heads out to take revenge on the person who did it. >Maika was an unrelated girl taken from a non-AC orphanage as a fake family to help Tsuchimikado infiltrate the city. >Tsuchimikado learns the board of directors was involved. He threatens one of them (Yakumi Hisako) and learns that Kaizumi Tsugutoshi was behind it. >When Kumokawa Seria learns Tsuchimikado is coming to attack, she lessens the defenses and lures him in. >She almost defeats him despite having her right eye gouged out, but Tsuchimikado uses the eye in a spell and defeats her. >Before passing out, Kumokawa emails Touma for help. >Tsuchimikado reaches Kaizumi, but Kaizumi sees through to the fact that Tsuchimikado himself killed Maika. >He was investigating the Agitate Halation project and learned that his enemies would attack Maika, so he preemptively burned down her dorm to fake her death. >Maika is actually safely cleaning an empty car factory. >He is still angry at having to break his vow to keep her uninvolved with the city's dark side, so he vows to eliminate everyone involved in the project. >Tsuchimikado captures and tortures Kaizumi, but Kaizumi says he will be unable to kill him because the heroes will soon be arriving. It turns out Kaizuki was not behind the project and was actually trying to stop it as well. >Touma arrives due to Kumokawa's email. >Tsuchimikado had most feared Touma's interference, so he had given him the fake info about a magician to keep him busy. >Instead of explaining, Tsuchimikado fights and defeats Touma. Touma is angry and Kaizumi explains the situation and gives him data on the Agitate Halation project. >The project artificially makes Fremea a target of protection that uses a sense of justice and a desire to protect in order to control all the "heroes" surrounding her so that they will defeat each other. >Yakumi Hisako of the board of directors is behind it. >She wants to have Kuroyoru kill Fremea which is why Kuroyoru has been left alive. >Shiage and Saiai notice something is wrong while monitoring Fremea's dorm room. >It turns out the white rhino beetle (Kakine) sensed danger to her and took her away. >Yakumi appears before Shiage and Saiai and attacks with a swarm of selectively bred man-eating roaches. Saiai lets Shiage escape and confronts Yakumi. >Rensa, Yakumi's attendant, appears before Kuroyoru. >Rensa is a cyborg with her brain being the only human part. She was created in the Five Over project to single-handedly take on all of AC's Level 5s if they rebelled. She can use the powers of all the Level 5s except the #7. >Shiage shows up, but that was expected as part of the Agitate Halation project. >Shiage confronts Rensa. He knows they can't kill him because they need him as bait for the project, so he suggests a plan to Kuroyoru using that fact. >Kuroyoru doesn't trust him and refuses to go along with it, so his plan fails. He is injured and can no longer fight. Kuroyoru realizes he was telling the truth and regrets what she did. >Before they are killed, Touma appears. >Because IB can negate her powers, Rensa uses only her cyborg abilities to easily grab his neck and is about to use the #1's reflection to kill him >Rensa tries to take in the power of IB to attack Kuroyoru, but doing so destroys her arm and she can no longer fight. >Saiai uses her Offense Armor to easily repel the man-eating roaches, but Yakumi says the project has been activated and lets the roaches eat her own body >A computer calculates it out and reconstructs her as a thought being within the AIM field. >At the same time, heroes appear from all over AC to save Fremea. >Yakumi is messing with the AIM field to artificially give them a sense of justice and desire to protect her. A total of 7500 heroes appear. >They all want to save Fremea in their own way and see all the others as obstacles so they begin fighting. >Shigae realizes he cannot move any further, so he asks Touma to rescue Fremea. >Kakine leads Fremea to an institution called Learning Core, but it turns out Kakine was being controlled by Yakumi messing with the Dark Matter. >From the GPS signal, Touma realizes Fremea is in Learning Core, but loses her when Kakine destroys the GPS >The awakened heroes realize she is in Learning Core and rush there >Touma arrives and guesses Fremea is in the basement of a high-rise building called the Lightning Rod. >Accelerator detects something going on in the darkness of the city. >Item searches for Fremea >Misaki chases after Touma after he escaped the School Garden. >Mikoto chases after Misaki. >Gunha passes by and sees a burning botanical garden in the Learning Core and defeats the heroes so he can put out the fire >A boy appears who defeats the heroes with his bare hands and the heroes call him the #6. Misaki sees him from afar and sees that this is a fake #6. The #6's name is Aihana Etsu. >Touma finds Fremea, but then the supposedly defeated Rensa appears. >Rensa names herself #29 and says she is here because Rensa #28 from before failed. >According to #28, Rensa's body cost enough to put a major dent in the entire city's assets, but the human part (the hypothalamus) can be replaced and they have up to #40 stocked up. >Rensa tries to destroy the project with a bomb, but it does not go off and she uses Kakine instead. >Just before being fully taken over by Yakumi, Kakine had severed an insect-sized portion of himself which tracked down Fremea and disarmed the bomb. >Touma and Kakine confront Rensa #29. >Rensa #29 uses her cyborg abilities to seal off Touma's precog and uses Accelerator's black wings to attack and defeat Touma >As Fremea watches, she strongly wishes to protect rather than be protected and becomes able to see Yakumi in the form of an AIM thought being. >This causes Fremea to no longer be a target of protection and destroys the Agitate Halation project >Fremea can now interfere with the AIM thought being and unwittingly sends Yakumi into Rensa. >This causes Rensa's body to go out of control just like when she tried to take in IB, but she still managed to bring out Accelerator's white wings. >Her being sent out of control brings back Touma's precog and he face punches her into submission >IB negated most of the thought being, but Yakumi escapes via the backup prepared in the man-eating roaches. >However, Fraulein Kreutune appears and eats enough of her to neutralize her. >Touma, Shiage, and Kuroyoru are sent to the same hospital and Hamazura hears about everything from Touma >Touma retrieved all the living parts of the 40 Rensas and left them with a doctor >Tsuchimikado is shot by Kumokawa and Kumokawa reports he has been killed to Kaizumi, but she faked it with a paint bullet filled with his blood. Her right eye has been healed >Maika and Index visit Touma while complaining about their circumstances. and darn it... I just realized that the girl who talked about the milk wasn't Shokuhou but someone random... happiness level slightly diminished... lol, but I'm not so sure that's a bad thing... |
dnivMay 24, 2013 8:29 AM
May 24, 2013 9:19 AM
#94
dniv said: Also, I doubt Shokuhou could have made Touma like Onee-sama's.... I thought this for a little while, but Touma lost his memories... and she seems like she wouldn't touch a single hair on his head if it hurt him in a way that she didn't find pleasing and that he would get mad at. The only was I could see Shokuhou using her powers to make Touma have a crush on her is if she didn't really like him and was just teasing Mikoto, I was leaning more towards Touma meeting her, and his crush developed naturally. His memories may have been destroyed, but that still leaves his personality largely (somehwhat?) intact (at least that's how I feel), and so he still has the crush, but he only has the vague feeling of liking an onee-san. |
May 24, 2013 9:25 AM
#95
CallMeIshmael said: dniv said: Also, I doubt Shokuhou could have made Touma like Onee-sama's.... I thought this for a little while, but Touma lost his memories... and she seems like she wouldn't touch a single hair on his head if it hurt him in a way that she didn't find pleasing and that he would get mad at. The only was I could see Shokuhou using her powers to make Touma have a crush on her is if she didn't really like him and was just teasing Mikoto, I was leaning more towards Touma meeting her, and his crush developed naturally. His memories may have been destroyed, but that still leaves his personality largely (somehwhat?) intact (at least that's how I feel), and so he still has the crush, but he only has the vague feeling of liking an onee-san. Lastly, all he has to do is touch his head which he has done to negate any of her powers effects on him. I'm not even sure how much her powers would even work on him considering that not even agitate halation had an effect on him (this was said by Kihara Yuiitsu in the epilogue). considering all that I highly doubt she could even affect his memories... personality... or anything else at all... He's probably immune to her. |
May 24, 2013 9:42 AM
#96
May 24, 2013 10:10 AM
#97
Good points, I can't believe I forgot that. I think that pretty much solidifies her attraction as genuine, him being immune means they could be equals. After all, she seems to have a friendly rivalry with Mikoto because of it. Gives me more hope for ToumaXShokuhou, a mutual relationship without the threat of physical harm (Index, Mikoto - I'm looking at you), and given that my first impressions of her were colored by Mikoto's apparent dislike, this volume has really changed my view of Shokuhou. |
May 24, 2013 10:28 AM
#98
CallMeIshmael said: Good points, I can't believe I forgot that. I think that pretty much solidifies her attraction as genuine, him being immune means they could be equals. After all, she seems to have a friendly rivalry with Mikoto because of it. Gives me more hope for ToumaXShokuhou, a mutual relationship without the threat of physical harm (Index, Mikoto - I'm looking at you), and given that my first impressions of her were colored by Mikoto's apparent dislike, this volume has really changed my view of Shokuhou. I know right? Why do you think I am really liking her in this volume. She still harms Touma mentally and freaks him out by teasing him though. (pun intended) That was my first thought... She actually seems like she would be a much better person to have as a girlfriend as long as she couldn't brainwash you e.g. you had invulnerability to it :) Also... so next installment: Index SSS light novel July 24, 2013. will be released with the railgun S DVDs. Even though it is a tentative release date, I'm pretty sure he can make that date. Kamachi is incredibly fast at writing. |
dnivMay 24, 2013 12:03 PM
May 24, 2013 12:03 PM
#99
Sorry for double posting: Darn it! I just realized Kamachi spoiled the ending of the Daihasesai arc in the railgun manga because of what Misaki said in NT 7. When Misaki describes the powers that she can use to Touma, the powers she describes to him are her normal powers not the same exact powers that railgun manga chapter 59 states that Exterior gives to her !!!!! Why did you do this to me Kamachi? |
dnivMay 24, 2013 3:25 PM
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