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| Lmao so much hate for the art style which wasn't even bad at all. Sure it isn't like the manga or what you are used to seeing in a typical anime, but I think this style best tenses up the vibe for this type of show. It could be very interesting and I'm actually looking forward to it. |
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| I...have no idea what I just watched. This animation looks like it was something from the 80's or something..maybe even worse. I had such high hopes for this...what were the producers thinking? This, is just plain SAD. |
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Tyrel said: bastek66 said: Kill it with fire Yep, dropped. I can't stand that. Thank you for shining such hope onto us. Me too, I can't stand it. Too painful to watch, I can't even add it to MAL, 24 minutes are too much to endure this pain. |
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| I read the manga,and see this as a sick joke,no i could actually give a chance,the atmosphere,the music they are allright,though the episode got nowhere could still be somehow good ALTHOUGH i don't usually look serious about animation,but this animation gave me a fuckin hadache and make me fell nauseous,seriolys i couldn't watch it completely my eyes are in pain(for real) i drop it,my eyes doesn't deserve it. |
Orsonius said: Wow... I knew MAL was full of people with no taste or understanding of anything. People who rate mediocre shit 10/10 and so on. But to be this stupid... wow. Let me just give my Impression: Animation Well it is hard to talk about animation if this show was most likely rotoshopped. Very unique indeed, very artsy. Those who know A Scanner Darkly know what that means. So it's hard to judge animation based on that fact. I think it looks damn cool. The backgrounds are detailed and realistic, and the coolest effect is how realistic the motions look like. I guess it's hard to appreciate but really folks calm down. Story / Setting Besides most school anime this one has actually a real dark tone. It's more realistic than pretty much any anime I've ever seen (most likely due the fact it was filmed with life action actors). But just listen to the conversations. Everything is very natural and realistic. This is how people in japanese schools actually are! Not you typical school anime characters. The episode was a bit slow but I guess it's more to introduce you to it's unique style. All I can say is, it is most likely about the book he is reading (since it's the name of the anime) and will be a psychological Horro (at least that is what I hope for). I am really interested. And also intrigued that something so artsy comes out in the mids of all these generic shows. Characters What can I say, I don't know if they were actual humans I have to read up on this. But they are the most realistic cast I've ever seen. Nothing much to say since they were introduced very sketchy. Sound I love the score. minimalistic ambient really gives you a great atmosphere and fits the show well. The Opening was totally out of place and I personally hated it for that. The ending song was really awesome. Damn I'm fucking impressed here! Overall this show can be something really important for this season. It is a beacon in this dark time of anime where all we get is generic school anime and fanservice. Not that I dislike that, it's just nice to see something that isn't generic. Did you read any of the comments...people are simply complaining about how the animation is not even close to how the manga depicts it's characters. Most of those same people love the manga which I would assume is more because of the story. The art has become front and center because it is a freaking eye sore. This rotoshop is not "artsy". It's awful. As your own freaking profile says "First of all, all reviews/ratings are subjective, whoever tells you otherwise doesn't know what he/she is talking about." Yes subjective. You like the art (minority) and others don't (majority). I for one will read the manga so I can actually enjoy the narrative. However, I don't agree with people slapping seriously low ratings on a show bc of one factor. Even if that factor completely deterred you from watching. Just drop it and leave the score blank. |
IZEROIIApr 5, 2013 4:24 PM
| How horrifying... I'm so done... maybe this was actually a late april fools joke.(︶︹︺) |
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| For those of you who are defending this abomination, either: - You haven't watched a series with rotocoping done properly - You don't know how a correct rotoscope works Rotoscope done right, its plausible. Rotoscope done wrong, please fuck off. With the so called "unique" character design as a side dish, no one is going to take this seriously. This shouldn't be even classified as "anime" to begin with. |
| I am amused at the people reactions. I would prefer they kept the manga art but I don't mind this artsy approach, certainly not worth the overreactions in this thread, I am intrigued and will keep watching |
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| I don't really know what this is about yet and what the tone for this should be. I'm not going to say the art is amazing but it definitely isn't as bad as people claim it is. Sure it's not your "every character looks beautiful" type of animation but maybe it'll fit the atmosphere of the show. From the videos I've seen of japanese people I can say the prettiness of the characters doesn't deviate that much from the average japanese. I prefer this style to the oversized eyes, weird face proportions, a dot for a nose and rainbow hair colours, especially considering what I think will be the general atmosphere of the show. The detail I liked the most about the animation were the eyes. I can finally see an anime where japanese people have japanese eyes. |
| Yes the art is bad to some people. However it was a good episode it set the mood well. If it really is as fucked up as people say, I'll be so happy. |
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| Imagine this scene from the manga in the anime form http://i.imgur.com/BpFumNM.jpg |
IZEROII said: Did you read any of the comments...people are simply complaining about how the animation is not even close to how the manga depicts it's characters. Most of those same people love the manga which I would assume is more because of the story. The art has become front and center because it is a freaking eye sore. This rotoshop is not "artsy". It's awful. As your own freaking profile says "First of all, all reviews/ratings are subjective, whoever tells you otherwise doesn't know what he/she is talking about." Yes subjective. You like the art (minority) and others don't (majority). I for one will read the manga so I can actually enjoy the narrative. However, I don't agree with people slapping seriously low ratings on a show bc of one factor. Even if that factor completely deterred you from watching. Just drop it and leave the score blank. I am reading through them. And there are A) people who complain about it not looking like the manga well okay what can I say I watched this without prior knowledge of it. B) People who complain about the "character design" and "animation quality" To those all I can say is. well Japanese people look like this. Are you fucking stupid? These are real human beings, the character design is basically evolution. This is how humans look like (when you rotoscope them). And the fun part is, that people with the most generic shows in their top 5 complain about that. It's okay if you don't like this typ of style, but please don't be retarded. Comments like "did they have 100yen to animate this?" just show you how ignorant people are. They don't even understand that this is a live action show with an animation effect layed over the actual footage. Okay dislike it because you dislike rotoscope. But don't be a retard. and 90% of people complaining are just stupid. |
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bastek66 said: Kill it with fire |
andun44 said: I don't really know what this is about yet and what the tone for this should be. I'm not going to say the art is amazing but it definitely isn't as bad as people claim it is. Sure it's not your "every character looks beautiful" type of animation but maybe it'll fit the atmosphere of the show. From the videos I've seen of japanese people I can say the prettiness of the characters doesn't deviate that much from the average japanese. I prefer this style to the oversized eyes, weird face proportions, a dot for a nose and rainbow hair colours, especially considering what I think will be the general atmosphere of the show. The detail I liked the most about the animation were the eyes. I can finally see an anime where japanese people have japanese eyes. And yet another comment where one assumes anime is either as you described or the horrid shit you are enjoying in this show. Give yourself 5 minutes and think of the dozens of examples you'll come up with where the animation fit the "atmosphere" well enough. They could went a different way with the art and still captured the same eerie atmosphere. It would of appeased the manga fans and newcomers. |
| Isn't a bad art style one of the best ways to weed out the shitstains? You guys are shitstains, btw. |
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chococya96 said: For those of you who are defending this abomination, either: - You haven't watched a series with rotocoping done properly - You don't know how a correct rotoscope works I have, about 2 hours ago. It is called Aku no Hana. Besides that, i have seen a lot of old Fleischer shorties and Bakshies LOTR, so i know a bit about this style of animation. I also know, that this is technically...imperfect. But it works. It is exactly like it needs to be for this show. Yeah, it's ugly and choppy, that's why it's good. This show does not try to look gorgeous; If you want something like that, watch a SHAFT show or Hyouka. This show tries to deliver something with it's style and it saddens me to see all this effort wasted on this so called anime community. |
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| GODDAMN, even "unique" should have limits.........damn. |
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Orsonius said: IZEROII said: Did you read any of the comments...people are simply complaining about how the animation is not even close to how the manga depicts it's characters. Most of those same people love the manga which I would assume is more because of the story. The art has become front and center because it is a freaking eye sore. This rotoshop is not "artsy". It's awful. As your own freaking profile says "First of all, all reviews/ratings are subjective, whoever tells you otherwise doesn't know what he/she is talking about." Yes subjective. You like the art (minority) and others don't (majority). I for one will read the manga so I can actually enjoy the narrative. However, I don't agree with people slapping seriously low ratings on a show bc of one factor. Even if that factor completely deterred you from watching. Just drop it and leave the score blank. I am reading through them. And there are A) people who complain about it not looking like the manga well okay what can I say I watched this without prior knowledge of it. B) People who complain about the "character design" and "animation quality" To those all I can say is. well Japanese people look like this. Are you fucking stupid? These are real human beings, the character design is basically evolution. This is how humans look like (when you rotoscope them). And the fun part is, that people with the most generic shows in their top 5 complain about that. It's okay if you don't like this typ of style, but please don't be retarded. Comments like "did they have 100yen to animate this?" just show you how ignorant people are. They don't even understand that this is a live action show with an animation effect layed over the actual footage. Okay dislike it because you dislike rotoscope. But don't be a retard. and 90% of people complaining are just stupid. Isn't that the root of the complaint? You are watching anime. Not live action. That in itself is a strong foundation to launch complaints off of. Again what you consider to be generic and crap may be generic and wonderful to another. Following up on your profile's point on subjectivity. Eye of the beholder. Etc. Typically when something this shocking comes about it breeds sarcasm. You getting upset about it is wasted time. Plus for all we know rotoshopping is significantly cheaper. I honestly don't know lol. The only thing I find disappointing about all this (second to the atrocious animation choice) is that the majority won't pick up the manga to at least enjoy the story. |
| And this reactions is why I hate the anime fandom. People try to do something different and it gets this treatment. |
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| Better than Photokano |
Soulstrider said: And this reactions is why I hate the anime fandom. People try to do something different and it gets this treatment. This. |
| In 9/10 cases, the worst thing about an anime is its fandom. |
Nucksen said: Soulstrider said: And this reactions is why I hate the anime fandom. People try to do something different and it gets this treatment. This. So because it's different people are suppose to support it? Doing something different is a risk. This risk didn't pay off. That's life. Want to try something different. Do it with the narrative. Live action cover up is not what anime fans want. |
Nucksen said: chococya96 said: For those of you who are defending this abomination, either: - You haven't watched a series with rotocoping done properly - You don't know how a correct rotoscope works I have, about 2 hours ago. It is called Aku no Hana. Enjoy your abomination then. After all, no one is forcing you to stop watching the show. |
| What the fuck were they thinking when they made this? I can't believe this was greenlit. An anime's purpose is to either promote the source material ( In this case, the manga, which they've already failed to promote what with the radical change in design ), and/or sell and make a profit. They failed the former, and will fail the latter. This shit was barely watchable. |
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Soulstrider said: And this reactions is why I hate the anime fandom. People try to do something different and it gets this treatment. +1 here. This show doesn't even feel the slightest bit like anime, and not just by the art. That was like "real" school life, not the fantasies done in other shows. And that music.... it set such an ominous atmosphere. This show is daring to do something different, I respect that. Looks real interesting and will keep following it. |
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| Just let the people who didn't like it keep complaining.People can go ahead and drop the average down to a 2, idc this is looking to be an enticing thriller. I bet most of you would find shows like Kaiji and Akagi petrifying. |
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IZEROII said: Nucksen said: Soulstrider said: And this reactions is why I hate the anime fandom. People try to do something different and it gets this treatment. This. So because it's different people are suppose to support it? Doing something different is a risk. This risk didn't pay off. That's life. Want to try something different. Do it with the narrative. Live action cover up is not what anime fans want. It's different, but poorly executed. Typical animation does not fit AnH, but that rotoscope is NOT good. |
EdenBaggins said: IZEROII said: Nucksen said: Soulstrider said: And this reactions is why I hate the anime fandom. People try to do something different and it gets this treatment. This. So because it's different people are suppose to support it? Doing something different is a risk. This risk didn't pay off. That's life. Want to try something different. Do it with the narrative. Live action cover up is not what anime fans want. It's different, but poorly executed. Typical animation does not fit AnH, but that rotoscope is NOT good. Does it NEED to be good? |
| In 9/10 cases, the worst thing about an anime is its fandom. |
IZEROII said: And yet another comment where one assumes anime is either as you described or the horrid shit you are enjoying in this show. Give yourself 5 minutes and think of the dozens of examples you'll come up with where the animation fit the "atmosphere" well enough. They could went a different way with the art and still captured the same eerie atmosphere. It would of appeased the manga fans and newcomers. I never said there are only those two types of animation. I'm not saying this one is a perfect fit and nothing else will do, I'm saying that this fits well enough and better than most styles. Anyway I can't think of any other anime right now that used this rotoscoping technique so I can't compare it to others. I know that there were a lot of flaws (well, some weren't flaws to me but from what I've read in some forums anything that deviates from the standard distorted anime face is flawed) throughout the episode but overall it wasn't that bad. Maybe it was just a QUALITY episode, like many of Psycho-Pass' episodes. Even if it wasn't, what you call horrid shit is easier to watch than a lot of popular shows out there. IZEROII said: So because it's different people are suppose to support it? Doing something different is a risk. This risk didn't pay off. That's life. Want to try something different. Do it with the narrative. Live action cover up is not what anime fans want. I think the whole discussion around one single episode of this anime shows you that not everyone has the same expectations of anime. I for one watch it for the big variety of stories and the fact that the episodes are rather short compared to western TV shows. Whether it's a live action cover up or not doesn't affect the enjoyment I get. |
| Are you fucking with me what kind of belated april joke is this crap? you dont do shit with the masterpiece aku no hana you do it on other crap manga. |
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Gash_V-D_Hetchum said: Nucksen said: Soulstrider said: And this reactions is why I hate the anime fandom. People try to do something different and it gets this treatment. This. Do I even need to say it. I feel like abandoning these shit forums right about now. I just hope the following threads will consist of the people who actually liked this and have reasonable stuff to say, and the whiners stay away. Sadly, this won't happen. Hate is so easy and to many hating is so much fun |
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| Dropped so hard, I wish I was behind tor. Now my ISP will send me a letter telling me why I downloaded this. |
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Nucksen said: EdenBaggins said: IZEROII said: Nucksen said: Soulstrider said: And this reactions is why I hate the anime fandom. People try to do something different and it gets this treatment. This. So because it's different people are suppose to support it? Doing something different is a risk. This risk didn't pay off. That's life. Want to try something different. Do it with the narrative. Live action cover up is not what anime fans want. It's different, but poorly executed. Typical animation does not fit AnH, but that rotoscope is NOT good. Does it NEED to be good? Wouldn't that make it more enjoyable?! |
Nucksen said: Not sure if serious.EdenBaggins said: IZEROII said: Nucksen said: Soulstrider said: And this reactions is why I hate the anime fandom. People try to do something different and it gets this treatment. This. So because it's different people are suppose to support it? Doing something different is a risk. This risk didn't pay off. That's life. Want to try something different. Do it with the narrative. Live action cover up is not what anime fans want. It's different, but poorly executed. Typical animation does not fit AnH, but that rotoscope is NOT good. Does it NEED to be good? |
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EdenBaggins said: I love the manga and I was extremely happy when I heard it was getting an anime adaptation. Do you have any idea how I felt when I saw how it turned out? I would be fine if Aku no Hana were a novel with no prior character designs and IF the rotoscope was actually done well. How can you expect someone who is familiar with the manga to like this adaptation? I'm writing as someone who enjoyed the manga, and not as someone new to the world of Aku no Hana. (if that were the case I would probably be a lot less judgmental) I liked the atmosfere, the sound, the ending was interesting... and that's it. I hated the opening, the rotoscope was badly done, I was pissed at the character designs (I mean, look at Nakamura) and overall it was very painful to watch. THIS. Nothing more to say. I love the manga and when I saw this I thought "seriously, what have they done?" I probably won't mind that animation if the character design were faithful to the original. But... damn... those are creepy characters. Btw, the music fits the atmosphere of the show, but the op & and ed are just awful. However, I think I'll keep watching |
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IZEROII said: Isn't that the root of the complaint? You are watching anime. Not live action. That in itself is a strong foundation to launch complaints off of. Again what you consider to be generic and crap may be generic and wonderful to another. Following up on your profile's point on subjectivity. Eye of the beholder. Etc. Typically when something this shocking comes about it breeds sarcasm. You getting upset about it is wasted time. Plus for all we know rotoshopping is significantly cheaper. I honestly don't know lol. The only thing I find disappointing about all this (second to the atrocious animation choice) is that the majority won't pick up the manga to at least enjoy the story. This is the only legitemate complain to be honest. It's questionable if this show should be considered an anime instead of a Live action show. Since it blurs the line it's hard to tell. i could be blunt and say, well it is not drawn therefor it is not an anime. But cgi is also not drawn and counts as animation. And then we could go on and on. I appreciate it for what it is. Anime or not. It was a unique experience. About the subjective thing. Yes well it's about what you expect of a show. Your expectations, your standards. If your standards are low, well you will enjoy mostly everything. It your standards are high you will enjoy very little. Both is legit. But I am confused to see that people whos standards are so low that they are willing to give 10s to every show are so damn upset about one show that tries something totally out of the ordinary. It just shows me what kind of silly community MAL truly has. |
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Gash_V-D_Hetchum said: Nucksen said: Soulstrider said: And this reactions is why I hate the anime fandom. People try to do something different and it gets this treatment. This. Do I even need to say it. I feel like abandoning these shit forums right about now. I just hope the following threads will consist of the people who actually liked this and have reasonable stuff to say, and the whiners stay away. I agree. How can people possibly dare to voice a different opinion than my own on a public forum. |
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| Is this the next overhyped show being run into the ground? |
| That was beautiful. My favorite show thus far. |
| The author should stop zexcs for animating the manga further Feel sorry for the author This is surely gonna be remembered as one of the ugliest anime in the decade I wonder would it be successful if they could somehow fix the art? XD |
| Fucking disguting. I'll stick to the manga Why are people defending this? I mean I understand that you like the manga too but fuck open your eyes. |
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EdenBaggins said: Nucksen said: EdenBaggins said: IZEROII said: Nucksen said: Soulstrider said: And this reactions is why I hate the anime fandom. People try to do something different and it gets this treatment. This. So because it's different people are suppose to support it? Doing something different is a risk. This risk didn't pay off. That's life. Want to try something different. Do it with the narrative. Live action cover up is not what anime fans want. It's different, but poorly executed. Typical animation does not fit AnH, but that rotoscope is NOT good. Does it NEED to be good? Wouldn't that make it more enjoyable?! I don't think Aku no Hana tries to be enjoyable. The name is no coincidence. This show revolves about the ideas and philosophy of Baudelaire, put in a modern setting. I've read quit a lot of the Fleurs du mal poems and everything, including the character design is well thought out to correspond with Baudelaires idea of society and humanity(and those are very pessimistic, almost to the point of nihilism). |
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Lately said: Just let the people who didn't like it keep complaining.People can go ahead and drop the average down to a 2, idc this is looking to be an enticing thriller. I bet most of you would find shows like Kaiji and Akagi petrifying. "Eww, the characters look so fat!" "Eww their eyes don't look big enough!" "Eww, there are no panty shots! No moe! Woe is me! DROPPED!!!" "Aw man, I can't fap to this! DROPPED!" Lol you MAL folks are funny. Keep it up. |
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