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Oct 22, 2010 12:24 PM
#1
| for those that have read the current chapters of OP may already know that the bounty for Luffy is B400,000,000(confirmed with Pacifista in ch.601) Since everyone was theorizing(pre-timeskip) that it should have been double his previous bounty(or even more), especially after his fiasco with the previous arc at Impel and the Great War(and also his dealing with the Tenryuubito), do you reckon the extra B100,000,000 justifies it? I just find it hard to agree with such amount when the guy did the impossible throughout the OP world....so what are your thoughts? |
TensaiShonenOct 22, 2010 12:35 PM
Oct 22, 2010 2:58 PM
#2
| 100m is more than enough... The highest we had seen prior to this 400m was doflamingo at 340m, he is a powerful shichibukai... For all we know Gol D. Roger could have only had a 500m bounty, after 300m every 1m increase could mean more than from 100-300m... We wont know until the other 'top' pirates have their bounties revealed! All that matters for now is that luffy is the highest bounty we have seen so far, which is more than enough indication that the WG looks at him as a big threat. Final note... After entering the New World, bounties wont mean anything, take BB as an example... Enough saaaaaaaid |
Oct 22, 2010 3:24 PM
#3
| yeah, thought it wasnt enough, but its good.. comparing with Doflamingo 340.. |
Oct 22, 2010 4:08 PM
#4
| your forgetting that doflamingo was at 340 and then it stopped after being called a shichibukai.....if he stayed as a pirate, like the rest of the shichibukai, I'm pretty sure he would have had a higher bounty your looking at that the highest so far mentioned in an interview with Oda is Enel being B500,000,000 if he had a bounty on his head I'm not saying Luffy should have a ridiculous amount, but adding an extra 100 after what he did in the last few arcs is like a slap on the wrist |
Oct 22, 2010 4:11 PM
#5
| While 500,000,000 is too low, it would still be better than having 400. I'm wondering if Oda is using the low Bounty raise as a way for the WG to downplay how important Luffy is. I'd argue that what he's done in the last 75 chapters has been far bigger than anything he did up to that point. So it would warrant a much higher raise. |
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Oct 22, 2010 4:56 PM
#6
| my guess is that after everyone seeing Luffy take down a pacifista in ch.601, I'm gathering this will gauge the marines to seeing how powerful Luffy is now which will give them motive to raise his bounty this is just my theory, but I'm thinking they left it at 400 as luffy was still a rookie at that time(making him the highest bounty for the supernovas), and did not take into account 2yrs later that he'd be on par(or close) to maybe a yonkou now? I'm pretty sure after what's-her-name(could never remember that fat chick's name with the pacifista's) had fought Luffy, this will give indication that 400 may not be enough, and this will also give reason for Zoro and Sanji to get their bounties raised as well |
Oct 23, 2010 6:00 AM
#7
| i think after pacifista, ALL THE CREW will have new bounties.. like Zoro and Sanji new ones. and probably Luffy.. though 500 000 would be nice but that would make luffy the highest bounty of the series =\ |
Oct 23, 2010 6:00 AM
#8
| i think after pacifista, ALL THE CREW will have new bounties.. like Zoro and Sanji new ones. and probably Luffy.. though 500 000 would be nice but that would make luffy the highest bounty of the series =\ |
Oct 23, 2010 6:17 AM
#9
| Considering we don't know how high the bounties of the top pirates are, I think the 100 000 increase was fine. I would of liked to see it get even higher, but I believe the 100 000 was justified. I do hope the fact that they completely owned Pacifistas is well recognized, and that the Marines and other pirates begin to understand how much stronger they really have become, and leads to perhaps higher bounties for the crew, and perhaps Luffy. |
Oct 24, 2010 8:29 AM
#10
| Talking about bounties, I would love to see a bounty hunter. |
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Oct 24, 2010 9:08 AM
#11
| marines saw sanji and zoro in last chapter pwning pacifista px5 i hope they will get an update |
Oct 24, 2010 9:29 AM
#12
smokes said: i think after pacifista, ALL THE CREW will have new bounties.. Please let Chopper stay at B50 XD |
Oct 24, 2010 3:48 PM
#13
Zalxoras said: smokes said: i think after pacifista, ALL THE CREW will have new bounties.. Please let Chopper stay at B50 XD Nah, move it up too 75 or 100. lol |
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Oct 25, 2010 5:31 AM
#14
| I don't think Oda will raise Luffy's bounty just yet, at least until he introduces the yonkous' and the top pirates' bounties in the New World.. Nah, I think Chopper should get a decent bounty, I felt sorry for him having B50... I think he will wait to raise the crew's pirates until a big event involving all of them, prolly until after Fishman's island arc. |
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Oct 25, 2010 7:44 AM
#15
| ^luffy already has 4000000... about chopper.. yeah xD 100 will be just fine xD or 75.. its just for the lulz xD |
Oct 25, 2010 10:01 AM
#16
| I know it's already 400mil, but that raise was already set after the whole Whitebeard arc, but shown after the 2 years time skip, so another raise after Fishman's island wouldn't really be weird. Though, I want the crew's bounty to raise further more. |
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Oct 25, 2010 10:26 AM
#17
| ^yeah we already talked that.. i think all the crew ill get an update NOW, not after fishman island.. marines already saw Sanji and Zoro.. we just need another action scenes with other crewmembers |
Oct 25, 2010 11:04 AM
#18
| one thing I'm surprised with is that all the strawhat crew were together when the tenryuubito incident had taken place and yet not one of their bounties ad gone up....aren't the tenryuubito meant to be like the top of the food chain? or is the only punishment you get when you cross their path is an admiral and a warship? |
Oct 25, 2010 11:34 AM
#19
| I believe in Kuma's report after the whole Kizaru incident, it said all the straw hat crew were annihilated, after Luffy showed up in Impel Down and the war on Navy HQ, they mentioned Kuma's false report. Still, the others didn't show any appearance in front of the marines, so there's really no need to raise their bounties. |
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Oct 25, 2010 12:38 PM
#20
| ^they will when they will get out of the island maybe.. like some marines ships running after them or many other marines.. and they just killing them, showing their powers xD maybe franky will show some new cool stuff with the shit.. like shooting lasers :D |
Oct 25, 2010 2:16 PM
#21
| lol Franky shooting Beams will get Chopper and Luffy in a trance mode |
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Oct 26, 2010 2:46 AM
#22
| no, 400 mil is just adjusted for inflation. after the mayhem created by luffy, the world government needed more money to rebuild the marine hq. hence, the inflation of the beri. |
Oct 26, 2010 4:57 AM
#23
| I think 400m is too low. When Luffy punched a Tenryuubito I thought that was already worthy of a 100m Beri increase. Thought they were super mighty important, but I guess I was wrong. And if it takes Luffy having to punch a Tenryuubito, break into AND escape the inescapable Impel Down, enter the biggest war known to the OP universe(not to mention being publicly announced as Dragon's son) AND THEN return to shake the world once more by returning to the public and embarrassing the WG to earn an extra measly 100m he might as well have stayed the same bounty until he did something more incredible. An extra 100m is chump change compared to his actions thus far. Meh- I guess I'm just used to his bounty increasing more than double each time though. IIRC it went from 30 to 100 to 300. So going from 300 to 400 isn't much for me. Like I said, chump change. |
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Oct 26, 2010 7:59 AM
#24
MistaCloudStrife said: I think 400m is too low. When Luffy punched a Tenryuubito I thought that was already worthy of a 100m Beri increase. Thought they were super mighty important, but I guess I was wrong. And if it takes Luffy having to punch a Tenryuubito, break into AND escape the inescapable Impel Down, enter the biggest war known to the OP universe(not to mention being publicly announced as Dragon's son) AND THEN return to shake the world once more by returning to the public and embarrassing the WG to earn an extra measly 100m he might as well have stayed the same bounty until he did something more incredible. An extra 100m is chump change compared to his actions thus far. Meh- I guess I'm just used to his bounty increasing more than double each time though. IIRC it went from 30 to 100 to 300. So going from 300 to 400 isn't much for me. Like I said, chump change. Exactly. In fact if it weren't for Ace's stupidity Luffy very well may have pulled off breaking him out. Like I said, he did more within those 75 chapters than he's done in the entire series. I just don't see how that only gets a 100m increase. |
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Oct 26, 2010 8:56 AM
#25
Gunbladewarrior said: MistaCloudStrife said: I think 400m is too low. When Luffy punched a Tenryuubito I thought that was already worthy of a 100m Beri increase. Thought they were super mighty important, but I guess I was wrong. And if it takes Luffy having to punch a Tenryuubito, break into AND escape the inescapable Impel Down, enter the biggest war known to the OP universe(not to mention being publicly announced as Dragon's son) AND THEN return to shake the world once more by returning to the public and embarrassing the WG to earn an extra measly 100m he might as well have stayed the same bounty until he did something more incredible. An extra 100m is chump change compared to his actions thus far. Meh- I guess I'm just used to his bounty increasing more than double each time though. IIRC it went from 30 to 100 to 300. So going from 300 to 400 isn't much for me. Like I said, chump change. Exactly. In fact if it weren't for Ace's stupidity Luffy very well may have pulled off breaking him out. Like I said, he did more within those 75 chapters than he's done in the entire series. I just don't see how that only gets a 100m increase. Because Luffy wasn't an established threat early on in the series! When Luffy beat up Arlong, Buggy and Don Krieg, the WG thought Luffy was an enemy, but not a strong one because he came from East blue (the weakest of the four seas) and defeated weak East blue enemies. Thus, with the acknowledgment of his arrival as a pirate but not a direct threat, the WG gave him a 30 mil bounty. Then he goes and defeats a Shichibukai. This is cause for concern. Luffy is becoming more of a threat to the WG, but Crocodile (if I remember correclty) was considered one of the weakest Shichibukai and was a problem child (more-so than the others). Thus, the WG bumped him up to 100 million...which is pretty big, but not yet on the level of a direct threat to the WG. Then came Enies Lobby, where Luffy literally proclaimed he was waging war on the WG by burning their flag (huge symbolic repercussions) and took down the impenetrable Enies Lobby all in the process of rescuing a most-wanted criminal in Nico Robin. This act was the first time the WG was hurt so directly. Not to mention the news is caused around the world. That's why they bumped his bounty via a huge raise to 300 million. Luffy was now a direct enemy of the WG. He dealt them a direct blow. Now we come to the entrance of the New World. Luffy is already among the highest of the Supernovas. Yes, he breaks into and out of Impel Down and raids Marineford, rescuing his brother. Keep in mind, the Impel Down was with Ivankov and Buggy (yes, Buggy didn't really do anything, but he was still officially recognized by the WG as being one of the breakout masterminds, thus, sharing the blame). In addition, he rescued Ace with the help of Whitebeard as his crew. Then Luffy goes unconscious and Blackbeard - possibly the biggest threat to the WG appears and steals Whitebeard's devil fruit powers. After the war, if you read all of the translations (granted they are correct), Luffy is thought to be dead and the Strawhat pirates disbanded!!! Everyone keeps saying that in the past few chapters. So why bother giving a huge bounty to a dead person? The only reason his poster is still in circulation is b/c the WG do not have his body (remember, dead or alive). In addition, the WG knows Luffy's next step is the New World. The WG most likely knows what kind of adversaries and pirates are out there. 300 million was a huge bounty of the first half of the Grand Line. If you keep in mind that all the big time pirates are in the New World, the WG probably does not think that Luffy can measure up to them (especially because Luffy was consistently defeated by people during the war - Smoker, the Admirals, etc.), but because of all the trouble he's caused, they give him a 400 million raise up. Again, Luffy is at the entrance of the New World (and a 400 million bounty at this entrance is arguably equivalent to the 30 million bounty at the start of the Grand Line). To give Luffy a bounty any higher would be an insult to the pirates that already exist in the New World that are undoubtedly stronger than Luffy, and most likely pose a much higher threat level to them. Then again, this is the New World. We all know any pirate that we see now is strong. Thus, bounties shouldn't mean squat and as a result, there was no point to this argument to begin with. |
VK11Oct 26, 2010 9:12 AM
Oct 26, 2010 9:10 AM
#26
| yeah, if you turn your brains on, 400 actually makes sense.. plus they think luffy's dead. we should expect another bounty soon after pacifista incident |
Oct 26, 2010 9:55 AM
#27
smokes said: yeah, if you turn your brains on, 400 actually makes sense.. plus they think luffy's dead. we should expect another bounty soon after pacifista incident So because someone may not agree with how it was raised it means their brain isn't on? Hilarious. |
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Oct 26, 2010 11:42 AM
#28
| ^ wat? i wasn't referring that to nobody.. i was just talking to myself |
Oct 26, 2010 12:58 PM
#29
| Oh. Nvm then. :| |
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Oct 26, 2010 9:23 PM
#30
vindemon64 said: Because Luffy wasn't an established threat early on in the series! When Luffy beat up Arlong, Buggy and Don Krieg, the WG thought Luffy was an enemy, but not a strong one because he came from East blue (the weakest of the four seas) and defeated weak East blue enemies. Thus, with the acknowledgment of his arrival as a pirate but not a direct threat, the WG gave him a 30 mil bounty. Then he goes and defeats a Shichibukai. This is cause for concern. Luffy is becoming more of a threat to the WG, but Crocodile (if I remember correclty) was considered one of the weakest Shichibukai and was a problem child (more-so than the others). Thus, the WG bumped him up to 100 million...which is pretty big, but not yet on the level of a direct threat to the WG. Then came Enies Lobby, where Luffy literally proclaimed he was waging war on the WG by burning their flag (huge symbolic repercussions) and took down the impenetrable Enies Lobby all in the process of rescuing a most-wanted criminal in Nico Robin. This act was the first time the WG was hurt so directly. Not to mention the news is caused around the world. That's why they bumped his bounty via a huge raise to 300 million. Luffy was now a direct enemy of the WG. He dealt them a direct blow. Now we come to the entrance of the New World. Luffy is already among the highest of the Supernovas. Yes, he breaks into and out of Impel Down and raids Marineford, rescuing his brother. Keep in mind, the Impel Down was with Ivankov and Buggy (yes, Buggy didn't really do anything, but he was still officially recognized by the WG as being one of the breakout masterminds, thus, sharing the blame). In addition, he rescued Ace with the help of Whitebeard as his crew. Then Luffy goes unconscious and Blackbeard - possibly the biggest threat to the WG appears and steals Whitebeard's devil fruit powers. After the war, if you read all of the translations (granted they are correct), Luffy is thought to be dead and the Strawhat pirates disbanded!!! Everyone keeps saying that in the past few chapters. So why bother giving a huge bounty to a dead person? The only reason his poster is still in circulation is b/c the WG do not have his body (remember, dead or alive). In addition, the WG knows Luffy's next step is the New World. The WG most likely knows what kind of adversaries and pirates are out there. 300 million was a huge bounty of the first half of the Grand Line. If you keep in mind that all the big time pirates are in the New World, the WG probably does not think that Luffy can measure up to them (especially because Luffy was consistently defeated by people during the war - Smoker, the Admirals, etc.), but because of all the trouble he's caused, they give him a 400 million raise up. Again, Luffy is at the entrance of the New World (and a 400 million bounty at this entrance is arguably equivalent to the 30 million bounty at the start of the Grand Line). To give Luffy a bounty any higher would be an insult to the pirates that already exist in the New World that are undoubtedly stronger than Luffy, and most likely pose a much higher threat level to them. Then again, this is the New World. We all know any pirate that we see now is strong. Thus, bounties shouldn't mean squat and as a result, there was no point to this argument to begin with. You go on and bold with this and with that, but Luffy had help all along. Luffy got a 30m bounty with the help of his crew and the people he met along the way, yet his crew didn't receive a bounty. In fact the only real reason he got that bounty isn't because of Don Crieg or any of those people, it was because of Arlong. The Nezumi guy is the one that ordered that he receive a bounty. So with the help of Nami's sister and that one pinwheel guy who saved him from drowning(along with his crew), he received a 30m bounty. And with the help of Robin and some people from Alabasta he was able to defeat a shichibukai. Remember that Robin saved his life the first time Luffy lost to Crocodile and the whole water thing from other people. And then finally Enies Lobby. Now then... with the help of Franky and Iceburg and their crews and the mermaid womana nd that little girl with her cat Luffy was able to get through all of that and receive his 300m bounty. My point is that Luffy get's help ALL THE TIME from other people. In fact it's pointed out that it's probably his most fearsome trait as a pirate. The "strength to move hearts" or some other junk like that. Your argument that he got help with other pirates is null because Luffy and his crew ALWAYS get help. The fact is that Luffy punched a tenryubito, supposedly the most important people in the world. He made fun of the government by shitting on their face multiple times and got away with it with a slap on the wrist 100m extra bounty. Now this does make sense here in some way... To give Luffy a bounty any higher would be an insult to the pirates that already exist in the New World that are undoubtedly stronger than Luffy, and most likely pose a much higher threat level to them. It makes sense that we don't want Luffy to have a higher bounty than some of the stronger pirates in the new world. BUT, it doesn't make sense that you speak as if bounty=strength. It's what Luffy has done so far that counts, not how strong he actually is. You could be the strongest pirate ever, but if you did nothing wrong I don't see giving him a high bounty. Now aside from maybe Dragon and the guy who saved the slaves from the tenryubito, Luffy is known throughout the world to have challenged the WG, tore down multiple establishments known to the world as landmarks and defeated several strong opponents. EVERY time Luffy get's into messes like this you hear someone say something like, "Nobody has ever done this!" or "It's impossible, it hasn't been done before!". And Luffy tore through all that. He stands ahead of even some of the people in the new world merely because he does things that nobody has ever done before and wouldn't dare to even try. Strength=/=Bounty, Actions=Bounty and Luffy acts on everything. He deserves more than a 100m bounty raise. It might be logical to keep his bounty low so he can be comparable to stronger people in the new world, but that's all bullshit. If that was to happen, they should have originally given people in the new world higher bounties, or kept them secret for the time being until Luffy got there. I just think it's gimping his progress. Or at least his bounty's progress. I know for sure, if his bounty jumps another 100 or 200m the next time instead of like going from 400m to 1b, I'll be pissed as hell. But yeah, like I said last time, they should have just kept him the same bounty until he did something else so they could just give him a higher bounty. 100m is nothing. |
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Oct 26, 2010 9:41 PM
#31
| talking of bounties in the new world, I can't seem to agree that all pirates in the other half as all high bounties/strong pirates just because they're in the new world....you have Brownbeard who was piss-weak, Lola and her crew who were born in the new world, and even Moria was claimed to have been on even footing with kaidou and look at how he fared against Luffy... ...anyways, if Luffy, Zoro and Sanji don't get a bounty raise after leaving Shabondy after clearly showing how strong they are as of ch.601 then I'm really going to lose faith in this whole bounty thing...as I mentioned in an earlier thread, I don't expect astronomical numbers, but what Luffy got really was chump change and a slap in the face |
Oct 27, 2010 7:17 AM
#32
MistaCloudStrife said: vindemon64 said: Because Luffy wasn't an established threat early on in the series! When Luffy beat up Arlong, Buggy and Don Krieg, the WG thought Luffy was an enemy, but not a strong one because he came from East blue (the weakest of the four seas) and defeated weak East blue enemies. Thus, with the acknowledgment of his arrival as a pirate but not a direct threat, the WG gave him a 30 mil bounty. Then he goes and defeats a Shichibukai. This is cause for concern. Luffy is becoming more of a threat to the WG, but Crocodile (if I remember correclty) was considered one of the weakest Shichibukai and was a problem child (more-so than the others). Thus, the WG bumped him up to 100 million...which is pretty big, but not yet on the level of a direct threat to the WG. Then came Enies Lobby, where Luffy literally proclaimed he was waging war on the WG by burning their flag (huge symbolic repercussions) and took down the impenetrable Enies Lobby all in the process of rescuing a most-wanted criminal in Nico Robin. This act was the first time the WG was hurt so directly. Not to mention the news is caused around the world. That's why they bumped his bounty via a huge raise to 300 million. Luffy was now a direct enemy of the WG. He dealt them a direct blow. Now we come to the entrance of the New World. Luffy is already among the highest of the Supernovas. Yes, he breaks into and out of Impel Down and raids Marineford, rescuing his brother. Keep in mind, the Impel Down was with Ivankov and Buggy (yes, Buggy didn't really do anything, but he was still officially recognized by the WG as being one of the breakout masterminds, thus, sharing the blame). In addition, he rescued Ace with the help of Whitebeard as his crew. Then Luffy goes unconscious and Blackbeard - possibly the biggest threat to the WG appears and steals Whitebeard's devil fruit powers. After the war, if you read all of the translations (granted they are correct), Luffy is thought to be dead and the Strawhat pirates disbanded!!! Everyone keeps saying that in the past few chapters. So why bother giving a huge bounty to a dead person? The only reason his poster is still in circulation is b/c the WG do not have his body (remember, dead or alive). In addition, the WG knows Luffy's next step is the New World. The WG most likely knows what kind of adversaries and pirates are out there. 300 million was a huge bounty of the first half of the Grand Line. If you keep in mind that all the big time pirates are in the New World, the WG probably does not think that Luffy can measure up to them (especially because Luffy was consistently defeated by people during the war - Smoker, the Admirals, etc.), but because of all the trouble he's caused, they give him a 400 million raise up. Again, Luffy is at the entrance of the New World (and a 400 million bounty at this entrance is arguably equivalent to the 30 million bounty at the start of the Grand Line). To give Luffy a bounty any higher would be an insult to the pirates that already exist in the New World that are undoubtedly stronger than Luffy, and most likely pose a much higher threat level to them. Then again, this is the New World. We all know any pirate that we see now is strong. Thus, bounties shouldn't mean squat and as a result, there was no point to this argument to begin with. You go on and bold with this and with that, but Luffy had help all along. Luffy got a 30m bounty with the help of his crew and the people he met along the way, yet his crew didn't receive a bounty. In fact the only real reason he got that bounty isn't because of Don Crieg or any of those people, it was because of Arlong. The Nezumi guy is the one that ordered that he receive a bounty. So with the help of Nami's sister and that one pinwheel guy who saved him from drowning(along with his crew), he received a 30m bounty. And with the help of Robin and some people from Alabasta he was able to defeat a shichibukai. Remember that Robin saved his life the first time Luffy lost to Crocodile and the whole water thing from other people. And then finally Enies Lobby. Now then... with the help of Franky and Iceburg and their crews and the mermaid womana nd that little girl with her cat Luffy was able to get through all of that and receive his 300m bounty. My point is that Luffy get's help ALL THE TIME from other people. In fact it's pointed out that it's probably his most fearsome trait as a pirate. The "strength to move hearts" or some other junk like that. Your argument that he got help with other pirates is null because Luffy and his crew ALWAYS get help. The fact is that Luffy punched a tenryubito, supposedly the most important people in the world. He made fun of the government by shitting on their face multiple times and got away with it with a slap on the wrist 100m extra bounty. Now this does make sense here in some way... To give Luffy a bounty any higher would be an insult to the pirates that already exist in the New World that are undoubtedly stronger than Luffy, and most likely pose a much higher threat level to them. It makes sense that we don't want Luffy to have a higher bounty than some of the stronger pirates in the new world. BUT, it doesn't make sense that you speak as if bounty=strength. It's what Luffy has done so far that counts, not how strong he actually is. You could be the strongest pirate ever, but if you did nothing wrong I don't see giving him a high bounty. Now aside from maybe Dragon and the guy who saved the slaves from the tenryubito, Luffy is known throughout the world to have challenged the WG, tore down multiple establishments known to the world as landmarks and defeated several strong opponents. EVERY time Luffy get's into messes like this you hear someone say something like, "Nobody has ever done this!" or "It's impossible, it hasn't been done before!". And Luffy tore through all that. He stands ahead of even some of the people in the new world merely because he does things that nobody has ever done before and wouldn't dare to even try. Strength=/=Bounty, Actions=Bounty and Luffy acts on everything. He deserves more than a 100m bounty raise. It might be logical to keep his bounty low so he can be comparable to stronger people in the new world, but that's all bullshit. If that was to happen, they should have originally given people in the new world higher bounties, or kept them secret for the time being until Luffy got there. I just think it's gimping his progress. Or at least his bounty's progress. I know for sure, if his bounty jumps another 100 or 200m the next time instead of like going from 400m to 1b, I'll be pissed as hell. But yeah, like I said last time, they should have just kept him the same bounty until he did something else so they could just give him a higher bounty. 100m is nothing. I beg to differ on the first half of what you said. Yes, we know that Luffy had help all along. But let's think about this. When he fought Arlong, Luffy was solely recognized by the WG as the main perpetrator that took him down. Go back and rewatch that final episode/read the final chapter after Luffy defeats Arlong. The crooked Marine officer that stole all of Nami's money said it himself - he put all of the blame on Luffy (only sending his picture). So of course Luffy is the only one who was going to get recognition there. Same thing with Crocodile. Yeah, Luffy had help from Robin after getting defeated by Crocodile the first time. But the Marines didn't know of that, now did they? No one was there to report that. After Luffy beat down Crocodile, Smoker had initially reported to the Marines that it was Luffy who did so, but the Marines hushed it up because they didn't want Luffy to get recognition from the world as someone who saved Alabasta, hence Smoker publicly getting the credit. Which is why he got the bump up (as well as Smoker reporting that Zoro beat Mr. 1. Again, this is something that can be confirmed by watching the post-Alabasta episodes/chapters again). Yes, Nami, Usopp, Chopper and Sanji helped defeat the other members, but only Luffy got the recognition from the WG, hence only his bounty being raised with the reasons I explained in my previous post. As for Enies Lobby, his entire crew was there and each one took down a CP9 member, right in front of the WG. The WG couldn't hush up the existence of the Strawhat pirates anymore since so many people had witnessed the CP9 defeat, hence they all receive bounties, but again, Luffy receiving the biggest jump because he defeated Lucci (who was thought to be the strongest Cipher Pol member in the history of the program). And you're putting words into my mouth. I never said that bounties = strength. I agree with that statement actually. It doesn't, at least not fully. In my opinion, bounties reflect both strength and level of threat that person poses to the WG. At this point, Luffy is already a known threat to the world. In the beginning, he wasn't. That's why they gave him huge raises in bounty then and not now. But because he is now an established threat, even if you go from 300 million to 400 million to whatever, it doesn't change the fact that he is still a major threat to the WG. And again, this is more of an opinion, but the WG thought he was dead. I would see no reason to give a huge bounty to a person who is perceived to be dead by the public. Sure, the top brass at the WG thought he was alive, but the public didn't need to know about it, did they? Like I said, we don't know what kind of pirates exist in the New World. But because they made it that far, they undoubtedly have to either be strong (to exist in that kind of sea - at least that is the impression we have been painted with by Oda) or being cunning enough to pose a threat to the WG. My opinion on why Luffy's bounty is just 400 million was explained above, and its just that, an opinion! I backed it up with facts from the manga and make interpretations. |
Oct 27, 2010 3:59 PM
#34
vindemon64 said: At this point, Luffy is already a known threat to the world. In the beginning, he wasn't. That's why they gave him huge raises in bounty then and not now. But because he is now an established threat, even if you go from 300 million to 400 million to whatever, it doesn't change the fact that he is still a major threat to the WG. I think that's the main point here. That's something I already said in the forum about the chapter, but bounties are not exponential. There is no point going "lol 1 billion !" for the government at all. (Especially considering they'll be in deep trouble to pay if that happens) To understand this "small" rise we should also understand that, on the one hand, there is what ACTUALLY happened, and on the other, there is what the governement WANT the people to believe. Luffy escaped from ID ? According to the governement, no, he did not. Allied himself with Boa ? I don't think most of the marines actually even realized it. Took part in the war ? Actually, a pretty minor role in terms of damage done. And everything happened offscreen anyway. So there isn't much left. Giving pirates a high bounty is a way to give them plenty of publicity, and precisely, the Marines DON'T want people to know what Luffy did. Also keep in mind that Luffy never directly endangered civilians like other pirates (Kidd, Krieg probably) did. |
Oct 27, 2010 5:13 PM
#35
| I guess I'm getting off the main point with Luffy's other fiasco at Impel and the Great War....the sole reason why I think Luffy should have at least had a greater bounty was purely for the tenryuubito.....it was heralded world wide that he had punched one out and these guys have enough money to pay any amount for his bounty just for solely acting on revenge.....and yet nothing. After making out that these guys are like the supremo's of supremo's in the OP world, all Luffy really got was a slap on the wrist. Whether he was dead or alive, considering the personalities of the 3 tenryuubito who were taken out at the auction hall I'm surprised nothing was really done |
Oct 27, 2010 8:13 PM
#36
| I think B400,000,000 is too low for all the actions he's taken in the past, but to me that only means that the bounty is gonna keep rising more occasionally from now on. |
Oct 28, 2010 7:09 AM
#37
Tchako said: So there isn't much left. Giving pirates a high bounty is a way to give them plenty of publicity, and precisely, the Marines DON'T want people to know what Luffy did. I agree that this might be why there isn't a higher bounty, but at the same time if it were a cover up(Like Moria's defeat at the hands of the Luffy) then why would they(the WG) allow the newspapers to report that Luffy had infiltrated the Marineford a second time? And like said, so much was put on how important the tenryubito were. I thought that alone would have him jump up to 400-500. |
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Oct 28, 2010 9:27 AM
#38
| ^yeah, but dude think again.. its half of story.. he will do more epic stuff in new world.. maybe he will beat an admiral to death in teh future you want for every shit to raise with 100 mil ? if so luffy's bounty at the end of the series will be over 900 mill which doesnt make sense.. and 100 mil is pretty much high bounty |
Oct 28, 2010 4:11 PM
#39
vindemon64 said: I beg to differ on the first half of what you said. Yes, we know that Luffy had help all along. But let's think about this. When he fought Arlong, Luffy was solely recognized by the WG as the main perpetrator that took him down. Go back and rewatch that final episode/read the final chapter after Luffy defeats Arlong. The crooked Marine officer that stole all of Nami's money said it himself - he put all of the blame on Luffy (only sending his picture). So of course Luffy is the only one who was going to get recognition there. Same thing with Crocodile. Yeah, Luffy had help from Robin after getting defeated by Crocodile the first time. But the Marines didn't know of that, now did they? No one was there to report that. After Luffy beat down Crocodile, Smoker had initially reported to the Marines that it was Luffy who did so, but the Marines hushed it up because they didn't want Luffy to get recognition from the world as someone who saved Alabasta, hence Smoker publicly getting the credit. Which is why he got the bump up (as well as Smoker reporting that Zoro beat Mr. 1. Again, this is something that can be confirmed by watching the post-Alabasta episodes/chapters again). Yes, Nami, Usopp, Chopper and Sanji helped defeat the other members, but only Luffy got the recognition from the WG, hence only his bounty being raised with the reasons I explained in my previous post. As for Enies Lobby, his entire crew was there and each one took down a CP9 member, right in front of the WG. The WG couldn't hush up the existence of the Strawhat pirates anymore since so many people had witnessed the CP9 defeat, hence they all receive bounties, but again, Luffy receiving the biggest jump because he defeated Lucci (who was thought to be the strongest Cipher Pol member in the history of the program). And you're putting words into my mouth. I never said that bounties = strength. I agree with that statement actually. It doesn't, at least not fully. In my opinion, bounties reflect both strength and level of threat that person poses to the WG. At this point, Luffy is already a known threat to the world. In the beginning, he wasn't. That's why they gave him huge raises in bounty then and not now. But because he is now an established threat, even if you go from 300 million to 400 million to whatever, it doesn't change the fact that he is still a major threat to the WG. And again, this is more of an opinion, but the WG thought he was dead. I would see no reason to give a huge bounty to a person who is perceived to be dead by the public. Sure, the top brass at the WG thought he was alive, but the public didn't need to know about it, did they? Like I said, we don't know what kind of pirates exist in the New World. But because they made it that far, they undoubtedly have to either be strong (to exist in that kind of sea - at least that is the impression we have been painted with by Oda) or being cunning enough to pose a threat to the WG. My opinion on why Luffy's bounty is just 400 million was explained above, and its just that, an opinion! I backed it up with facts from the manga and make interpretations. Something caught my eye here. Crocodile. It was covered up, wasn't it? I don't see why that can get covered up and Luffy get a double+ bounty raise and Luffy does even more than last time and get 100Beri raise. Yes yes, established threat. If he was already an established threat then you wouldn't even need to raise his bounty at all though.(Or raise it like 100,000 beri everytime he destroys a Marine HQ, lol) There's a purpose for bounties in this manga(I don't know about you, but I would get excited when I saw his bounty jump to incredible heights), and for the bounty rate to retard like this, it just makes the bounty system less exciting. Whoo!! 300+% raise!! Yeah!!! Another 300% raise!! Oh, okay... whoo? 33% raise?? >_> |
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Oct 28, 2010 5:22 PM
#40
smokes said: ^yeah, but dude think again.. its half of story.. he will do more epic stuff in new world.. maybe he will beat an admiral to death in teh future you want for every shit to raise with 100 mil ? if so luffy's bounty at the end of the series will be over 900 mill which doesnt make sense.. and 100 mil is pretty much high bounty Luffy beating a Admiral to death would be awesome( doesn't fit his personality though). lol You say every sh*t as if what he did in the past few arcs/sagas were small. He defeated a second Shichibukai, assualted a tenryuubito, broke in and out(while helping famous criminals escape) of Impel Down, and broke in to Marineford to save Ace(and if not for Ace's stupidity he might have succeeded). Dat be some serious sheet you. lol |
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Oct 28, 2010 5:37 PM
#41
| I guess its hard to swallow the punitive bounty Luffy received for feats which can astonish even the citizens of OP let alone the reader which led me to post this thread. Anyways....I'll put aside those questions to why Oda-sensei gave his main character that bounty, as I'm pretty sure answers will surface later down the track. Oda is a genius when it comes to storytelling and I have no reason to doubt why he did what he did(no matter how much we try to find reason)... now that I look at it, i guess I'm as guilty as the next person who may have looked at these bounties purely out of the thrill you get in shonen when it comes to power-level as the bounties did at times measure each person to their strength as well as their threat |
Oct 28, 2010 11:00 PM
#42
MistaCloudStrife said: Something caught my eye here. Crocodile. It was covered up, wasn't it? I don't see why that can get covered up and Luffy get a double+ bounty raise and Luffy does even more than last time and get 100Beri raise. Yes yes, established threat. If he was already an established threat then you wouldn't even need to raise his bounty at all though. Well, you can stretch it a bit, but the government could pin that on the fact that, since his last bounty 1) Luffy escaped Log Town / Smoker and 2) He escaped from the Marines at Alabasta. Plus, he had recruited Nico Robin and all, and was shown sympathy from Fire-Fist Ace. Hell, even the fact that he managed to go to the Grand Line, despite being from the weakest of the four seas is a proof that he has a good potential. If you manage to stay on there without having your ass handed to you (i.e Krieg), you probably deserve some kind of rise for your bounty. It doesn't seem like a total stretch for the government to do that, even "hiding" the fact that Luffy beat Crocodile. Now, I know the 100 mil berry looked huge to us, and to the guys in Jaya, but these are really C-listers or below. Fucking ROCKSTAR had a 95 million bounty, and is shown as a total rookie in comparison of WB and Shanks. So everything is subjective in the end. As for the last part of your post, I'll repeat myself : bounties are not exponential. They're not going to up it by 300% everytime, won't they ? 400 mil is already one of the biggest (if not the biggest, correct me if I'm wrong) bounties we know of, and so was his 300 mil one. |
Oct 28, 2010 11:51 PM
#43
| @Gunbladerwarior yes, but sooner or later he will do that. he'll kick Akainu's ass since he killed ace xD or else he wont be pirate king <P stuff about moria was covered up by WG so that doest matter but still he has the highest bounty of the series now.. we still dont know the other bounties of Shanks, etc.. so we cant do the comparison.. if Shanks has 500 then it makes sense.. but if he has like 900 or more than luffy's bounty doest not make sense.. (they will add the bounty now i think with the pacifista assault.. and sanji/zoro also. the others probably after fishman island ) |
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